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MaxInDHouse:
According to Jesus of Nazareth his disciples will be accused of Satanic teachings just like he was also accused:

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25
So we (JWs) aren't surprised that you and your cohorts whose beliefs contradicts are saying the same thing to us! Matthew 5:11-12


But they accused him of being Satanic not for miraculous works but his teachings shey? John 10:33
No wahala!

Yes, we are so accused. Over the years, the Catholic Church has persecuted Christians who showed them the light. That doesn't mean that real satanic teachings don't exist. A teaching that contradicts scripture is satanic. An organization that brings a new gospel contrary to what we've received is satanic. A group that hold the words of men in higher esteem than the word of God is satanic.

True Christians should have the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} that's what will help them to have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} so if you people don't agree on teachings and doctrines then in what way are you followers of the man who said his disciples will stand out as a different group with unique teachings? John 17:14-16
Ọmọ just relax and enjoy the company of your friends JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION is perfectly OK with our teachings and doctrines!

That isn't the yardstick for measuring true Christians. Even cults have the same lines of thought.

TimiRume:
Thanks. Beautifully said

I enjoyed the way you were rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

She shall be found in Jesus name.

MaxInDHouse:
The Jews know more about the scriptures than you if you stand before any of them quoting their books to justify the actions of Jesus of Nazareth they will just be laughing at you because they don't view him as a sane person! Mark 3:21; John 10:20

So the story is just repeating itself with the JWs having their unique teachings that's making all of you angry yet there's no two religions among you all having the same line of thought!

Satanic teachings that contradict scriptures are unique to you?


No one said He contradicted scriptures. Are you not ashamed of yourself to be defending contradiction by saying Jesus was accused of the sane? You couldn't bring any proof that Jesus was accused of such for God's sake and you still kept pushing this false narrative.

You don't know the meaning of that word "WE" because if you do you should think of how different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines can claim another religion with their own teachings is contradicting their teachings whereas all of them are contradicting one another!

My dear, we are Christians. We're not religionists!

MaxInDHouse:
If they CRITICIZE him while they are custodians of the same scriptures he is quoting ọmọ that's CONTRACTIONS!

They criticized Him for claiming to be the Son of God and the Messiah. Did the scriptures describe how the Messiah would like like?

Your organization is blatantly contradicting scriptures and you're here spewing all these balderdash to justify that action?

I'm referring to you and your cohorts with whom you're criticizing an organization of like-minded believers whereas you people don't believe the same thing just as Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis don't agree on the same line of thought yet all of them were criticizing Jesus and his disciples?

We're not a group. We're simply Christians. And what is JW doing better? Contradicting scriptures and claiming to be the only voice of God on earth while at it?

Baldwretch:
I have refrained from quoting the entire Hebrew passage you quoted. The origins of Jesus Christ is from the distinct past as I showed you from Daniel. Daniel saw Jesus. Even Daniel could not describe him, that is why he called him a son of man. And that is what the author of Hebrews is trying to tell the readers. I don't see how Jesus being greater than the angels means we are also greater than them. Jesus is from the everlasting past. Are we too? Jesus Has been in Heaven even before Daniel had this vision. Have we been in Heaven too? NO. But that is basically your argument.

You have to understand that Jesus is a resident of Heaven, one of Heaven's dwellers by the time Daniel sees his vision and way long before then. Like John puts it; In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

I am comparing Heaven dwellers and earth dwellers, not Heaven dwellers and Heaven dwellers or earth-bound Heaven dwellers and Heaven dwellers. You need to understand the difference.

I still stand by my stance. By virtue of many metrics, the least of Heaven dwellers cannot be compared with the most righteous man that has ever lived or will ever live.

Angels have been blameless in all their ways, running errands for God for aeons, upholding the divine laws and government, agreeable to the divine will. Holding court with His Majesty. This is not a trite matter. A creature of yesterday wants to also collect candy when his ogas have not collected. Oya collect na.

TimiRume is right my brother. The scriptures are very clear about the position of man with God and with the angels.

Man being made in the image of God is not talking about physical imagery. Infact we lost that imagery in Eden, Christ came to restore the image back to us. The image of God is in our Spirit and not in our physical bodies. That's why "anyone who is baptized into Christ has put on Christ." (Galatians 3:27). And this Christ whom we have put on is "the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of his person."(Hebrews 1:3). Hence we all who are of faith resemble Jesus and by implication, we resemble God.

Romans 8:29-30

"For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be COMFORMED to the IMAGE OF HIS SON...that He may be the firstborn among many brethren."

1 John 3:2 says: "We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is."

Now, the new testament saints are quite different from the old testament saints. We are on a higher pedestal because while they're born of women, we're born of the Spirit, and are the brethren of Christ. Christ sits on the right hand of majesty on high representing the
Church. Christ is our representative on the throne in Heaven. We are on earth as His Body. Christ's Body is not lower than angels. The Body sits on the same throne as the Head. The Head and the Body are one. Have you ever seen a living being whose head sits on a throne while his body sits elsewhere? We believers possess so much authority we are unaware of.

Now look at the following scriptures:

Ephesians 1:18

"...the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above ALL principality and power and might and dominion, AND EVERY NAME THAT IS NAMED, NOT ONLY IN THIS WORLD BUT IN THE WORLD TO COME. And He put all things under His feet, AND GAVE HIM TO BE HEAD OVER ALL THINGS TO THE CHURCH, WHICH IS HIS BODY, the fullness of Him who fills all in all".

2 Timothy 2:12

If we endure, We shall also reign with Him..."

The Greek word 'krino' translated 'judge' in 1Cor. 6:3 also means 'rule' and 'govern'. The context of the word in that verse is best translated 'rule' because angels don't sin, hence there's nothing to judge about them. Some Bible translations translated the word as 'rule'.

1Cor. 6:3, International Standard Version:

"You know that we will rule angels, not to mention things in this life, don't you."

It's clear that God would be the one to judge fallen angels. The books of Jude and Revelation make that clear. This verse is clearly telling us that we shall bear rule over holy angels. Hebrews 1:14 says they're sent to serve us.

MaxInDHouse:
Contradiction!

Why did you cut off what I said the criticized Him about? Now, show proof of contradiction going by what I told you they criticized Him about - for calling Himself the Son of God and the Messiah. You want to manipulate.y words the way you do the scriptures?

Please who are the so called WE?
And how are they performing better than JWs?

Who were you referring to when you said 'That's what you feel."?

Baldwretch:
Thanks for checking in.

Please, understand and let me quote another translation to ease your understanding

Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Question: Who are them that are born of women? Humans. The human race. You cannot have it said more clearer. If you read the verse that precedes verse 11, Jesus was praising John, asking the people what kind of man they went into the wilderness to see.

Question: Who is he that is least in the kingdom of heaven? Since the hierarchy and order of divine beings is not known to me or to any of us, we would not speculate. It could after all be one of the 24 elders, an angel, or another of Heaven's inhabitants, but it can never be a human. The comparison and contrast is quite clear. He is comparing the most righteous human and Heaven dwellers.



I never said it was a comparison of angels with men. It was a comparison of the entire human race and the least of Heaven's dwellers. God calls himself the Lord of Host or the Lord of Heavens armies for a reason. There are more beings than we are aware of in Heaven. Some of higher rank and some, not so high. The cherubs, the seraphs, the commanders of Heavens armies, angels, angels of his presence, the 24 elders and many more. The comparison is between the least ranked, least righteous of these Heaven dwellers and the best, the finest of earth's inhabitant that has ever lived. That verse is very clear.



Wow, nice perspective, but God's kingdom in us is not a literally kingdom. It is the Holy Spirit. God's spirit in us, but even in old times, the prophets, anointed kings, and righteous men had God's spirit and that was long before Jesus came.

Paxonel. This is what Christ was saying:

1. John the Baptist is greater than all that are born of women, but he is least in comparison to those who are born of the Spirit.

2. John the Baptist is greater than all Old Testament saints but he is least in comparison to New Testament saints.

According to scriptures, New Testament saints are co-heirs with Christ who shall reign with Him forever and ever. Infact the apostles were promised 12 thrones on which they'll sit while judging the 12 tribes of Israel. Remember that even John was an Israelite.

Emusan:
The same Jesus that was given scripture to read in the synagogue.

If the Jews believe that Jesus do contradict the scriptures, would they have given Him scripture to read in the first place?

Well, keep giving him the Bible study, the reason he keeps coming back to discuss here despite all his claims is because he always grab one or two things from those he always accuses as enemies of God.

Hmmmm.

MaxInDHouse:
If they don't then why are they criticizing him?

They criticized Him because they thought He wasn't the Son of God as He claimed.

You're yet to give me any scripture where they claimed He contradicted or destroyed scriptures.

Exactly what we feel you people are doing as we are fulfilling what the scriptures say but it's now our words against yours that's why you need to look critically into the matter instead of judging from one side!

We don't feel you do it. Rather we see you doing it by contradicting scriptures, making false prophecies about Christ's second coming and claiming some men you call GBs have authority to say things that could be held as truth against the Word of God.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ stop beating around the bush.

I have given you things he said that contradicts what the Jews believe that's why they never accepted him as a true prophet till today!

You didn't give me anything. You only quoted a scripture by Jesus Himself where He put His messages in right perspective before a presentation.

No one accused Jesus of contradicting or destroying scriptures. Jesus came to fulfil the scriptures. The JWs contradict scriptures from Old Testament to New Testament to establish a satanic gospel.

MaxInDHouse:
Use of English!

Ọmọ Contradicting or Destroying means the same thing to the Jews remember Jesus didn't carry their scriptures to destroy it rather he was saying things that's CONTRACTING what they all knew before him.

Bring a dictionary that says that.

Bring quotes from scriptures where Jesus was accused of destroying and contradicting.

MaxInDHouse:
You don't have to be biased on this try to calm down and think why Jesus said:

“Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill" Matthew 5:17

There are things the Jews believe that Jesus is against.

For instance all the prophets support fighting and killing their enemies {Deuteronomy 7:16; 1Samuel 15:3} but Jesus said they should love and pray for their own enemies! Luke 6:27-28

Adulterers should be stoned to death {Deuteronomy 22:23-24} but Jesus said only the sinless should stone sinners.

Israelites should get married and bear children but Jesus said whoever chooses to remain single should be allowed! Matthew 19:12

The prophets including John the baptist taught the Jews weekly ritual fasting but Jesus' disciples don't practice such!

God's word forbids eating blood {Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:14} but Jesus told his own disciples that they must drink his blood! John 6:

So don't try to argue what is plain you can only start defending what Jesus said and did but as for Jews who don't believe in him to them he was CONTRADICTING THE PROPHETS AND THE LAW!

Those are not the things they believed about Jesus. Jesus was saying that only to put His messages in right perspective.

Quote where anybody said He came to destroy the law. Mind you, destroying the law is different from contradicting the law. Show us where anyone said He contradicted the law. Contradiction is what you and your JW organization have been known for.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what he said nah but what about his own people did they agree with him?

No one said He contradicted scriptures. Quote where they said that. They only did not believe He was the promised Messiah. Don't bring manipulations into this please. Quote pure scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what millions of Jews in the first century till today are saying about Jesus of Nazareth so if you want to know the truth it's not by comparing the difference between what they say but looking critically at how God's word is undergoing fulfilment in your own time.

That's what helped Jesus' Jewish disciples if they stick to the teachings of the prophets in ancient times they will surely condemn Jesus of Nazareth too!

My friend, Jesus didn't contradict the scriptures in anyway. He fulfilled them.

MaxInDHouse:
How many people did God spoke to directly?

Ọmọ God's word has always been passed from mouth to mouth {Romans 10:15} that's why Jesus commanded his disciples to keep on passing the message! Matthew 28:19-20

What you're calling God's word came to you and i through humans so if you're speaking against humans who are passing messages to their fellow humans what is the assurance that you're not rejecting God's word?

So, you mean, some humans can therefore come and speak some supposed God's words today that are contrary to what God had spoken before?

This is pure deception. Have you observed that the Bible was written over thousands of years with God's words spoken through diverse individuals, and all of them speak in unity without any contradiction? If anyone comes today to speak contradictions, he's a false prophet.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is really amusing walahi talahi!

Why do love lying to your own soul?

Please are you saying oteneaaron now believe in your Jesus?

Ọmọ all what you're doing here is like stupidity to oteneaaron because he doesn't believe in your Jesus he's just using you.

But if you want to prove me wrong tell him to preach a little bit of what he now believes in your Jesus, walahi talahi i will become Born Again now now if oteneaaron preach Jesus to convince me!

What about the non highlighted?

MaxInDHouse:
https://www.nairaland.com/7006256/jesus-real-myth-challenge-maxindhouse



Let the Internet keep the record!

So, you don't believe that if any man be in Christ, old things are passed away?

If you hold the words of men in higher esteem than the Words of God, are you still not an unbeliever?

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted above is the reason why you're never going to be my own brother your hypocrisy stinks as you call an atheist who told you to your face that Jesus doesn't exist "a brother".

So why not direct your hypocritical wishes to oteneaaron at least he's your BROTHER in da lord, preach your born again doctrine to him first before disturbing your brain about someone like me!

I don't have any brother that says Jesus doesn't exist. "I have a brother who says I was once a JW, became an atheist, made my research, my eyes opened, and now I'm a child of God. Jesus dwells on my inside". Whatever he said in the past has passed away according to the scriptures. Everything has become new according to the scriptures. You don't value the scriptures. Your value is misplaced on the words of your GB. So, I perfectly understand why you wouldn't believe that "if anyone be in Christ, He is a new creature. Old things are passed away, and behold, everything has become new."

oteneaaron:
Hahahahaha

Don't feel sorry for him bro, you should be happy!

Here is why you should be happy -

The JWs on this forum like MaxInDHouse, Aemmyjah and Janosky are hiding under the cloak of anonymity to break a clear commandment from their Governing Body regarding "apostates" which states -

Watchtower 2004 Feb 15 p.28
"It would be a mistake to think that you need to listen to apostates or to read their writings to refute their arguments. Their twisted, poisonous reasoning can cause spiritual harm and can contaminate your faith like rapidly spreading gangrene. (2 Timothy 2:16, 17) Rather, imitate God's response to apostates. Job said of Jehovah: "Before him no apostate will come in." - Job 13:16."

These guys are clearly going against the instruction of their Governing Body and if they ever get exposed in the real world, they will be punished for this because the word of the Governing Body is LAW.

That is why you should be happy, rebelling against the clear commandments of the Governing Body is one of the first steps to becoming an "apostate".

They are on the right path and should be encouraged for disobeying the Governing Body - that shows that they are actually rebels and as time goes on, they will get bolder to do some research to defend their false teachings and in the course of that research, they continue to defy the Governing Body and eventually become full blown apostates.

They are not supposed to be here in the first place.

So don't feel sorry for them, instead applaud them for being hold enough to break the rules of the Governing Body - it's the first step on a long journey.

😂😂😂

CC: Achorladey, Emusan, Courz.

Nice one. Thanks for the clarification. As long as they remain here, they'll keep hearing the Truth until the Truth takes roots in their hearts.

oteneaaron:
What a perfect statement to showcase the conditional love Jehovah's Witnesses practice!

In JW language,

"remains faithful to Jehovah" = remains faithful to the Organization

Jehovah = The Organization

Always keep this fact in mind when dealing with a JW.

CC: Johnw47, FxMasterz.

Noted. The organization is their Jehovah.

oteneaaron:
Don't allow him gaslight you bro.

No one has a monopoly on Nairaland.

We must continue to expose evil no matter how much evildoers want such exposure to be hidden - evil thrives in darkness and ignorance.

If you see something that is wrong and you keep quiet, you are no different from the perpetrators themselves.

I repeat - do not allow anyone gaslight you.

Thanks brother. He wants us to look away whenever he spreads his dangerous nets to catch gullible souls.

MaxInDHouse:
Worshipers of the happy God {1Timothy 1:11} are always happy people that's why those that disengage themselves or those disengaged are always complaining due to grief! Isaiah 65:14

You've not asked yourself why they can't move on after leaving the so called Satanic group well it's because they're deceiving themselves only Jehovah's Witnesses are happy people globally that's why you're worried whenever i tell you that someone like me is not worshiping the same God with you because deep down in your heart you wish you and i should be brothers in faith!

Deep down in my heart, I wish you could become born again and learn to respect the Word of God and hold it in higher esteem than the words of men - your GB. I wish you could be honest enough with yourself to open your eyes and see the many contradictions I have shown you about your doctrines from the scriptures. Those contradictions and falsehoods which you could not refute. I'm baffled that you ignored all, decided to manipulate instead, and then continue in self-deceit. The latest of them is that the Scriptures say "We shall not all sleep." But you said "We shall all sleep", just because your GB said so. It is really pathetic. I wish you could become my brother in trusting the Word of God and holding it in reverential fear above the words of men.

MaxInDHouse:
Just say anything having to do with Jehovah's Witnesses attracts! Matthew 5:14-16

Does that make you happy? I'm glad you're happy.

MaxInDHouse:
I've told you several times that people on this forum aren't worshiping the same God except Jehovah's Witnesses that's why you all argue endlessly over doctrines you only agree when it's time to antagonize Jehovah's Witnesses.

So you're not invited to my thread now that you've known you and i aren't worshiping the same God.

Flash!
You can never ever find one single person with whom you will agree on terms and conditions of worship since you don't believe in GROUP and that's why you shouldn't expect me to agree with you on anything you cook up as beliefs the only way to make it work is when there's a GROUP practicing the same thing if not you're just deceiving yourself!

Just declare it that your god is not the Christian God and that your thread is meant only for JWs. I won't comment on it.

It's as simple as that. Without that declaration, you make your thread a public thread for everyone including me to comment on. By commenting on any thread here, I am only exercising my right to free speech. You can't take it away from me.

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achorladey:
How will someone read the account of Daniel and say this verse is talking about 1914 after that mental gymnastics of a calculation based on dates obtained from other sources outside of the Bible.

How will someone read the bible and say for +/-1900 years only 70 remained faithful to Jesus Christ every year and that Jesus didn't have time to gather those they call great crowd of other sheep until 1935

Where did they get all these dates and events from? They just like dates, dates and dates. Wetin 1900 and 1935 do them again?

MaxInDHouse:
You didn't mention but you kept commenting on my thread and making reference to me after we have part ways shey?
Ọmọ you can continue talking about me at least you know now that you and i aren't worshiping the same God so your comments about me is wasted because you are talking about a worshiper of another God!

All you need to do is to make this bolded declaration at the beginning of your threads.

achorladey:
Looool! He shouldn't be on this platform in the first place going by the instructions given to them by his GODS of men housed in USA.

He simply wants to get you off his back by saying their own God is different from others

He should ask the mods to create a section inside religion section like the one for Islam

Very good idea.

achorladey:
They do read it with the glasses and indoctrinated mind of their GODS of men housed in USA.

Succinctly said.

achorladey:
In the land of the Jehovah’s Witnesses there are anointed Christians and non anointed Christians


Only 144,000 are anointed Christians and Jesus brothers the reason they refer to them as sons of God any other person are friends and not referred to as sons

Don't these guys here read the Bible for themselves?

MaxInDHouse:
There are thousands of people on this forum that can see my thread it's either they read and drop their comments or leave me with my beliefs but you won't do that always begging me to accept your Jesus yet saying i belong to the devil. Must you comment on my thread?



Hypocrite!

Oteneaaron said your Jesus is a myth.

Courz said Jehovah is a demon.

OLAADEGBU keeps demeaning your pastor.

All of them you left only to continue following me up and down, what's the difference between you and the first century Judaists trailing Jesus and his disciples up and down because they're calling on the name of the same God and quoting the same scriptures?

If Olukoya, Adeboye, Kumuyi, Oyedepo, Oyakilome, Oritsejafor and so on all never agreed on the same line of thought regarding their Jesus why must i agree with you on the same Jesus?

My dear, you were the one who mentioned me. I didn't mention you. You came telling me that I'm scared to mention you. That was where we started from.

If you make the said declaration without pretending to be serving the same God we serve, I'll leave you alone.