Mazi Ogbonnaya Mark Okoro debating Reno and If I may recall correctly.....Mazi Okoro should know that history is personal and tact.
Without doubt Reno will flaw this guy beyond repair.....and this reason is simple Reno is using the history around his Itshekiri/Bini group as his root argument.
History is connecting and if you can't connect you remain defeated and until someone around the geography nearer to Itshekiri/binis comes up to debunk Reno first with facts then Mazi Okoro is on a useless mission.
Else let the Mazi Okoro start his response from same zone Reno is using as his premises before connecting wilder igbos....
Chinua Achebe is always right.
Reno can never ever beat Mazi Ogbonna. It's a Never.
For starters, the tribal marked wounded man that reno uploaded as his only evidence is Yoruba
BSsniffer: Why didn't ipob know this when they were busy hailing him. Now the honeymoon has ended Reno is now inconsistent and an Igbo hater. The igbos have their good side but also have their bad sides, a man who has been showing solidarity for the biafran cause and having good things to say about the igbos all of a sudden is an igbo hater simply because he shared a piece of past history. Says alot about the igbos.
That u say nice things about IGBOs doesnt mean u love them
Newton85: This is very ironic, coming from an Eboe whose people are the greatest culprits when it comes to misrepresenting other people's history. So, wetin Reno (your number one hailer) write fit pain you people like this? You Eboes are the most insecure, easily-triggered, utterly fragile humans in Nigeria. Say small thing they don't like and they start wailing endlessly like toy-deprived spoilt brats!
List those IGBO claims about other peoples history.
BSsniffer: I've discovered that lots of igbos love to bullshit themselves alot reason they are nigeria's greatest history revisionists as embodied by Azikiwe and Achebe. Having a logical argument with them would only reduce one's IQ. Still doesn't change the fact that Reno is right about igbos once being bini slaves.
For starters the man in the bronze image that he uploaded is a Yoruba marlin bearing Yoruba tribal Mark's, And not ichi rinal Mark's which IGBOs had back den
Renos lies have been debunked, itsekirir never kept IGBOs as slaves.
Slave trade in IGBO land was totally controlled by Aro people resident in Abia state today.
Bini mainly sold yourba, urhobo, Isoko, itsekrir as slaves and it was conducted thru modern day Warri.
When Reno was massaging their small balls and big egos they were full of praises of reno.
Now that he's giving them a little history lesson on how they were once slaves Reno has now turned to an igbo hater.
A tribe of egotistical money worshipping humans who can't handle criticism or opposite arguments. High level group narcissism and marginalization complex. What's paining them is the thought that they were once slaves to the "commo" bini.. opening threads upon threads to treat their wounded ego. Lol, from ffk to Reno.....
Be quiet Sir.
That I like u because of ur truthfulness does not mean that I won't slam u to the ground wen u start lying.
RedboneSmith: It's sad that the Igbo individuals who are replying Omokri are the ones who don't know history, and thus are unable to do a clean job of tackling some of the inaccuracies in what Omokri said. Maazi Ogbonnaya here apparently doesn't know the history well enough to take up this task. When he said Itsekiris were not in the slave trade picture it became clear that he himself doesn't know much about the subject.
The Igbo clan and language have turn to ****. Laughable
Na people wey dey rate this guy Reno o I no rate am at all. Even when he was abusing Buhari, even though I hate buhari, I wasn’t comfortable with Reno doing the hating for me. Na politician him be, his first loyalty is to attention seeking and pocket.
If the lies of today are not challenged, it will become the truth tomorrow
Olu317: So, Itsekiri or Ijekiri enslaved Yorubas ? This is not actually true. Perhaps, shed more light on the particular clan of Yorubas, you referred.
Yoruba slaves was sold thru Itsekiri ports...It was bini that sold yorubas to slavery thru Itsekiri lands. Itsekrir is too small to raid Yoruba villages. Itsekiri population past and present are still 1% of Yoruba population
jerseyboy: Freed Igbo slaves all returned to the South East. There are no Igbo slaves in the South South. Only Igbos still have Osus as slaves till today. Slavery is an intricate part of being Igbo.
The people sold are now in the Americas they are not Ika or any such nonsense
There is no doubt Igbos were sold by those who controlled the coast
Reference DOT IN A CIRCLE Did Igbos deal directly with Europeans ? NO
They were in the centre of the circle and only those on the edge did
So those who did the selling must have been those who controlled the coast
The Itsekiri, Ijaw, Efik
It is as simple as that no need to long it
The Benin were more evolved and civilized it is as simple as that
The Aro people controlled slavery in IGBO land and ab overwhelming most of the IGBO slaves sold to the europeans was thru Opobo, Ijaw, Bonny, calabar....
Jaja of Opobo was a palm oil trader and also a slave trader, he bought n sold slaves big time and later clashed with Europeans because he prevented them from controlling the slave and palm oil markets.
Rivers state till tomorrow is IGBO land and many slaves were sold from there too. The slaves sold thru Itsekrir ports were Bini, Itsekiri, Yorba, Isoko and Urhobo slaves.
DuwaRepublic: Jaja of Opobo was an igbo slave to a minority ethnic group. If you watched the roots, it was the minority ethnic people along with white people that went into the hinterland where Igbos lived to capture slaves. This is common knowledge, all you have to do is google search, and start reading history.
U dont make anything about history.
There was no point in human history when Jaja was a slave to any nigerian majority or minority tribe.
Kundagarten: Reno proved what he was saying is right by showing a video by Sir David Attenborough. Seems Igbo hate anyone from the SS who dares say anything contrary to what ipob believes.
Juliusmalema: Yes because the bulk of people engaging Reno are not the right people to engage him.
When someone talks about you it is left for you to clear your name and not someone doing that for you.
If you can't refute such histories then it is obvious they were slaves
Simple as ABC
The bini bronze video reno uploaded is actually a Yoruba person and not IGBO. Igbos have ichi tribal mark and it is quite different from Yoruba tribal mark or any other tribal mark in Nigeria.
Juliusmalema: Why are Igbos bothered that Reno said bini or Itshekiri sold them as Slaves
I don't see any reason why I should be bothered about that statement and that's the reason I keep ignoring the topic.
If the igbos that are busy attacking reno left, right and center do reason well and have a good sense of history one would know that the people Reno was referring Clearly were to were those who said they are not Igbos (Ikas, ukwanis and ndokwa), which Reno now tagged them as Igbos. These are vast communities that are nearer to itshekiris, binis and the rest.
So the bulk of defence should be on them clearing their names of Reno fables and not even someone in east stressing themselves.
Fortunately you will see people from these places laughing because Reno said Igbos forgetting that they are the ones they are talking about.
If itshekiris or binis are raiders which I doubt how can they successfully raid communities like Nnewi, obosi, Oba or others across Niger.
It certain people don't know Reno was directly talking to them but you will even see most of them laughing because in their mind Reno saying Igbos means east.....very pathetic.
They are the ones that should be at the forefront of the defence not me.
I don't care....... because the right people to refute Reno are laughing because Reno used Igbo as context......Some even joined Reno to prove him right because they taught his use of Igbo means the other side..........and I saw someone doing exactly this and I just laughed
Wisdom Wisdom
Any falsehood spewed by any Nigerian about d IGBOs must be debunked...If not the lies of today will become the truths of tomorrow.
Anyway Renos trashy slave shii has already been debunked with clear evidence
maryjames9: Based on precedences, if Oyedepo were to be the President of Nigeria, unemployment rate in this country will be the least in the world. Corruption will be a thing of the past. Insecurity will be banished into oblivion. Nigeria will be setting paces in Science, Technology..
Yet mumu Pastors would be remitting huge some in tithes and offerings to zonal headquarters Account...
This mumu Pastors anchor atleast 5 programs weekly some do counseling, night vigil , guest lecture , wedding ceremony, naming ceremony, public evangelism and house calls
Anyways Oyedepo didn't force anybody, they read the contract and terms of agreement and gladly signed
ChiefSosa: #38,000 in a month! Yet, they'll still pay tithes, offerings, etc How much money will then be left for them to take care of themselves and families? I never knew pastors were meant to collect salaries, I thought they were doing the Lord's work? You no suppose collect salary, yet dem still sack you. Will Oyedepo be happy or quiet if he was getting #38K per month?? Or is Oyedepo a_PIMP?
This salary structure is the reason why many pastors steal church money.
18wheeler: During a discussion in church some years back, someone presented two scenarios and asked whether tithe is applied appropriately.
One: a trader that buys goods from Lagos for resell in Jos. At the end of month he pays tithe out of the profits he made from sales of that month because that's his income. In arriving at the profit he would have deducted all his expenses incurred like transport, feeding & accommodation while in Lagos, shop rent, staff salary etc in the course of his business. Then he pays tithe out of what is left.
Two: a government worker who receives salary monthly is expected to pay tithe on the whole amount received. Should he not also deduct his daily transport cost, cost of lunch at least which he takes during work, and all other expenses he incurs in the course of his work and pay his tithe from what is left of his salary?
An argument ensued which remained inconclusive till we departed. Even the priests present at the discussion could not provide clear, convincing answers. It was a catholic forum BTW.
Learn the truth about tithing here
Read deuteronomy 26 vs 12.
Read deuteronomy 14 vs 28.
Read numbers 18 vs 23 - 26.
Avoid malachi 3 vs 8 - 10, It is an instruction to priests who do not pay their tithes as see in numbers 23 - 26.
solomonsly11: Is that what bible tells you, if you don't want to pay it hold it with you and if you really want to help go ahead and help don't say you used your tithe to help someone in need because there won't be any reward or blessing for doing that. You are listening to Daddy Freez someone that is reading Bible as if is reading novel
Oga Solomon, U no de read bible?
Read deuteronomy 26 vs 12.
Read deuteronomy 14 vs 28.
Read numbers 18 vs 23 - 26.
Avoid malachi 3 vs 8 - 10, It is an instruction to priests who do not pay their tithes as see in numbers 23 - 26.
Tobechuckwu: U don't know what u talking about by saying tithe is a sin in d new covenant. Jesus said he didn't come to condemned d old covenant. Are you saying God the father that gave them d commandments of tithing, then His son Jesus will come nd make d words of His father a sin. I don't know which pastor teaches u all this nonsense about the word of God.
God is not a man that he should lie... It's impossible for God to lie.
Are you saying Jesus Christ is calling God is liar?
U are totally ignorance of the word of God
Read n learn
Read deuteronomy 26 vs 12.
Read deuteronomy 14 vs 28.
Read numbers 18 vs 23 - 26.
Avoid malachi 3 vs 8 - 10, It is an instruction to priests who do not pay their tithes as see in numbers 23 - 26.
Mystery9: You are free to give the poor or needy ones whatever you want. But Tithe the 10% is meant for the church. Why is this tin so hard to understand.
Why do u guys hate the truth? Are u a pastor?
Read deuteronomy 26 vs 12.
Read deuteronomy 14 vs 28.
Read numbers 18 vs 23 - 26.
Avoid malachi 3 vs 8 - 10, It is an instruction to priests who do not pay their tithes as see in numbers 23 - 26.