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I suggest the consular and the high commissioner should be flogged 24 strokes of the cane each and should be televise. Protesting or burning the place down will mean nothing to them at all, they are not going to pay for the damages themselves. But flogging them will really go a long way to sound warning to other embassies around the whole world. Embassy in Holland is good though, they are honest here.

Make we leave that thing!!!!

I even heard the Dead wife was also busy with thesame Kerewawa with some younger guys. If the man was also doing the same should not be a big surprise.

I would seriously love it if am sued for this.

@ING: This story is no longer themsay as usuall is all over the news. Have you ever thought about this scenario at all ? or has this kind of a thing happen to anybody in your family or neighbor ? or are you looking for more prove because the said man is your pastor?

Be wise and stop asking foolish questions that will not profit you. Look i am not afraid to say it again and again. THEY HAVE LONG BEING DOING KEREWAWA until this happen.

People this is my analyses: God is simply exposing some group of people here. Any baby born into this world is a big miracle ( am a father of three) Odukoya lied and deceived his friends ( Adeboye and co) Odukoya and his (now) wife have been doing Kerewawa long before the wife died in plane crash. The baby is a nine months old baby, his explanation is rubbish maybe he thinks he is talking to his congregation who would beleive any rush. How come he was able to deceive the marriage committee and also the man of ? that join them together? If they do have the spirit of God why didn't they know it and take the proper action as they do to the rest of the congregation? but they took side because he is one of them. Can any one deceive God ? or Jesus ? or any of the prophets ? ( Gehaze took bribe the man of God knew it and rebuked him) why are these so called GOC doing the opposite ?

Why are we this hypocrite ? This is a simple mathematics no abracadabra here. The baby is a confirmed nine months old baby, but given birth after 7 months of parents wedding, this is not difficult to digest.

This (now couple) have been doing kerewawa long before the wife died in plane crash. what we are seeing now is just a fruit of what have being going on, the lady did not realised that she was pregnant and pregnancy test was not done on her because the marriage committee judge them faithfull ( that is man judgement).

This issue is an eye opener to all believers, instead of us to reason this story the way God want us to see it we rather took side because he is a pastor.

This is to tell you that all these GOC's do not have the spirit of GOD. Lets ask ourselves these question. Will any body deceive somebody like Elisha, Elijah, Jeremiah, Isaiah or Moses ?

How do I get a copy of this book? I live in Holland, any possibility?

@Joagbaja

Your translation of the Bible is ambiguous, Could you use the general translation and do away with that Rhapsody of reality Bible waterdone by Chris?

@Post

Repositioning Churches is achievable else where in the world, but certainly not in Nigeria and America. Let see churches the way these Peddlers sees it then we will have a Clare cut of the possibility of repositioning. Any one that made mention of that openly will be a great enemy with these guys that called themselves GOC. This suggestion is powerfull enough to through Nigeria into a state of pandemonium. These guys have grown to be Mafia godfathers having supposed believers as their boys that can carry out anything as they wish. Brethren, lets hand them over to God for quick judgment that will help more than bringing churches together like the days of old.

This Joagbaje self. If anybody working in the church should not expect any pay, how come the pastor and some inner caucus members in the church and having it cool with tithe, offerings and specially donations ?

Similar thing happened to a Ghana couple living in gemany, their case was even different. they had twins one was absolutely black and the other was absolutely blond and white but not Albino. This baby in this picture is not a mixed blood baby, so the thought of wether madam cheat is ruled out. I think this has More to do with the genetics of either of the parents.

I know i will be massively attacked of this thread. But why is it that other pastors of Christ embassy are not into this miracle thing except Pastor Chris? I have been worshiping in Christ embassy in one of the branches in Holland, it suddenly done on me that these other sub pastors of the church do not talk much on those things like healing the sick, the usuall wheel chair thing ( we have two of them in our branch) one in the choir even. But i know they are very good in fund raising and the show thing, but why are they avoiding the usuall miracle thing they are known for ? or is it maybe they do not have enough human resources to stage play the miracles? ( one thing i know is that such drama will never be successfully in Holland except if it is genuine one from God Himself and not the one manufactured by men)

Can you guys around Europe confirm this or is it different with you guys out there?

Attack and contribution is highly welcome.

Signed by: Ganja Seed

I strongly believe and ready to support Mr. John of his findings. I am a Christ Embassy member till date. I have seen a lot of things that are not supposed to be, not even in the house of God.

This guy needs explanation about " take it and they will fall down" well, what are they actually taking from P Chris? We know how to get filled with the Holly spirit, the procedure is standard ( Repentance and accepting Jesus as Lord and saviour then one is save, any saved person has the Holly spirit) one cant be saved and still don't have the spirit of God. I have heard some pastors using that word, I will wonder what they are giving that one should take or must take. Remember YOU CAN NOT GIVE WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE !!!!!!!! Depend on what they are giving out. So those takers be carefull what you take from preachers as many are fake.

@ Poster

Clean up your heart concerning this lies you may have been told by your pastor. There is no where in the bible where it is stated that ones blessing is tied to paying of tithe nor sufficiency is based on your tithe. If Jesus was made poor so that we can be made rich in Him, how does tithing hold ground there? If the bible said " Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and every other thing shall be added unto you" this is not talking about tithing. If the " blessings of God makes one rich and added no sorrow to it" how does that talk about tithing? God is not a money doubler. If tithing was a prerequisite to richness then the poor will still remain poor while the rich who can give much will keep getting rich. God is not a man HE IS GOD. Try to understand that.

I have been to white churches in Holland no one ever say anything about tithting you will only hear that from America and Nigeria Pastors. Barawo people!!!!.

They need to maintain their Jet now so more emphasis will be give to that direction.

I rather have another opinion why people keep moving from one church to another. Only few of them are actually searching for the truth, but funny enough they have the truth in their hand "The BIBLE". Bellow you will fine some points why people keep exiting and coming in to churches.

1. Looking for miracle
2. Wanna belong to the happening church (example: so many of this kind of people are CEC)
3. Not getting recognition ( they move to be recognise in the new church)
4. Looking for freedom of worship (Like deeperlife where you can not dance and sing praises to God as a happy fellow)
5. Too much of Taxation from the the pulpit ( this very point is the most irritating one of them all)
6. misunderstanding among brethren.

@Africankel:

You have spoken well my brother, I respect your contribution, this is how a true believer should approach issues like this. once again thank you and God bless you too.

@nuclearboy

I heard these words with my own ears, its not them say thing. I was very uncomfortable with it and I talked about it with my wife and we did a research of the Bible together and she was also surprised at the illustrations of the Pastor. They usually begone with a very fantastic topic but before long you will already know where he is aiming at. Babes of the word of GOD will never figure out this things am telling you that is why a lot of them do not see the deception.

People, this is part of what I have been trying to pass across to fellow CEC members, Most members has little knowledge of the Bible but rather prefare Rhapsody of reality written by Chris and sweet talks of encouragement they hear from the pulpit, they never care to verify if what they heard is like that from the Holly Scripture. You can also see that here on nairaland forum, when you say anything about CEC church or Pastor Chris they will Begin to rain abuse on you even worse than a non christian (by their fruits we shall know them)

" One of the pastors of CEC in Holland was trying to convince the people to give towards the new building project in Lagos, preached a message concerning Lazarus" His statement was that Jesus was moved to raise Lazarus from the dead because the sister of Lazarus gave a very expensive perfum and anointed Jesus, that Jesus has no other option than to move with compassion and brought Lazarus their brother back to life. So, when you give to the Lord, the Lord will heal and restor you.

People, was this the reason Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead? ( You needed to see how members jumped up and shouted hallelujah!!!!!!!) Then i realised that not too many of them even know the story of Lazarus nor see the deceptive tactics there, just to make people give. hm

This guy did not say kparakpoism. it is PARAPOISM he is not the first to use the word perharps some of you guys are hearing it for the first time. But the guy is incommunicado anyway.

@Joagbaje

See am not saying leave the CEC church as it is your own local worship place. CEC is still my local church at the moment, but that does not mean i should just follow with the crowd even when they are heading down to the pit of hell with a speed of more than 130KM per hour i should also maintain that same velorcity with them. Remember salvation is a personal affair, I vow never to defend any church or any GOC but I will do all I can to uphold the truth of the world of GOD.

@Africankel
@osaxx
@joagbaje

@Osaxx: I am a believer a true follower of christ, popularly called christain. if i had name myself MONSTER SEED would that have made you judge me a christian? Is the wealth of BILL GATE and the rest based on politics too? Please do not say anything about illiteracy, i wrote what you read by myself and I do not need to tell you about my proffession by the grace of God i have one.

@ogajim
You are right my brother people like pastor joagbaje might be those having their little gathering anticipating to get rich with peoples wealth at all cost. I can say this to any GOC face to face, "they have no need of a private Jet" Having a private Jet is indeed not a sin but for a church that does not manufacture anything for commercial purpose but lied to the government that they are non profitable organisation but have more money than legitimate businesses in the country. Can anybody tell me where the source of the money used in purchasing these things came from ? Surely from tithe, offering and donations, if this money is diverted to purchase a private Jet, are they doing the right thing like that ? what happen to the fatherless, the widows and the less privilege in their midst ?

Nigerians are very brilliant people we love education, but not many can afford it, but we have churches in the country with a private Universities all over the place how many of their members who even contributed money to the building of that university are students there ? can they afford the fees? Yet we clap our hands to hail these GOC's and some even respect their philosophical deceptive words and ready to hang their neck for GOC's.

The Bible says " The blessing of God maketh rich and added no sorrow to it" Private Jet for these churches is not a blessing from God because we have already seen the sorrow which is being attached to it (maintenance, fueling, crew members, landing and taking off fees, insurance and TAX) If you put all these money together per month it will surprise you how foolishly they have been busy fulfilling their selfish purpose and not the purpose of God.

@Joagbaje. I still worship at CEC here in Holland, I have seen a lot of things that makes me shake my head and say indeed Jesus will bounce so many pastors and followers like you back on the last day. The message of CEC looks ok and sound when you hear it, but if you really follow it up you can almost tell where he is going to end up the message, its all about bring money and God will bless you. Every little project is CEC the members will be ask to contribute money to carry out that project, but what happened to the Big business empire Chris is running in the name of the church ? is there no profit ? who owns that profit? where does the profit goes to? The money raised from rhapsody alone is enough to print copies for distribution for another 3 to 4 years without having to bug anyone for more contributions. Look these guys are running a profitable organisations agree with me or not.

The Roman Catholic can afford to buy 10 jets at once if they so wish to do so, because they have more than enough for such waste spending. There are villages in Nigeria that have not heard the Gospel why these pastors are not going there to establish a church or use that money to create awareness of our Lord Jesus Christ? Pastor Chris will soon announce his own Jet watch out!

Africankel:
We have heard these things before, they aint new While you keep talking, we keep getting greater results

What result are you getting that other people that just believe God are not getting ? Is the result of your service up to one third of Dangote? Does Dagote pay tithe and give to Rhapsody of reality? yet God blessed the works of his hands. Is the charactar of Chris Oyakhilomen and the rest of Nigerian GOC's like those of the foundation supper stars of the gospel? Judge for yourselves.

If churches like Christ embassy can operate a bank why not having ATM machine in the church close by the alter with a special usher to monitor who is actually crediting the church account and who is not. People we have not seen nothing yet, it will still get worse than this, don't forget about what the bible said about the gospel peddlers. Maybe this churches has a VPN connection to heaven where the angels of the Lord account for this funds.

I play drums. Currently playing with a reggae band in my city (Deventer in Holland) not very good with rhythm guitar though but can play the normal cords.

I dont think we should burder about this for too long. Buying a jet is not the issue, My question is, how long are they able to maintain the jet? The cost to maintain the jet in a month is enough to buy 15 people ticket (return) to Europe, that is what one single man will spend from the church pocket because according to him he is going to where ever to preach. Think well people, God has not directed this guys to acquire these jets. it is strictly from their heart.

hahahahaha Nigerians! why are we disturbing ourselves over these things? There has never been any credible election in Nigeria, i wonder what different this will make if IBB and Oshomole or what ever they call him take over the Mattel of leadership. Look people anybody can come up and rule that country, infact the president already know himself and he is practicing to to rule in the usual way of his predecessor, so keep your peace people.

I believe it is the responsibility of every Christan's to uphold the word of God in truth and not misusing it for selfish purpose. This is what we have seen in so many gathering these days. Pastors are seen as the VICAR of GOD meanwhile we are all thesame in the sight if God, that's why people are been misled with their pastors says and preach. But the bible warns us that "if any man nor angel nor any other come with another message apart from what we have received we should not accept it" its a pity that not too many people know their left nor right as a believer "My people perish for lack of knowledge"

My question now is: Should we believe the Bible as it is or we should we rather believe these corrupt people calling theselves men God?

Did he categorically mentioned Polish president and the flag or it was just a general utterance? If the name of the country was not mentioned and the colour of the flag was not described, then this guy is using a familiar spirit and he is fake. Any mentalist can do that without stress.

I hope the mabell mentioned here is not the same mabell advertising Rhapsody on NL? if she is, now you know why the thing be too dey sweet am.