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Odunharry:
Lmao.. nothing dey sweet me pass for this thread like " U no know ball "

Na Elampiro start am o...

Higuain has become the 2nd most expensive player of all time. He'll be 29 by december.

The Pogba deal is as good as done, i believe. I have made peace with the fee, and i hope others can do same.

dmcdad:
I ain't one of em calling for his head. It's just not fair, you know... I believe his true test will be this season and I hope he comes to life and match his old self. It's not easy sometimes. Atletico's philosophy is a stack opposite of ours, hence his struggles.

Like Lucho, I believe he should be given this season to prove his worth to us.

sebod:
it's not everyone that actually wants him sold. That's my opinion about him some weeks back.

Alright, fair enough. I honestly do not believe he'll make it.

funlord:
After watching the _stupid defending that went on in that our game yesterday I only have 1 question!



What is the point of "phil jones" abeg?


And why does the club insist on keeping him around? Does he have nude pictures of the board members doing the nasty or what?



And what sort of _stupid peroxide hair colour is that on his skull?



We need to be rid of this guy once and for all! Nonsense......................

If he wasn't English, we would've gotten rid of him a long time ago.

Diademk07:
What do you want me to say?
You think Pogba is the best we can get right now because the better ones aint available but I'm still of the opinion that a readily available Oliver Torres even with his little experience, has more potential and offers what our team needs at the moment than Pogba.
O. Torres only needs a platform to showcase his talent and horn his skills, just the way Psg offered a platform for Verratti regardless of his little experience and today, he's the best young midfielder out there. And it's not as if Torres has no experience at all, he was Porto's best midfielder while he was on loan at the club. If he had been Porto's player, he would have been set with a ridiculous buyout clause by now and could have even gone to City already.
Pogba on the other hand, is a luxury player who could only fit into an already well oiled team. He's not even as good as Yaya who's physically a beast yet with all his physical attributes, he was always found wanting in the CL. This at least tells us that physical attribute isn't the be all. For all Pogba's huge physique, menacing black colour and similar playing style to Yaya's, he's no beast like Yaya nor a deeplying playmaker.

Stop saying nonsense. I asked for alternatives or players currently better than Pogba and now you're mentioning players with potential like Oliver Torres. He just needs a platform to horn his skills bla bla bla....

That wasn't what I asked for. I said earlier that there are none but you were doubting me.

Most of you guys against Pogba signing like Dadehmola simply don't have much to say.

diadem07, how far the replies regard Pogba?

Dadehmola:
you are the one who needs to read the excerpts i posted from Mourihno's interview and explain how we would get the best outta Pogba (with our current setup)

As regards Mata, I fail to grasp the role of the little fella ( Probably as a backup "Hole-man" or an inverted winger" ) in relation to Pogba's best Role in a formation we arent likely to play ( based on the obvious inferences one can draw from the manager's quotes thus far)

Btw, this was what our manager had to say about Mata....



if you want to compare the above statement to what he said about Rooney, you are on your own.

Instead of you to just admit to the fact that you have given us another important reason not to sign Pogba, you are grasping at straws.

You failed to prove that Rooney would always play as 10 (he's also a 9) and you've also failed to prove Rooney must always start. You've proved absolutely nothing!

Listen to yourself again; So you think Mourinho playing Rooney as a 10 is a reason not to sign Pogba? It's embarrassing to claim to that, and i stand by that.

bykebyke:
I know,my point is if the coach still believed in him to come good,we the fans should believe in him too.

Bro personally, do you still believe in him? Don't you want him sold to raise cash for Barcelona to sign other players you've been linked with?

Diademk07:
Gundogan is not their most important midfielder but he's one of their key player. Him, Kagawa and Pea were their best player at the start of last season when Dortmund were steamrolling every opposition and scoring gallons of goal.
Even against Liverpool when the likes of Kagawa and Reus were on song, it was the weakness of Castro in the midfield that got Liverpool back into the game. Many were clamouring for Gundogan but he was unfit.

How can a player who is rarely fit be a key player? A player that a side can do easily without? You obviously do not know the meaning of key player. I won't waste anymore time on this.

I'm still expecting your reply to my previous post regards Pogba.

bykebyke:
This was Enrique's response when asked about him yesterday.

Luis Enrique: "Arda? I remember Laudrup's first year, Suárez's first months...The first year is difficult here."

He has been given another chance.

Good/fair move by Enrique if true. That wasn't exactly the issue i brought up though. It was about Barcelona folks wanting to see the back of him.

Dadehmola:
Bros - I ask again for the umpteenth time... how are we gonna get the best outta our potential 100m signing if he functions best in a 4-3-3 (and Pogba, Rooney,Ibra & Miki are expected to feature predominantly in our 1st 11)?

Why did you delete a part of my post?

Read this again, and tell me if again if i was wrong.

Mourinho hasn't explicitly stated that Rooney would play as a 10 and must always start as far as i know . Mourinho also stated Mata has a place; make of that what you will.

Diademk07:
The funny thing is our midfield is getting dominated by a team which has lost 3 key players including a classy midfielder in Gundogan while their most important midfielder, if not their most important player, Weigl isn't even playing in the team.
Even though, I wasn't expect us to steam roll Dortmund but I didn't expect this.

Stop saying what you don't know; Gundogan hasn't been a crucial player for Dortmund in recent years because of his fitness issues/injury (He was missing a lot of games and Dortmund had learnt to play well without him).

Our fitness levels and match sharpness aren't up to par yet and Dortmund started preseason earlier and have already played 3 more games than us.

I think generally Dortmund have a better squad than us and should normally win but there were a lot of varying conditions involved today you should've considered instead of being illogical as usual.

Dadehmola:
The issue i raised was on the premise that Rooney seems to be in the immediate plans of our manager & he has even outlined his roles - I am not here to debate the formation that suits our players best, neither am I here to engage you in a "Rooney is finished or not " arguement


I ask again - if Rooney (our captain) is gonna feature as a 10 (and he seems to be in the immediate plans of our manager) ,how do we get the best outta our potential world record transfer if he (Pogba) functions best as an AMF in a 4-3-3?

Mourinho hasn't explicitly stated that Rooney would play as a 10 and must always start as far as i know . Mourinho also stated Mata has a place; make of that what you will.

Arda Turan. Poor bloke

He gave up about half the period in a season waiting for Barcelona transfer ban to dissolve and never really recovered since that crucial break. Now Barcelona folks are calling for his head and can't wait to see the back of him.

Dadehmola:
This conditional statement further complicates the whole thing & I am happy you have given us another important reason why we shouldn't break the transfer record for a Player who is already having problems fitting into the side

4-3-3 is the formation that best suites our players currently and that's even without Pogba. Rooney has been finished at the top level for about 3 seasons and i don't mind our best XI being without him. So what point are you making here? That we shouldn't sign Pogba because Rooney won't fit in? You should be embarrassed by that claim.
I have already stated long ago before you brought this up that Pogba's signing won't mean well for Rooney and I'm happy about that. Pogba currently is good enough to build a side around but Rooney is not. It's that simple.


Another important reason? What good reasons have you stated? I would like to see the one I won't destroy at first attempt.

@Kagawa I'm still expecting replies to my last post to you.

Dadehmola:
If Rooney is to play as a nine-and-a-half or #10 (as mourihno has said) and will most definitely start alongside Pogba, Miki,Ibra...does it mean we already have a problem as regards getting the best outta our potential £100m world record signing ?

Yes, unless we get a very defensive player who is also a good play maker to play alongside Pogba in a pivot. I stated another condition though in the post you quoted.

Our midfield play is non existent. Herrera and Blind in a midfield 2

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Nihilist:
Speaking to reporters from his hospital bed after he was shot, Mr Kinsey told WSVN TV: “I’m going to the ground, just like this with my hands up. And I’m laying down here just like this. And I’m telling him again, ‘Sir, there’s no need for firearms. I’m unarmed, this is an autistic guy. He has a toy truck in his hand.’”

“When he shot me, it was so surprising. It was like a mosquito bite. And when he hit me, I’m like, I still got my hands in the air. I said, ‘You know, I just got shot.’ And I’m saying to them, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ And his words to me, he said, ‘I don’t know.’”

I don't know why I shot you

See yarns

I found this incident extremely hilarious.

Diademk07:
If you seen my other post, I did talk about Koke apart from Verratti and others.
And I disagree that playmaker should cost little. This kind of players are one in a generation. As a matter of fact, after the attackers, they should be the next in line. Players like Xavi, Zidane, Pirlo, Scholes etc were the constant reason their team became dominant even for a short while.
We all saw the Yaya Toure of this world who looked clueless for City as soon as he faced any decent orchestrator in the CL. Did you watch the cup game that involved Juve and Millan? Gwd! Pogba looked terrible in that match.
It's not even as if he has the most silky touch like Verratti/Iniesta/Zidane nor the best of vision as Ozil. His dribbles even look haphazard to me although he tends to be in control of it like Suarez does.
I just can't get head around the price for him. Nobody is saying he's a poor player but he's not worth 50mil let alone 100mil. His game hasn't even developed from the time he left. I watch him when he came on as teenager for us and he was just the same. No wonder Scholes mentioned that Pogba wasn't good enough to displace him.

Sorry read that post you quoted again. I have edited it and added more explanations that would serve as answers to some of the issues you just raised.

Play makers are almost always cheaper than attacking midfielders. If you go through the history of transfers, you'd know they've costed more and would continue to cost more. I don't even need to debate this.

You're just pontificating as usual. Knock your head into the ground if you can get around the fee; is it your money?

Give alternatives or players better than Pogba that're available or would be cheaper to sign. There are none. I hope this transfer happens.

Mourinho makes a lot of transfer but to be honest he has never bought a player as expensive as the prices being touted for Pogba. He is not LVG who would make a very expensive buy and won't actually know how to use the player so I've a lot of faith in this transfer. The conditions vary quite well from that of Di Maria and regardless it'll be stupid of us to stop making such buys because we failed previously at some.

I don't give a sh1t if we're overpaying or not. People simply don't understand some things. It's easier to strengthen from a position of strength and we're simply not in that kind of position right now. I hope we can go with the full galatico model, so we can get there in the shortest possibly period of time. We have money/funds unlike Madrid who had get involved in shady deals and got assisted by the governments in Spain when they started that policy.

Currently, i'm fully in the Pogba camp. On so many levels, there's a lot of sense in this transfer.

Diademk07:
I would take Oliver Torres before even looking at Pogba.
We're talking of the same Oliver Torres who not only dominated and outclassed Pogba at the u20 worldcup but did the same to Bayern midfield. Not forgetting the fact that he was Porto's best midfielder while he was on loan.. Caseimiro who was his midfield partner nd wasn't as good as Torres became an important apart of Madrid midfield. So, what are we talking about? It's not Torres fault that Simeone is a defensive coach who would rather use him on the wing in the few time he play him than in the midfield.

Oh now you've stop saying we should get Verrati since you've seen it was a poor reason as he's nontransferable or even costlier. Now it Oliver Torres FFS. You didn't even mention Koke or Niguez. Nonsense!

Stop associating "midfield domination" with Pogba. Pogba is not a midfielder or player you get to control or dominate midfield. That's how some of you folks kept on mentioning and comparing him with players like Verrati or even Kroos. He is simply not that kind of player currently and it's pretty stupid to judge/elevate him with such criteria. He's best as the furthest or attacking midfielder in a 4-3-3 (for example Lampard at Chelsea) or at worse a rampaging B2B midfielder ( Yaya Toure). In the former he's good enough for a CL winning side and in the latter only a league winning side because of the lack of defensive cover and we'd get punished in Europe for that.

Midfielders that control games are even supposed to be cheaper than the attacking ones and the funny thing is Verrati being even more costlier than Pogba, so just imagine how silly those comparisons have been all along.

Pogba got overrated by the excessive media attention he's received and that's no fault of his but in recent times I've noticed most folks now are currently underrating him and doing a poor job or even worse. I would start addressing this issue too.

dubylhover:
i honestly don't get how some united fans think that this pogba deal is one over Madrid...this is a club that has won d UCL 2 times in d last 3 seasons,it shows that the money they've been spending since is finally bringing out results..Madrid are not as desperate as manu now,I'm sure they must analysed d quality of players of players in their team and looked at pogba also,they found out that d money doesn't reflect d true worth and it would affect their balance a bit,y do you guys think barca and Madrid didn't bid the world record transfer? if Madrid actually felt they wanted him and he was worth the price,believe me he would b posing for the cameras with Perez...

pogba to manu currently is a case of a one eyed man being king in d land of d blind...

You're being quite untruthfull here. Madrid hardly buys galaticos at prices that reflect their truth worth. Even with a good world cup, was James worth €80 million? After buying him, they finished trophy less in the season that he played with them though he played well. In the CL they just won, James wasn't even an integral figure in their XI. He got benched since Zidane decided to go with 3 midfielders in a 4-3-3 formation and now Madrid is looking to upload him as soon as possible. He has flopped. Wasn't that a waste of €80 million? of course it was because Madrid never even needed him in the first place just as currently they don't need Pogba but they want him. They have a good midfield already but don't care about that. All these "Pogba not reflecting true value" or whatever is bullsh1t, because that has hardly been Madrid's driving force for transfer.
They buy good players but it's usually the shiniest toy on the market and currently that player is Pogba but United have out priced them. Their wage bill is already enormous(they can't even offer Pogba galatico wages), and i'm not even sure they've the cash to bid and would have to offload James (and Morrata) to match the sum we've offered Juventus, who would only sell to the highest bidder. They simply cannot afford him currently given the conditions but we can.

I understand some fans are against United signing Pogba and while that's normal, i haven't seen them presenting any worthy/truthful reasons to support them.

It's just the usual regurgitating of poor excuses and falsehood that're being peddled. I have resumed posting again and would address most of them shortly.

afrodoc2:
Pogba is good but at this point i believe we need someone in the mode of Verrati, Modric ,Kroos e.t.c And actually this Pogba money could get 2 classy midfielders e.g Verrati n Modric/Kroos e.t.c

PSG has stated Verrati is nontransferable. They won't sell, even at the prices we offering Juventus for Pogba or even for more insane fees. Be truthful to yourself at least. Verrati is gonna cost far more Pogba if were to have any hope of signing him. People should stop throwing the name around to promote arguments against Pogba's signing. It's quite annoying.

I'm back after a brief break.

Good news. Pogba is almost certain to sign.

GGMU.

This French coach is an idiot. So he saw it fit to put in Martial until France goes behind and then he now panics and make the substitution. Poor management.

Spy360:
Draxler can easily be converted, he was false nine for Germany and I think he did well.

For now Giroud is better than Lacazette + he is french.

Why is Arsenal going for Lacazette if Giroud is better than him?

Don't be silly now. Lacazette is also French but he wasn't even called up to the French National team for the Euros because he doesn't fit into the profile of the kind of CF Deschamps like.
Kokaneprodigy hope you're seeing what stupid logic you've been employing. Lacazette can't get ahead of Giroud as CF of the French team but Wenger is actually trying to sign him cause he's better than Giroud and would actually improve Arsenal. I hope the signing fails though.

It's the World Cup win that encourages Neuer hype.

Those who watch the world cups in 2010 and 2014 know that Casilas was far more influential in Spain World Cup win than Neuer for Germany.



I could make a video showing a compilations of all errors Neuer made and how many stupid goals he conceded because of his stupid antics just for this season alone you guys would be surprised because they're quite numerous. It would take De Gea 3 calendar years at least to match those magnitude of failures Neuer incurred in his time.

I knew of De Gea's greatness when he was voted 2nd best keeper in world when his team finished 4th and trophy less and when he was still named the best keeper in the PL when he finished 5th.
De Gea at 19 became the starting keeper for Atletico and winning the Europa, while Neuer was just making his professional debut at that age.

Unfortunately for De Gea, Spain domination of world football is pretty much over. Spain won't win the World Cup or Euros in the next 10-15 years unless a miracle happens.

dubylhover:
okk..I personally hope that he's right,that pogba wants Madrid ahead of united

Don't listen to that stupid dude anymore. He's a bitter cnut who hates United. He's so salty that Madrid can't match up the fee Juventus want for Pogba. Check out his Twitter, he's getting trolled massively.

Now I want this Pogba transfer to happen more than ever, even for £120 million, I don't care.

dubylhover:
but d whole summary is that pogbas first choice is madrid not manu...besides thats how tins stand now..that's d message

He's talking nonsense. People are calling out his bullsh1t on twitter.

Diademk07:
Nope!
Because we will always be dominated in the middle like Germany did to france who were only saved by the german lack of decent strikers to finish off most of their moves.
Except we intended playing like the defensive small club mentality Atletico.
However, If he end up as a striker like Diego Costa who started as a SS. I would snap him up in an heartbeat.

What about we creating a strong midfield to dominate the opposition and back him up as a goal getter ? Would he fail in such a situation too?