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LOL, because the site is owned by and meant for muslims, abi?

First, let me correct this idea most women often project when seeking sympathy. It's THEIR baby, not his . You don't say it's "his" baby when custody battle begins; only when you want to to whip up sentiments in your favour. Second, he convinced (not forced) her to abort and she AGREED not just because it was favorable to him but also to her. So, it's a MUTUAL thing.



Now, back to the issue at hand, did the two of them break up after the abortion saga or was he two-timing her?

Christianity brought western education to Nigeria. Christianity brought the Mass Media to Nigeria. Christianity brought modern healthcare system to Nigeria. Christianity put an end to the killing of twins. And for the world, most of the devices, gadgets and innovations that make life comfortable for us today (from the computer to the radio to the television to the telephone etc) were invented by Christians.

Now, can anyone tell me what we enjoy in Nigeria today that wouldn't have been possible without Islam? I know of religious violence, terrorism and (forced) early marriages for girls in Northern Nigeria. What esle?

MADNESS IN ACTION

How do you see someone that's dead and decayed thousands of years ago? Someone you NEVER saw when he was alive? How will you know he's the one you're seeing?

Ever wondered why the most volatile States in Nigeria are the ones with the highest number of muslims? Ever wondered why religious crisis occurs in Northern Nigeria more than any other parts? Ever wondered why most suicide bombers and terrorists are muslims? Here is the answer:



Quran 9.123: "Fight the unbelievers around you and let them find harshness in you".

Quran 47:4 "Smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding them". 

Quran 8.12 "Smite infidels on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."

Quran 4:84 "Fight in Allah's Cause. Incite the believers to fight with you"

Quran 2:216 "Jihad is ordained for you (Muslims), even if you dislike it".

If muslims are not anti Christs', why do they hate christians and even kill them for their convictions?

Of course, that's what muhammed, the notorious killer and child molester, taught them:

Q 9.123: "Fight the unbelievers around you and let them find harshness in you".

Q4:84 "Fight in Allah's Cause. Incite the believers to fight with you"

Q 2:216 "Jihad is ordained for you (Muslims), even if you dislike it".

Q 47:4 "Smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding them".

Q 8.12 "Smite infidels on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."

More devilish advice from "God's book":



Quran 9.123: "Fight the unbelievers around you and let them find harshness in you".

Quran 47:4 "Smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding them". 

Quran 8.12 "Smite infidels on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."

Quran 4:84 "Fight in Allah's Cause. Incite the believers to fight with you"

Quran 2:216 "Jihad is ordained for you (Muslims), even if you dislike it".




Who says Islam is not a religion of PISS?

Jesus is not a carved/sculptured image. Jesus is the embodiment of God. Stop blaspheming by comparing Jesus with what you carve out with your hands!

And as I said before you have no one to point to, either among Jesus or the early disciples, that advocated that carved images be used in worship, or that you should bow to them. Even when, out of wonder and amazement, John the Revelator wanted to bow before the angel that showed him some things concerning the end time, he was STRICTLY forbidden from doing so. Revelation 22:8-9 says: "And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God."


If it's forbidden to bow before an angel of God in worship, how can it be scriptural to bow before a graven image or before the Pope in worship?

@gen2genius.

I currently have little patience for illogical people or people who wish to rant and refuse to answer my questions but expect me to answer theirs.

I asked you several direct questions, please answer them. I never stated anything about my belief so I don't know where you're getting that from.

One more time answer my questions.

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Go ahead. But one thing you must know is, if you claim to be a CHRISTian, then be a follower of the teachings and examples of Christ. Otherwise, calling yourself a Christian is a misnomer

2 Corinthians 4
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them

Christ himself is an image.

Colossians
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love, 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the remission of sins; 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature

Ha look at that in the NT we actually have an image of God.

The making of images are not prohibited, it is the worshipping of those particular images that are prohibited.
Worshipping does not mean one bows, so bowing before anything doesn't constitute worship.

@Lady

Now, who's ranting and spewing out absurdities?  

What questions did you ask that I didn't answer? You asked a single question - Is God being inconsistent? - and I answered you, so why the hysteria?


And the passages you cited in the New testament as the basis of your bowing to graven images are totally outrageous, to say the least.

Don't you understand simple English? Does any of the passages you mentioned talk about carved or sculptured images? Are you saying God sculptured Jesus out of stone or clay or wood and therefore Catholics have the licence to do same ? I never thought you'd need explanation on the passages you quoted but since you seem to be misinterpreting them, let me inform you that what the scripture implies is that all you need to know about God is in Christ. That's what the Bible means by "image of God," not that you should be carving out images for yourself to bow down to. Simple!

And I ask you, if you claim to be a Christian, why don't you emulate Christ? Did he bow to or taught you to make and bow to any images? And when he taught you about prayer, did he say anything about using images? When the first Christians, including Peter whom you claim to be the first pope, began their ministry did you read about them using images in worship?

It really amazes me how you people bring up ideas that contradict the teachings and practices of Jesus and still claim to be his followers.

You're confused. 

God back to page 1 and see the proof and cover your face in shame. It wasn't my post MRBrown responded to (It was princekevo's). I was the one that responded to his post based on what he said to princekevo and that has been the focus of our debate.

If you think Christians should still be under the Mosaic law, don't you think then that we should still be observing all the rituals, ceremonies and traditions in it? Don't you think we should still be stoning and killing people who do wrong, observe the Sabbath and offer rams as sacrifice for atonement of our sins? Why do you think Christ came?

God is not inconsistent. The Mosaic law was to serve a purpose until Christ would come. After that, everything was to be patterned after Christ and His teachings. Here is the full explanation from the Scripture:

"Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." (Galatians 3:19-25).


"Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.  But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." (Galatians 4:21-26)

And here's where Paul expressed concern for his brethren who were still stuck in the Mosaic system, despite the fact that a better system had been introduced:

"Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." (Romans 10:1-4).

Shall I show it to you from the NT that images are not wrong?

Go ahead. But one thing you must know is, if you claim to be a CHRISTian, then be a follower of the teachings and examples of Christ. Otherwise, calling yourself a Christian is a misnomer



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Are the Israelites Christians?

Are you following the Mosaic tradition or the teachings of Christ?

Why don't you FOR ONCE stop referring to what happened before Christ came and say something about what he taught and instructed?

What are you talking about? In how many ways are you supposed to practise CHRISTianity? Or don't you know the implication of the word CHRISTian? If you don't, then read Hebrews 12:2

I repeat (for emphasis):

I don't see why Lady and others should be justifying their idolatrous practices with what happened under the Mosaic law. If the ark of covenant was made at the time of Moses and you use that as the basis of what you do, it implies that what you practice is not CHRISTianity but Judaism. Besides, if you could make reference to what happens then and tell us it's still applicable today, what happens to all the religious rituals, ceremonies and punishments that were given under the Mosaic law? Why don't you keep to them?

But if you claim to be CHRISTians (followers of Christ), then your teachings and practices clearly negate that. On all the occasions that Christ prayed/taught his disciples to pray, did he use any images? On all the occasions that the apostles prayed after the ascension of Christ, did they use any images? Or better still, did they worship God with the aid of any sculptored or graven images? Where did you get your ideas from? How can you claim to be Christians if you cannot follow Christ's teachings and principles? Hebrews 12:2 says "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith" Why do you have to look unto Moses or the Pope for that matter? Please, let's know where you stand. If you're CHRISTians, then follow Christ!


And here's where the Bible denounced your idolatrous tradition:

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,  And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections. . ." (Romans 1:22-26)

Man is corruptible. Only God is incorruptible and deserves your absolute worship! Desist from idolatry!

Sorry, I can't start another thread because mukina2, a muslim, (and[b] not[/b] AKO) is the one moderating both the "religion" and "Islam" forums (See the ID of the person who wrote "rules and regulations for religion forum" and you'll understand better). And each time an "anti-Islam" thread appears, it is quickly deleted. Search the religion forum and check how many are against Christians and the Bible, you'll find many, especially by Abuzola and co. But check if there are topics against Islam. I doubt if you'd find any. Does it mean Christians have not been starting such threads? No. In fact, I started one today but it disappeared the next minute. So the only option we have is this

And I doubt if you know what you're talking about when you said Islam was not founded by Muhammed and that people had been having a normal religion before Muhammed came. Can you tell me the name of the religion? Are people who practise this religion without accepting Islam recognised by God? And why is it that Muhammed said only people who accept his teachings will go to heaven and those who reject it should be killed?

And why did Muslims go on killing and burning spree when the cartoons of Muhammed appeared? Would they have done so if they had not attached something to his personality? Would they have done that if it was just any other Muslim that was concerned. Abeg, don't think you can fool anyone with your empty rhetorics!

As for MrBrown, his headache is not just with Christians but with believers in God in general. So the issue is beyond my domain lol


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Sorry for the needless distraction, my good people. Here's more "tory" about our "prophet"

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298:

    Narrated 'Aisha:

    The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to handle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

Sahih Muslim Book 3, Number 0629:

    'A'isha reported: I and the Messenger (may peace be upon him) took a bath from the same vessel and our hands alternated into it in the state that we had had sexual intercourse.

Can we ever imagine how an over fifty years old man could handle his pre-teen wife during her menstrual cycle! By the way, the meaning of Junub is sexual defilement, that is, the state after having sex.

If you thought that marrying a girl of six years old and having sex with her when she turns nine is too much to digest then there is more surprise for you!

In the Sirat Rasul, we read the incredible story that Muhammad, himself, wanted to marry a crawling baby girl a few years before his death. This happened after he married A'isha. The following citation is from the book of Sirat Rasul Allahby Ibn Ishak, the most authentic biographer of Muhammad (pbuh) Most other biographies are based on this monumental work by Ibn Ishak/Ibn Hisham:

(Suhayli, ii.79: In the riwaya of Yunus I.I recorded that the apostle saw her (Ummu'l-Fadl) when she was baby crawling before him and said, 'If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her.' But he died before she grew up and Sufyan b. al-Aswad b. Abdu'l-Asad al-Makhzumi married her and she bore him Rizq and Lubaba, (ref.10, p. 311)

More expose on the life of the "holy" prophet   

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231: 

Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:

I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible.


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3371:

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): O Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3373: 

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported:

We took women captives, and we wanted to do 'azl with them. We then asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) about it, and he said to us: Verily you do it, verily you do it, verily you do it, but the soul which has to be born until the Day of judgment must be born 



On the matter of having sex with multiple partners,   Imam Ghazali writes (ref.7, p.368):

It has been narrated in a gharib Tradition that the messenger of God said, "I have complained to Gabriel that I would like more strength when having intercourse with my wives, and he instructed me to eat harisa, " then you should know that he had nine wives, and he was obliged to satisfy them all, and that no one was permitted to marry them after his death, or even if he divorced them; his request for strength was therefore for this, and not for enjoyment.

"Prophet" requesting for SEXUAL strength, not spiritual strength!!

And how could these obscene utterances proceed from the mouth of a "prophet" of God and the founder of a religion:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16:

Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:

While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 38, Number 504:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

I was accompanying the Prophet on a journey and was riding a slow camel that was lagging behind the others. [, ] When we approached Medina, I started going (towards my house). The Prophet said, "Where are you going?" I said, "I have married a widow." He said, "Why have you not married a virgin to handle with each other?"[, ]

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3459:

Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported:

I married a woman, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to me: Have you married? I said: Yes. He said: Is it a virgin or a previously married one (widow or divorced)? I said: With a previously married one, whereupon he said: Where had you been (away) from the amusements of virgins? Shu'ba said: I made a mention of it to 'Amr b. Dinar and he said: I too heard from Jabir making mention of that (that Allah's Apostle) said: Why didn't you marry a girl, so that you might sport with her and she might sport with you?



Judge for yourselves, prophet or sex-maniac?

And how do you expect minors to read these without becoming assassins and terrorists:

Quran 8.65:: "O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight".

Q 9.123: "Fight the unbelievers around you and let them find harshness in you".

Q4:84 "Fight in Allah's Cause. Incite the believers to fight with you"

Q 2:216 "Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), even if you dislike it".

Q 47:4 "Smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding them".

Q 8.12 "Smite infidels on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."

How does this promote peace (remember islam is PISS?) love and unity among humans?

And these people claim to be worshipping God?

Shameless kettles calling the pot black

Keep spamming. . .you might successfully confuse convince someone someday

I've always known that one of the worst symptons of bigotry is beclouded reasoning and sometimes (e.g in this case) partial blindness.

If you had not been bigoted, you would have seen that I said it clearly that most of the evil things you attributed to God were not caused by him. You thought you were discrediting my claims but you only ended up supporting them and contradicting yourself. Just as you said,

the christian wife who was contaminated by her unfaithful husband is guilty and she should die as she has sinned in the eyes of god.
- the lady who was raped by arm robbers and subsequently was infected by the virus, she too should die because she has sinned in the eyes of god.
- the millions of babies born from aids infected parents and subsequently die before their 10th birthdays. they must have sinned too
- the priest shot and killed while saying mass, i guess he must have sinned too
- what about the innocent people who died due to car accidents all over the world, they must have all been sinners.
- all the people dying of heart attacks, cancer, and all the diseases out there. i guess they must ALL be sinners.

Which of these can be attributed to God? Is it God that said a husband should be unfaithful, that a lady be raped, that a priest be shot, that people should have accidents, or that people should be killed during holocaust? What exactly are you rambling about?  Lawd have mercy!

bibliolatory is a form of idolatory. "Worshippin" the bible. . .which has been equated with the word of God, even though it is man made. Jesus, the focus of the Christian faith had nothing to do with the authorship of the New Testament. The Gospels are theologically interpreted narratives that were each created for a specific purpose. Quoting the Bible the way most Christians do, as the final authority on all matters, is the most dangerous form of idolatory because what that does is make the hand-work of men become God's "voice". .

Jesus, in his lifetime challenged every authority that claimed to come from God. . . He was not satisfied with the status quo. Claiming something is from God is not enough. . .

Christianity started in memory of Jesus. . . it isn't of Jesus, but the creation of men (not all of them were honest or sincere). . .like the Bible. . .we have to really apply our heads if we want to understand it. The Church, for the most part, has done little to teach Christians what the stories in Bible really mean/represent.

BALDERDASH!

Can someone please tell me how to contact a mod. . . .my account got closed (for alleged spamming) and it's been over 24 hrs

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Sorry, there's no reason for your account to be reopened because you're still committing the same offence that got you banned. You're still posting spammy and meaningless stuffs

I don't see why Lady and others should be justifying their idolatrous practices with what happened under the Mosaic law. If the ark of covenant was made at the time of Moses and you use that as the basis of what you do, it implies that what you practice is not CHRISTianity but Judaism. Besides, if you could make reference to what happens then and tell us it's still applicable today, what happens to all the religious rituals, ceremonies and punishments that were given under the Mosaic law? Why don't you keep to them?

But if you claim to be CHRISTians (followers of Christ), then your teachings and practices clearly negate that. On all the occasions that Christ prayed/taught his disciples to pray, did he use any images? On all the occasions that the apostles prayed after the ascension of Christ, did they use any images? Or better still, did they worship God with the aid of any sculptored or graven images? Where did you get your ideas from? How can you claim to be Christians if you cannot follow Christ's teachings and principles? Hebrews 12:2 says "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith" Why do you have to look unto Moses or the Pope for that matter? Please, let's know where you stand. If you're CHRISTians, then follow Christ!


And here's where the Bible denounced your idolatrous tradition:

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,  And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections. . ." (Romans 1:22-26)

Man is corruptible. Only God is incorruptible and deserves your absolute worship! Desist from idolatry!

@ Poster

wow. . .so so true! Bravo!

Is it not you, Abuzola? Everyone knows your IQ is far below average

For your info, what MRBrown is saying is not about Christianity; it's about GOD! So if you believe the god you serve kills people with HIV AIDS and starves them to death, good luck!

MrBrownJay, I think you should think properly for yourself instead of just copying from the internet and pasting here. You claimed to be refuting someone's claims but you only succeeded in making outrageous claims yourself

Is it God that kills people with HIV/AIDS? If yes, why have you not died of it? Is it God that tells people to rape each other and have sex recklessly?

Is it God that causes starvation in Africa? If yes, what happens to all your resources, beautiful vegetations and the wealth your leaders amass for themselves daily?

Is it God that make people fanatical? If yes, where is their commonsense?

I'm not an advocate of forcing anyone to pay any money to God or anybody. So if you think you can start a debate on that with me, you're wasting your time

Now you're saying Mosaic laws have been abolished but making graven images for worship have not been abolished. Funny. Was it not under the Mosaic laws that the Isrealites were commaded to make the winged creatures you mentioned? And if the laws have been abolished, how does that exclude the law to make graven images? Are you so confused?

And as for your question,

Why dont you prove from the scripture to show that use of images have been abolished.

Here is what God says of you:

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections, " (Romans 1:21-26).

Man is corruptible. Only God is incorruptible and deserves your worship!
Hope that enlightens you and delivers you from the yoke of idolatry

I explain that "doted" represents excessive sexual love, that "flesh" is a euphemism for penis, and "issue" means "semen"? I'm sure you mumus understand. . . Or I think i need to make a grafiti of this verse and post here on NL . . . then u guys wud understand better. . (as if fry dont already)

Now I know that you're truly deranged. Who needs your explanation? Could someone who has a sex pervert as a mentor and a polluted mind as a guide ever come up with a decent explanation of such verses? You expect everyone to accept your warped  interpretation which was born of dirty imaginations of what Muhammed did to be true? How could your mind be so polluted? I asked you, where did you see all the obscene, outrageous words you used? Should you not be ashamed that the writers of the Book you're trying to discredit were discreet enough not to mention such things but you could mention them because Muhammed has taught you not to have control over your tongue and sexual organs?

You don't know what you're saying. Just keep your mouth shut and continue "thighing" your sisters with the hope of having plenty virgins in heaven. Perv!