Sweetnecta, or whatever you are called, you will do well to note the following:

1. If you were truly enlightened, you would have seen that the information I gave was SPECIFICALLY for Christians. I made it clear from the beginning!

2. I never mentioned any "Princess" in my narrative, nor did I specifically mention Islam.

3. I have no time presenting any "facts" to any authorities. What have they done about all the real-life "facts" they get from day-to-day about Christians being brutally butchered in the North?

4. You know you are deceiving yourself by claiming that Islam does not encourage violence and cruelty. The facts are their for every right-thinking person to see. Mohammed and his followers encouraged and engaged in killing countless souls ("non-believers"; Uthman dan Fodio entrenched Islam in Northern Nigeria by violence and bloodshed; suicide bombers and terrorists all over the world are moslems (yeah, tell me they are just a minority misrepresenting Islam, and I'd ask you why don't other religions have such "minority" blowing people up in the name of seven virgins in paradise?); northern Nigeria where Islam is the predominant religion has the highest incidence of religious violence etc etc.

So, Mr., I'd rather you told your tantalising tales about Islam to the marines!

This intelligence report is for all Christians, especially those whose denominations regularly organise programmes  that attract large turn-outs of people (crusades, retreats, camp-meetings etc).


The ever-implacable and incorrigible descendants of the bondwoman are at their evil game again. Having employed various sadistic tactics to decimate Christians and eliminate Christianity in Nigeria without success, and having observed with diabolic envy over the years, the success of most Christian programmes, they are about to launch a guerrilla-like attack on Christians by targeting major programmes. Their strategy is to start selling poisoned consumables - especially fruits, barbecue (suya) etc - around programme venues. The poisoning will be done mainly by injecting these edibles.   

What to do?

First, we must remind ourselves that these things (including the incessant attacks on Christians in the North) are not strange, as the Scripture affirms, "But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now." (Galatians 4:29). The Old Dragon will never stop using his agents of darkness to persecute the children of light. But we have the assurance of victory, as Christ Himself as told us that the "gates of hell" shall never prevail against us. Apostle John also re-emphasised this, when he said, "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. (1 John 4:4). All the attempts by Pharaoh to depopulate the people of God ended up causing them to multiply. So there's absolutely nothing to worry about!

Second, we must watch and we must pray. We must pray that the Lord God, the Mighty One in battle, will continue to foil the sinister plans of these wicked souls. And, please, don't buy things anyhow around programme venues.

Finally, pass this message to all in the household of faith around in you.

WE SHALL PREVAIL!

That's all bigoted critics do - rant, rant and rant without considering other people's views. I posted a comprehensive explanation for you with the hope that you'd be reasonable enough to read, analyse and make sensible remarks. Unfortunately, you seem to be contented with languishing in your cocoon of ignorance and irrationality. Ramble on. . .

The problem with most cynics and skeptics like you is that you never take time to think deeply about an issue before spewing out rubbish. This is not the first time this topic is being raised and I think it's time someone cured you and your cronies of your ignoble ignorance.

Truly, the Scripture enjoins all believers to exercise faith in God in every area of their lives; but it never says we shouldn't apply our intellect, abilities and commonsense when necessary. If you're so obsessed with the issue of security, what would you say about provision of basic necessities?  God promised to supply all our needs just as he promised to protect us, but does it mean we shouldn't work for our daily bread? God promised to keep us away from every form of sickness and disease but does that mean we should neglect the rules of hygiene?

When God promises to do something for you, it doesn't imply that you become careless and negligent of your own role - because faith without works is useless! You can't expect God to do for you what he has ENABLED and EMPOWERED you to do for yourself. By doing so, you're tempting God and abusing the divine privileges he has given you. In case you don't know, this was the focus of the first and second temptations Satan posed to Christ. In the first temptation, he asked him to use his spiritual power to turn stones into bread. Christ could have done so; but that would be tantamount to abuse of spiritual power. If he needed to eat, the right thing to do was to go get food the natural way. There was plenty of foodstuff in the market; why should he expect God to turn stones to bread for him? In the second instance, he was tempted by Satan to jump down from the pinnacle of the temple - because it had been written that God would protect him. But he refused because that would be sheer foolhardy!

Back to the issue of security. Would you say Pastors and other Christians should not lock and bolt the doors of their houses when necessary because God has promised to protect them? Wouldn't that be senseless and presumptuous? And for your information, right from the Bible days believers in God have been applying their God-given wisdom to protect themselves in their own ways. I'll give you a few examples in both the Old and the New Testaments of the Bible.

1. When Nehemiah and his people were rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem, they faced serious challenges from enemies who didn't want them to succeed in the task. Now, even though they expected God to help them overcome these enemies, they were sensible enough to know that they had a part to play. Here is Nehemiah's account of the event: And I looked, and rose up, and said unto the nobles, and to the rulers, and to the rest of the people, Be not ye afraid of them: remember the Lord, which is great and terrible, and fight for your brethren, your sons, and your daughters, your wives, and your houses.  And it came to pass, when our enemies heard that it was known unto us, and God had brought their counsel to nought, that we returned all of us to the wall, every one unto his work. And it came to pass from that time forth, that the half of my servants wrought in the work, and the other half of them held both the spears, the shields, and the bows, and the habergeons; and the rulers were behind all the house of Judah. They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon. (Nehemiah 4:13-17).

2. When Herod beheaded James and his Jewish supporters expressed their approval, he wasted no time in arresting Peter, with the aim of beheading him too! What did the rest of the apostles do? They simply converged in the house of John Mark and LOCKED the gate while they prayed for Peter's release.  And when Peter was come to himself, he said, Now I know of a surety, that the Lord hath sent his angel, and hath delivered me out of the hand of Herod, and from all the expectation of the people of the Jews. And when he had considered the thing, he came to the house of Mary the mother of John, whose surname was Mark; where many were gathered together praying. And as Peter knocked at the door of the gate, a damsel came to hearken, named Rhoda. And when she knew Peter's voice, she opened not the gate for gladness, but ran in, and told how Peter stood before the gate. (Acts 12:11-14).

3. When Paul was to go to Rome and he got the report that some people were plotting to kill him, he did not take the matter for granted in the name of "faith." Instead, he asked that the case be reported to the Chief Captain, so he could be provided with adequate security. And guess what the Chief Captain did? He ordered that 470 security guards be assigned to Paul on the journey and Paul gladly agreed to the arrangement. Here is the account: And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul. And they were more than forty which had made this conspiracy. And they came to the chief priests and elders, and said, We have bound ourselves under a great curse, that we will eat nothing until we have slain Paul. Now therefore ye with the council signify to the chief captain that he bring him down unto you to morrow, as though ye would enquire something more perfectly concerning him: and we, or ever he come near, are ready to kill him. And when Paul's sister's son heard of their lying in wait, he went and entered into the castle, and told Paul. Then Paul called one of the centurions unto him, and said, Bring this young man unto the chief captain: for he hath a certain thing to tell him. So he took him, and brought him to the chief captain, and said, Paul the prisoner called me unto him, and prayed me to bring this young man unto thee, who hath something to say unto thee. Then the chief captain took him by the hand, and went with him aside privately, and asked him, What is that thou hast to tell me? And he said, The Jews have agreed to desire thee that thou wouldest bring down Paul to morrow into the council, as though they would enquire somewhat of him more perfectly. But do not thou yield unto them: for there lie in wait for him of them more than forty men, which have bound themselves with an oath, that they will neither eat nor drink till they have killed him: and now are they ready, looking for a promise from thee. So the chief captain then let the young man depart, and charged him, See thou tell no man that thou hast shewed these things to me. And he called unto him two centurions, saying, Make ready two hundred soldiers to go to Caesarea, and horsemen threescore and ten, and spearmen two hundred, at the third hour of the night; And provide them beasts, that they may set Paul on, and bring him safe unto Felix the governor.

So, get this into your head. You pray to God for victory in battles; but you must keep your gunpowder dry!

Olabowale, I sympathise with you because you seem to be as deluded as most other muslims are. What you people preach most times is a change of religion which, probably unknown to you, does not correspond to a change of heart, attitude and lifestyle. The destructive impression you have and try to pass to others is that once you're a muslim, you're automatically qualified for God's kingdom. But does it really work that way? Are there no muslim robbers, killers, rapists, hooligans, terrorists and the likes? What if Miracle accepts Islam today, does it automatically make her heart pure and her character pleasing to God?

It's high time you muslims got your priorities right. What people need is a change of life, not a change of religion! There are muslims who uphold the 5 pillars of Islam and yet live a sinful life and ask for forgiveness everyday. So, how does accepting Islam help anyone? That's why you hardly hear Christians preach the message of "accept Christianity" because you may be a Christian and still not be what God wants you to be. That's why Christians still preach to one another on the need to be born again; on the need to have the new life of righteousness and holiness which God alone gives to all who approach in truth and sincerity.

So, try to assess your beliefs and methods of propagating them and see if they truly have the potential to TRANSFORM people's lives or not. What God desires of us is to live a life that conforms to His words and glorifies his name, not merely following the tenets of a religion!

Abuzola:

This is the most crucial time for cecilia ibru to get aid by the multi billion pastor Adegboye, she has done great things for the church. Now that the law is caught up with her to refund millions and she is in Efcc custody, the church is not assisting their benevolent member, what a shame !

What CREDIBLE and SENSIBLE proofs do you have to back up your claim?

Do muslims actually fast for 30 days?

I'm not sure they know what they're talking about.

In the first place, a day starts at 12am yet they are free to eat till 5am.

Secondly, it's only lunch they don't eat. They eat breakfast and dinner - so what's the big deal?

If you were not involved in the initial planning, I don't see why you MUST be involved in the eventual sharing.

And I'd still like to get something clear before making a definite comment on the issue. Was the cost of the training DELIBERATELY inflated for dubious reasons? Or is the entire package a normal entitlement? Why I asked the second question is because people in government are naturally careless with money as it seems to be flowing freely without any clear direction on what to do with it. And in that case, they wouldn't mind giving you N200 for a N3 sweet. If that's the case, then it's not sinful to partake in the sharing - it's like requesting for pocket money from your "overrich" Dad and he gave you 200 million Naira while you're expecting only 200 Naira. It's your luck, not your fault. But if it's a case of dishonestly inflating costs, then you must isolate yourself. They should be glad about it, after all, it'll mean increment in their individual shares!

Expatiate.

Did the organisation approve the money for the intended purpose? Is it being used for it? Is it the Senior Officers who are planning to share the money? etc etc

Hello Mcfrac, I understand your concern but the case is a little bit dicey. Issues like this, especially one involving a new convert, require a great deal of tact, maturity and patience. If he's truly born-again, the Spirit of God will make him see reasons why a true Christian should not involve in such business. Alcoholic drinks have several damaging effects on our body which is the "temple of God." And whosoever defiles or destroys the temple of God will not be spared. 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17 says: Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?  If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

You can enlighten him on the terrible effects of alcohol, and then ask him if he thinks it's proper for him to engage in selling such to others. But please, don't pressure him; let the Spirit of God work on him, "for as many as are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14).

You can get more information online about the various hazards that alcohol poses to our bodies. Here is one:

THE HARMFUL AFFECTS OF ALCOHOL ON THE BRAIN AND CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM

      Alcohol is a depressant, which slows down the central nervous system and can cause drowsiness, relieve pain and induce sleep.

      - Drinker experiences mild euphoria and loss of inhibition as alcohol impairs region of the brain controlling behavior and emotions. Alcohol impairs behavior, judgment, memory, concentration and coordination (shortened attention span, impaired problem solving abilities), as well as inducing extreme mood swings and emotional outbursts.

      - Alcohol acts as a sedative on the central nervous system, depressing the nerve cells in the brain, dulling, altering and damaging their ability to respond appropriately. Large doses cause sleep, anesthesia, respiratory failure, coma and death.

      - Impaired or distorted visual ability and hearing (affects ability to distinguish between sounds and perceive the direction they are coming from) ; dulled smell and taste (reducing the desire to eat) and loss of pain perception; altered sense of time and space

      - Impairs fine motor skills, and slows reactions.

      - Numbness and tingling in the arms and legs caused by nerve damage from depletion of thiamine (B vitamin); when severe, can damage other nerve endings, causing staggering, etc. (Wernicke's Encephalopathy).

      - Long term drinking may result in permanent brain damage (Korsakoff's Syndrome or 'wet brain'), serious mental disorders, and addiction to alcohol.

ON THE LUNGS

      - Lowered resistance to infection.

      - High amounts of alcohol may cause breathing to stop, then death.

ON THE LIVER

      - Chronic heavy drinking may cause alcoholic hepatitis (inflammation and destruction of liver cells) and then cirrhosis (irreversible lesions, scarring, and destruction of liver cells). Impairs the liver's ability to remove yellow pigment, and skin appears yellow (jaundice).

      - Liver damage causes fluid to build in extremities (Edema).

      - Decreases production of blood-clotting factors; may cause uncontrolled bleeding

      - Liver accumulates fat which can cause liver failure (“alcoholic fatty liver”), coma and death.

REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM – Male and Female

      - Sexual functioning can be impaired and deteriorate, resulting in impotence and infertility, sometimes irreversible. Females also have a high risk of developing breast cancer.

      - In men, may lead to sterility, atrophy of the testes and enlargement of the breasts.

      - Early menopause and menstrual irregularities are common in women who drink excessively.

      - Drinking during pregnancy significantly increases chance of delivering a baby with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome; small head, possible brain damage, abnormal facial features, poor muscle tone, speech and sleep disorders, and retarded growth and development.

HEART

      - Weakens the heart muscle and ability to pump blood (Cardiomyopathy).

      - Abnormal heart signals, irregular heart beat and heart enlargement.

      - Increases blood pressure, risk of heart attack and stroke.

      - Inhibits production of both red and white blood cells.

MUSCLES

      Due to lower phosphate, muscles become weaker and atrophy; pain, spasms and tenderness.

STOMACH/INTESTINAL/DIGESTIVE

      - Irritation and damage of esophagus lining, induces severe vomiting, hemorrhaging, pain and difficulty swallowing. Can contribute to throat cancer.

      - Irritation of stomach lining, can cause peptic ulcers, inflammation, bleeding lesions and cancer. Minute blood loss may deplete the body's iron stores, causing irritability, lack of energy, headaches and dizziness.

      - The pancreas becomes stressed from having to create insulin to process the sugar present in alcohol. This creates a significant risk of pancreatitis, a chronic inflammation that can be fatal. - rly menopause and menstrual irregularities are common in women who drink excessively. of sugar in alcohol. n severe,

      - Irritation of the intestinal tract lining and the colon

      - Nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, sweating and loss of appetite are common.

      - Alcohol impairs the small intestine's ability to process nutrients and vitamins.

      - Chronic drinking may result in inflammation, ulcers, and cancers of the intestines and colon.

BONES

      - Alcohol interferes with the body's ability to absorb calcium, resulting in bones being weak, soft, brittle and thinner (Osteoporosis).

What sort of money are they sharing?

Then, answer the following questions with appropriate quranic verses:

1. How many angels talked to Mary?

2. Was Pharaoh drowned or saved?

3. Will all Christians go to hell?

4. Which came first, heaven or earth?

5. What was man created from?

6. Who was the first Muslim?

And the Quran has none?

Miracle,

I personally don't think you need anyone to tell you when to quit a church or what church to attend. You have God's word and you have His Spirit to guide you. But let me tell you this - EVERY church on earth has certain principles and traditions which are put in place either to prevent excesses or to promote orderliness. What I'm not sure of is whether they IMPOSE such traditions on all the members or not. The church you're referring to sounds like Deeper Life; but as far as I know, they don't force members of the church to do anything. I've attended their meetings on several occasions and I see people wearing trousers, jewelries and other things you mentioned and nobody flogged them or chased them out. And as I said earlier, if you go somewhere else, you'll still find some traditions that may not be exactly as the ones you're running from but are nonetheless controversial. For instance, I was shocked to hear that people are made to pay certain levies before they can use toilet facilities in Redemption camp (RCCG). And there was a time I attended a CAC church and discovered that men and women were made to sit separately. In the Catholic, Anglican, Methodist and Celestial churches too, there are certain rules and practices that may agitate you.

So, the bottom-line is: look away from the minor (traditions) and focus on the major - i.e does the church preach sound doctrines of the Bible that will help you live a victorious Christian life and guide you safely to heaven at last? If yes, then you should be glad because that's the ultimate goal of the gospel. But if the minor issues tend to hamper your spiritual life or if you are being FORCED to comply with them, then you can ask the Holy Spirit to guide you to make the right decision.

God bless you!

Hello Mcfrac, I understand your concern but the case is a little bit dicey. Issues like this, especially one involving a new convert, require a great deal of tact, maturity and patience. If he's truly born-again, the Spirit of God will make him see reasons why a true Christian should not involve in such business. Alcoholic drinks have several damaging effects on our body which is the "temple of God." And whosoever defiles or destroys the temple of God will not be spared. 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17 says: Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?  If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

You can enlighten him on the terrible effects of alcohol, and then ask him if he thinks it's proper for him to engage in selling such to others. But please, don't pressure him; let the Spirit of God work on him, "for as many as are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14).

You can get more information online about the various hazards that alcohol poses to our bodies. Here is one:

THE HARMFUL AFFECTS OF ALCOHOL ON THE BRAIN AND CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM

Alcohol is a depressant, which slows down the central nervous system and can cause drowsiness, relieve pain and induce sleep.

- Drinker experiences mild euphoria and loss of inhibition as alcohol impairs region of the brain controlling behavior and emotions. Alcohol impairs behavior, judgment, memory, concentration and coordination (shortened attention span, impaired problem solving abilities), as well as inducing extreme mood swings and emotional outbursts.

- Alcohol acts as a sedative on the central nervous system, depressing the nerve cells in the brain, dulling, altering and damaging their ability to respond appropriately. Large doses cause sleep, anesthesia, respiratory failure, coma and death.

- Impaired or distorted visual ability and hearing (affects ability to distinguish between sounds and perceive the direction they are coming from) ; dulled smell and taste (reducing the desire to eat) and loss of pain perception; altered sense of time and space

- Impairs fine motor skills, and slows reactions.

- Numbness and tingling in the arms and legs caused by nerve damage from depletion of thiamine (B vitamin); when severe, can damage other nerve endings, causing staggering, etc. (Wernicke's Encephalopathy).

- Long term drinking may result in permanent brain damage (Korsakoff's Syndrome or 'wet brain'), serious mental disorders, and addiction to alcohol.

ON THE LUNGS

- Lowered resistance to infection.

- High amounts of alcohol may cause breathing to stop, then death.

ON THE LIVER

- Chronic heavy drinking may cause alcoholic hepatitis (inflammation and destruction of liver cells) and then cirrhosis (irreversible lesions, scarring, and destruction of liver cells). Impairs the liver's ability to remove yellow pigment, and skin appears yellow (jaundice).

- Liver damage causes fluid to build in extremities (Edema).

- Decreases production of blood-clotting factors; may cause uncontrolled bleeding

- Liver accumulates fat which can cause liver failure (“alcoholic fatty liver”), coma and death.

REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM – Male and Female

- Sexual functioning can be impaired and deteriorate, resulting in impotence and infertility, sometimes irreversible. Females also have a high risk of developing breast cancer.

- In men, may lead to sterility, atrophy of the testes and enlargement of the breasts.

- Early menopause and menstrual irregularities are common in women who drink excessively.

- Drinking during pregnancy significantly increases chance of delivering a baby with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome; small head, possible brain damage, abnormal facial features, poor muscle tone, speech and sleep disorders, and retarded growth and development.

HEART

- Weakens the heart muscle and ability to pump blood (Cardiomyopathy).

- Abnormal heart signals, irregular heart beat and heart enlargement.

- Increases blood pressure, risk of heart attack and stroke.

- Inhibits production of both red and white blood cells.

MUSCLES

Due to lower phosphate, muscles become weaker and atrophy; pain, spasms and tenderness.

STOMACH/INTESTINAL/DIGESTIVE

- Irritation and damage of esophagus lining, induces severe vomiting, hemorrhaging, pain and difficulty swallowing. Can contribute to throat cancer.

- Irritation of stomach lining, can cause peptic ulcers, inflammation, bleeding lesions and cancer. Minute blood loss may deplete the body's iron stores, causing irritability, lack of energy, headaches and dizziness.

- The pancreas becomes stressed from having to create insulin to process the sugar present in alcohol. This creates a significant risk of pancreatitis, a chronic inflammation that can be fatal. - rly menopause and menstrual irregularities are common in women who drink excessively. of sugar in alcohol. n severe,

- Irritation of the intestinal tract lining and the colon

- Nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, sweating and loss of appetite are common.

- Alcohol impairs the small intestine's ability to process nutrients and vitamins.

- Chronic drinking may result in inflammation, ulcers, and cancers of the intestines and colon.

BONES

- Alcohol interferes with the body's ability to absorb calcium, resulting in bones being weak, soft, brittle and thinner (Osteoporosis).

Two questions for you Huxley.

1 - Do you have CONCRETE proofs that there were "tiny little babies" among those who were destroyed? I know it can be assumed but don't base your accusations on assumptions. It's ILLOGICAL!

2. If there was a weather report that there would be a heavy rainfall in a particular city this afternoon, and a mother witlessly took her baby out without an umbrella and when the downpour began, both the mother and child were drenched and both caught pneumonia. Who would you blame. God? 

As I said earlier, think well before allowing bigotry to push you into posting rubbish!

Abuzola, shame on you. So you called Jesus whom you claim is one of your prophets a murderer?

Tudor and Huxley, sometimes your way of reasoning amazes appalls me. If God tells you not to put your hand into a fire and you do and get burnt, is it reasonable to put the blame on him? Are you so gullible and bigoted? God sent Noah to the people to warn them of an impending deluge and he provided a way of escape for as many as would be wise. He told Noah to construct a mighty Ark and gave him the exact specifications. Can you guess how many years it would take to build such an ark? It was that same length of time that God gave to the people to consider the warning. As Noah was building, he continued to warn the people and they continued to mock him, just like many people today, especially, atheists who mock God and his words. Some even said they wanted to see how such a thing could happen. And it did happen. So, how's God a murderer?

God is a loving a patient God. Unfortunately, human beings like you take these wonderful attributes of his for granted. Take the case of the people of Sodom too. The angels warned and Lot too warned and warned but the people kept mocking until the predicted judgement came to pass. Even the Israelites were not spared each time they despised God's words.

And see what happens in our present generation - the ubiquitous spread of evil and perversion; the utter disregard for God and his word, and yet God continues to warn and forbear. And as usual, the foolish people who will NEVER learn from history continue to revel in depravity and mockery of God. So, what excuse or accusation will any of you have against God at last?

Let me give you three different accounts that buttress my explanations. PLEASE take time to go through them 'cos they're cogent and not lengthy:

From Jesus (warning the people of this generation in advance):

And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. (Luke 17:26-29)

Also from Jude:

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Jude 1:7)

And from Peter:

This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack (sluggish) concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:1-9).

Still, people won't listen. So how's God a 'murderer' in this context. Why should God be blamed for man's self-inflicted foolishness and woes? These days, we have "weather reports" the purpose of which is to make us properly plan our activities. But if someone foolishly ignores the reports and warnings, whose fault would it be? Even in human governments, there are certain laws that are meant to regulate our actions and interactions. And there are penalties attached to the violation of these laws. Many people know the harshness of some of these penalties; yet they choose to violate the laws. Would it then be reasonable for you to blame the government for prosecuting such? In most Asian countries, the penalty for drug peddling is death. Yet many Nigerians still engage in the dirty deal. Will you also join the band of jobless "diplomats" who go about begging for leniency when such criminals are arrested and sentenced?

Please, let's apply commonsense and stop being unreasonable!

Another dummy has just joined the absurdity-party!

I deliberately said that, Fellis, because if you're not one, you'd simply have asked the poster to provide some evidence instead of ranting about Christians "avoiding" his questions.

Let the folly continue

     

Bunch of jobless dummies!

   

You need to learn yoruba to know about the we and us, etc as plural to elevate ones persona, while one still remain just a single human. Allah is Higher than all of that!

This is RIDICULOUS!

So, people have to learn a language like Yoruba before comprehending English pronouns in the quran?

Don't think you can fool anybody - allah was not thinking of yoruba language when he made the various declarations and the translators did their work based on the contexts of the passages. If it was truly one person, they would NEVER have used we/us in the English translation because the English language and several other languages do not recognise us/we as an expression of "self-prestige" lol. And I wonder how you'd explain this to people who speak these languages. If for example, you want to explain it to an Igbo man, will you start saying, "Well, if you look at it from the yoruba way of showing rspect bla bla bla, "? NONSENSE!

@Gen2genius: If a singe non-muslim was in Madina (city of Muhammad (AS)), used to be Taif, then the thought of Muhammad forced people to islam is therefore defeated. Think man. You are genius already.

This makes no sense to me, because it says nothing about the question I asked.  I said Muhammed forced people to accept Islam; I didn't say he forced EVERYBODY in Medina. So back to my question. Did muhammed force people to accept Islam or not?


And even though you tried vainly to justify muhammed's killings of Jews, what about the other instances I mentioned? Will you deny them too? I'll copy them here for all to see

2- You lied there. Muhammed himself said he was given instructions to kill people who refused to accept Islam and those who refused to accept that he was sent by allah

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah." (Bukhari: volume 1, book 2, number 24, Khan)

Tabari IX:82:

The Messenger sent Khalid with an army of 400 to Harith [a South Arabian tribe] and ordered him to invite them to Islam for three days before he fought them. If they were to respond and submit, he was to teach them the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Prophet, and the requirements of Islam. If they should decline, then he was to fight them.”

Bukhari:V4B53N386

Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.


Qur'an 9:29-33: Fight those who believe not in God and the Last Day and do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden -- such men as practise not the religion of truth ,  It is He who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may uplift it above every religion, though the unbelievers be averse.

Ibn Sa'd, Kitab Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir, vol. 1, pp. 397-398:

Surad Ibn `Abd Allah al-Azdi arrived with about thirteen to nineteen members of his people in a deputation to the Apostle of Allah ,  The Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, appointed him (Surad) amir of those of his people who had embraced Islam, and enjoined him to wage war against the polytheists of the tribe of Yaman, who were living in the adjoining territories. He set out and alighted at Jurash which was a strongly fortified city and where the tribes of Yaman had taken shelter. He (Surad) invited them to embrace Islam but they declined. He besieged them for a month and used to raid their animals and seize them. Then he retreated to a mountain, called Shakar. They thought that he had fled, and came out to pursue him. He arrayed his forces, and attacked them. Muslims put them to the sword as they liked. They seized twenty of their horses and fought them all day long. The people of Jurash had sent two men to the Apostle of Allah, who were waiting for an opportunity to meet him. The Apostle of Allah, Allah bless him, informed them of this combat and the victory of Surad. The two men came to their people and informed them of the circumstances, along with other incidents. So a deputation of them set out, and they waited on the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, and embraced Islam. ()

Other instances:

He (Muhammad) said: "Woe to you, Abu Sufyan, isn't it time that you recognize that I am God's apostle?" He answered, "As to that I still have some doubt." I (Abbas) said to him, "Submit and testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of God before you lose your head," so he did so. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, p. 547)

Abu Bakr too said: "You asked me for the best advice that I could give you, and I will tell you. God sent Muhammad with this religion and he strove for it until men accepted it voluntary or by force." (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, pp. 668-669)

  And this: When Jarir reached Yemen, there was a man who used to foretell and give good omens by casting arrows of divination. Someone said to him. "The messenger of Allah's Apostle is present here and if he should get hold of you, he would chop off your neck." One day while he was using them (i.e. arrows of divination), Jarir stopped there and said to him, "Break them (i.e. the arrows) and testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck." So the man broke those arrows and testified that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah. (Bukhari: volume 5, book 59, number 643, Khan)


Muhammed and his followers were so excited by this violent propagation of Islam that an anthem was composed for the savage crusade. Here is a section of a poem that Ka'b b. Malik composed before the Islamic conquest of Al-Ta'if.

    If you offer peace we will accept it
    And make you partners (with us) in peace and war.
    If you refuse we will fight you doggedly. ,
    We shall fight as long as we live
    Till you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge.
    We will fight not caring whom we meet
    Whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. ,
    And we cut off their noses and ears
    With our fine polished Indian swords,
   Driving them violently before us to the command of God and Islam,
    Until religion is established, just and straight. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, pp. 587-588)

3. You lied again. Several of the passages of quran where muslims are ordered to kiil non-muslims do not contain that clause ("a non-muslim who stops you from worshipping allah). Muslims were ordered to KILL all unrepentant unbelievers. Here are examples:

Qur’an:8:65 : O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.


Qur’an:8:39: Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.

Qur’an:9:5: Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

And I still insist: CAN YOU CITE INSTANCES OF WHEN MOSES KILLED PEOPLE FOR GOD? Stop making claims without valid proofs, man!

LIAR!

The truth is obvious - allah is not one entity but a LEGION of demons!

@ REMI

You've not answered my question. How many people did Jesus kill?

olabowale:

among these three prophets, Jesus was the least successful, Moses was the more successful than Jesus in the eyes of the jews. Moses killed because his Lord commanded him, thats killing for God. Jesus of the Bible was weak, so now the christians are doing some large scale killings for him now that theuy are in power. He is your god, aint he? Muhammad is never in competition with Jesus and you know it, so stop fronting!

Olabowale, how do you define success? Can you compare the number of followers of Judaism with that of the adherents of CHRISTianity?

Again, you refused to answer my question: can you cite specific instances of when Moses killed for God?

If Jesus of the Bible was "weak", how many people did Isa of the quran kill? And did you say Isa was a weakling because he did not kill like muhammed?

What do you mean by "large scale killings" by Christians? Are you from space? When was the last time you heard of Christian terrorists, suicide bombers etc? When last did you hear of Christians going on killing spree like your muslim barbarians?

olabowale:

@gen2genius: « #36 on: Yesterday at 11:46:51 PM »  
Now, let's see how honest and objective you are. This is enough for the day. I have a life apart from Nairaland you know. Too many questions will not allow me to run my life. Is not like my answer benefits you. You have no interest in Islam. islam may not have interest in you by the way you are going.
1. Are you insinuating that Muhammed never forced people to accept Islam? Yes. My proof, there were non-muslims in Madina even on the day of his death!


2. Are you saying he never killed hundreds if not thousands of people who refused to accept Islam?Yes. My proof, Makka became Muslim, without killing a single soul, when they expecetd him to revenge the way the had treated him and his companions, the reason they made Hijras.


3. Are you claiming that the quran doesn't command muslims to kill non-muslims ("unbelievers"? Yes. My proof, not a non-muslim who did not stop you from the worship of Allah. Your statement is more of indiscriminate killings. Islam forbids that.


4. Are you really claiming that Jihad doesn't mean "holy war"? Yes. Struggle is Jihad. harb is war. You do not know a thing about islam. Read surah Almaidah, you will see war/harb, not struggle/Jihad.


5. How would you describe what Uthman dan Fodio did in nothern Nigeria, if not Jihad? I hated history and Nigerians kill me with their attaching Islam with Northern Nigerians alone. The Yorubas are Muslims. My family is islam, dominantly and primarily.


6. How does the quran say you should handle those who renounce Islam? Quran says those who left islam, and then came back to it, and then left it and came back to it, ! That should tell you something. Oh. There is no compulsion in religion. If there were, I would have persnally gone to Texas to snatch Osisi to become Muslima. I would have personally just turn northward to snatch davidylan as well. Lol


7. Since you insinuate that Muhammed didn't kill those who opposed Islam, can you explain why his Jewish wife poisoned him? Fellas; Osisi and Davidylan, help your fellow Kiriyo to understand Islam. He said his wife poisoned him. Lol.

@ OLABOWALE:

1 - The question is not whether there were non-muslims in medina at the time of his death or not. The question is: DID MUHAMMED FORCE PEOPLE TO ACCEPT ISLAM OR NOT?

2- You lied there. Muhammed himself said he was given instructions to kill people who refused to accept Islam and those who refused to accept that he was sent by allah

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah." (Bukhari: volume 1, book 2, number 24, Khan)

Tabari IX:82:

The Messenger sent Khalid with an army of 400 to Harith [a South Arabian tribe] and ordered him to invite them to Islam for three days before he fought them. If they were to respond and submit, he was to teach them the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Prophet, and the requirements of Islam. If they should decline, then he was to fight them.”

Bukhari:V4B53N386

Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.


Qur'an 9:29-33: Fight those who believe not in God and the Last Day and do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden -- such men as practise not the religion of truth ,  It is He who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may uplift it above every religion, though the unbelievers be averse.

Ibn Sa'd, Kitab Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir, vol. 1, pp. 397-398:

Surad Ibn `Abd Allah al-Azdi arrived with about thirteen to nineteen members of his people in a deputation to the Apostle of Allah ,  The Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, appointed him (Surad) amir of those of his people who had embraced Islam, and enjoined him to wage war against the polytheists of the tribe of Yaman, who were living in the adjoining territories. He set out and alighted at Jurash which was a strongly fortified city and where the tribes of Yaman had taken shelter. He (Surad) invited them to embrace Islam but they declined. He besieged them for a month and used to raid their animals and seize them. Then he retreated to a mountain, called Shakar. They thought that he had fled, and came out to pursue him. He arrayed his forces, and attacked them. Muslims put them to the sword as they liked. They seized twenty of their horses and fought them all day long. The people of Jurash had sent two men to the Apostle of Allah, who were waiting for an opportunity to meet him. The Apostle of Allah, Allah bless him, informed them of this combat and the victory of Surad. The two men came to their people and informed them of the circumstances, along with other incidents. So a deputation of them set out, and they waited on the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, and embraced Islam. ()

Other instances:

He (Muhammad) said: "Woe to you, Abu Sufyan, isn't it time that you recognize that I am God's apostle?" He answered, "As to that I still have some doubt." I (Abbas) said to him, "Submit and testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of God before you lose your head," so he did so. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, p. 547)

Abu Bakr too said: "You asked me for the best advice that I could give you, and I will tell you. God sent Muhammad with this religion and he strove for it until men accepted it voluntary or by force." (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, pp. 668-669)

 And this: When Jarir reached Yemen, there was a man who used to foretell and give good omens by casting arrows of divination. Someone said to him. "The messenger of Allah's Apostle is present here and if he should get hold of you, he would chop off your neck." One day while he was using them (i.e. arrows of divination), Jarir stopped there and said to him, "Break them (i.e. the arrows) and testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck." So the man broke those arrows and testified that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah. (Bukhari: volume 5, book 59, number 643, Khan)


Muhammed and his followers were so excited by this violent propagation of Islam that an anthem was composed for the savage crusade. Here is a section of a poem that Ka'b b. Malik composed before the Islamic conquest of Al-Ta'if.

   If you offer peace we will accept it
   And make you partners (with us) in peace and war.
   If you refuse we will fight you doggedly. ,
   We shall fight as long as we live
   Till you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge.
   We will fight not caring whom we meet
   Whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. ,
   And we cut off their noses and ears
   With our fine polished Indian swords,
  Driving them violently before us to the command of God and Islam,
   Until religion is established, just and straight. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, pp. 587-588)

3. You lied again. Several of the passages of quran where muslims are ordered to kiil non-muslims do not contain that clause ("a non-muslim who stops you from worshipping allah). Muslims were ordered to KILL all unrepentant unbelievers. Here are examples:

Qur’an:8:65 : O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.


Qur’an:8:39: Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.

Qur’an:9:5: Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

5. Just answer a simple question, instead of beating around the bush: HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT UTHMAN DAN FODIO DID?

6. Again, you didn't answer the question. Be honest: HOW DOES THE QURAN SAY YOU SHOULD HANDLE THOSE WHO RENOUNCE ISLAM?

Olabowale, three questions for you.

1. Can you cite specific instances where Moses killed for God?

2. Are Christians followers of Moses or Jesus?

3. Can you give instances of when Jesus killed for God?

Also could you explain the following hadiths?


   Book 019, Number 4366:

   It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.” [This single sahi hadiths tells everything about Islamic intolerance]

   Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288

   The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders one of them was to Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula.


   Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176

   Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
   Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

Now, let's see how honest and objective you are.

1. Are you insinuating that Muhammed never forced people to accept Islam?

2. Are you saying he never killed hundreds if not thousands of people who refused to accept Islam?

3. Are you claiming that the quran doesn't command muslims to kill non-muslims ("unbelievers"?

4. Are you really claiming that Jihad doesn't mean "holy war"?

5. How would you describe what Uthman dan Fodio did in nothern Nigeria, if not Jihad?

6. How does the quran say you should handle those who renounce Islam?

7. Since you insinuate that Muhammed didn't kill those who opposed Islam, can you explain why his Jewish wife poisoned him?

Abuzola:

For Admiration and prestige.  In yoruba you use wo wan bè for an elder and in hausa sun ce suna zuwa -all these are for esteem, in English why the use of 'ARE' for a singular e.g you are sick. Like that like that. Hope you get it

ABUZOLA, are you drunk again? This is simple English. No one ever uses "we" for HIMSELF ( not even for "admiration and prestige" ). Now, the lies and absurdities of Islam are becoming clearer. Now we know allah is not one after all

Abuzola:

Compiled by Abuzola

verily, We (Allah) have sent you (O Muhammad)  as a witness, as a  bearer of glad tidings and as a warner' Quran 48:8

You claim Allah is one. So, why the frequent use of plural pronouns - "we," and "us" for him in the quran?? You bunch of confused and depraved savages!

What do you mean by "unsure" statements? If Islam wasn't repugnant, why did muhammed FORCE people to accept it? Did Jesus kill anyone to make them believe his message? And could you tell me exactly what's unsure either in the above post or the one on page 1 which I will repeat here because you deliberately pretended not to see it:

Noetic shouldn't have started this thread in the first place, knowing full well that he would NEVER get a sensible explanation for the senseless killings by muslims. How do you expect a muslim to denounce what Muhammed himself did? Olabowale and co are grandmasters of deception and insincerity. Olabowale in particular has been desperately trying to play on people's emotions by insinuating that the main reason why "righteous" muslims kill is to enforce justice and curb evil. But what about Jihad in the quran? Is it about vengeance and justice? What about all the people that Muhammed and his followers killed because they refused to accept Islam? Was that also for the sake of justice? Should you impose religion on people? Islam was founded and propagated by violence and that's why violence will never stop being its hallmark. Without coercion who would accept Islam? What good does it have to offer? If it had any good to offer, people would have gladly embraced it without being threatened and intimidated.

It's a shame that people who recite astragafurulai (prayer of forgiveness) everyday would make themselves God over others. Who among the jihadists does not sin daily basis? Who among the people in the Sharia court of "justice" does not commit sin and ask for forgiveness daily? Who among those who stone and kill people "for allah" does not sin against allah daily? Even Olabowale, a sinner, claims he wouldn't mind killing another sinner for allah. Isn't that the height of hypocrisy and absurdity? And just as Noetic and other sensible people have been asking, IS ALLAH SO POWERLESS AND HELPLESS THAT HE CANNOT DEAL WITH THOSE WHO SIN AGAINST HIM? Why would he need the services of a bunch of hypocritical sinners to punish another sinner? Gosh! Islam is indeed a devil-inspired AFFLICTION on humanity!

And Mukina2 deserves to cover her face in shame. Seriously, your narrowmindedness DISGUSTS me. I started a topic that compares what Yusuf of Boko Haram did (beheading pastors who refused to accept Islam) with what Muhammed did and instead of pointing out the difference (if there was any) you shamelessly deleted the thread. Why do you find it so difficult to accept the truth?   

There's actually nothing to explain. Muhammed killed to make people accept Islam. And his followers will continue to do same because nothing would make a sane person accept Islam, except he is compelled to

Noetic shouldn't have started this thread in the first place, knowing full well that he would NEVER get a sensible explanation for the senseless killings by muslims. How do you expect a muslim to denounce what Muhammed himself did? Olabowale and co are grandmasters of deception and insincerity. Olabowale in particular has been desperately trying to play on people's emotions by insinuating that that main reason why "righteous" muslims kill is to enforce justice and curb evil. But what about Jihad in the quran? Is it about vengeance and justice? What about all the people that Muhammed and his followers killed because they refused to accept Islam? Was that also for the sake of justice? Should you impose religion on people? Islam was founded and propagated by violence and that's why violence will never stop being its hallmark. Without coercion who would accept Islam? What good does it have to offer? If it had any good to offer, people would have gladly embraced it without being threatened and intimidated.

It's a shame that people who recite astragafurulai (prayer of forgiveness) everyday would make themselves God over others. Who among the jihadists does not sin daily basis? Who among the people in the Sharia court of "justice" does not commit sin and ask for forgiveness daily? Who among those who stone and kill people "for allah" does not sin against allah daily? Even Olabowale, a sinner, claims he wouldn't mind killing another sinner for allah. Isn't that the height of hypocrisy and absurdity? And just as Noetic and other sensible people have been asking, IS ALLAH SO POWERLESS AND HELPLESS THAT HE CANNOT DEAL WITH THOSE WHO SIN AGAINST HIM? Why would he need the services of a bunch of hypocritical sinners to punish another sinner? Gosh! Islam is indeed a devil-inspired AFFLICTION on humanity!

And Mukina2 deserves to cover her face in shame. Seriously, your narrow-mindedness DISGUSTS me. I started a topic that compares what Yusuf of Boko Haram did (beheading pastors who refused to accept Islam) with what Muhammed did and instead of pointing out any difference (if there was any) you shamelessly deleted the thread. Why do you find it so difficult to accept the truth?