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@Tudor,

what has his rantings got to do with your stupidity, is it any of your bizness if he rants? mad man

what does a CATHOLIC wants to know about titheing and its modes, FATHER BAYODELE is waiting for you to come collect your afternoon MASS after you missed the MORNING ONE and went for PURIFICATION SERVICE

From what i have come to see hear,its now believed that "empty cymbals makes the loudest noise", Tonye-T, Bobbyaf, OOLADEGBU, Recognise and their likes appear quiet and matured and when they explain they do so with points

Now i read somewhere where Tonye-t said you guys keep bringing back points he has already mentioned in details, and i know one of it has to do with why titheing is piad in monetary terms, yet you guys would not refer back or maybe you are shy and void of points, so i decided to go back and copy and paste his explanations, maybe it will soothe ya-dry souls 

And to you KunleOshow, believe me, there are some areas you dont bring, i have already said it TIME WILL TELL, i will not answer you on that again, because you may actually be a younger brother.

@ Chukwudi44,

for the little time i have had to read your comments on religion section, believe me am turned-off at the level of your knowledge, what you actually do is argue rather than oppose cleverly or discuss as it should be. I say it here time and time again that we should approach the scriptures with unbaised mindset and then can we both see the truth for ourselves. But it appears to me you just pick logics and intellect (sensual wisdom) and you pour it out maybe to win some battles i dont know like your mentor KunleOshod praised you for. 

However i'll commend you for how you replied |Gentle me| for his harsh post at you.though you had the opportunity to insult him back but then you introduced a calm attribute for the 1st time and i hail you for that.God bless you my friend and brother!

Back to the topic:

I read your writing to Oladegbu that the issue of tenthing in titheing was borrowed from the Mosaic law.do you mean to tell me Abraham who tenthed (Gen.14:20)and Jacob who tenthed (Gen.28:22) all did so because Moses told them to?, didnt they exist b4 the Mosaic law was given?. The question nobody has been able to answer me here is this: "If Titheing began with the Law, why then did Abraham and Jacob both practised it even b4 the Mosaic law was given?" Do you mean to tell me that Moses appeared to them and told them to? na wa o! we both know that this men both existed b4 the Law, so why then did they tithe.

What we guys do here is to read passages in the bible and pick it anonymously without having an indepth knowledge of how the term or phrase or word or vocabulary originated. I have sincerely explained it here that Titheing(tenthing) was never a law, it was a practise that began b4 the law and was only borrowed by the mosaic dispensation to explain a point. The Law is a different thing altogether from standards(tenthing for example). Standards are trails that have always existed, while Law is a document that binds how this standards should be practised.Do you understand?Make research for yourself.ok!

You also said there wasnt any place that introduced money as a model for titheing, Yes you're right, but then you are very wrong because if you understand the full significance of tenthing beleive me you'd rather stick to just giving money. How i mean:, In Gen.14:20 - it said "and abram gave him a tenth of ALLafter he(abram) had returned with spoils from a great battle, now i ask , doesnt something ring a bell in your brain that amongst the spoils were GOLD, SILVER,DIAMONDS, GARMENTS, FINEWOODS and lots more, Chukwudi44 do you mean to tell me that you dont know that those things were the money or currency Men used back then? And again, Jacob in Gen.28:22 - Jacob said, if God would give him all that he asked for, then he would give back a TENTH OF ALL, hello? so becos Moses commanded the israelites in his era to give produce as tenths, do you mean to tell me that others never gave beyond that?

Now again let me explain a little about why it was all about crops and farm produces in The mosaic era as it appears you know little or nothing about what you're arguing about, When the Children of Israel came out of Egypt, God instructed Moses that the Israelites should not mingle themselves with any other nation as they belonged to Him(God) and Him alone lest they be defiled. Now the consequence of that instruction meant that no trading should be done by them with other nations (heathens) and as such, no essence for money, because he was to give them a portion each for every tribe of israel from the land of canaan. He knew there was no means of getting money as no trade-by-barter would exist, hence the flocks and produce would be the only means to still get them to maintain the ancestral but divine standard of tithing. this issue could create another topic if i go on and on.I wish you'll understand.

Now to the other question you asked of why titheing should be daily, weekly, monthly?, my answer to you is this, i cant find any portion of the scriptures that said i should give daily, weekly, monthly, what i find is that i should give mine from my INCREASE, now i ask my self, how often do i get increase of my seed(income) the answer is MONTHLY of course, so then i tithe monthly, now another person could decide to gather up all their increase and offer at a stipulated date.Why should it be anyone's bizness if they do so, afterall "whatever we do, we do unto God and not unto man" (scriptures says)

I'll stop here for you now

Mr. Chukwudi44,

from the beginning i have never said titheing should be in monetary terms, i am ONLY and FIRMLY on the stands that titheing remains a practice of the new testament, as the topic of the thread suggest.because since it existed before the advent of the law it meant that titheing was a standard for covenant and not a LAW as you and other folks go about misinforming peeps here.

If you wish to pay your tithe in clothes why not, if you wish to give your tithe in agricultural produce why not, but as for me,Titheing was never a LAW but a STANDARD included in the LAW.

period!

Answer to your no.1 question is,

In the Kingdom issues, there are some issues which are of more priority than the others, like Jesus stated clearly in Matt.23:23, now when you go out to win souls to Christ do you preach to them about offerings, fasting and/or about administrative issues of the church? i ask you. But rather you tell them about the salvation Christ came to give man, you tell them about the origin of Sin and what its consequences meant for man until Christ came to redeem us, you tell them of man's eternal existence and so on and so forth. Now that is the weightier part of the Law of Christ (called Grace) without Justice, faithfulness and righteousness and such no one can get his /her soul redeem.

But when you give your life to christ, you now belong to a family (called the "Church" and where Christ is the head and God the Head of Christ, in this new family its expected that Standards, ordinaces and precepts must be followed in other for things to be in orderliness and decency like Paul mentioned. you dont just go into the church and start misbehaving and misleading hence things are kept for us to follow. Now that is where things like Offerings, Titheings,Giving, Fellowshipping, Prayers/prophesying, fasting and more comes in. All these things are meant to edifiy the church and bring us into oneness in communion.

If you read Paul's account to churches, you'll come to see that Churches were mostly practised in Homes major reasons was the persecution she received back then, later began in halls of houses, cathedrals and towers. well all that are story for anther day. so you see because the Apostles never mentioned it doesnt mean it was abolished, it was simply not a much issue to the soul as the matters of righteouness, godliness and the likes.

From the passage you quoted from Heb.7:5-18 i cant seem to find any verse not even a line relating to the abolishment of tithe, but simply the transference of ordinances by reason of the new priesthood change.

i explained it here better , just click HERE

@ Chukwudi, Jagoon and Mad_max,

Good day Friends, i saw your comments and felt i should explain what you guys claim you know but prolly dont, this is prolly what i keep saying here that the scriptures will only present itself to you the way you approach it, if biased , it will mean nothing, if prudent it will profit all things.

I promise not to argue here as its not of me to do so, but will rather give a clear breakdown of this thing called TITHE and its significance as the spirit of God gives me utterance.

What is Tithe?
TITHE
Tenths of produce, property, or spoils, dedicated to sacred use.
(from Fausset's Bible Dictionary, Electronic Database Copyright (c)1998, 2003 by Biblesoft)

Titheing before the advent/origin of the children of Israel was a CUSTOM, it was needful that for every spoil or profit anyone made, he should set apart some quota for the king, or their deity and this they did as a form of WORSHIP and this things were both practised and ritually kept by heathens. well that alone is a topic of its own.

The Origin of Tithe:

Alot of people today clearly believed that the titheing began with the exodus of the israelites from the land of egypt, the answer remains no as the concept and practise began way back Abraham and even Jacob. I will spare nothing to say that titheing was and has always remained a CUSTOM.

When Abram was blessed by the High Priest Melchizedek, He gave him one tenth of everything he gained from defeating Chedorlaomer and the kings who were with him.

"And Abraham gave him one tenth of everything." [Gen. 14:20], now it was no mistake that it was only Abraham's and Jacob's adherence that got documented and later seen from the scriptures before the introduction of the law, that still never meant that it was never practised by other heathens. Later we saw Jacob in Gen.28:22 saying "And this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, shall be God's house; and of all that you give me I will surely give one tenth to you." [Gen. 28:22]

Titheing in The Law:

This is where we all get it wrong today, folks think that titheing is/was a Law, but if it was , then how come Abraham (the patriach) paid, how come the real Israel himself (Jacob) paid. If one read thru' leviticus and more, you'll clearly find that Titheing was a task, it was an obligation, it was a requirement, it was a standard and never a Law.

Now i heard someone ask what is a LAW?

A Law is a set of decree/ruling/or any piece of legistlation binding how concepts/principles/standards should be followed/administered/kept to a people.(you can prefarably post a better definition should you find one). Now if you look carefully at this definition you'll find that for a law to be called a law, some things must be in place which are the concepts and standards or traditions as others may call it. Laws in otherswords validate principles. Make no mistakes LAWS ARE NOT PRINCIPLES OR CONCEPTS OR TRADITIONS BUT THEY RATHER VALIDATE AND INERT THE LATER.do you get it? Now my standings are this:

- If titheing was a LAW or Law of Moses as some say it is, then how come the Patriachs practised it, do you mean to say that moses gave the law before Abraham was born or was Jacob in the days when Moses gave the Law.

- To buttress more further this truth, they was never a place in the mosaic law that stated Titheing as a law, rather we saw clearly statements like "NOW THIS IS THE LAW OF BURNT OFFERING ( Lev.6:9) , NOW THIS IS THE LAW OF THE CEREAL OFFERING, LAW OF THE SIN OFFERING, LAW OF THE GUILT, LAW OF PEACE OFFERING, LAW OF THE BEAST AND BIRD, LAW OF LEPROUS DISEASE, LAW OF FLUID DISCHARGE AND so on, there was never such a thing as THE LAW OF TITHEING. so why do many still say that titheing/tithe was a LAW. the first appearance of the word "tithe" in the mosaic administration was in lev.27:30 and it said "And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's; it is holy to the Lord." Now it will not require you any bachelor's degree to understand that "the lord taught them how to administer the tithe and who owned it" and further reading of tithe gave thus also. Titheing here simply shows that it belongs to God and no body else.

- Thirdly if we still claim that it was abolished, then offerings should as well be abolished, because they were all included in the Mosaic law, why would "one law" be abolished while they other valid.answer yourself this. This alone goes to show that neither of them was a law but precepts that were included in the law of moses and thus was not abolished.

WAS THE LAW ABOLISHED?

How many of us have really taken the time to ask ourselves if any portion of the scriptures gave that the Law was abolished, to my understanding it rather said in Matt.5:17 - "Think not that i came to DESTROY the LAW . . .,i am not come to destroy but to fulfil" So where does this heretic phrase of "abolished" or "destroy" came about. To my understanding, Christ fulfilled the law in that he became all the requirements that the law for its perfection, e.g. were things like the blood, the lamp, the sacrifice, the stigma, the judgements. Ask yourself this, if christ fulfilled all concepts (not law) then why do we still give offerings, wouldnt it have been hypocritical or rather conflicting, i ask you? It is required of xtians that we clearly have the true knowledge of things as against the public views and approaches.

DID JESUS TALK ABOUT TITHEING?

The answer is yes, but then many folks say that it was spoken to rebuke hypocrites as such it does not affect us, with this i say then, who is more hypocritical, the rebuked or the self-righteous, and i ask them questions like, ok what happened to instances when Jesus rebuked Peter, James and John, are we also to say that since it was not to us, then we dont fall-a-fault there. whether it was said to the pharisees or to the disciples, it made no difference,as neither is justified without the holy spirit. In Jesus' comment and rebuke to them, he plainly and clearly stated in Matt 23:23-24

23 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices — mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law — justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter without neglecting the formerNIV. Did Christ say anything like "you should have practiced the latter without practising the former? i ask you. or do you mean to say that becos he never said it to his disciples so it doesnt fall on us? ridiculous i say! if thats the argument, then read down that passage and you'll find in vs.25-26

25 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean
NIV

so because he never mentioned disciples there, means that warning doesnt wasnt to us,hmmm i see. so what applies to me are the ones he said to the disciples directly, what a twist of scriptures.! To me, if Christ 'abolished' it like you guys think, then he would have clearly told everyone to saty out of it and prolly put a hypocritical tag on it. but then the opposite was the case.

WHY IS TITHE GIVEN AS MONEY?

I personally do not tell believers to give in monetary grounds, its simply said, if you can give crops produce why not afterall in some orthodox gatherings they still give their increase of food produce and they all celebrate, but lets be sincere and unbiased here, whom among us do receive wages in these supposed agricultural produce. give your tithe in money as much as you do in offerings,simple!God cannot be deceived!

WHY DO WE GIVE MONTHLY?

Folks when do the large populace of beleivers receive the wages for their labour, is it not monthly, but then i dont find any church that says we should give monthly, if you receive yours quarterly or daily or weekly or yearly then its up to you.


Finally for sake of time, i'll answer the question you guys asked in Heb.7:5,
Quote
(5)  And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham

This passage has clearly vindicated my point, how?

remember i said it is a concept/standard, now the bible said "the levites received tithes according to how the Law commanded them to", simple. it never said " the levites received tithes as it was a law" hello do you understand? if not then i think a good grammarian should come in here and explain better

i'll stop here for now while i attend to my official duties. God bless you my friends!

just read the way tonye-t answers people back, even if for once he is wrong, i would rather choose to still learn from him

KunleOshob:
@Gentleme
As you  are obviously on the the curse of the law of tithing i would only pray for you the see the light and receive true salvation which cannot be bought with tithes but is given to us freely through the grace of our lord and savious Jesus christ the son of the living God. However i cannot also stand by and allow fellow "christians" to continue to spread a lie using the name of christianity whilst continuosly dragging in into disrepute. It's no use trying to quote ttalks out of context as i believe we are not illeterates on this forum. He clearly said that it is glaring from scriptures that ustice, mercy and faith were incorporated in to the new covenant whilst tithes was not even contemplated beocs as the bible rightly told us in Hebrews 7: it is a weak, useless and unprofitable law.

Kunle this day i stand under the gospel of Christ and the knowledge that comes from obedience to say that  [size=15pt]YOU ARE CURSED IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AND HIS INSTRUCTION[/size], how dare you say i am curse, simply because you guys chooses to be greedy and jealoous because Men of God are blessed for their services, you stand to curse anyone who doesnt believe your SATANIC LIES

Believe me,time will tell, God's blessing abounds with them who beleive and obey.(isaiah says so)

chukwudi44:
the bible mentioned just 2 covenants

namely?


chukwudi, do you read the bible at all?

- what happened to the covenant of rainbow with Noah in Gen.6:18, Gen9:12

- What happened to the covenant of inheritance with Abraham in Gen.15:18

- what happened to the covenant of circumcision with Abraham in Gen.17:10

- what happened to the covenant of posterity/partiachy with Abraham , Isaac and Jacob lev.26:42

i can go on and on, chukwudi you are so daft, with all apologise i read somewhere that you are even a Catholic you need to know God and study his word and not what one father joseph ot matteus teach to do to., now tell me

"what has nurses got to do when doctors are talking if not to stick to their syringes and needles"?

@chukwudi44,

chukwudi44:
@gentle me

The weightier matters of the law like Justice and mercy were incorporated into the new covenant,there were reiterated in the letters of the Aposrtles,but no where did they ask us to tithe.

The early christians never paid tithe.Paul had to work for his own living,he was a tenth maker,he even mentioned in his letter to the thesalonians that he never received money from anyone without paying for it.

Donations under christianity were well coverd in 1cor 8,9 and 2 cor 9.No where were christians asked to tithe and nowhere in the bible were tithe paid daily ,weekly or monthly ,not even in the OT

wooow, look who has shoot himself, so they took some and left the other, wouldnt that be an offence? look who seem confused and desperate to prove a proveless point


@ ttalks

ttalks:
Gentle me,
Unfortunately, u are the one who is confused.
Upon all I and others have been posting in this threasd,u still can't decipher the points being made?

I and others have been trying to let u know that the law is no longer binding on us Christians.

The justice mercy and faith;and tithe according to the law are not binding on us.
What is binding on us is the Justice,mercy and faith which is communicated to us through the new covenant; not the law.
And according to the new covenant, we are not asked to tithe.

Go through the provisions of the new testament and see if there is no way justice,mercy and faith are communicated to us through them(that is apart from those highlighted by Matthew 23:23 which are of the law).

Chukwudi44 has given the proper explanation above.

heresy, so u expect me to go back home and believe henceforth that justice, mercy and faith are not binding on we xtians, God have mercy on this desperate guys, na wa o, all for the sake of not wanting to pay tithe. you guys are just too greedy in my opinion, and i will rather choose to stick to boobyaf and Tonye-t's explanation because as it appears you people are raped off points

ttalks:
It's all so simple Tonye-t.

Your prime verse of reference is the answer to your dilemna:

Matthew 23:23
(23)  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The above verse indicates that judgement,mercy and faith were matters of the law(the weightier matters) and so also were tithes matters of the law(but not as weighty as those earlier mentioned  )

The point being stressed by "these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone" is clearly expressed in :

James 2:10
(10)  For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
In keeping the law of moses, one had to keep every aspect and not leave any aspect undone. 

Ttalks, you rather seem confused, you know why?

- Fortuantely, You have finally agreed to what Tonye-T has always been trying to say here, that if you guys think or agree that tithing is a law, then justice, mercy and faithfulness are also the law. because Jesus called Justice, mercy and faithfulness the law too. Now from the scriptures you quoted it simply shows that "IF ONE WILL KEEP TO JUSTICE, MERCY AND FAITHFULNESS, THEREFORE HE SHOULD ALSO KEEP TO TITHING" -James 2:10 (or will u call this one twisting also?).

In my opinion, if you dont want to pay tithe (lightier law) then u should not also show Justice, Mercy nor faithfulness (weightier law), because why will you show justice, mercy and faithfulness and yet despise the other, isnt dat not an offence?

just accept, you seem confused!

FL Gators:
So true.

And some tend to look older. Facially and physically.

@post

wrinkles
cellulite
disintegrating ass
loss of FLEXIBILITY
Hanging or falling boobs
thinning lips

* wrinkles dont work anymore, they've got alot of mary kay products to hide that from us

* as for cellulite, ok, but wat would you say abt a lady who'se fat by nature

* disintegrating ass, men me never hear that one b4 oh, so their ass go split into thousand parts or how ladies don suffer 4 men hand o

* loss of flexibility :abi na for bed or where

* sagging or falling breast : men abi u never see a girl of 15yrs of sagging breast , how does that commeasurate with age

* thinning lips :pls expantiate further

to me, it will take a woman to tell a woman's age

i decided to quote Tonye'e reply maybe you did not see it

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=307798.msg4400553#msg4400553 date=1250941186][font=trebuchet ms][color=#000099]@ Chukwudi44,

I read your writing to Oladegbu that the issue of tenthing in titheing was borrowed from the Mosaic law.do you mean to tell me Abraham who tenthed (Gen.14:20)and Jacob who tenthed (Gen.28:22) all did so because Moses told them to?, didnt they exist b4 the Mosaic law was given?. The question nobody has been able to answer me here is this: "If Titheing began with the Law, why then did Abraham and Jacob both practised it even b4 the Mosaic law was given?" Do you mean to tell me that Moses appeared to them and told them to? na wa o! we both know that this men both existed b4 the Law, so why then did they tithe.[/quote]did you read this?

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=307798.msg4400553#msg4400553 date=1250941186]What we guys do here is to read passages in the bible and pick it anonymously without having an indepth knowledge of how the term or phrase or word or vocabulary originated. I have sincerely explained it here that Titheing(tenthing) was never a law, it was a practise that began b4 the law and was only borrowed by the mosaic dispensation to explain a point. The Law is a different thing altogether from standards(tenthing for example). Standards are trails that have always existed, while Law is a document that binds how this standards should be practised.Do you understand?Make research for yourself.ok![/quote]did you read this chukwudi?


[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=307798.msg4400553#msg4400553 date=1250941186]You also said there wasnt any place that introduced money as a model for titheing, Yes you're right, but then you are very wrong because if you understand the full significance of tenthing beleive me you'd rather stick to just giving money. How i mean:, In Gen.14:20 - it said "and abram gave him a [size=13pt]tenth of ALL[/size]after he(abram) had returned with spoils from a great battle, now i ask , doesnt something ring a bell in your brain that amongst the spoils were GOLD, SILVER,DIAMONDS, GARMENTS, FINEWOODS and lots more, Chukwudi44 do you mean to tell me that you dont know that those things were the money or currency Men used back then? And again, Jacob in Gen.28:22 - Jacob said, if God would give him all that he asked for, then he would give back a [size=13pt]TENTH OF ALL[/size], hello? so becos Moses commanded the israelites in his era to give produce as tenths, do you mean to tell me that others never gave beyond that?[/quote]did you read this?,why titheing could be payed in money

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=307798.msg4400553#msg4400553 date=1250941186]now again let me explain a little about why it was all about crops and farm produces in The mosaic era as it appears you know little or nothing about what you're arguing about, When the Children of Israel came out of Egypt, God instructed Moses that the Israelites should not mingle themselves with any other nation as they belonged to Him(God) and Him alone lest they be defiled. Now the consequence of that instruction meant that no trading should be done by them with other nations (heathens) and as such, no essence for money, because he was to give them a portion each for every tribe of israel from the land of canaan. He knew there was no means of getting money as no trade-by-barter would exist, hence the flocks and produce would be the only means to still get them to maintain the ancestral but divine standard of tithing. this issue could create another topic if i go on and on.I wish you'll understand.[/quote]did you also read this? why Israelite gave tithe in food produce

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=307798.msg4400553#msg4400553 date=1250941186]Now to the other question you asked of why titheing should be daily, weekly, monthly?, my answer to you is this, i cant find any portion of the scriptures that said i should give daily, weekly, monthly, what i find is that i should give mine from my INCREASE, now i ask my self, how often do i get increase of my seed(income) the answer is MONTHLY of course, so then i tithe monthly, now another person could decide to gather up all their increase and offer at a stipulated date.Why should it be anyone's bizness if they do so, afterall "whatever we do, we do unto God and not unto man" (scriptures says)[/quote]Chukwudi even a little toddler who reads will understand this replies, even if you still insist on arguing more.

chukwudi44:
MY MAN STOP RANTING AND SHOW ME WHRE THE WORD STANDARD IS IN THEBIBLE AND WHERE IT IS USED TO DESCRIBE TITHING.

ths guy u are really pathetic i swear, now i am convinced beyond every reasonable doubt who you are,  how could you be asking him to show you where the word STANDARD is in the bible, gooosh, ok let me ask you, where in the bible was chukwudi mentioned , yet you know how the bible describes us. Men u r pathetic. just give up, you aint worth it. Tonye-t has explained what standards are , yet you come up now to ask him to show you where the word STANDARD is in the bible. again whre in the bible was the word bible mentioned yet dont u and me know what it means,na wa o

chukwudi44:
ALSO SHOW ME HOW THIS DEBASED STANDARD INCREASED TITHING FREQUENCY TO NOW DAILY,WEEKLY AND MONTHLY.

O boy, at least i have seen how Tonye-t explained it in the post he refered you to on saturday.

chukwudi44:
SHOW ME WHERE IN THE BIBLE CHRISTIANS APPLIED THIS SO CALLED STANDARD

asking asking asking stupid questions all the way,men u are just immatured, or better still a lil baby in the scriptures.sorry for my comments, u are just so much like those guys in my street, who will see white and yet would prefer arguing it as black

@Chukwudi44,

forgive me o, but so far as i know here you have been acting like a real mumu, no hard feelings pls, apologies to the OP, you know why

1. you no sabi debate, all you do is insult your neighbor

2. your arguments are just baseless, you argue here and there, one can not really read you posts and learn, because when you are presented with proofs you just jump the topic and bring another baseless issue. the OP from origin never mentioned that titheing should be made made in money, he stands on the point that it is a standard from origin and not part of the law, he even gave proofs from the scriptures. The next thing you did was to skip the issue and start asking him to show you where titheing should be made in money. what a pathetic discussant you are

3. Now let me add to his contribution, if you (chuwkudi44) is saying no one should give titheing in money, then i ask you, was there any place snce the origin of offering, where bible said we should give offerings in money?,  from the origin it has been with animal, so why dont you still go on and offer goats. there was a place in corinthian where Paul told the people to gather all their alms in money so that when he comes he will receive it and take it to Jerusalem. now why didnt paul tell them to gather their alms in livestocks and cattles and keep for him

4. what the OP is sayng is that Jesus clearly stated it in Matt.23:23 that they should keep justice, righteousnes and faithfulness without neglecting titheing too. what else do you want to be proved, for christ sake? are you more knowledgeable than Jesus himself who said one shouldbe kept without neglecting the other.

na wa o! even in the thread someone raised about idea of splitting tithe, all your comments there are so funny and x-rays you as a phoney. forgive my manners.

@Chukwudi,

you are so blind in ur sense of judgement! The guy (Tonye-T) plainly showed you passages in the OT that showed Burnt offerings and the likes to be LAW, no where was it seen that tithe was included as a law, ok he even went on to differentiate btw LAW and Ordinances and even precepts, and even explained that LAWS are made to guide how precepts should be followed and administered.

His explanations are so simple and clear yet you rather seem to be the one doing the crying, insulting and all worth not, come on cant you just read his posts one after the other and see for your self that maybe perhaps it could be your greed and biased mindset thats actually making you stay away from titheing, check out this quote he made :"just because something is abused and over exploited does make it bad afterall" rather what me and you are suppose to do is to find a way out of this bad shepherds who milk us dry and yet we go home not blessed but deceived

@Tonye-T

for once i have been able to see someone who could start up and say something so true of titheing. Tonye-T thank you, u just opened my eyes to know titheing better now. maybe titheing is not a bad idea only that its been badly exploited

thank you

so obama like this things too, imagine this ass hmmmmmmmmmm

pls i need ur candid opinions on this issue

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my Gz went to da club this weekend (20th) 3 of them, i didnt join them because i had some couple of projects to round off, just about 5am of 21st (ie. Sunday morning) lanre and briggs rushed in saying our friend was arrested, what happened i asked?

lanre said:

daniello as we fondly call him, got high in da club and saw a chic passing by, and on her blouse was written "TOUCH IT, IT WONT HURT" am sure some of us know this kind of blouses am talking about that females wear, and he touched her boobs, all of a sudden she started screaming, later some cats pulled her outside.

everyone thought the scenario was over, not when they say some 2 police security men came in and arrested dianello to the station for allegations of rape

when we called our lawyer friend, he simply said diannello should not write any statment of consention but claim that he only responded to a request on her shirt




peeps i bring this topic here, to seek your opinions, did my friend really harrased the chic or just responded to a request on her shirt?