The reason is because 70% of the church activities involve demanding for money under different sub-heads.

Anyway, I don't even care. If I no wan give, I no go give.

I'm always reluctant to leave my house to church on Sundays except I'm invited somewhere for an event.

Emary:


Your argument does not remove the fact that trousers were designed as unisex garments and as such, there is nothing wrong with a woman wearing trousers. Human beings set standards according to what they find suitable or comfortable at the time. In biblical days, men wore gowns. In the time of Jesus, it was a tunic which was a gown. Are you saying it was wrong for men to put on what is perceived as female clothing today?

The problem of many Christians today is that we are a lot like the Pharisees looking for trivial outwardly signs to fault our Christian brethren rather than focusing on the heart and true intentions.

Don't mind him.

I've asked him to state the difference between the tights their church women wear undeneath their skirts/gowns and the trousers because both wears have two partings.

Image123:


A grown human being is asking for the difference between underwear and outerwear.

Oga, learn to express yourself without insults.

For churches that forbid their women from wearing trousers, what differentiates trousers from tights? Doesn't both wears have two partings for the legs? Some even wear shorts underneath, what makes that right and the other wrong?

xamuell:
what you think is not true. I believe that the Bible, if I may was inspired of God. Written by man. Man is imperfect and susceptible to error. Therefore, the general idea of the Bible is true but the presentation could have errors. For God's sake the original language of the Bible is one which only few this day understand. In my understanding, do you know why the bible calls atheist fools? The have no idea of the bounds of reality(knew things keep being discovered. Have no idea what out there in entirety.) They encourage open mindedness but are not own minded enough to the possibility a creator. I will never force my idea on you but if my collective experience have driven me to
believe in God, a Christian one. I suggest you go with the flow and orientation life gives you. The truth will eventually show. If you have questions or contrary thoughts, please express kindly.

I'm not an Atheist. That's all I have to tell you.

Taciturn1:
That's the difference between religion and science. Religion is not based on sight alone. That's why freedom of religion is important, unless of course the religion involves hurting or killing people

You are right

KevUnique:


Granted, I mentioned your handle. Alright, sorry for that. And i am not angry. Or did I sound angry? Pls I was not. Aiit, take care.

It's alright Sir

Zontrident:

Sister you must have been hurt real bad
If I may ask are you a nigerian
There are higher powers controlling the world as we speak
During our traditional celebrations the chief priest usually summons spirits to come and dance in the form of masquerades
I seen some northern boys immune to metallic objects
In some igbo cultural festivals a man that was displaying his charms got hit on his bald head multiple times with a scratch only sparks flew out
And a host of others
Believing in a creator doesn't put me at a disadvantage anyhow most of the practices frowned at in the bible are mostly unhealthy lifestyles so there is no harm in believing in a creator
A man realizing that there is a greater purpose on earth is the day he lives his life to the fullest
Most atheists like you look at us believers like we are retarded but you don't fully understand what it is like to be blessed by the holy spirit
Don't be mistaken I'm a nerdy person I love science but looking at the things around me I am convinced in the existence of a higher power
I may not be the most religious person but I'll be you there is a God out there and a host of other gods

First of all, I'm not an Atheist

Secondly, I have choosen abide by the moral principles from the Bible because it has helped to be careful with my life overtime but that does not mean I have accepted God or Jesus (I have accepted them before by faith but that faith is dead now, so I'm not accepting again)

Thirdly, I'm not disputing that there are spirits. I'm only saying I've not experienced or seen any, so I choose not to believe. By the way, if the traditional spirits in Nigeria are working and they are seeking after the good of all, I would even prefer it to the Bible since that one originates from us.

Fourthly, you are right. I've been hurt badly that an "All-Powerful and Perfect" God created a perfect world and imperfect humans but expect the imperfect humans to make the keep the world world when He could have just created the humans perfect.

...and some schools just resumed

rolams:


For you have admitted that "There may be a spiritual being"

I rest my case!!!

Of course, there may be

rolams:


Funny you! Just reason right for once.

The book of God has talked about the discoveries the scientists are just discovering now thousands of years ago when there was no technology. Don't you think certain spiritual being must be behind it?

There may be a spiritual being but I can't conclude that there is

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Oga you don't need to get angry coz you're at fault here.

You quoted another person but you mentioned my moniker in that post, so it was included in my mentions.

Go and confirm what I'm saying.

I'm just replying my mentions

Taciturn1:
Yeah, that there is a belief in the perfection of the various religious texts, because they were inspired by the Creator.

So in summary, God the Creator and his message are perfect. Humans strive for soul/spirit perfection through His teachings found therein

The application of scientific knowledge isn't perfect either, even though the science may or may not be perfect

Many people will believe that their different and conflicting religion texts are perfect but everyone will not believe that.

Physical and verifiable proves will be accepted by all who can see

rolams:


God created the universe


Qur'an stated that, read these verses

Verily in the heavens and the earth are signs for those who believe. And in the creation of yourselves, and the fact that animals are scattered (through the earth), are signs for those of assured faith. And in the alternation of night and day, and that fact that Allah sends down sustenance from the sky, and revives therewith the earth after its death, and in the change of the winds, are signs for those who are wise
Qur'an chapter 45 verses 3-5

the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder"
Qur'an chapter 21 verse 30.

Allah "turned to the sky, and it had been (as) smoke. He said to it and to the earth: 'Come together, willingly or unwillingly.' They said: 'We come (together) in willing obedience
Qur'an 41 verse 11


Allah created the sun, the moon, and the planets, each with their own individual courses or orbits. "It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon; all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course
Qur'an 21 verse 33

More on the Expansion of the Universe

"The heavens, We have built them with power. And verily, We are expanding it" Qur'an chapter 51 verse 47

I can give you more.

Creation of man and others too

God created the universe and you begin to quote from Koran. I'm sure the Christian folks won't accept your opinion since you're not quoting the Bible.

You guys should stop quoting books abeg

Bring verifiable proves. Is it too much to ask?

kingy1:
Let me leave you with this last post. One greatest shame and embarrassment is a man boasting, cursing and abusing his benefactor thinking that he is not around and has left for work, but unknowingly to him, his benefactor has been watching and recording him from the behind window all this while. What will happen after knowing that he has been caught and recorded and he even get to watch the recordings also? Your guess is as good as mine. Have a nice day brother. I pray you get to see that which you have been searching for early enough. There is a misery in death that no man has been able to prove. A death (literally) in truth is more peaceful and rewarding that a death in assumption and falsehood. Thanks for your time.

Oga, make we rest this matter abeg.

I'm not forcing any "benefactor" on myself. I'm not asking for any "benefactor's" assistance.

KevUnique:


Madam, pls I asked u to kindly modify your last reply to me oh. It was not meant for everyone to see. I was always going to modify it after you musf have read and replied to me. Thanks for your cooperation.

OK. Sorry, I'll do something about it

KevUnique:

Hahaha @"for the past hundred years"
I quite agree with everything u have said. Google has really led them astray. Well, it added to what led them astray.
True! I always say this too that THE STRONG DESIRE TO LIVE THEIR LIVES THE WAY THEY PLEASE made many of them to dislike Jesus , God and all that is rightous. If they put themselves under God's authority they feel it will limiz them from having "fun' and "good times" as they please and wish. The allure that comes from fornication, covetousness, self-will and freedom seduces them to the point where they cannot imagine a life (daily routine) without all those false pleasures.
They want to not have their consciences hurt them on and on, so they feel it is BETTER AND EASIER TO GIVE UP believing in God and not have their conscience disturb them everyday telling them that they are not to commit sins.
It is all a smokescreen that they cannot see past , because they have hardened their minds(to an extent, their hearts too) and thus, have been allowed by God to believe the lies of gnostic, atheistic and other false view-points.

When I dey battle demons and witches, where all these ones they? Them never see anything that is why they run their mouths as they please. Some are claiming to be "woke" But in reality, they are deep asleep. We pity them but they insult us on a daily. But, that's fine. No beef there. No love lost.
They think life is all about enjoying pleasures and "self-will" Demons are happy when people doubt and don't recognise there is a true God, Yahweh.
As annoying as it is and sad that they do not believe, we cannot just ignore them because it is our calling to twll them anout Jesus. It is our spirits that compell us to respond to their arguements on NL and elsewhere. Othwrwise, someone like me could just ignore them and move on, but what will be my reward from the Master if I do so? We are but slaves (yes, we are!) and servants doing our Master's work as labourers in the world.
So, insults and mockery should never deter a true believer. Why? Because the believer already knows the truth about life and why we are here on earth. Remember the Bible even told us that in the End Times many people will depart from the Faith, but they were never really part of Us(Believers) For if they were, they will have never left Us. So, this and many more are reasons why i am not ever shocked to see unbelievers ridicule God. It was prophesied of old. But some of these people are still searching for answers and reasons and that is why they find it hard not to counter and argue about Christianity and God.
If one knew that the water in the sea was salt water and not fresh water would they then be arguing about it when someone else tells them that the Sea is a freshwater body? No they won't argue. They would see no point in trying to prove the other person wrong. But here they are trying to proove God to be fiction. This is because they are one way or another still INTERESTED in His matter. That ggirl4real is not done with Jesus and I know one day she will testify for, and of Him. All she and others need to do is TO HUMBLY seek God and not proudly insist God does what they want Him to do for them. Time shall tell! I know too much of God's goodness and power to be moved by whatever the world keeps discovering. I know all things created belong to God Almighty. I can't turn back. It's all love, people! Ain't nobody got time for hate. God made us all, afterall.

All these stories to convince unbelievers to give their lives to Christ when you can just beg God to show himself to the unbelievers for them to accept Christ easily.

Oga rest. You have every constitutional right to be a Christian and I have every right to be a Muslim or whatever I choose.

No matter how una preach am, the whole world cannot follow the Bible jare.

rolams:



Can God be made?

Can the universe be made?

rolams:


You should know that everything made must have their maker.

Read Qur'an too, you will find it amazing seeing all this discoveries being talked about in it.

So who made God?

SegFault:

The thing dey vex me.

Don't get so angry with them.

It's a product of many years of indoctrination, coupled with the religious but non-progressive environment we've found ourselves

kingy1:
'you don't think' (probability), not that you know. Is just like a man saying: i have forgiven the man that murdered my father (because he has not find the man) so, i don't think i will be vexed if i find him (he is not sure), and you expect the police to handover the man to him. What more of a man who knows the very heart of man, he knows their weaknesses and desires and also their various switches. there is a purification method for every potential ornament in the earth. The creator of all things has set his balance/purification method; you don't go to a king to give him your orders rather, you request for his orders. A king don't reduce his principles to accomodates his subjects but rather, the subject reduce their principles to solicit favour from the king. Peace bro.

You wanted me to say that God will cease to be God if He chooses to reveal himself to our generation? That will be an assumption from me.

I'm not forcing God to prove himself.

I have nothing to lose if He does not prove himself jare.

Let Him do whatever He chooses. I don't really care.

When the time comes (if it ever will), I'll also give him my reasons not to enter hell fire (if it exists)

KevUnique:



As real as I am, I will tell you this:- You will not get any proof! Not in the way you desire.
You are not doing us and God a favour if you choose to love Him. It is for your own good.
I have seen what you have not seen before. But even before I saw these things, i had already believed in God and Jesus.

God is not doing me a favour if He chooses not to prove himself to me.

I have not been to witchcraft occult before, so I can't tell what you've seen

I don't need to know your experience with evil. I don't know evil and evil does not know me.

I don't attribute anything I face to some spiritual elements. I'm only concerned about what I can see and feel and my mind is at peace with that.

I don't need your contact please.

SegFault:

Chai, you guys should realise that it is stupid and close minded to argue God's existence using a book filled with too many inconsistencies, not to mention the fact that there are hundreds of religions.

Will they ever listen?

They keep arguing with so much confidence as if they would have been Christians if they were born to Muslim parents in Muslim dominated countries

kingy1:
'being on your own': but you can't actually tell if you are on your own, you can only assume. This is because you can't tell how you come to existence. Is a very deep world, i tell you; deeper than anything we read, experience, hear and so on. There is a model to everything in life, the formular for oxygen is not same for hydrogen, trying to use one for the other is liken unto illitracy. God open your heart to see what others have saw that makes them dump their certificate, abardon their families, their desires and follow. Peace brother.

It's OK

Thanks for your time

Righteousness89:


Condolences to Her Family ..

As long as we are still on Earth, Sorrows ,Pain and all that will continue.

It's in Heaven that all that is Perfectly and Permanently taken away..

That's why We need to do all we Should to Ensure we Make Heaven. It's a Place no one Should Miss.

Accepting JESUS and Living in Holiness and Righteousness is the Visa to Heaven

There is no Tears, Pain, Sorrows and all that in Heaven..

I Have Made up My Mind, I Must Make it..

This one you are quoting my post to talk about heaven. Na wa o

I'm not making any plans to go to any heaven oo

Childofaking:


God is the one who created them and me and you.

"...For, behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth..." Isaiah 65:17

A planet that can sustain life that was not there before is being discovered, this should make you ask questions about what the word of God has said before.

Oga, the Bible was not written by you

Some intelligent folks people could have just sat down to arrange and write those things

What I'm saying is that the Bible is not an authentic prove of God's existence.

That does not mean that you are wrong to believe in the Bible. At the same time, others who don't believe in the Bible are not wrong too

kingy1:
On the issue of evangelism, GOD is only desirous of quality rather than quantity, the reason he sets his filter At the highest level for proper screening and one of such filter is faith without seeing and touching. Have you not heard that even many that claim to have believed will also be damn. This is because, faith is just the key to open the door.

Sir, everyone cannot believe based on faith.

This is because faith can be shaky sometimes

I don't think God will cease to be God if He reveals Himself convincingly to our generation.

kingy1:
Do you know i am also a realist, but a strong believer in GOD. This is because GOD has become a reality to me. I have witnessed GOD use my immediate younger brother to reveal their own secret to them, things they will encounter in a month time, heal their long standing diseases, and even convert cultist: this is a boy in his early twenties. Why i have not been able to do same, should that then make me an unbeliever. Does an investor of #100000 get same profit as that who invested #5000, ceteris paribus?

Beautiful

God has revealed himself to you and your brother. Congrats.

He has not revealed himself to me so I can believe that He may not actually exist.

You have an encounter, I don't have. That's the difference.

Since He chooses to hide himself from me, I'm fine being on my own

I'm not asking again

kingy1:
I was actually answering your questions. But is obvious you didn't get the point. Does the characters in a video game have any power over the players. Even if they choose to complain that, i am all alone and no one is controlling me, should that really bothers the players. Have you ever try to ponder on the origin of your many thoughts and how they do conflict or complement each other some times and even tend to increase or lower your heart rate some times?

I still don't understand what you're driving at o. Sorry

The origin of my many thoughts is from my brain and observations in my environment. Abi no be so?

Saig:


You are not sure does not mean He is not there. I am sure He exists that's why I'm telling you. Doesn't the orderliness of the universe with it's magnificent and accurate design tell you there is someone behind it??

I can choose to believe that the universe created itself in such an orderly manner

You choose to believe that someone is behind the orderliness of the universe.

None of us has proves.

We are only believing what we choose.

KevUnique:

After reading this i feel as if i wasted my time on advising and encouraging you in that other thread few days ago. Pls and pls, be watchful. God is this same God who created this newly discovered planet which u marvel at. May God give you understanding. Amen. I mean no disresespect to you.

I understand your point Sir.

You can't advise me more than my spiritual fathers have done. I need verifiable proves of God's existence, not advise.

Thanks for your concern.

kingy1:
why do those who so much believe in science always abuse those, in some cases some are even physically attacked for their unbelieve in science? This is because of the weight of negativity unbelief carries, pretty much with GOD. also, there is a reason we hold people in high esteem, one of such ways is the value they occupy in our hearts even before seeing and touching, due to what we hear them do. Not so? Do you know the theory of contempt: that which you have seen couple of times nolonger appeals to you as it was initially. I am speaking like a man.

I'm sure many Christians also believe in science so I don't understand your first statement.

Please I don't understand your second statement

I don't understand your third statement too

Generally, many Christians see "unbelievers" as people who are already condemned for hell fire (your Bible supports their mindset anyway). For this reason, they cease every opportunity to preach to these unbelievers even when the unbelievers are not interested .

You find these Christians in public markets, public buses, road junctions, social media, etc; screaming and disturbing the entire neighbour with threats such as "Repent or you go to hell fire" bla bla bla. You won't find someone in people who believe in science behaving that way, so I think Christians attack unbelievers the more.

Christians should stop disturbing everyone with their beliefs. Everyone has the right to believe what they want.

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