Myer:
The whole idea of Christianity is all about how Christians are to be identifiable by the grace of God upon them, their relationship with the Holyspirit and living in victory iover enemies and challenges through faith in Christ.

I have been a Christian but this was not my reality. Which made me question the bible.

Recently a christian pastor murdered his own wife just like an unbeliever could. Which makes me question, is there even any difference between a Christian and others?

No difference ooo

At least, not in Nigeria

Some unbelievers are even more morally upright than Christians who should be showing examples.

From Pastors to customers, sorry members, they live as they like afterall "SALVATION IS BY FAITH, NOT BY WORKS". "ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED"

Yes

He can choose to love one and hate the other (Remember the story of Esau and Jacob)

He can choose to favour one and allow the other to suffer

He can choose to put one in hell fire and put the other in heaven

He can just do whatsoever He likes and you have no right to question His authority

ABCthings:
I didn't believe merely because the Bible said it. My whole life is my prove.

Events in my life are too organize to be just a coincidence...

That is still a belief and you have the right to do so

Someone else may be experiencing the same bliss you do but believe that it is another god that is responsible or that life just happens to be fair to him. It is all about BELIEFS, no PROVES

ABCthings:
Yes. If I wasn't then I would be a fool to rely on him.

I'm sure you don't have proves of His existence except the Bible so why did you ask CAPSLOCK if he is sure that God does not exist?

Don't you think you both are just believing what you believe without proves?

delkuf:
We are human beings sister. If you are waiting for God to appear to you, you may wait forever. repent from your sins and come to Christ.

I'm not a sinner so I need no repentance

ABCthings:
Are sure are you that he doesn't exist? 100%?

Are you sure He exists?

iamvictorbassey:
You were given life to live, you don't know how you came to be. The person lying to you doesn't know either, but you just woke up one morning and began to lie to everybody because some white people handed you a hard cover text book, now you're forcefully trying to shove your opinion down everyone's throat. You further went on to call anyone who doesn't believe a fool.

You, a creature you claim you know the story of the creation. Are you saying you were on tour with the creator while he/she/they was/were creating?

You, a living being you claim to know what lies after death, are you saying you've died before seen the other side and returned?

If none of us has any certainty, why lie? Why force your doctrines and imaginations on others?

You saw all this via the inspiration of the holy spirit right? How is it authenticated? And why is it that if some people claim the holy spirit asked them to do somethings, some of you argue? If I claim now that the holy spirit asked me to drop my account info and everyone reading this should empty his account into mine, why would you say the holy spirit cannot say such a thing? And if you don't believe mine why should I believe yours?

A goat dies, monkey dies (Everyone: Oh! The goat is dead. A human dies (His soul blah blah blah, his spirit blah blah blah, and so on)).

Oga, when you die, your organs have failed. You're dead. No more no less.

Don't mind them. They should keep defending what they can't prove

delkuf:
That is the beauty of Christianity.
You go against the will of you husband that you live and see every day, how will you obey a God that may just appear to once or few times in a year. You are just using it as an excuse. We see ourselves every day and still steal from ourselves, kill ourselves and do bad to ourselves, even if God appear to us every day, we would still disobey him. The question is not God appearing to you, the question is if we truly want to obey God. If your husband, maybe a job assignment comes up and have to leave for a year, will you still be obeying his will like you are when he is with you. My sister, leave all this filthy excuse, and take the decision for your life. Not just this life but for the eternal life

Oga, you can't conclude if I will obey Him or not

Let Him appear first

post=94118403:

This is so true.
We can only pray for such people.
The devil is always happy when he sees things like this.
Jesus is Lord Forever and ever.

Ggirl4real, JESUS LOVES YOU SO MUCH

Don't mention

Tell Him I love Him too since He loves me

delkuf:
I like the fact that you said we are just believing. All God want from us is to believe him even without seeing him.
Though you can go to any other church, but what am saying is your husband has is own will. So since your husband has his own will, and you don't want to make him unhappy by going against his will, why go against God's will. God will for us is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Lord Jesus Christ is no longer here on earth, so we are to believe God without seeing him. Now you want God, and when I mean God am also talking about the Lord Jesus Christ, to appear to you first before you believe him. If you respect your husband enough by sticking to his will even though might be pleasing to you(some of your husband will might be pleasing to you), why shouldn't you just respect and accept God's will by believing in him even without seeing him

I live with and see my husband everyday.

Have I seen God before? No

Why should I just follow the will of someone I've never seen? It's absurd Sir

Nooil:


How can you preach from the Bible, want people to follow the lifestyle of Christ and you still don't believe in the Christian God? Which lifestyle are you now preaching?

Nne, I rest my case...

Don't mind me

delkuf:
No. You are doing it with an bias mind. And has shown in what you wrote earlier. You want God to appear to you and God want you to believe in him even without seeing him. Why don't you just love and respect God's will.

Why can't God respect my desire.

If He appears to me, does He cease to be God?

jmoore:


So you know exactly the model a Christian should follow?

You were confused before but not confused now.

Focus on the Christians and allow unbelievers to believe what they want

Everyone cannot and will never be Christians no matter the preaching

Nooil:


Just go easy with the unbeliever's freedom so you don't have a lot of regrets when you're back. Typing from experience.

When you choose God, one single backsliding and the devil will do everything possible to destroy your life before you make it back to God.

You can call it backsliding if you choose

I live a morally upright life. I try to be a good citizen of Nigeria

I even still preach the Bible to Christians if that will make them change their ways and follow the lifestyle of Christ.

I won't "make it back" to the Christian God without tangible proves that He is real. I'm tired of Bible stories

jmoore:



You are not an atheist?
Chai!!

So Christianity is your major problem?

Obviously you love death sentence by the Muslims.

I leave in South South, Nigeria

Although I read about the extremism of the Muslims, I have never had any relationship with them before

However, from what I read online, the Muslims are worst

Religion is supposed to solve problems but in Nigeria, that is not the case.

Both Christianity and Islam have failed

What I can only advise is that Christians like you should focus more on convincing your fellow believers to live the life of Christ and stop tarnishing the image of the once respected religion.

Unbelievers are not the problem here but Christians who are not even practicing what they preach.

delkuf:
If you want to experience God personally, can you just with an unbiased mind go to him in prayer. pray as if you are talking to someone. Tell him to proof himself to you. only him can reveal himself to you. And do this believing

I've done that for 25 years and I'm not longer interested.

If He wants me to know Him and follow Him,, He knows what to do

delkuf:
What do you mean by reveal. Do you want to see God's face.
And be side, let me ask you this question. why did you think your husband will not allow go to another church, my guess is that, your husband's will must be done. And if your husband is like my Father, there is nothing you tell him that will make him accept. So it is. There are some things about God that you can't possibly question. it is his will, just like your husband's. You cannot change that. Do you know who God is. God is not your husband or president buhari that you can question. There are some things you cannot tell buhari to do, he won't. that is a man not to talk of the Almighty God. The Creator of heaven and Earth and everything in it. If you want evidence, that fact that you can breathe is enough evidence. Do you know how this body was formed. Or you think is the sex you did that creat human. How can a tiny little water that you can't see with your eyes produce a human. Is that not enough proof that there God. What you want is not evidence that God exist, you know God exist. You have doubt about God because of your past experiences. Please don't because of your doubt bring the wrath of God on you

Will God cease to be God if He reveals His face to humans?

My husband will not be happy if I attend another church but that does not mean that I can't ignore his unhappiness and do as I like, I'm not just interested in attending any other church except the only thing they do there is singing Gospel music.

Do you have prove that we are able to breathe because of God? No. You just believe because the Bible says it is so. THE BIBLE IS NOT A PROVE. The same applies to other examples you mentioned.

I'm not saying God is not responsible for creation of humans, ability to breathe and all that because I can't prove that. I'm only saying, if you claim that a God is responsible, THEN PROVE IT.

If you can't prove it, it means you're not different from me. We are just BELIEVING.

You believe that God created the world but you don't have generally accepted proves while I also believe that God may not have created the world but I don't have generally accepted proves.

When you have problems, seek for practical and realistic solutions


There's almost no problem in this life that does not have a practical solution. Most times the solution may be financial, save up gradually and solve the problem.

If the problem is beyond you, give up and try something else


If you hang them on Jesus, you'll wait forever if He does not want to provide solution and you can't question Him.

jmoore:


Some of your fellow atheists believe that Apes are their cousins. Why do you not believe them too?

See your own confusion that you have overlooked while pointing at others confusion that doesn't really exist.


Christianity is your problem but you spend most of your time in the religious section of nairaland.

Oga, I am not an Atheist because I cannot prove that God does not exist

At the same time, I am not a Christian because I cannot prove that God exist

As for spending time in RELIGIOUS section, it is RELIGIOUS section, not Christians section. Even if it were to be Christian section, this is social media now.

I won't come to church to challenge Pastors but when you bring religious matters online (with the aim of getting new converts), I'll have to ask questions when I'm confused now.

He cannot send his wives away now

By the way, does the Bible explicitly say it is a sin to marry more than one wife? I doubt

It's only Bishops, Pastors and church leaders that were commanded to marry only one

Let's wait for the Christians sha

They'll have better opinions

By their fruits you shall know them

Christians should reflect the lifestyle of Christ in their daily lives

You can't be a Christian in church and live like an unbeliever when the Pastor is not seeing you

This is common in Nigeria

We like to boost about our achievements

delkuf:
That means you shouldn't be criticizing Christians here. Many pastor have mess up. they have make people start doubting Christ and his good work on the cross, but that doesn't mean Christ hasn't complete the work of salvation. All it takes, is to hear the word of God from a different angle that they have heard it before. So madam please find a way to reconnect back to Christ. If your husband church is not doing well with that, convince him to find a new church. remember, Christ is coming soon. And on that, your husband will not stand for you. it is you and Christ. Though I want peace for your marry too, but know that it is a personal race. thank you and have a blessed day

Yes, the pastors have contributed but the bulk of the blame goes to God.

I mean, why does one need to beg forever before God can reveal Himself to people?

How do you just expect everyone to just believe that there's a God without tangible proves?

It can't work like that

OP, they'll tell you that they will be judged based on the good laws of their lands and their moral uprightness

Yes

Producing or drinking alcohol is not a sin

Drinking in excess (getting drunk) is what the Bible is against

Many people are waking up to the sham of religion these days, including ladies

I'm sure there are irreligious ladies around you, some are yet to come out public for fear of rejection by friends and families

Except you hate religious people so much, you can still settle for a religious lady (the type that is not easily brainwashed by Pastors ooo. You will know through your conversations).

She can still be doing her religion while you do your own

Keep searching, you'll find your match soon

delkuf:
This is a deal. Try prove me wrong. We are in a forum of millions of people, they are watching. We can start the count down. Even I give one month. Just four Sundays and if you don't encounter Christ in a whole new way, I will deactivate my account. Are you ready

I would like to accept the challenge but I can't

I live with my husband and he won't accept that I attend another church when I refuse to follow him to his own.

I want peace in my home, at least he doesn't force me to be a Christian nor follow him to church.

You can be praying for me sha (although I believe that prayer does not work)

Okuda:


God is God you cannot question his way of things. what you are writing is not what i said. what i mean os that sometimes God uses situation that dont even follow the book to fulfil his will. i believe strongly of that girl had a heart of repentance and accepted that prayer, she would go to heaven but i am not God. i am only speaking from what i understand of him.

What if she didn't have a heart of repentance but accepted the prayer prayed on her behalf? Will she still make heaven?

If God wants me to make heaven (if there's any), He can and will include my name in the list. He is powerful enough to do that.

However, if God chooses to send me to hell fire (if there's any) because I'm an unbeliever despite living a morally upright life, then who I'm I to challenge the All-Powerful God?

Okuda:


even if she did not open her mouth to confess but her heart was repentant and accepted his prayers, there is a high chance she would still make heaven. this is my understanding. i am not God though.

OK Sir

delkuf:
Maybe your pastor or any body that surrounded you where teach the good word of God. I want make a deal with you, if I invite you to my Church and within two months, you are not singing a new song, then I will deactivate from nl. sometimes where we are matters. you can be in a church that limit, because the pastor cannot give what he don't have. I can boast of God that if you met him the right way, you won't be saying what you are saying. Are you in for that deal??






Note: Christianity is not magic. it is a process. it is a way of life. if you stay in that process, that is where the blessings come

I still attend church and fellowship once in a while

Nothing makes sense to me except gospel music

Maybe if I will ever return, I will be transformed through music


Most times, I stay at home and play gospel music on Sundays. Sing, dance and jump in the house. That's the only thing that makes sense to me right now.

The Bible does not make sense to me because I believe that since I was not there to witness when those Bible events happened, I can't prove that they actually happened. For that reason, I just refuse to believe.


On your suggestion, it is not workable for me because I have a special level of hatred for Pastors, especially those who have no jobs aside the church. I see their churches as business centres. What this means is that a Pastor cannot convince me because I hate them.

Okuda:


its a lie. your sunday school teacher is not God. if she asked God for forgiveness just for the fact of her condition and she could not confess those sins esoecially to the people she offended, she would make it to heaven.

In the OP's example, the sick person did not confess by herself, will she still be forgiven?