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dreaizy:
I feel unqualified to comment here because I only saw season 6 of GOT due to GRRM being too lazy to finish a book in five years, but I feel like the writing was poor don't get me wrong the show was good but with the material they had they should have done better.too many potholes,poor understanding of the world of ice and fire, it feels like the writers just want things to happen even if they don't add up

You should also consider that a book is a million times easier to write/produce than a movie. Most especially shows whose per episode budget is extremely low compared to movies.

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Seun:
Does someone want to do an app for IOS?

Might be wrong but don't think there are many ios devs here.

abubaka101:
Nice idea. But then what about the Sections? Where should they be kept/displayed? If you place a link in them in the drawer it could do the trick but not everybody would clearly see it.

Instead, I think the tabs should still be there so the user can swipe to see all the Nairaland sections and the top three sections already most viewed by the user.

Each section has a lot of subsections. I have put the sections as tabs in a forum drawer item menu in an update i am working on. Only problem is where to put the subsections.

abubaka101:
Yh, den spend hundreds of hours debugging code, writing algorithms, understanding advanced concepts you need but don't yet know. Guy, you won't know until you spend your first 4 weeks debugging a code that "use to work well" but stopped.
And if Devil one wicked persin, you Google the problem but the only Stack Overflow question about it has had no reply in 5 years.
God programming is fun and annoying at the same time.

Haha. I have spent 2 days on a code that "used to work well" . Very terrible experience.

Yeah, a drawer is better than tabs.

dhtml18:
Of course you are right, I was just trying to incite an argument jare, the board is too dry, we need more e-fights to make it lively.

By the way, your nairaland client is very lovely too, i appreciate good things.

Thanks.

Well, it's dry because coders are busy coding. I hardly have time for social networking nowadays sef

dhtml18:
O yeah, there is a way to make your tabs scroll - i meant those icons. Then you can also do the swiping navigation stuffs.

Let us assume you display 20 tabs, and the device can only show 4 due to screen size. You can use your hand to swipe to display the hidden tabs.
I have done this before, I just cant remember the correct name of the controls - this is what happens when you use to many technologies.

You can also make responsive layouts in android based on screen sizes or even orientation of device. So forget the guidelines, they are for NOOBS.

But then you should not flout the guidelines unless you really have to. But all this same, this is a great design - if you have a better one, please show us instead of running your mouth recursively anyone spewing JARGBAJANTIS.

The ui guidelines are for the benefit of users not devs. It shows what the average user will expect from your app. If you have a scrolling viewpagger, there is a high chance that a user will not realize that. Also, as Seen from the screenshot , he has more than six.

His UI beats mine 10 to 1. Mine is more of a proof of concept, i am still working on the final. Check my signature.

marvelife:
how bro? Am trying to follow order

Ignore him

Great ui.

Just something tho. Android UI guidelines says not more than 6 tabs or so

Impera:
i need a good programmer to develop a software for me. do drop your email so i can reach you

Hit me meetjgibson@googlemail.com

Lmao. Nice title

Like seriously, the title of this thread makes NO SENSE.

Nihilist:
I always try not speculate about any factors that have not been explicitly or implicitly expressed on the show.

This is not the long first winter, and the guys who originally defeated the white walkers and had the presence of mind to put up a gigantic wall like that, would have done the same on the coast if a frozen sea was a factor.

Also a decision to walk over a frozen sea to bypass the wall raises questions of geographic knowledge, cartography, etc. It would require specialist navigational skills...skills that the show has not hitherto hinted as being part of the night kings repertoire.

So for these reasons, I will discount the theory of frozen seas.

So far, all we know is that the dead cannot currently pass the wall due to magical barriers. We also know that the night king can bypass these protections by piggybacking on the branded stark. Finally we know that Branded stark knows these facts as well.

I think that it would be incredibly selfish for Branded to cross the wall in the knowledge that he is literally the only known channel for crossing the wall available to night king.

It appears that night king can appear to branded stark almost immediately as well, so there's no guarantee that Bran would make it to Jon before the night king decides to show up.

For that reason, I think it would be gross irresponsible for Branded to cross that wall as things currently stand 9

We also know that the wall doesn't surround the whole of Westeros. How did that girl that served the starks cross? (Or didn't she? Am not sure) . Anyway, this winter is rumored to be the longest i think

Nihilist:
You might be right.

But be that as it may, it would appear that the night king had hitherto been unable to cross that wall, until the show cast branded stark as a plot device that could potentially serve as a vehicle for the night king's machinations on the south.

I mean if all it took to cross the magical barrier of the wall was a branding, then craster could have served the purpose. He's not far from the wall and already has a working relationship with the nights watch. Or any one of the nights watch company could have been captured and branded during their occasional forays beyond the wall.

That's why i think that the branded stark was and is especially significant. I don't think the night king can piggy back on just anybody. Which again leaves me to think that branded stark can just avert the whole showdown by killing himself or letting himself get killed. At the very least, he can delay the invasion until another raven is born and ventures beyond the wall to get himself branded as well.

Craster? I doubt Craster has any magical powers unlike bran. Also, they wouldn't be building that much army (99 Craster sons or so + mill of wights) if he didn't have a way. Maybe the winter gives them strength or whatever.

ewerex:
VOTE FOR THE RIGHT MAN
HE AWAIT YOUR VOTE PLEASE

It's soo disturbing how your lips match the wall paint

udysweet:
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snezBaba:
Like seriously,people need to watch Big bang theory,baddest stuff.Probably the science and English stuff discourage pple.I downloaded season 1 to 8 after watching only 3 episodes

It's more romance now and less sciency. I used to follow religiously but i now watch occasionally

moski5:
I'm guessing yu bliv Jon's a gr8 leader,
Jon to me wud better serve as a follower till he has an inclination of wat ruling is about, as a book reader yu wud ve followed his progress, he had gr8 leaders ahead n had friends guiding him, yu kno y he was killed buk tinz
Jon as a person thumbs up as a leader no no.

I'm not saying all his decisions wer bad tho
he has d potential of been a Gr8 leader

I haven't read the books but looking at the hands he has been dealt on the show, he is a good leader. He knows the right thing and tries to do it damn the consequences.

Ramsay or any other ruler would have murdered the other lords for refusing h but he didn't do that because of the bigger picture.

He brought the Wildlings to the other side of the wall because of the bigger picture.

He was elected lord commander with maester Aemon (a very wise man) voting for him

Unlike Robb, He betrayed the girl he loved because of the bigger picture

He led the battle at the wall after Thorne fell

He is a good man and a better leader. That is how he is portrayed in the show. He is a stark and starks are honorable people

I don't really love Jon, he is just another character to me. I love Arya, the red woman and cercei. When i say love, i mean it's their story i am more interested in.

moski5:
its not news
Jon snow accounding 2 d Got world is a bad leader, Too emotional, he actually deserved his first death at least according to d buks

We love him cos he's loyal, kind n family oriented doesn't mean he's a gr8 leader

I think yu r letting your Lv 4 him cloud your judgment

He wasnt a bad leader and didn't deserve the death. He tried to do the right thing like his Foster father and it got him killed. That's like saying Ned is a bad person.

Also, just to end the argument about time traveling and jetpacks


http://www.moviefone.com/2016/06/28/game-of-thrones-varys-arya-travel/

SIRcumalot:
Jon becoming the leader of the north was always the end game it is the manner in which it was handled that am not so comfortable with,some of these guys pledging allegiance probably fought against Jon.
the excuses for the coming war is pale since only the wildlings and Jon have actually seen the whitewalkers the other northern lords haven't.
as for the red wedding avenging,the Frey's are still around to the best of the northern lords knowledge,except news of Arya's actions don reach the north.
the Lannisters are also still around.
plus the knight of the vale stole his thunder against the Bolton's

I don't want to sound like am nitpicking I like Jon snow as the king in the north I just wanted it to be airtight. the illegitimacy is still another issue.

They didn't fight against him. It was just 2 houses that did. The great ones. That is why Ramsay needed the fight to happen in the open so that he can show the rest that he is a good commander.

They might not have seen the WW but they believe him. Remember before hardhome, only Jon and Sam had seen them but they believed them anyway.

Nihilist:
It really irritates me how so many people have been quoting me to chat the weakest bollocks. If you made decent points, I would even concede, but your smug arrogant post is really based on nothing but an attempt to play around semantics.

Even when I quote the characters verbatim, it's not enough.

Glover said he didn't send any more men to the starks because Robb got himself and his men killed, and that's true. The red wedding happened because Robb reneged on a deal - a decision that his more politcally savvy mum and advisers warned would have serious consequences.

Before the broke the deal, Robb was warned. During the wedding itself , Lord Frey explains his motives for the murders. After the wedding, Glover blames Robb.

I cannot for the life of me understand how any right thinking person would try to even argue that point.

What does this have to do with Jon snow? How does it show that Jon snow is a bad leader?

Again, Jon goes to Manderly to ask for men. Manderly refuses because he feels that if he sends his men with Jon, they will die for nothing. Again, I cannot see how this does not connote questioning of jon's Judgement. A leader says come with me, you refuse, but you're not questioning his leadership? You say Manderly is merely "skeptical". Check your dictionary for the meaning of that word, and you will find that it is 'synonymous' with the word 'questioning'!

The discussion with Lyanna is probably the clearest argument there. Jon came to ask for men for his own battle against Ramsay and got shut down quick. It was only when Davos raised the spectre of the white walkers coming for then all, that she decided to join them.

He wasn't questioning Jon's leadership. He didn't want his men to die anymore than they already have. You and i can agree that in war, men die from both sides. No matter if you win or lose. He doesn't know about Jon's leadership qualities because he has never seen him lead.

How can Aliser poison the minds of a group of subordinates against a leader that they trust? How? How?

Out of all your points, this is the most moot. You know that not everyone was in support of the Wildlings coming across the wall. Or are you saying Jon snow's decision to bring the Wildlings over was a bad one? Are the nights watch not the same people who killed Jon snow's predecessor? Or did they kill him too because he was a bad leader?

Mate the post you quoted was not addressed to you. And if you have opposing views, then by all means share them on the thread. But please don't quote me to post such utter rubbish. Please don't waste my time.

Sorry to say but the only rubbish is coming from your side of the conversation. When you Google something and see a POV then you decide to follow it religiously. Merely the fact that he was elected 2ice as head should already tell you that he is not a bad leader.

Nihilist:
I may have to be more discriminating when deciding to who to respond to in future

I will try and answer your post, not because I believe it is of any particular value or worth replying, but just to show how events as they happened are considered irrelevant, when the defence of a beloved character is of utmost concern. Seems like even the facts are not allowed to get in the way of your narrative

For instance.


This is a bold faced lie.

Lord Glover on why he refused to answer Jon -

"Yes, my family served House Stark for centuries. We wept when we heard of your father's death. When my brother was Lord of this castle he answered Robb's call and hailed him King in the North! And where was "King" Robb when the Ironborn attacked this castle? When they threw my wife and children in prison and brutalized and killed our subjects? Taking up with a foreign wh0re... getting himself and those who followed him killed."

You can see that Glover is clearly questioning Stark Leadership here....No mention of the word 'Bastard'

Lord Manderly on why he refused to answer Jon -

""Lady Mormont speaks harshly... and truly. My son died for Robb Stark, the Young Wolf. I didn't think we'd find another king in my lifetime. I didn't commit my men to your cause because I didn't want more Manderlys dying for nothing."

Again the questions of leadership is raised, framed against a concern that Jon would have the Manderlys die for nothing'

Both Lords are very particular in pointing out that the safety of their men was of utmost priority, and neither one of them felt that Jon could guarantee their continued safety.



Another bold faced lie. Davos never sold Jon to Lyanna as a great leader. Instead he appealed to her instinct for self-preservation.

His speech below

"Jeor Mormont and Jon Snow both understood that the real war isn't between a few squabbling houses. It's between the living and the dead. And make no mistake my lady, the dead are coming."
As long as the Boltons hold Winterfell, the North is divided. And a divided North won't stand a chance against the Night King. You want to protect your people my lady, I understand. But there's no hiding from this. We have to fight. And we need to do it together"


I agree...which is why I did not focus on that in isolation. Like I said, he saved some of them from the whitewalkers and then offered them sanctuary at Castle Black doing away with a tradition that has held several centuries, and at the expense of his own life...yet these guys are still reluctant to fight for him at Winterfell. He has made enormous sacrifices to keep the wildlings alive, and yet was still unable to muster their loyalty without help- HOW COME?


This is exactly the point. The Lord Commander of the night's watch perfomed an noble act that was morally right. Yet his subordinates disagreed so strongly with his decision that they actually chose to MURDER HIM. If that is not the biggest exhibit of a lack of faith in his leadership, then I don't know what is.

I'm done with this debate. I cannot continue to repeat myself and deal with the same non-coherent arguments time and again.

No vex bo

Lord commander Monmouth was murdered too. Are you saying he was murdered because he was a bad leader?

Nihilist:
I'm beginning to think that it is impossible to have either a civil and/or a measured discussion about this show.
I'm not sure that if I should be continuing this discussion, if after reading multiple posts of mine discussing just one particular facet of Jon Snow's character traits, your conclusion is that I hate Jon Snow...and for NO reason.

I remember I raised this point a few pages back:



I was reading an interview with Sophie Turner, and this is what she had to say:


http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-7-spoilers-jon-sansa-littlefinger-marry-theory-sophie-turner-1201805047/


Another interview with Sansa here:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-finale-sophie-turner-906820



Now listen to Kit Harrington himself on Jon Snow:



I don't hate Jon Snow, but I think he's a disastrous leader. Pre-BoB, he had only really been trusted as a leader by an immature child and an ignorant wildling. That's why I could not understand why the Nothern Lords were so eager to trust him. Shikena.

Didn't the nights watch elect him lord commander? Maester Aemon had the last vote and voted for him. Is Maester Aemon an immature child too? And those that killed him obviously weren't those that voted for him

Nihilist:
The same guys that elected Jon Snow ended up publicly executing him , so what exactly is your point?

If you look at each of the events I've mentioned, you will see that generally people just don't seem to believe in Jon for whatever reason.

Take the Wildlings for example. Jon warned them of white walkers which gave some of them time to escape. He defied customs that had stood for centuries by allowing the wildlings beyond the wall for their personal safety, and even lost his life for this decision in the process!

Yet the wildlings were still reluctant to fight for him until Tormmund yet again had to intercede

Sansa, his own sister was prepared for him for him to ride his men to certain death , rather than hand him control of the Vale armies.

One event could be bad luck. 2 could be coincidence. 3 is a trend.

Just to confirm that I'm not mad, I Googled 'Jon Snow is a Terrible leader' and found all sorts of publications agreeing with me for the EXACT same reasons I've given - from NY times to Playboy.

I know the guy is a popular character, but I thought it would be pretty obvious that he has severe leadership flaws.

Finally, I really don't appreciate your final sentence saying I'm arguing for arguments sake. I have had to remind you a couple of times now. Attack my argument, not my person. If you feel you are incapable of doing this, then don't quote me. I can be quite nasty myself.

Are you saying that no one voted for Thorne? Because doesn't it make more sense to reason that it was those that voted for Thorne that executed him.

How can they fight for him when it wasn't their war? Do you carry your sword and fight for anyone just because you like them? The agreement was to fight against the WW. It is very foolish to fight a war that you have no business fighting.

Won't you agree with me that the custom is a suseless custom? The wall wasn't put up because of Wildlings, it was put up against those who wish to do them harm. And the Wildlings right now do not fall in that category.

You say he is a bad leader and no one believes in him yet he was ELECTED lord commander. And now, king in the north.