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OkaiCorne:
Do you wish to explore more written TRUTH outside the Bible? I can give you some materials.

But I will sound a note of warning, do not absorb everything in these materials hook, line and sinker. Remember that the TRUTH never contradicts itself ...in case certain things begin to look a bit confusing.

There's the book of Jasher to start with (a reference was made to it in the book of Joshua).

And you are 100certain Joshua wrote it?

OkaiCorne:
It's well my brother. Let us get something clear here.

TRUTH owes no allegiance to any religion, rather it's the other way around.

The only reason I still go to Church is because Jesus lived and died for the TRUTH, and has made the hustle to Heaven too easy for those who figure it out eventually.

There are a few other enlightened souls that once passed through this realm of existence.

As a Christian, I advice that you focus on the teachings of Jesus alone for a start. From there the rest of the Bible and life generally would make sense.
I have studied all sorts of dangerous books from a tender age of 6, just because of curiosity...and I almost missed the narrow way of TRUTH!

At the end of it all...it is better to have something to die for, rather than nothing to live for.

I retereite, 'It is better to have something to die for, than have nothing to live for.

***Clapping***

OkaiCorne:
THE PARABLE OF THE GOOD AGNOSTIC

1) A certain man travelled down from Ibadan to Lagos and fell into the hands of merciless armed robbers. The robbers beat him silly, took all his money and valuables and wounded him to the point of near death.

2) After the incidence, a Winners member drove past slowly and on seeing the wounded man crying for help...he zoomed off.

3) Within half an hour, a Redeem member coming straight out of the Redemption camp drove past slowly, but turned a blind eye and automatically went deaf to the pleadings of the wounded traveler.

4) But a certain Agnostic fellow with a compassionate heart stopped to examine the traveler who was almost unconscious at the time, revived him with a bottle of water and administered a few pain relief tablets (paracetamol) to ease the traveler's pain.

5) The agnostic assisted the traveler into his car and arranged for that of the traveler to be towed as well. The agnostic drove the traveler to a nearby state owned hospital and paid for the medical and feeding expenses of the traveler.

6) The agnostic was a wealthy fellow who risked his life for a traveler he knew nothing of.

7) NOW WHO AMONG THESE PEOPLE HAVE PLEASED THE ALMIGHTY WITH THEIR ACTIONS?


Note: I do not have anything against Redeem or Winners. Their names are only used as an example here to pass a message across and nothing more.

Thank you.

Yes, you a lot against them, but itst okay, it's your God given right. You are entitled to what you believe. But, i as a Christian, can never see a wounded person and walk pass.

Now, there is a point you missed. As much as Jesus told that parable as the Jews being less compassionate, but if you look deeply into why a Jew can pass off the way the story went you discover he didn't act out of place.

Check the background of a Jew and the Stringent laws of touching and not touching the Clean or the Unclean things, then you'd know he was just adhering to the laws written down for him, without which will render him unclean for days or weeks.

We see the same thing play out with Peter when the Uncreated Creator lowered a sheath full of all manner of animals and he was told to kill and eat, as a bonafide Jew, what was Peter's response?

Jesus Christ came to redeem man (The Jews) from those strigent laws, but until it is effected, you don't blame a Jew for keeping to his laws which were a matter of life and death to him.

OkaiCorne:
1) In the ancient times, the Jews viewed Samaritans as worse than dogs thus, seeing them as unworthy of the rights to blessings and access to a Kingdom of Eternal Bliss.

2) The Samaritans on the other hand, hated the Jews for their pride, contempt and entitlement mentality because they are "Sons of Abraham".

3) This prompted Jesus...arguably the greatest man that ever lived to give a parable on the good Samaritan.

4) With my Christianity background, I saw this entitlement mentality playing out itself again...as though everyone else who is not a Christian (by name or affiliation) is doomed to Eternal Damnation.

This brings me to the next chapter.

It will make more sesne to get the historical background of how the Samarithans got to the point where they were regarded as sinners by the Jews. It didn't just happen.

Jesus came to reconcile the World back to Hikself, Yes, but, that does not mean that sin is no longer the transgression of the law.

OkaiCorne:
THE WISDOM AND DECEIT OF RELIGION

1) In my spare time, I researched on how the human mind works. I realized how powerful words are, and the mechanisms and triggers in the mind used to recall spoken words which influenced decision making.

2) I also discovered a flaw, the mind of man was configured to believe the TRUTH wholeheartedly, but it became a challenge when TRUTH was mixed with lies. The mind of a man easily accepts partial truth mixed with lies because there is hardly a default mechanism to filter out a tiny lie mixed with the TRUTH thus, leaving the mind open to Deception.

3) And this is where Religion enslaved the minds of Humanity. No one knows in exact details how the History of mankind started, however different religions and belief systems came to bridge the gap with fantastic stories deceiving the Hearts and Mind of men.

4) I read accounts of the creation story with same plot line but different actors e.g. Genesis vs Epic of Gilgamesh (This one predates Genesis). I sought for the TRUTH beyond the details looking for consistent patterns in both stories.

5) With my Christian background, I observed how powerful a Partial Truth could be as according to the book of Genesis. The Serpent claimed Humanity would be like God if they ate of the fruit, but they would not die. In the subsequent chapter, GOD (Trinity) confirmed man was like HIM.

6) The Serpent indeed told the TRUTH with a dosage of lies to deceive Humanity.

7) Religion has taken the place of the Serpent as a tool of deceit on the minds of Humanity.

8.) Man can only be liberated if and only if they seek the raw and undiluted TRUTH

9.) The Bible states in the book of Ecclesiastes... "It takes only a fly to make a bottle of perfume stink (horribly)".

It is the little fly (lies) in the perfume (truth) that makes the whole bottle to stink (false doctrines). And this is what has given birth to atheists and agnostics who have rebelled against the religious views of TRUTH.

How do you know the Epic of Gilgamesh predates Geneis?

OkaiCorne:
THE WISDOM AND DECEIT OF RELIGION

"When Truth and Lies (Falsehood) share the same bed, Deceit is conceived" - OkaiCorne

Very interesting, But, you see, going by what or who i know as the Source, the uncreated one, The uncaused first Cause. He has a name, but never gave anyone a religion.

YHWH is the uncreated one and he fits the TRUTH you've been talking about so far.

Reading my Bible from Genesis, the only thing i can see is a King and a Kingdom. Not a God and his religion.

From Genesis, i see a creator who created a KINGDOM, the realm of material, Earth and placed man in it.

When you look into the word KINGDOM, you'd see inside it, KING AND DOMAIN. Meaning, a King and his domain, and a domain is a territory.

This earth is God's domain and he placed man to rule under Him, but when man rebelled, the circle/cycle which connected him to the Uncreated was disconnected, and in a bit to reach out back to his creator, religion was birthed.

YHWH never gave any man a religion. I saw you mentioned Judiasm, Christianity, i won't talk about Islam because Islam was mentioned in their koran, but if you see the first two mentioned as the religions the Uncreated gave to man, you can point it out.

Jesus, who is the only entity to declare that He is the Way and the TRUTH, never talk about a religion onec. His message was all about the restoration of the KINGDOM, the same message the Uncreated one had from Genesis.

God bless.

Ericsunday619:
what annoys me the most is when everyone thinks their religion is right. I was talking to a Christian yesterday and she was so confident that Islam is a bullshit religion, I asked her for proof but she was lacking evidence to support her claim. As an atheist i know that a book written by some Jewish people cannot be trusted. I don't place my faith in the Quran or Bible but i simply work hard and wait for results. I have achieved more as an atheist than when i was still a Christian.

I think you are the deluded one here, because the Op does not subscribe to any religion and not to Christianity which you can't help yourself but malign. Check around you, compare yourself with your Christian comptemparies, you are not in anyway better than they are, so pls just shutup and follow or leave already.

OkaiCorne:
6.) From my Christian background, there is a scripture in the bible... "Jesus said: I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life. No one comes through the father except through me"

7.) Then something dawned on me... Jesus cannot BE the TRUTH if he does not know the TRUTH...I asked myself bitterly "what is this TRUTH?"

8.) I realized something, before Jesus came, there was TRUTH, Jesus came and left, yet the TRUTH has not changed...other enlightened souls like Buhdda came (about 600 years or so before Jesus) and left...and they were also emissaries of this TRUTH. Again I asked myself...what is TRUTH?!

9.) TRUTH then asked me a basic question. Do you have to be a Christian or Muslim or whatever to believe the sun shall shine or rain will fall? Then I answered no.

10.) I started seeing the bigger picture from that very day...everything...even our very existence tries to explain the concept of TRUTH

So, what is TRUTH?

OkCornel:
I've mention you there.

Cheers.

Didn't get your mention.

fellowman:
hahahaha I'm sure you don't look like your father for asking this question.
by mere looking at me, I look like my father, I act walk and talk like my father, I've never been to the village before but the day I went there everyone knew which family I belong without even introducing myself. I'm talking of myself not Jesus.

but let me add John 14:10 there to complete that statement

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. this is to show you that God was in him that was why he performed the miracles he did.

he also went on to say in John 14:28 that The father is greater than him

As a human in the flesh, he is a son, in the spirit, he is the father. Oh wait!!!, you are JW and dont believe in the spirit realm. Sorry, my bad.

I don't have time to go into this. Enjoy your materialism.

MuttleyLaff:
Algorithm

Big word. In a simple language pls.

fellowman:
Jesus Christ never said he was God.

if you loved me then you will rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28 ) Jesus acknowledged that he and his Father are not equals.


▪ “I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak.” (John 12:49 ) Jesus’ teachings did not come from him; they came from the Father.

there is no way that Jesus said he was God.
this is just two of many portions of the Bible to show you that Jesus is not God. So where did you get the information that Jesus was God?

I and my Father are one.
John:10:30

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John:14:8

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John:14:9

Johncuppa:
Weldon brother!
To start with, be calm. I mean just rest your mind.
The fact that you are not following your fore fathers steps and ready to be liberated is the greatest decision and way out.

Again, many people will want you start fasting and prayer as quick as you want to be free. No! Don't start yet, don't waste your energy - it does work like that, if it does, it is temporary, you will be there again.

Questions;
Is there generational curses? - Yes, there is.

Hasn't my father broke it? - he hasn't. If he had, you shouldn't be having such experiences again.

Will it continues till the forth generation? - This is not old testament era where God takes revenge till the forth generation. God's revenge is not the same as generational curses. This is devil claiming his right over your generation as per the allegiance made with him by your fore fathers on your behalf ( It doesn't mean whether you are aware or not). And it will last till when it is broken. If you brake it, that is all as touching your own lineage, if you couldn't, it continues till there is a man to brake it whether 10th or 20th generation.

Could it be reverse or broken? - O yes!

How many time? - Permanently, if you follow due process not just some pressurise fasting and prayer that will last for a while just for you to see yourself in the mess again.

What does it? - Redemption, revelational Knowledge of the word of God, fasting and prayer. And you are done.

But you see, the problem is not what it takes, but how to get someone who can open you up to biblical revelation.
Once you know whom you are, who Satan is and Who God is, what Salvation is (not just some "follow me as I say it", what your redemption package is, your right in the present position (Who Jesus is in you and who you are in Jesus), your dominion over satan then you move to fasting and prayer with accurate knowledge of why you are doing so.

In summary, what I'm saying is, before you start doing any fasting and prayer, two things are important - REVELATION and FAITH. With these two, you will live as if devil does not exist. There won't be need for you running after men for prayer.

God bless you.
Please, don't forget, Satan is as powerful as you see him and cheap to conquer as you think, both are functions of revelation..

Correct.

Interesting, am following.

OkCornel:
Really? Does the book of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes look confused to you?

Come off it bro, don't throw away the baby with the bathing water. That's my advice for you.

Chill till you hear of my re-birth process in the other thread I spoke of.

Cheers

Mention me there too.

Image123:
You need to be genuinely born again, that's foundational. Then you need to aggressively build up your faith and pray. It's not just a one liner, it's your whole life that has to be permeated and endued with faith and prayers.

I aggree.

MuttleyLaff:
@Emmanystone
Sorry the finicky antispambot has hidden your post and probably slammed you with a posting ban
Thank you for reaching out to assist that brother

What causes antispamboad to ban someone?

ashjay001:
Nice comeback


Now can u do d hiking!

After you.

OkCornel:
Ahasco , godisgood200 , 0temSapien

I have been having some challenges with my original moniker. I have opened a new thread so as not to derail Otem's thread with our discussions.

Now please let us evaluate the authenticity of the existence of Jesus Christ, His death and resurrection in line with the revelations Otem has been receiving from Atum.


Now remember that we are trying to separate Truth from lies and or errors so as to avoid being deceived.

I will just observe from the aidelines. Carry on.

smoy:
don't be too lazy, read.

Just lookat. You who believes everything the imam tells you. I can comfortably teach you Islam. Without copy and past you can't frame up a simple correct sentense, yet you are calling me lazy.

See Muslim who is told not to read so that he won't discover the truth is telling me to.read.

ashjay001:
If u still think Abra n Ibro are different, den u n I cant av a meeting of minds. Read all my previous posts, n if u end up not getting my view, take a hike!

Lolzzzz. Guy, you have already hiked to liarland if you believe Abraham built the kaaba.

Chosen59:
Yes, you are right.

Hagar wasn't Abraham's wife. That was the reason God supported Sarah in driving her and her son out of Abraham's family.

Then, why would Abraham follow them to wherever after God had said they should be driven away? Would Abraham disobey God and left Sarah to follow the cast out? Never.

Kaaba was built by pagans to house their 360 idols.

It's funny how the Muslims can't see the ridiculousness of their claims.

spongeisback:
I also know a man that gave 100% and today he asked me for #400. Wonder what's delaying "the windows of heaven" from opening.

Did YHWH say if you pay Tithe he will give you money?

Johnzzy:
Giving is biblical and Christianly, while paying tithe is biblical but not Christianly. Just like physically killing your enemies is biblical but not Christianly. It is THE LAW.

If someone's after tax earning is #100,556, it therefore means that his tithe is #10055.6 (This portends for several salary earners I know).

Now this is the problem with the Law which you CANNOT fulfill. How do you give the 6 kobo in the above figure? (This was Christ's exemplification in Matt 23)

NO ONE can be justified by the law.

So preach giving and not tithing. The old testament is 10%, the New testament is YOUR ALL.

And by the way, I think it's theologically irresponsible to adduce to Christ an act he never performed.

I repeat, let's be silent on what the epistles are silent about.

cc: rejosom, lalasticlala

Unbelievers thinking they can talk Bible. What is Christianly?

Now pls anwer this, Did tithing originate with the Law of Moses and should it end with it?

smoy:
The Israelite wander in the desert for 40 years and you think that they were not in that Valley for that period? Ismail and Muslim were seen as treat in the bible and for that effort to eliminate any thing to do with Islam is almost taken off in the bible but still yet traces can still be found.

bible alone can not be the standard for historical record since is been corrupted, it need to be corroborated with other facts.

Which Historical record outside of Islam, can you give which associates Abraham with kaaba?

smoy:
i did not said yours was too long Wat i said was the one you quoted was part of the hadith

on your questions; yes if you read the hadith again you will find out that the place was already raised above the level of the normal ground level in that area so to show Abraham the location were the house shall be, no structure was there but are mark of the foundation naturally present. Abraham and Ismail now built on that mark of foundation.

no water was present in that area so it was inhabitable for human, but the dwellers later came and meet Ismail and His mother after the spring of Zam ZAm in that place and recognize them as the owner of that Vally today called Macca.

You believe without thinking? Your Hadith said Ismael was still sucking breast, how was he able to build a house?

ashjay001:
U cant question Ibrahim in d quran, without referring to his presence in d bible, since, they appear to be d same person!


And, if u doubt any of d myths abt him, u doubt all of them! An intellectual, doesnt do bit parts, u always take d whole into consideration.

Do you really believe that Abraham is the same with Ibrahim? Then answer the question the Op asked

smoy:
the hadith is a very long one i will help you with this and all your question shall be answered in it.

Narrated Ibn ‘Abbâs [On the authority of the Prophet (See Fath Al-Bari, Vol. 7, Page 210)].

“…(Prophet) Ibrâhîm (Abraham) brought her (Hajar) and her son Ismail (Ishmael) while she used to nurse him at her breast, near the Ka‘bah under a tree on the spot of Zamzam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Makkah, nor was there any water. So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ismail’s (Ishmael) mother followed him saying, “O Ibrâhîm (Abraham)! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?” She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her. Then she asked him, “Has Allâh ordered you to do so?” He said, “Yes.” She said, “Then He will not neglect us,” and returned while Ibrâhîm (Abraham) proceeded onwards, and on reaching the Thaniyyah where they could not see him, he faced the Ka‘bah, and raising both hands invoked Allâh saying the following supplication:

‘O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in an uncultivable valley by Your Sacred House (the Ka‘bah at Makkah); in order, O our Lord, that they may perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât). So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allâh) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.’ (V.14:37)

Ismail’s (Ishmael) mother went on suckling Ismail (Ishmael) and drinking from the water (she had). When the water in the water-skin had all been used up, she became thirsty and her child also became thirsty. She started looking at him [i.e. Ismail (Ishmael)] tossing in agony; she left him, for she could not endure looking at him, and found that the mountain of As-Safâ was the nearest mountain to her on that land. She stood on it and started looking at the valley keenly so that she might see somebody, but she could not see anybody. Then she descended from As-Safâ and when she reached the valley, she tucked up her robe and ran in the valley like a person in distress and trouble, till she crossed the valley and reached Al-Marwah mountain where she stood and started looking, expecting to see somebody, but she could not see anybody. She repeated that (running between As-Safâ and Al-Marwah) seven times.”

The Prophet said, “This is the source of the tradition of the Sa‘y (the going) of people between them (i.e. As-Safâ and Al-Marwah). When she reached Al-Marwah (for the last time) she heard a voice and she asked herself to be quiet and listened attentively. She heard the voice again and said, ‘O (whoever you may be)! You have made me hear your voice; have you got something to help me?’ And behold! She saw an angel at the place of Zamzam, digging the earth with his heel (or his wing), till water flowed from that place. She started to make something like a basin around it, using her hands in this way and started filling her water-skin with water with her hands, and the water was flowing out after she had scooped some of it.”The Prophet added, “May Allâh bestow mercy on Ismail’s (Ishmael) mother! Had she let the Zamzam (flow without trying to control it) (or had she not scooped from that water) (to fill her water-skin), Zamzam would have been a stream flowing on the surface of the earth.”The Prophet further added, “Then she drank (water) and suckled her child. The angel said to her, ‘Don’t be afraid of being neglected, for this is the House of Allâh which will be built by this boy and his father, and Allâh never neglects His people.’
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The House (i.e. Ka‘bah) at that time was on a high place resembling a hillock, and when torrents came, they flowed to its right and left. She lived in that way till some people from the tribe of Jurhum or a family from Jurhum passed by her and her child, as they (i.e. the Jurhum people) were coming through the way of Kadâ’. They landed in the lower part of Makkah where they saw a bird that had the habit of flying around water and not leaving it. They said, ‘This bird must be flying around water, though we know that there is no water in this valley.’ They sent one or two messengers who discovered the source of water, and returned to inform them of the water. So, they all came (towards the water).”The Prophet added, “Ismail’s (Ishmael) mother was sitting near the water. They asked her, ‘Do you allow us to stay with you?’ She replied, ‘Yes, but you will have no right to possess the water.’ They agreed to that.”The Prophet further said, “Ismail’s (Ishmael) mother was pleased with the whole situation as she used to love to enjoy the company of the people. So, they settled there, and later on they sent for their families who came and settled with them so that some families became permanent residents there. The child [i.e. Ismail (Ishmael)] grew up and learned Arabic from them and (his virtues) caused them to love and admire him as he grew up, and when he reached the age of puberty they made him marry a woman from amongst them.

After Ismail’s (Ishmael) mother had died, Ibrâhîm (Abraham) came after Ismail’s (Ishmael) marriage in order to see his family that he had left before, but he did not find Ismail (Ishmael) there. When he asked Ismail’s (Ishmael) wife about him, she replied, ‘He has gone in search of our livelihood.’ Then he asked her about their way of living and their condition, and she replied, ‘We are living in misery; we are living in hardship and destitution,’ complaining to him. He said, ‘When your husband returns, convey my salutation to him and tell him to change the threshold of the gate (of his house).’ When Ismail (Ishmael) came, he seemed to have felt something unusual, so he asked his wife, ‘Has anyone visited you?’ She replied, ‘Yes, an old man of such and such description came and asked me about you and I informed him, and he asked about our state of living, and I told him that we were living in a hardship and poverty.’ On that Ismail (Ishmael) said, ‘Did he advise you anything?’ She replied, ‘Yes, he told me to convey his salutation to you and to tell you to change the threshold of your gate.’ Ismail (Ishmael) said, ‘It was my father, and he has ordered me to divorce you. Go back to your family.’ So, Ismail (Ishmael) divorced her and married another woman from amongst them (i.e. Jurhum).

Then Ibrâhîm (Abraham) stayed away from them for a period as long as Allâh wished and called on them again but did not find Ismail (Ishmael). So he came to Ismail’s (Ishmael) wife and asked her about Ismail (Ishmael). She said, ‘He has gone in search of our livelihood.’ Ibrâhîm (Abraham) asked her, ‘How are you getting on?’ asking her about their sustenance and living. She replied, ‘We are prosperous and well-off (i.e. we have everything in abundance).’ Then she thanked Allâh, Ibrâhîm (Abraham) said, ‘What kind of food do you eat?’ She said, ‘Meat.’ He said, ‘What do you drink?’ She said, ‘Water.’ He said, ‘O Allâh! Bless their meat and water.’ “The Prophet added, “At that time they did not have grain, and if they had grain, he would have also invoked Allâh to bless it.”The Prophet added, “If somebody has only these two things as his sustenance, his health and disposition will be badly affected, unless he lives in Makkah.” The Prophet added, “Then Ibrâhîm (Abraham) said to Ismail’s (Ishmael) wife, ‘When your husband comes, give my regards to him and tell him that he should keep firm the threshold of his gate.’ When Ismail (Ishmael) came back, he asked his wife, ‘Did anyone call on you?’ She replied, ‘Yes, a good-looking old man came to me,’ so she praised him and added. ‘He asked about you, and I informed him, and he asked about our livelihood and I told him that we were in a good condition.’ Ismail (Ishmael) asked her, ‘Did he give you any piece of advice?’ She said, ‘Yes, he told me to give his regards to you and ordered that you should keep firm the threshold of your gate.’ On that Ismail (Ishmael) said, ‘It was my father, and you are the threshold (of the gate). He has ordered me to keep you with me.’

Then Ibrâhîm (Abraham) stayed away from them for a period as long as Allâh wished, and called on them afterwards. He saw Ismail (Ishmael) under a tree near Zamzam, sharpening his arrows. When he saw Ibrâhîm (Abraham), he rose up to welcome him (and they greeted each other as a father does with his son or a son does with his father). Ibrâhîm (Abraham) said, ‘O Ismail (Ishmael)! Allâh has given me an order.’ Ismail (Ishmael) said, ‘Do what your Lord has ordered you to do.’ Ibrâhîm (Abraham) asked, ‘Will you help me?’ Ismail (Ishmael) said, ‘I will help you.’ Ibrâhîm (Abraham) said, ‘Allâh has ordered me to build a house here,’ pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it.’”The Prophet added, “Then they raised the foundations of the House (i.e. the Ka‘bah). Ismail (Ishmael) brought the stones and Ibrâhîm (Abraham) was building; and when the walls became high, Ismail (Ishmael) brought this stone and put it for Ibrâhîm (Abraham) who stood over it and carried on building, while Ismail (Ishmael) was handing him the stones, and both of them were saying,

‘O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily, You are the All-Hearer the All-Knower.’” (V.2:127).

The Prophet added, “Then both of them went on building and going round the Ka‘bah saying ‘O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.’” (V.2:127)

[Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.4, Hadith No.583].

Why not just give specific answers to the questions instead this copy and paste you obviously didn't read.

Chosen59:
Does it mean no Muslim in the house is capable of answering those questions?

If there there are no answers to the questions, why should Muslims be contended with falsehood they are being fed with?

Satan wants to claim every godly man.

Hagar was a surrogate to Sarah, she was never married to Abraham and never left Canaanland Arabia.

Satan as his agents.

Chosen59:
Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael Movement to Mecca

Ibn Abbas narrated:

"... Ibrahim brought her (Hajrah) and her son, Ismail while she was
suckling him, to a place near the
Kaaba under a tree on the spot of Zam-Zam, at the highest place in
the mosque. During those days there
was nobody in Makkah, nor was there any water. So he made them sit
over there and placed near them a
leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing
some water,and set out homeward.
Ismail's mother followed him saying: "O Ibrahim! Where are you going,
leaving us
in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy,
nor is there anything (to enjoy)?"
She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her.
Then she asked him: "Has Allah
ordered you to do so?" He said: "Yes". She said: "Then He will not
neglect us." and she returned
(to her child) while Ibrahim proceeded on his way.

On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him,
Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising
both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer:

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley
without cultivation, by Thy Sacred
House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer:
so fill the hearts of some among
men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they
may give thanks." [Surah Ibrahim 14
:37]..." [Sahih Bukhari Book# 55, Hadith# 583]

The above hadith narrates the event of Abraham, Hajrah and Ishmael movement to Mecca. But let us consider the salient points in that narration. Abraham left Hajirah and her son, Ishmael in the bush where there were no dwellers. He was going away from them without notice and Hajrah asked why he was leaving them alone in the bush but he didn't answer nor did he look back. Then she asked whether it was Allah who commanded him not to look back and he said "yes".

The question therefore is: since he left them in the bush by Allah's command NOT TO LOOK BACK, why do Muslims claim Abraham lived in Mecca? Does going back living with them not amount to disobedience to Allah's command after he had warned him not to look back?

And again, let's examine this statement by Abraham according to the hadith:
"On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him,
Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising
both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer:

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley
without cultivation, by Thy Sacred
House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer:
so fill the hearts of some among
men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they
may give thanks."

When Abraham left them and they could no longer see him, he said he had left some of his offspring to dwell by Kaaba that they might establish prayers. That is to say they met the Kaaba on ground. But Muslims claim Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba, how can that be true as Abraham left them alone in the bush and Ishmael was still a suckling?

Fabricated story. Where was Sarah when this happened?

Ahasco:
just mention me once the thread is opened

Can i join? Pls mention me too

smoy:
when you cant even differentiate that of your Savior since you seen no contradiction of this one you are asking for another. deal with this first.

Am glad you know that muhammed has no geneology.