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smoy:
when you cant even differentiate that of your Savior since you seen no contradiction of this one you are asking for another. deal with this first.

Lolzzz. Pls show how they contradict themselves and stop talking poo.

smoy:
Mathew 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
2 Abraham was the father of Isaac, and Isaac the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, 3 and Judah the father of Perez and Zerah by Tamar, and Perez the father of Hezron, and Hezron the father of Ram,[a] 4 and Ram[b] the father of Ammin′adab, and Ammin′adab the father of Nahshon, and Nahshon the father of Salmon, 5 and Salmon the father of Bo′az by Rahab, and Bo′az the father of Obed by Ruth, and Obed the father of Jesse, 6 and Jesse the father of David the king.
And David was the father of Solomon by the wife of Uri′ah, 7 and Solomon the father of Rehobo′am, and Rehobo′am the father of Abi′jah, and Abi′jah the father of Asa,[c] 8 and Asa[d] the father of Jehosh′aphat, and Jehosh′aphat the father of Joram, and Joram the father of Uzzi′ah, 9 and Uzzi′ah the father of Jotham, and Jotham the father of Ahaz, and Ahaz the father of Hezeki′ah, 10 and Hezeki′ah the father of Manas′seh, and Manas′seh the father of Amos,[e] and Amos[f] the father of Josi′ah, 11 and Josi′ah the father of Jechoni′ah and his brothers, at the time of the deportation to Babylon.
12 And after the deportation to Babylon: Jechoni′ah was the father of She-al′ti-el,[g] and She-al′ti-el[h] the father of Zerub′babel, 13 and Zerub′babel the father of Abi′ud, and Abi′ud the father of Eli′akim, and Eli′akim the father of Azor, 14 and Azor the father of Zadok, and Zadok the father of Achim, and Achim the father of Eli′ud, 15 and Eli′ud the father of Elea′zar, and Elea′zar the father of Matthan, and Matthan the father of Jacob, 16 and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.


Luke 3:23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jan′na-i, the son of Joseph, 25 the son of Mattathi′as, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Nag′ga-i, 26 the son of Ma′ath, the son of Mattathi′as, the son of Sem′e-in, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27 the son of Jo-an′an, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerub′babel, the son of She-al′ti-el,[c] the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elma′dam, the son of Er, 29 the son of Joshua, the son of Elie′zer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eli′akim, 31 the son of Me′le-a, the son of Menna, the son of Mat′tatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Bo′az, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon, 33 the son of Ammin′adab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35 the son of Serug, the son of Re′u, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Ca-i′nan, the son of Arphax′ad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37 the son of Methu′selah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Maha′lale-el, the son of Ca-i′nan, 38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

You just posted two accounts of Jesus' geneology. What makes them different?

When you are done pls post Muhammad's linking him down to Abraham to Adam.

smoy:
that Jesus had 2 contradictory genealogy in your bible. so which one do we take?

Post them out

BenzEne1:
Lady `Aisha (the mother of the believers, may Allah be pleased with her) narrated that the commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Messenger was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright daylight, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira’ where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food likewise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira’. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon, he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said,

Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists), created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous. (Al-`Alaq 96:1-3)

Then Allah's Messenger returned with the inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa ibn Naufal ibn Asad ibn 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Messenger described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Messenger asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Revelation was also paused for a while.” (Al-Bukhari)

Waraqah was a pagan worshiping the idols at Mecca in the beginning of his life. He was one of four people who determined to forsake the idolatry of Quraysh and search for the right religion. This decision was at one of Quraysh’s pagan festivals. They were Waraqah ibn Naufal, `Uthman ibn Al-Huwairath, `Ubaidullah ibn Jahsh and Zayd ibn `Amr ibn Nufail. They decided to abandon the worship of idols as they deemed it contrary to every reason and sound understanding. Waraqah and `Uthman ibn Al-Huwairath professed Christianity. `Ubaidullah ibn Jahsh lived till the advent of Islam and embraced Islam. Zayd ibn Nufail kept to the remains of the religion of Prophet Ibrahim until he passed away.

One wonder, where is in the historical texts stated that Waraqah was the teacher of the Prophet Muhammad? Which historians said that? What is the source of these allegations? What is the evidence? Who narrated that the Prophet would frequent Waraqah seeking knowledge from him? Where were the people of Qurashy, who fought the Prophet with every possible means and lost their greatest leaders in battling with Muhammad, from these claims? Had not they seen the Prophet Muhammad once learning something from Waraqah or repeating his words? Had not they seen him accompanying Waraqah? Yet, how many days and night did the Prophet spend with Waraqah? What is the likeness between Waraqah’s views and the Prophet’s ones? No answer comes but just groundless allegations and blatant lies brought out of concealed grudge and malice against Islam and Muslims. No evidence but real falsehood.

Funny how you can't see that your copy and paste afirms my point.

BenzEne1:
Of course.they were Jews. That's just their tribe. They practiced monotheism tho. This is the monotheism that Muhammad was sent to perfect and name Islam. Islam means total submission to the will of Allah. Adam, the first man practiced this.

From then other prophet's have all preached monotheism and enjoined it on the people Allah sent them to. They were given books; Torah (David), Injeel or gospel (Jesus), Quran (Muhammad). This is why there seems to be similarity within these holy books.

However we believe that these books have been adulterated. And this is the reason that the Qur'an was sent down to all of mankind to set them on the straight part of monotheism once again.

You folks make it sound like Muhammad put together the religion of Islam. This is not true....

And Muhammad is no more than a messenger; the messengers have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? Qur'an, 3:144

This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed my favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion. Qur'an, 5:3

I do have some sketchy points with my religion like the status of a woman in the religion but Islam still stands out amongst all.

Do you know who Waraqa Bin Nawal was?

He was an Uncle to Kadijat who insisted the being which almost strangled muhammed to death was not a demon but an Angel from the God of the Jews/Christians. She took her young husband to her uncle who wad the Balaam of his time (He was a catholic convert/a soothsayer) at the same time.

Waraqa mentored muhammed into plagiarising the bible, only, even him didn't get a good grip of the Bible.

Without Waraqa, there won't be islam or the koran.

So, yes, muhammed put the islamic together.

1Sharon:
Interesting. So Judaism and Christianity that precede Islam are manmade but Islam isn't?

When anyone reading the Quran can tell its a pervertion of the Bible

Abeg ask him o.

Muslims, what is the name of your God?

smoy:
you just repeating yourself.

for the Jesus who all know that has no father but bible gave him 2 contradictory genealogy only two names are in common of this long list (matt 1 and Luke3)
but Matthew gave him Joseph as father the same Matthew say he is child by the holy ghost and at the same time son of God, 3 farther what do you call such child in your local language ? every thing in Christianity is a guess work and confusion no certainty.

What have you said now?

segunojo866:
See wetin religion don do your brain

Weytin turn you to this angry little beast? Na religion?

Ubenedictus:
yeah, they were the Church in their time.

Bros, YHWH never gave anyone a religion, all of these people were called by God into a fellowship, relationship. Nothing else.

When He created Adam, he handed him a Kingdom to rule over. Adam lost it, Jesus restored it.

Jesus never gave anyone a religion but a Kingdom. Jesus never had any other message apart the Kingdom.

If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
John:15:7

Abiding in each other is a relationship sir.

smoy:
either of the 2 books he is still a prophet only sent to his people and we the Muslim has no problem with that, but this is your call

and for the holy ghost has been there since time immemorial even before the coming of Christ, he also used it during his life, so his followers need not any ghost to preach the gospel to people.

for the quotation of prophet hood of Jesus in the bible Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

Hmmm. I see. Before the Day of Pentecost, you mean there was an indwelling of the Holy Spirit inside of those who believed? Do you know what an indwelling means?

By that statement, Jesus didn't mean he was a prophet.

Now, let me let you in on something. Propjets are mouth pieces of the Most High. They report what the Lord intends for His peopke, They say, "Thus says the Lord". But Jesus is the message, the same one the prophets get the message from, hence; He says " Verily Verily I say unto you". See the differebce? He never reported from anyone to his followers like Moses or Daniel.

He spoke directly. This is why muhammed can't come close.

smoy:
do you wont us to talk of Muhammad in the Quran or in the Bible or both

Is there Muhammed in the Bible?

smoy:
get me right i said he spoke Aramaic as a language .
Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Did the Jews in his time also spoke Aramaic, Hebrew and even Greek?

smoy:
http://www.eliyah.com/nameson.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa_(name)
https://www./522276888015220614/

Really? You still came to my point. The articles in the links agrees with me. The second link is laughable as it says nothing.

Now, the Isa of the koran is a caricature character satan used to keep you muslims decieved, but stand him side by side the Yeshua, and you'd be a fool to believe they are the same person.

smoy:
Yes there were all prophet of God only that Jesus was sent to Israelite only while Muhammad was sent to all mankind and Jinkind till eternity

I didn't ask about others, i'm being specific here.

Now, let's concentrate on the prophethood of mohammed for a while. Who anionted him and with what.

If muhammed was like the olden days prophet, then he must be anionted just like they all were. What was the agent of the aninionting on Muhammed?

Again, All the Past prophets were Jews who miniatwred only to the Jews, WHERE ARABS PRESENT THEN? What i mean is, where they Arabs then?

Remember the Old testament talks about Arabs continuously. Even Geneis.

smoy:
get me right i said he spoke Aramaic as a language .
Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Should we now talk about the Jesus of the Bible or the Isa if the koran?

because the reason the Jesus of the Bible gave his disciple that instructions then was because, they had not be aniniinted with the Holy Ghost and with Power. After the Holy Ghost cane on them, they were asked to go into all the world, and preach the Good News.

Pls tell me which Jesus[es] we shd talk about. If it's Jesus of the Bible then, you must from the Bible show me where he called himself a prophet or a slave of allah

smoy:
was only Jesus anointed?

Thats not the Point. The question was, is mohammed the prophet as Isa?
It's a Yes or No abswer.

smoy:
there are different interpretation of the real name of Jesus in which some contradict another, is been called yeeshua, yeshua, yashuha,yehoshua,joshua,lesous Eesao Eeshua etc which is the root of all this and which do we use

Give me a link.

smoy:
He was sent to HIS people (12 tribes of Israelite)by God to serve as role model to the believers to get internal live.

But you said he wasn't a Jew nah? Now He is sent to his people Isreal?

Role model? In what sense?

What is eternal Life and why do they need it?

smoy:
Messiah was just a title like; Khalamulah, Rusullulah, Khalifatu, given to different prophet of God they where all here for the same purpose.

Which was? What was prophets Muhammad's purpose on earth? What was Isa's?

Saverin:
sorry, I didn't know you belonged to the class of orange seed grows on your head bullshit!

Allah is my friend, Christ is my friend, Krishna is my friend.. That's this code I live by.

Which class is Orange seed grows on your head?

What does it mean to have Christ as a friend?

smoy:
yes he was a chosen prophet of God

You mean a Messiah and prophet has the same mission on earth?

smoy:
yes he was Messiah meaning the anointed one, a title given by Allah as he gives other title to many other persons

Fair enough. Now, the anointed person Easao was chosen, designated, qualified, and consecrated to a position with correlated tasks. What was this task? What was his task on earth?

smoy:
don't copy and paste pls just get what you wont and let reason together. what is your point here

My point is, that guy is the only Guy who called Yeshua Easao, according to his interpretation of the Aramiac version of the word 'Yeshua. Hence; i asked you, is that where you got it from? If not, can you give me the ethymology (The root orinal meaning of that word ) of Easao?

smoy:
Eashao pronounced EE-show in Aramic he does not speak Hebrew. Easah in arabic

Again, this your Arabic Eashao, was he a Messiah?

smoy:
Eashao pronounced EE-show in Aramic he does not speak Hebrew. Easah in arabic

Is this where you got this your Eashoa from?

[b]The Name of Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ in the Ancient Aramaic language is:
Eashoa' M'sheekha
In the Ancient Aramaic His name is written as shown above. Click on the name to hear the audio.
Eashoa' means, "the Life-Giver." Msheekha means, "the Anointed One." Eashoa' Msheekha: The Anointed Life-Giver.
Many visitors to this website e-mail me about the use of the name Jesus Christ. They say why do you use the English designations when the true name of Jesus is "Eashoa" and Christ is "The Anointed One." Some of the people e-mailing me prefer the spelling "Yeshua." And there are some other variations, but none of these are accurate transliterations. I prefer my own transliteration: Eashoa'.
I take this occasion to explain the usages, now that even God is in danger of being removed from the Pledge of Allegiance. First of all, the name of Jesus is not different from His name in the original language. In the Ancient Aramaic, the name is spelled "yeh-sheen-waw-ein." In English the "yeh" becomes "J," the "sheen" becomes "s," the "waw" becomes a "u," and the "ein," becomes an "s." Now, this might not sound like the same name, but since three of the four letters in the name don't have English language equivalents, the English pronunciation had to be modified. Eashoa' and Jesus are the very same name, albeit the transliterations are of two very different languages, with four thousand years of divergent evolution.
The name of Christ comes from the Greek word for "anointed." The Greek word "Khristos" comes from the word for "oil." The English language is based on the Latin, which in turn is based on the Greek. The word "Msheekhah" is the original word for "The Anointed." Another good choice for "Christ" is the Messiah -- again from "Msheekhah." The same word in all the languages, designating Jesus as the Messiah prophesied by the Old Testament.
There are many misconceptions regarding the language of the Bible. In my opinion they're all aimed at misleading people from the Truth, which is the Faith in Eashoa (Jesus) the Messiah.[/b]

As you read it, does it seem to you like, someone, (an individual) figured it out by himself (his opinion), or it's in deed true?

Pls give me the ethymologies of Eashoa and Easah (which you believe is the same as Isa of the koran.)

Lomprico2:
I hear you pastor godisgood!


What happened to the free will that God gave us all?
Why do pastors threaten people with poverty, curses and hell fire when it comes to giving them money? You don't force people to pay u tithe!

Lomprico2:
[/quote]I hear you pastor godisgood!
Thank you my son.
[quote author=Lomprico2 post=62695893]What happened to the free will that God gave us all?

How does this come in here?

Lomprico2:
Why do pastors threaten people with poverty, curses and
hell fire when it comes to giving them money? You don't force people to pay u tithe!

[b]If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.[/quote]Malachi:2:2
Will you conisder the above as a threat from God?

When you are disobidient and you are told the consequence of your disobedience, it only takes pride for you to see it as a threat instead of correction.

Anyways, If you are in a Church where a Pastor threatens you with Hellfire if you don't pay your Tithe, then you shd change your church because you are in a wrong Church. You won't go to hellfire if you refuse to pay your Tithe, as only rejection of Jesus ends you in hell.

But, if you don't pay your Tithe, yet you are a Believer who depends totally on Kingdom advancement, meaning in every of your financial endeavours, you won't steal, cheat, give or take bribes. You won't put your hands in any evil to make money, you will remain poor. It's not a threat, it's a reality understood only by few. It doesn't mean you will become a millionaire if you pay your Tithe, but, God will keep destiny stealers away from you.

Tithe is a defence. The devourer (Sickness, cinstant deads in the family, police/court cases, all manner of crises which takes money away from you will be kept away. God did not promise to give us money when we pay our Tithes, he promised a BLESSING. WHAT IS A BLESSING, IS IT MONEY?

Satan understands this mystery deeply hence, he is attacking it making stupid Christians not to pay. (Did you hear it? You Pay it, you don't give it, It's payment). It is a debt that you owe God.

You guys go to satan satan to get what you need, is it free?

You are into business, you pay huge bribes, even as simply as Yahoo, you consult demons.

Bigtime money Men, are deep into satanism, do you want to know how much they sacriices to their demons?

Why not you satanists leave us alone? How can one compare my 10% to what satan takes from you?

Must people, sell all they have, borrow join to give to their demons, yet you won't let me be.


If you don't want to pay Tithe, then don't, but trust me, you'll pay it (Pay it), to satan. Hospital bills, burials, accidents, cases, bribes to get things done. You'll pay far more.

Shalom.

Saverin:
scared?

As a matter of fact, I am energized

The consolation of a dying man.

You totally ignore it and walj on if it doesn't scare you.

Lomprico2:
Pastors fighting hard to save their business!

#freethesheepies

Do you know why satan and you his agents fight giving this much? He knows that giving (Especially giving your all, especially when you are in need), is the surest way of opening thw realm of the spirits for financial dominion, hence, he is waging war against it.

For Ages this truth has been securely hidden from the Church, but now, men who are led by the Spirit are seeing this and opening the eyes of others, satan has gone beserk.

Satan loves to see Christians poor so that he can make them compromise and bend to him, but, that is changing and it will change for good.

Money empowers, and satan can not watch Christians empowered, but we shall be.


That said, I'm not in support of pastors buying Private Jets. One is okay, but many, No. Jets are expensive to maintian.

Let the money be used for missions, Orphans and the hungry.

Again, Giving is the only way out of poverty.

mmsen:
According to the Quran and the Bible slavery is fine.

Domestic abuse is acceptable.

Rape is acceptable.

Child abuse is acceptable.

Meanwhile birth control is a problem.

Religion provides the most useless moral framework and that is why the most religious societies are also the most chaotic.

If you were a smart one, you'd pin a Bible passage beside every point you made.

Lolzz, you can't help yourself can you?

segunojo866:
son of a bitch. If am seun i will banned you from nairaland because of this stupid post. Do you think you are smart? Please clap for your ignorance.

Wow See venom. You just proved me right. Lol.
You can summon Seun and all the Mods to ban me for life sef, the truth wont change. All Atheists are demons posaeased. Doesn't he know that he is demons possessed?

And Segun Ojo, you just manidested the personality living inside of you. If it wasn't true, you won't be so piqqed.

Get yourself delivered from those demons, because they'll jump out of you the moment you die and enter someone else, but you'll stand before God and take responsibly for all the Will power you subletted to devils to use you.

paxonel:
This is exactly what I'm saying?
How can you be going to church from your childhood till now yet you still do not know that you are saved?
That means you have not been thought.
That's why you find yourself keep going.
For how long?

Obviously, something is very wrong with that kinda system

Lolzzzz. Were we told to stop going to Church when we get saved?

And you are an alien to this system, so you shd stop concerning yourself with it's tenets.

Saverin:
there is no hellfire

Why then are you scared?