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lordchiz:
Bros ....are u for real?
With d 9Se 712 processor optimize than 730 on k20?
On top of 3 against 4000mah?
Kai bros....u fall hand here!
This is getting childish already ....
Pls Atheistandproud... disqualify this Match!
Lets have another!

Who said 712 optimises better, I said smaller screen!

@ the bolded, this ur guerrilla tactics will not work with me

genius43:
You skipped comparing the Snapdragon 712 Vs 730 and running to it's 2 steps ahead senior brother SD 855 to find solace, which is the basis of our argument.

And you mentioned the SD 675. Common the SD 712 is just in your words "marginally" better than it but that won't make me recommend the RN7pro over the Mi 9 SE.

All I asked for is a task the 730 can perform but the 712 can't.

See I once sold my Samsung galaxy note 4 and bought a Samsung c7pro with inferior chipset, but everything I was able to do on the note 4, I did flawlessly on the c7pro

genius43:
Where is the comparison with the K20 in the attachment you posted?

Design is subjective. What I like might not be what another likes. There are people who don't like any form of notch, there are those who prefer the iPhone X kinda notch to all this other iteration of notches.

This your argument is null and void.

But your ally listed it as a point in favour of the K20

Mykcool:
Design is also down to preference

Then why did he list it as a strong point for the k20

genius43:
You are running around in circles.

The Redmi K20/Mi 9T Vs Mi 9SE stick to it.

Since you want to deviate let me educate you.

Battery life of any phone is dependent on factors which include Battery size, battery optimization, battery efficient processor and sometimes the UI it runs on.

Back to the Mi 9 SE Vs Mi 9T/K20

Do you think if the both phones have the same battery the Mi 9SE will out last the K20 despite its smaller display? Not really.

Why? The SD 730 is more power efficient than the SD 712 thanks to the 8nm process the formal employs.


If battery don't matter, why did people prefer the S10+ to the regular S10?
And if you don't know the S10 + is the flagship from the S10 line up.

You are basing battery size on S10, is S10 the only flagship you look up to or is it the golden boy of all flagships? No. Let me run down a list of flagship devices of 2019 and see if your analysis is not wrong.

Huawei P30 pro - 4200mah
Asus ZenFone 6Z - 5000mah
Lenovo Z6 pro - 4000mah
OnePlus 7 pro - 4000mah
Sony Xperia 1 -3300mah
Xiaomi Mi 9 - 3300mah
Samsung S10 + - 4100mah
Honor 20 Pro -4000mah
Redmi K20 Pro - 4000mah.

Can you now see that the trend is changing.

Don't be bias and blind in arguments

Thank u, so people choose the S10+ over the S10 because of the battery? I know you're joking right. Otherwise why don't they choose the M30 with a better battery.
A phone that lasts u a day on a single charge isn't cool enough for u? Even then y'all still carry power bank around.

Talking about flagships, I can see u conveniently left out iPhone. Remind me their battery capacity.
You can also add the latest Tecno phantom with 3400 may for good measure

abdsamad:
Mi9 se isn't better than the mi 9t.
This is a madgoat argument that will surprisingly end in the mi 9se defender buying a mi 9t down the road anyway.

SE is a better fit for some but overall it's a step below or on par with the 9t, depending on who u ask.
haven't used dem but I'm hoping i can trick ur minds to just accept it n stop running around in circles

Oh I see, you guys are shifting small small I tot u guyz said it was a no contest from the start

MeshachMARTINS:
If a phone have all these over another, what doesn't make it better than the other?
PS: the mi 9t is just new,the price is yet to drop,so comparing its price to the already fallen price of the 9se is biased
So if its se u can get,be happy and hold your peace,instead of saying it better than what it isn't, xiaomi aint stupid, people buying 9t over se ain't mad .
You base your argument on your personal preference while others base their own on general preference.
I personally like 9se for its compact size,but i can't say its better than mi 9t,when am not blind

As the price of the k20 drops, the price of the mi 9 SE drops further

scotweezy:
@godspeed list 5 strong relevant features the mi9se has over the mi9T save for the more compact size?

Why? You listed just 2, why should I give 5? Anyway you've helped me with one, I'll give the other soon

Newness

Yes, I know this is your biggest point, it's newer, then it better than the"older" phones. Following that logic, I guess ur beloved K20 is better than the mi 9.

Like I said earlier, I seriously considered buying the mi 8 of last year what swayed me towards the mi 9 SE is basically the size and I have been wowed by it since

Earphone jack

Another ridiculous feature in 2019, something iPhone have ditched for 5 years. Who cares about that? But if you do, the mi 9 SE comes with an adaptor and an earpiece. I didn't even remove them from the carton.

So much for the significant points, now let's move on to the irrelevances Add ons

Radio

I'll give the same response I gave earlier,


that is exactly why u don't need radio on ur phone, cos there is internet radio!
I presume u have DSTV at home and I'm sure u are aware it has awesome radio stations, how many times have you ever tuned to them?

Remember those phones of 10 years ago that have television, why is there no brand putting television on their phones today?

Talking about radio in the smartphones of 2019 is so ridiculous, the premium brands apple and Samsung have removed it from their phones for not less than five years, I doubt even if apple had the feature right from time.

Sincerely, if I'm to choose between two phones of exact same spec and maker, say Nokia 6 and one has a radio and the other doesn't, believe me that will never influence my decision, in that case it's the colour that will decide.

Like I said earlier, I asked my colleagues in the office if anyone still listens to radio on there phones and they were all stunned.

Believe me the radio feature is also going the way of the television feature

Design

This is a no brainer, the design of the SE is far better than the K20, thank God genius has posted a link that settles that, besides the k20 looks so ugly at least from the back while the SE looks so premium both front and back.

I'll still post a YouTube link by a k20 fan who concedes the mi 9 SE has better design

The second point is:

Battery

Here, we also know who wins, 3070ah Vs 4000mah. But in the smart phone world, this doesn't tell the whole story. Phones, particularly chipset, always have their way of optimizing power, the SE has a much smaller screen and can optimise it's battery. The battery on this full lasts a full day on a single charge, tell me is that not good enough? And it's not as if the 4000mah lasts for 2days.

Again, premium brand like Apple and Samsung have Less than 4000mah on their flagship and nobody is complaining though those phones do more processes than the k20.

Samsung M30 has a 5000mah battery,are you going to choose it above the S10 with 3400 man?

Even Xiaomi mi 9 has 3300mah, are u going to choose the k20 over it?

Of course, I understand the consideration in the above scenarios are much more than battery, but at least that still proves a point that a better battery does not tell the whole story.

The funny thing is, no matter the capacity of ur battery, people still carry power banks around.

godspeed:
Now to the argument proper. The quote up there just about sums up why k 20 fans believe their device is superior.

I've separated them into 2
1. The critical
- processor
- battery

2 (what in my mind I call"irrelevancies" but for the purpose of this argument I call "add ons"
-design
-radio
-earphone jack
-newness ( in reality, this is what shacks them)

I'll be examined the points one by one per post

Let's start with processor, no doubts, everyone knows which device wins here but then, this is sd730 Vs Sd 712, the difference ain't noticeable in everyday use . Nobody can tell the difference by handling both devices you need to check the specs before you can tell .

Even then, this is still comparing the same 7** series chipset, it's not like comparing 7** and 8**.

Let's face it, there is nothing you throw at the730 that the 712 cannot also take. I challenge you to name one task the k20 will handle better than the mi 9 SE.

People talk about gaming, the truth is hardcore gamers will always go for SD 855 nothing less will do. It's just like laptops, hardcore gamers go for Gaming laptops while the everyday user go for something less.

In truth, is" Actually anything 675 or above is fast nowadays, the chips has gotten so good these days even tht mid-range ones are not being fully utilized to they do potential in most tasks. The major difference has always been the GPU but I have yet to found a game that the 675 doesn't play well at decent graphic settings" https://amp.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/comments/c06gfg/sd730_vs_sd855/

In summary I'll borrow a quote from one of the k20 fans here:

MeshachMARTINS:
If a phone have all these over another, what doesn't make it better than the other?
PS: the mi 9t is just new,the price is yet to drop,so comparing its price to the already fallen price of the 9se is biased
So if its se u can get,be happy and hold your peace,instead of saying it better than what it isn't, xiaomi aint stupid, people buying 9t over se ain't mad .
You base your argument on your personal preference while others base their own on general preference.
I personally like 9se for its compact size,but i can't say its better than mi 9t,when am not blind

Bros, ur bodi dey hot. Cool down, we'll thrash it one by one.

genius43:
Everyone this is the result of the compare tool, best view is in desktop mode.

https://www.kimovil.com/en/compare/xiaomi-mi-9-se-128gb,xiaomi-redmi-k20-6gb-128gb-cn

Copy all and paste in your browser.

Surprise surprise, I guess this changes from time to time, what I pasted was what I found immediately u posted yours. I'll keep an eye on the site and paste when the score changes again.

But then, is this ur proof. Is that not marginal as it can be?

Even at that, I think which device has the better camera is now settled cos I'll be using this fact in subsequent argument

genius43:
If you knew, why are you disputing the results of the compare tool I posted above. Is that not double standards?

Cos it result is not what I found there!

scotweezy:
The Processor, Battery, Design(especially the Fullscreen), Missing bits on the Mi9SE(like radio and 3.5mm jack) and it is the Newer device.

Now to the argument proper. The quote up there just about sums up why k 20 fans believe their device is superior.

I've separated them into 2
1. The critical
- processor
- battery

2 (what in my mind I call"irrelevancies" but for the purpose of this argument I call "add ons"
-design
-radio
-earphone jack
-newness ( in reality, this is what shacks them)

I'll be examining the points one by one per post

Z

genius43:
There is something called compare tool on that same website, like GSMARENA which you confidently used earlier on. Come on you can do better.

. You aren't the one to tell me that, I already did and it is similar to the result on gsmarena.

U think I'm just seeing that site, something I've been using for long.

atheistandproud:
Seems like I haven't missed much.

Yes yes welcome welcome. It's like my hype machine really got everyone buzzing.

Now to the fight at hand.

Which is the better phone? MI9SE Vs K20 PRO

Which would you buy if you had the money and why?

Kick off imminent. Let's go.

Alright, K20 PRO fans base their superior arguments on the points I'll quote from one of them in my next post.

We will start from there

genius43:
Am I the one that built that website?.

Like I said the other day, you are terrible at arguments. Accepting defeat don't make you weaker.

I was saying ur attachment is wrong, both devices scored the same as against what u posted.

I was posting the attachment when u responded

genius43:
Ok.

See u, always manipulating the facts,.

Here it is, who wins in camera and design?

Mykcool:
So after all the anticipation and advert towards this weekend bout of arguments even hiring a foreign commentator, nothing fiery is happening

Lol

That's because I'm waiting for all the K20 gladiators to come online before I start the firing.

And if u don't mind, can we start now?

genius43:
It is not an overall better device. Sulk it up and deal with it. You are more than this.

Wait till the end of the debate

fantilopezzy:
lets go back to the origin of the argument

what's actually your point
cost effective?
overall better device?
better specs?
or what?

Cost effective. But I'm past that now, I'm on overall better device and I'll prove it.

MeshachMARTINS:
Godspeed pls stop this unnecessary argument and hold your peace...

Its just like saying mi play is better than redmi 7 because its cheaper and smaller

Abi You expect the price of a recently launched phone to be same as the one that was launched 5months ago?

Btw sd730 is a rebranded/more efficient version of the sd835, while 712 is more like 821...so there is a margin when doing performance intensive stuff like gaming nd video editing

If no one uses radio anymore ,why is there still online radio, why do Samsung keep putting headphone jack on their flagship if wired is old school... Bluetooth headphones that needs to be charged and are also more expensive....

The newer udfingerprint isn't the same price as the older gen

Many people don't like small sized phones,that's why most xiaomi phone are big sized,even the redmi 7 that it wasn't expected


I stand to be quoted

Bros cool down, no need to rush. We have the whole weekend to settle this and I'm gonna thrash all ur points one by one systematically.

@ the bolded, yes margin. Margin nobody can tell the difference in real time. And if gaming and video editing is what u value most in a phone, then your choice is simply an sd855 device, you just can't settle for less.

At the second bolded, that is exactly why u don't need radio on ur phone, cos there is internet radio!
I presume u have DSTV at home and I'm sure u are aware it has awesome radio stations, how many times have you ever tuned to them?

Remember those phones of 10 years ago that have television, why is there no brand putting television on their phones today?

genius43:
Even if we speak of the K20 pro at the time of release the price difference was still not up to $100

Who uses retailers prices to judge prices when comparing price points at the time of release?

Having the same camera sensors like you said for the K20PRO and Mi 9SE doesn't equate similar photo outputs.

Ok, so Bros as at today, what's d price difference between the two. I mean SE and k20 pro

Even if the photo outputs are different (which I doubt, cos the SE takes shots as good as the mi 9) the difference will be in computational photography something Gcam is already taking careof

genius43:
Hahahaha.

$100 more expensive? Which universe are you from? GSMARENA pricing are not accurate but estimated. My prices are based on what was stated at launch, what is your pricing based on?

The Mi 9 SE was released in February, the K20 was released in May and at the time of their respective releases the both base configurations cost the same. Now judging based on components which is more expensive?

Put into consideration what is present and absent in each of the devices.

Bros, I'm talking about the k20 pro, I want to compare the mi 9 SE to the more superior k20 pro to see how it holds, then we'll move to our debate proper.

It's even interesting that you cannot even readily see the difference between the k20 and k20 pro from the specs I posted. That says something.

Besides, what you posted up there are just recommended retail price from the manufacturer, in reality the prices were different

There u have it. Apart from 'only' the chipset and the battery ( we'll come to that shortly) what is the difference between both devices. I mean in other key areas like display, OS, connection, protection, NFC, Security, sensors, camera and even design? Yet the k20 pro costs more than 100usd more.

Mr genius tried the other time to prove that the camera in the k20 pro is superior, but this is a lie, the camera specs are the same,
. The SE uses the same main camera as the mi 9

Let me first put the mi 9 SE side by side even the superior k20 pro and see how it holds

2kurupt:
Where are those guys disturbing our cyberspace with unending arguments?

Thought you guys booked weekend for the definitive crunch debate?

If after today I hear phim! about Mi 9se, Mi 9t, Mi band or umidigi watch...

Shegun010
genius43
Dam5reey
atheistandproud
scotweezy
godspeed

Yeah, Saturday is finally here we can get this rolling. I don't intend to have an unhealthy debate with anybody, particularly genius cos he has been of immense help on this thread, this is just to put some things straight.

For those who don't know, this argument started when somebody on here said he'll like to buy the k20 but his budget is limited to only 100k. I recommended the mi 9 SE as an alternative noting the difference between the two is negligible.

Genius took exception to the word "negligible" and said the phones are 2 worlds Apart and before u know it, k20 fan boys jumped on me.

In the camera thread, he even called the SE a failure and a moniker supported him on this thread.

Now, I'm going to stir the honets nest by going all out to prove the the SE is even a better device (claim I didn't make before)