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A40:
Why do I need to convince anyone that is not being interested in being convinced?

We are calling coaches and you're calling a coach that has not won a league title in 16 years. What do you want me to convince again?

You have mentioned Benitez, Simeone, you will still mention Amuneke and Eguavoen at last.

Klopp in 4 seasons has transformed a moribund Liverpool and led them to 3 European Finals, a CL title and their first league title in 30 years. With a lower net spend than his title rivals.[m

What did Simeone do at Athletico Madrid and Benitez at Valencia and Liverpool?

A40:
Benitez has not won a league title in almost 17 years.

As for Pep. Let's see him lead City to a CL semis first and we can take it from there. Even though he's a good coach, I won't join you guys to hype him more than what he is .

You haven't said anything convincing my guy. If you can't convince someone klopp is better or more successful than Benitez then Ancelotti or Simeone how do one take you serious when you say he is better than Pep?

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I'd prefer you use MORE SUCCESSFUL instead of BETTER,
since we are using trophies to rate them

Barcelona second choice goalkeeper may have more trophies than Alisson, but that doesn't make him better

Emery has more trophies than Klopp, but I'm sure a lot of people will pick Klopp over him.

I don't know if you understand my point sha [/color]

Yes I get your point. The problem is how do you make a clear distinction between who is a better coach?Is it trophies, achievement,Records, Champions league won etc. Anything that puts klopp above Pep also puts Benitez above Pep which you will agree is laughable.

donstan18:
Mehn! It's fvcking annoying.

Liverpool is currently doing well and I applaud them for that because it's not easy.

Klop is also doing well, no doubt.

But how can a supposed reasonable person compare Klopp to Pep? Is the person mad??

No amount of context that could be applied would put Klopp ahead of even Benitez talkless of Pep and Mourinho.

airmark:
I asked you a question, you replied by asking me a question.
Ancelotti and Mourinho, won ucl titles with two different sets of players. When will this overrated Pep Fraudiola reach Ucl final, without Messi? Not even asking him to win it, just reach final.

You still haven't said anything. Is klopp better than Mourinho, Ancelotti or Benitez? Its a simple question. Your answer will determine how we proceed.

donstan18:
You even went far calling Benitez.

Emery is even more successful than Klopp.


He's good, but e still get level wey em dey operate.

Emery is younger and more successful than him.

That's what I was telling A40.
If you can't make a convincing argument that places klopp above a coach like Benitez then how would you expect people to take you seriously when you now place him above coaches like Pep and Mourinho who are serial winners all through their careers.

airmark:
When will this Pep Fraudiola reach Ucl final without Messi? The same Fraudiola getting knocked out by Bakayoko's Monaco and Pochettino's Spurs, is who you are hyping.

Klopp is exposing Fraudiola as a local coach, without Messi. Raumdeuter and A40 concur, as he destroyed Bayern Munich.

Is klopp better than Benitez, Mourinho and anceloti? Don't start a debate if you not ready to write a convincing point rather than repeating the same cliche.

A40:
What level can be higher than leading a team to their first league title in 30 years amassing 67 points from a possible 69 so far. When in the history of European football has a team won 22 out of its first 23 league games in a top 3 European league?

One has to make a convincing argument first that Klopp is better than Benitez, and after that that he is better than Ancelotti, Mourinho and some other coaches before even trying to compare him against Pep.

Jodera:
[b][/b] I think this is what people are missing when comparing this Liverpool team with Man u squad of 2007/2008 or Chelsea 2004/2005. Klopp is the key here not the squad, and if he's to coach this present squad, then I put my money on Liverpool to hypothetically win too( tho with a slim margin)

2004/2005 Chelsea is prime Mourinho. There is no premier league team I am betting against that team . 15goals conceded in 38matches with a back line of Bridge-Terry-Gallas-Ferreira.

spillo1:
LMFAO.......Calm down bro. 2 good finishes and a tap in a glorified Dutch League should not get you wetting your pants.

The league is wild. Even the useless and shitt teams bomb forward like mad men.

Elnino4ladies:
Oops!!! 35 career league goals Ivanovic, John Terry has more

ok.

Elnino4ladies:
Wait Iniesta has 26 career league goals?
Azzin 2 and 6??
Lampard scored 27 in 2009/10 season.

How did he escape banter all these years?

Twitter copy and paste merchant weh done. Iniesta does not have 26 career league goals.

LegoxMetahuman:
who is watching McGregor vs cowboy early tomorrow?

Its a boring match up In the sense we already know the winner. This fight has been picked very carefully by Conor and his men. He needs a win against credible opposition and Cerrone fits the bill perfectly! A man with records and good standing, but also a fighter who loses big fights. Cowboy is a choker so easy W for McGregor.

herzernIsHere:
Abeg. . .Make fear of God dey guide us before we carry phone type on NL ooh.

This is just soo wrong. This Liverpool team will comfortably and confidently win any league in Europe.

Have you seen Liverpool away record in the champions league?

A40:
What's the earliest time a team has been crowned Champions in EPL history? because Liverpool is about to break it

Maybe it's just me but there is nothing really special about this Liverpool side. They are just capitalising on a weak Premier league at the moment.

Ibime:
There is no standing 8 count in MMA and that makes it safer than boxing. If you cannot recover and fight back immediately after a knockdown, the ref will stop the fight, saving you from potential brain injury. . . unlike in boxing where you can get knocked down 4 times like Joshua and fight continues. You will take more superficial injuries in MMA but less fatal brain injuries.

In my opinion Its easier to defend yourself in boxing if you are out matched and you are safer as you can just drop to the ground and its over . Joao Carvalho who died was punched 9 times in the head when he was on the ground with no signs of him being able to defend himself. MMA is too brutal and it's ground and pound element also results to many negativity. No one wants to see a semi conscious defenceless person take 5-10 full force blows to the head before ref steps in. That needs to change.

afrodoc2:
That guy deserved what he got. He was shouting "MAGA this, MAGA that", so our Auchi brother decided to shut his mouth (in more ways than one).

That guy was brutal lol.

Normally if you're that injured in a UFC fight they don't let you continue. He told his corner his jaw was broken and they let him continue and get hit in the face for two more rounds! His corner must not even like him.

rationalmind:
I can barely watch it. How people manage to enjoy it is a mystery to me.

The last time I watched it, I ran to Google. I wanted to understand why this seemingly dangerous sporting activity is yet to be banned only to find numerous articles stating its a lot safer than boxing. So I guess there's no stopping it anytime soon

I have watched plenty of ultimate fighting and it's too brutal. In fact, I don’t think ultimate fighting is a sport at all. It’s violence presented as entertainment and should be banned.

A40

UFC should be banned as a sport. It's too brutal to be just a game.

seankafor:
why he gonna reply again for?
He already won without releasing any clapback

2 people you should never beef in the rap industry Eminem and 50cent. Eminem will end your career while 50cent is petty as Bleep and will do anything to win.

nihilistjnr:
Bro, you said he's always ducked his mandatories here



That's what I'm asking about.

AJ was not a mandatory to Ortiz, so who are these mandatories he has ducked?

AJ was definitely a mandatory. Rejected a 7 million offer which would have been his highest paycheck in his career and a shot at 3 titles. He definitely ducked AJ and Dillian Whyte also revealed Ortiz rejected a £2M offer to fight him. Boogeymen doesn't reject offers.

afrodoc2:
Ortiz camp said he was offered little money, AJ ‘s camp said it was 7m.

Like i said before, the fact that Ruiz did it does not mean a 40yr old should do it

Anyway your claim was that Ortiz has been ducking mandatories. This AJ story does not qualify, and even if true a single event does not confirm a trend.

Maybe,maybe not but he was a chicken for rejecting. but when your highest pay day was 500k vs wilder and you are offered 7 million and a shot at 3 titles isn’t enough i don't know what will ever make him fight AJ. That is what you call a ducker. He ducked AJ after saying this in February

“So look, if you want to fight I’m here and stop saying I priced myself out because I’ve never had no offers to fight you. With all respect to you for all you have done, I’ll fight you for just about any money you offer me so if you can’t work out the Miller fight, I’m here and ready." He also had 6 weeks Notice with wilder, which is the exact time he would have had

I made my conclusion from the AJ rejection and his entire career till date.

afrodoc2:
It was at short notice to replace Jarrell Miller. Who knows what shape Ortiz was in? Not everybody can fight fat like Ruiz

PLUS I would take anything Eddie Hearn says with a bag of salt. That guy is as slimy as they come.

I think it was confirmed by both camp

It was over 5 weeks, it wasn’t long after his previous fight so he should have been fit enough, it was more than enough time for Ruiz.

nihilistjnr:
Which Povetkin?

Just out of interest, who did Ortiz duck?

This is news to me

Joshua and his manager offered him 7million, ten times his biggest payday but he refused.

A40:
Let's agree he has been fighting bums (same applies to Fury anyway) in fact the only guy who has consistently fought top 10-20 heavies is actually AJ

Ahhh there you go with this outboxing business again. Deontay Wilder is not a boxer, I mean people talked about Tyson lacking boxing skills and being a bruiser. Wilder is even worse but unlike Tyson he doesn't even need a combo to drop you flat on your back

What good is your boxing skills if you can't avoid Wilder's right?

Agreed AJ boxing resumen has been impressive.


Maybe I am putting too much emphasis on “boxing” and not enough on winning. Wilder is at the top because he has the tools to win, which at the end of the day is all that matters I just like my boxers to be technically gifted.

A40:
He said if himself. He just needs two seconds of perfection. I think if you can defend your belt 10 times you're surely doing something right

It's not about getting outboxed. Wilder is a KO artist and not a boxer. This man has been in 43 fights, only two has gone the distance. This man is not out to win rounds or outbox you he's out to knock you the fuq out

The Fury I saw vs Wallin has a lottt of work to do. He will have to go for the K.O this time else there is no guarantee he would rise from another knockdown

Knockout artists rarely ever lose on points you either knock them out or get knocked out

Rematch between Fury and Wilder has been officially fixed for the 22nd of February. Who are you rooting for?

nihilistjnr:
Ortiz was unbeaten before he met Wilder

Wilder took his O, and gave him the 2 Ls of his career.

So please stop saying Ortiz is old like that's an excuse. Why is no-one else beating his old äss then?

Ortiz has always ran away from the mandatories.
You can't avoid mandatories and he could have easily forced his way into a championship fight long before fighting Wilder if he wasn't a chicken.

Ortiz has never been avoided but rather he was avoiding everyone to pad his undefeated record. And then it was fed to Wilder, twice. If Ortiz is thrown into a ring with someone like Povetkin he will be exposed as a fake buggy man and then the two wins Wilder has over him will look quite bad and ordinary.

nihilistjnr:
You have a very good point here, but let's not forget that Fury also needed the refs help to draw that fight.

The Koko here is that unfortunately it doesn't look like there is anybody in the division currently that can exploit his weaknesses.

Imagine outboxing a nigga for 7 rounds and still going home in a body bag.

I mean where do you go from there?

I swear my guy this was what I was tell A40. He has so many weaknesses that I don't know why others are not taking advantages of. Joshua will be a good match up and even Ruiz. He ate some serious headshots from Parker and Joshua and still kept going. I know Wilder's power is god level but so is ruiz 's chin also.

A40:
Breazale and Stiverne aren't pygmies.

Forget Dr Steel hammer. His era was one the wackest in Heavyweight history. We saw his punching power vs Fury where he barely touched him all 12 rounds. Wilder has his weaknesses but 10 title defenses tells me he hasn't been exposed yet

Well he has been fighting bums all along. He was fighting unranked cruiserweights in his 20th bout and his title defences have been a joke up until the last 4 fights . Most of his 10 title defense have been against bums, with the exception of Fury (who beat him) and Ortiz (who is pushing 70).

He has been outboxed by the likes of Washington, Szpilka and was 5-1 down on my card against an old man Ortiz before he got the KO. Thing about Wilder, he's the only boxer that is always getting outboxed, yet you always know he's gona win in the end.

nihilistjnr:
Forget all that one o.

Obviously, Wilder isnt trying too hard in sparring at the champs training camp

Person wey no get technique, only KOs, and hes not allowed to use his KO ability, what do you expect really?

It was fury that said wlad disciplined deontay, but fury beat wlad, and got dropped twice by wilder.

Audley Harrison used Wilder in his camp against David Price, and Wilder injured but didn't ko him.

When they met in the ring properly, wilder officially ended his career.

Bro I used to be standing on your ledge before, that a technical boxer would eat wilder alive.

Now I'm off that...that guys hand is the equalizer

Wilder has scary power, but lets not get carried away and act like every second of every fight is just according to Wilder's plan. He was getting outboxed, and he was losing rounds. If that's a professional fighter's gameplan, it's not a commendable one even given Wilder's power. That sort of tactic will work until it doesn't, and it almost didn't against Fury. He will soon gets his long over due L come February 22nd.

A40:
Sometimes that is all you need. It's worked for him his last 43 fights. Who are we to question his skills when almost 40 professional boxers have failed to solve his puzzle.

I have no problem with a limited fighter that finds a way to get it done. Wilder has a durable chin and a ton of heart too so he can stay upright while trying to find his way. You can wobble him but you won't drop him. Even your Fury got caught twice and has been dancing around a rematch ever since.

If a cab man like Otto Wallin left Fury bleeding what do you think will happen when he faces a fighter who has nuclear warheads for hands. Especially considering Fury himself lacks KO power which means Wilder for all his lack of skill will always be in the fight regardless

The Fury that showed up against Wallin doesn't have a chance in hell against the Wilder and I don't want to ever see that Fury again.

I just know Wilder is limited and looking for the knock out all the time won't work on aggressive fighters or smart ones like the gypsy king. Everybody knew Fury won the first match and the draw decision was even questionable to many.

I can't believe how many heavyweights have fallen into this same trap over and over and over again, It's not like Wilder is doing anything special or different in there. It's the same thing double jab then a straight right down the windpipe.

The real question people need to ask is that this guy is a one handed fighter he can only knock you out with a right hand I am asking myself how and why no one has been able to neutralize his right hand. If the punch was coming in from a weird angle or at blinding speed then it makes sense but it isn't any of those things it's a straight right.


Compare and contrast Manny Pacquiao, back in the day Manny could only knock you out with a straight left hand this was his bread and butter punch. Then when he came into contact with JMM and after the first round JMM neutralized the effectiveness of that punch. This is why Freddie Roach prevented Manny from immediately rematching him and sought to develop Manny's right hand hence the term Manilla Ice for his right hook. The thing with Manny though at least he had blinding footspeed, great footwork, a threw loads of punches and threw them from crazy angles. Deontay, on the other hand is just basic and I get that he hits hard I understand that I really do but there are so many ways you can shut it down which Fury did to some level. At the elite level of the lighter weight classes, you need way more than just one trick to become a consistent and long term champion.

Wilder is literally a Jab and a straight right, pretty much how Klitschko was a jab jab grab fighter. Though with Wlad at least he had great boxing skills while Wilder has none.

nihilistjnr:
Did you watch the first fight between both men?

Fury outboxed Wilder in all 12 rounds.

Most people had Fury ahead on points....but Fury was sent to the canvass 3 times.

The last time, Fury went to meet his maker but was sent back at gate to go and finish the round

You sound like you're trying to provide some sort of insight with this post.

Let me give you the real gist now. Nobody is beating wilder on points...it's not going to happen.

Your only hope is to KO the Mofo, or you accept the KO. And many e.g Ortiz and Stiverne have rattled the man, buzzed him well, rung his bell, but his chin is terminator like.

If you think you're going to circling or setting traps for a nigga that doesn't even care about foot placement, stance or ring control, you're on a long thing.

Wilder has changed the game.

Wilder is not invisible my friend.He has a few things to change. I know he has the punch and he figures he can lose rounds because he will eventually catch his opponent and put him to sleep but that's not going to keep working. Technically it didn't work against Fury, he lost all but 3, maybe 4 rounds against him and just happened to get a lucky draw out of it. He has to throw some punches. He paws with a jab and just avoids any exchange. Other than the couple big rights he lands per fight, he struggles to create his own offense. He threw a few really nice left hooks to the body in the seventh against Ortiz but even that is a problem because as he throws that punch, his right hand drops, he gets taller and opens himself up. Landing 4 punches a round through the 1st 5 rounds might work against a 40 year old opponent that can only press the action for a few seconds at a time but it won't work against Ruiz, Fury, Joshua, or anyone else who isn't afraid to be aggressive with him. I dont even see Ruiz getting KO'd, even by Wilder. He ate some serious headshots from Parker and Joshua and just kept on coming at them. I know Wilder's power is next-level but so is Ruiz's chin.