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Cc A40
I told you bro. I said it last year . Fury is the Man

Swissh:

Should win PFA player of the year if he matches or surpass Henry record.

pamcode:
Not all but most. Off hand I can mention that they didn't deserve to win the Chelsea game, Tottenham 2nd leg, Wolves first leg, United first leg, Sheffield first leg.
All this game either had the opposition losing easy chances or they conceding from stupid mistakes.

And the bold is exactly the premise of my argument. Liverpool have not played anything this season to be having 20+ point gap and anybody who have watched thier matches can attest to that. The point tally does not reflect their true quality/strength of the team.

Greatihex:
man city hit 98 points last season with just liverpool as competition and pool get up with them. what do you think would have happened if the league last season had 2 other liverpools at that level?

you just making it sound like Angels are playing for liverpool and that whatever level the other teams would have been at; liverpool will still top everyone with 22 points.

No

I swear any time a40 says that I get irritated.. He just keeps saying even if you put all the best teams in history together with Liverpool in the league they will be still be 20+ points ahead like it's actually angels playing for them.

pamcode:
How many teams have they 'blown' away. The Liverpool games I have seen this season they have had to dig deep to win. There were some you knew they had no business winning but still managed to get all three points.

All the cups that have won this season and last have been gritted wins.

Finally somebody who is getting somewhere. I assume you have watched most of Liverpool matches this season so I will ask a simple question. Does Liverpool performance in the league this season reflect their actually point tally?

Melvyn11:
Very laughable.

It's called being hypocritical.

A40:
When you finish with this long epistle come and show me the team that has gone unbeaten in Europe and in their respective league in the last 40 years

You are just dragging for argument sakes. Liverpool league tally this season is not a true reflection of the team ability or quality but rather of how garbage the league is. The contrast between their European performances and domestic this season is a proof of that.You can go on turning Amala if you like but I am done. So Wilder and fury next week, who are you rooting for?

Melvyn11:
I blame useless Barca for all these talks about anfield this and anfield that. If Barca were not bottlers the myth about anfield won't fly. Teams have gone their in the champions league this season and given them tough matches. Atletico are the exact team with the defensive ability and discipline to frustrate Liverpool.

You just have to look at Liverpool clean sheet record in the champions league to know they are not as dominant as in the league. Just one clean sheet in 7 games.

Melvyn11:
You just have to look at the top 10 in the league table to know how garbage the league is. If any other team in rest top 4 leagues had Liverpool exact record this season the Epl fanboys won't care about the other positions from 2nd to 20th position or the slight margin between 3rd and 4th. They will downgrade the team and make statements that they are only good because of no competition and the rest teams are useless. Now that Liverpool are playing garbage teams weak in and weak out they suddenly care about the entire structure of the league.

Now someone is showing us point tally between 3rd and 11th to show us the league is not garbage. Lmaaooo

nihilistjnr:
Chelsea is sitting comfortably in 4th, only one point above Spurs in 5th, 2 points above Sheffield in 6th, 3 above United in 7.

And Chelsea play Spurs next.

Comfortable. Very Comfortable.

Mehn you people are so dumb.

Please keep your condescension to yourself if you can't read a full sentence

Godx:
Comprehension is lost on some people. They saw Leicester in a post and suddenly assumed Liverpool are Leicester. Out of 25matches this seasons the rest top 3 have a win ratio of 64%,60% and 40%. Yes Chelsea sitting comfortably in 4th for 2 months now have a win ratio of 40% with 7 losses from November up till now.

Melvyn11:
Spot on

Comprehension is lost on some people. They saw Leicester in a post and suddenly assumed Liverpool are Leicester. Out of 25matches this seasons the rest top 3 have a win ratio of 64%,60% and 40%. Yes Chelsea sitting comfortably in 4th for 2 months now have a win ratio of 40% with 7 losses from November up till now.

Skimpledawg:
My guy, you didnt make any sense with that post.

Ok.

kendrick93:
[s] Another nonsense...
Liverpool are back to back Cl finalists,winning one.
Last season they got 97 points losing only one game....
Just because they lost to an atletcio team who are notoriously difficult to break down, so that makes them a Leicester?
Even the so called great barca teams lost 7-0 to Bayern, the great Bayern team managed by pep was also knocked out by atletico...
what kinda beer parlour analysis be this one [/s]

I hope you don't have reading and comprehension disability.

Melvyn11:
You have said nothing. This is arguably the second weakest primer league season in history. The fourth placed team is on course to finish with 60-63 points. That's a shit total for a 4th place finish.

They are basically having a Leicester season. Winning the league In a year every other top team are in shambles. That what I told a40 before the match even started. Liverpool league campaign up on till now does not reflect their true quality of a team or how good they are. They have a 96% win ratio in the league and 57% win ratio in Europe.

patrickmuf:
The Manchester United, Arsenal and Chelsea that was feared, are they the same as the one you saw in the past 2 seasons? Yes or no?

You didn't answer my question. All the other top teams in England this season has been piss poor.

patrickmuf:
Your attempt to rubbish the EPL is DOA...

Liverpool are just doing excellently doesn't mean City, Chelsea, Spurs and the likes are shit. If they were garbage, they'd never have made it to the round of 16...Simple logic na it dey hard a whole you.

Are city, Chelsea,Spurs, United and arsenal not shit this season?

Leyqute:
Napoli didn’t play Liverpool in the knockout stages.

and it is relevant because?

Melvyn11:
Unbeaten my ass. Godx you are very right. The Epl clubs are Useless.

Atletico had good opportunities to extend their lead. Liverpool had 0 shots on target. Game fell perfectly for Atletico with the early goal. They defended so well, the organisation was so good.

Leyqute:
Atletico won’t survive Anfield. You see the ginger wey Simeone and Atl fans do at Metropolitano? Liverpool fans go do x5 of it at Anfield.

Napoli won Liverpool and didn't lose at Anfield. You are using what Liverpool did to Barca to think atletico have no chance.

A40:
Why will they have competition when they don't slip up? Had they slipped up like last season they would have had a competitor.

Who was Pep's competitor when he and City reached 100 points in 2018. My argument is your initial premise of wanting to finish or accumulate a certain number of points based on your competition is erroneous and complete fahrvegnugen

My initial premise is that saying Liverpool with their point tally of 95 would win every league title except 2 is technically correct but when context is added it's not possible because their is a possibility of them not matching that tally in other previous seasons. I basically said Liverpool gaining 95 points in 2019 doesn't mean they will do that in 2002 or 2009 . The way you prepare against a car that covers 20km/s is not the same way you prepare against a car that covers 50km/s.

A40:
So what is Liverpool's objective now that they are 25 points ahead of the rest? They can lose 7 matches in a row and still win the league.

Your argument is neither here nor there

Who is their competition? Your argument is the one neither here or there. I specifically stated nearest competitor in a title race.

A40:
Nyet Nyet.

I am combining both seasons to highlight their consistency. They went one better in England and in Europe after previous failures. I see a team that learned from previous mistakes. You are making excuses for the rest of the field

In Europe and England over the last 4 iterations the only constant has been Liverpool. They have raised the bar to the level that other teams can't cope. The games they drew last year they are winning this year

What happened in Europe? Why was no team up for the challenge as well?

Stop making excuses. Give credit where it's due

Liverpool have lost so many matches in Europe during the past 2 seasons. When the got to their first final they meet a Madrid who thoroughly defeated them. They meet a challenge as equal to them and lost. They meet a city team in the league equal to them and also lost. Infact the only time time Liverpool have won either the champions league or the Europa league just for the sake of illustration is when they meet an English team.

A40:
You are not giving any credit at all.

That's why you are still drumming on this weak league line for a team that is quite clearly the best in Europe

I will like to know on what basis you proclaiming them the best team in Europe? If it's because they won the champions league last season then they are loopholes to that.

A40:
That tells me there are better teams in Europe than in England but still does not diminish the fact that they are the best team in Europe.

So if they are good enough for Europe and still dominate the league. Why then are you making excuses instead of giving due credit

When they are not as dominant in Europe as they are in the league then questions will be raised how good the team is or are they just being helped by the massive gap in quality in the league which Liverpool tally in the ucl and league points too.

A40:
How can it not work?

If for nothing else that will at least help you appreciate the difficulty of opposition and what it took for them to not win the league.

You literally cannot prove that they don't win the league any other year but those two years. I can theoretically say they can but you have absolutely no shot at proving they can't

You can only match your nearest competitor. If I am in a title race and my nearest opponent can only attain 80 to 90 points that will also be my objective. One can say Liverpool only reached 95points because that's what it will take to catch City. If the previous past winners were up against a team guaranteed to reach 96points then that will also be their objective.

A40:
Based on what evidence? They only lost 1 the previous season. What you are witnessing is a team at its peak. Simple!! I don't know why you are stretching yourself beyond biological boundaries to discredit them

You keep combining both seasons in order to make them what they are not. Last season is gone and they finished as the best losers. When they meet a team capable of matching them in accumulating wins upon wins the ended up as losers. Now that there is no competition they are running away with it. This should tell you something now imagine if the rest top teams were up for a title challenge.

A40:
Exactly. So give credit where it's due

Credit is given with a bit of context. You are just against any type of context and looking at the raw figures.

A40:
Suggesting La Liga as an uncompetitive and easy league would be fairly accurate considering the resource gap between the haves and have nots.
This is not applicable to EPL

Do you agree EPL was also weak the season Pep won by 19 points or your bias is only applicable to Klopp and Liverpool?

Performance in Europe reflects quality in and of the League. There is a reason we have coefficients mate

The resource gap between the have and have not in England is still big despite the TV revenue and no it doesn't. A team could finish 7th in league and yet still go on to win the champions league. Liverpool have lost a game in the champions league in just 6matches yet are unbeaten in 25 league matches. That should tell you something

A40:
What are you chatting about. Show me any other year aside 2018 and 2019 that Liverpool with their points tally don't win the league?

I'm showing you how high the bar was set you are speaking grammar

Using point tally argument doesn't work. Because I reached 90points in 2017 doesn't mean I will achieve the same thing in 2003. Technically speaking you are correct their point tally was the 2nd highest but saying they would have won the league apart from 2 seasons is you hyping them as usual.

A40:
How many did they lose last season??

The other top clubs would not have been able to keep up. Show me a year any team won 25 and drew just 1 match.

Last season it took City winning 18 games in a row to finish ahead of Liverpool by 1 point. The difference is Liverpool didn't choke this year

Liverpool would not have won 25matches and drawn 1 if the rest teams were up to the task. It's as simple as that. They will be no need to keep up when Liverpool are losing and drawing matches against the other teams.

A40:
No it rubbishes the argument that the EPL could be called a farmer's league and it's erroneous to compare their circumstances to that of say a PSG. The degree of difficulty is not comparable

It's very reasonable to compare them. La Liga is still deemed uncompetitive and an easy league despite most of their teams dominating Europe in recent times. La liga team performance in Europe have not stopped epl fan boys from ridiculing the league. So epl team performance in Europe this past 2 seasons has not reflect the actual quality of the league.

A40:
I'm showing you that their dominance did not start this year. They have been building towards this and nothing would have stopped them. So it is a very lazy argument on your part to not look at this team holistically and understand that what we are seeing now was inevitable once this team hit its peak.

And that's why I said they are a very good team who have been helped by the weakness of the other teams in the league. Do you think if the rest top teams in the league were up to the challenge they would be this dominant in terms of wins they have accumulated up till now?