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Leyqute:
Atletico won’t survive Anfield. You see the ginger wey Simeone and Atl fans do at Metropolitano? Liverpool fans go do x5 of it at Anfield.

Napoli won Liverpool and didn't lose at Anfield. You are using what Liverpool did to Barca to think atletico have no chance.

A40:
Why will they have competition when they don't slip up? Had they slipped up like last season they would have had a competitor.

Who was Pep's competitor when he and City reached 100 points in 2018. My argument is your initial premise of wanting to finish or accumulate a certain number of points based on your competition is erroneous and complete fahrvegnugen

My initial premise is that saying Liverpool with their point tally of 95 would win every league title except 2 is technically correct but when context is added it's not possible because their is a possibility of them not matching that tally in other previous seasons. I basically said Liverpool gaining 95 points in 2019 doesn't mean they will do that in 2002 or 2009 . The way you prepare against a car that covers 20km/s is not the same way you prepare against a car that covers 50km/s.

A40:
So what is Liverpool's objective now that they are 25 points ahead of the rest? They can lose 7 matches in a row and still win the league.

Your argument is neither here nor there

Who is their competition? Your argument is the one neither here or there. I specifically stated nearest competitor in a title race.

A40:
Nyet Nyet.

I am combining both seasons to highlight their consistency. They went one better in England and in Europe after previous failures. I see a team that learned from previous mistakes. You are making excuses for the rest of the field

In Europe and England over the last 4 iterations the only constant has been Liverpool. They have raised the bar to the level that other teams can't cope. The games they drew last year they are winning this year

What happened in Europe? Why was no team up for the challenge as well?

Stop making excuses. Give credit where it's due

Liverpool have lost so many matches in Europe during the past 2 seasons. When the got to their first final they meet a Madrid who thoroughly defeated them. They meet a challenge as equal to them and lost. They meet a city team in the league equal to them and also lost. Infact the only time time Liverpool have won either the champions league or the Europa league just for the sake of illustration is when they meet an English team.

A40:
You are not giving any credit at all.

That's why you are still drumming on this weak league line for a team that is quite clearly the best in Europe

I will like to know on what basis you proclaiming them the best team in Europe? If it's because they won the champions league last season then they are loopholes to that.

A40:
That tells me there are better teams in Europe than in England but still does not diminish the fact that they are the best team in Europe.

So if they are good enough for Europe and still dominate the league. Why then are you making excuses instead of giving due credit

When they are not as dominant in Europe as they are in the league then questions will be raised how good the team is or are they just being helped by the massive gap in quality in the league which Liverpool tally in the ucl and league points too.

A40:
How can it not work?

If for nothing else that will at least help you appreciate the difficulty of opposition and what it took for them to not win the league.

You literally cannot prove that they don't win the league any other year but those two years. I can theoretically say they can but you have absolutely no shot at proving they can't

You can only match your nearest competitor. If I am in a title race and my nearest opponent can only attain 80 to 90 points that will also be my objective. One can say Liverpool only reached 95points because that's what it will take to catch City. If the previous past winners were up against a team guaranteed to reach 96points then that will also be their objective.

A40:
Based on what evidence? They only lost 1 the previous season. What you are witnessing is a team at its peak. Simple!! I don't know why you are stretching yourself beyond biological boundaries to discredit them

You keep combining both seasons in order to make them what they are not. Last season is gone and they finished as the best losers. When they meet a team capable of matching them in accumulating wins upon wins the ended up as losers. Now that there is no competition they are running away with it. This should tell you something now imagine if the rest top teams were up for a title challenge.

A40:
Exactly. So give credit where it's due

Credit is given with a bit of context. You are just against any type of context and looking at the raw figures.

A40:
Suggesting La Liga as an uncompetitive and easy league would be fairly accurate considering the resource gap between the haves and have nots.
This is not applicable to EPL

Do you agree EPL was also weak the season Pep won by 19 points or your bias is only applicable to Klopp and Liverpool?

Performance in Europe reflects quality in and of the League. There is a reason we have coefficients mate

The resource gap between the have and have not in England is still big despite the TV revenue and no it doesn't. A team could finish 7th in league and yet still go on to win the champions league. Liverpool have lost a game in the champions league in just 6matches yet are unbeaten in 25 league matches. That should tell you something

A40:
What are you chatting about. Show me any other year aside 2018 and 2019 that Liverpool with their points tally don't win the league?

I'm showing you how high the bar was set you are speaking grammar

Using point tally argument doesn't work. Because I reached 90points in 2017 doesn't mean I will achieve the same thing in 2003. Technically speaking you are correct their point tally was the 2nd highest but saying they would have won the league apart from 2 seasons is you hyping them as usual.

A40:
How many did they lose last season??

The other top clubs would not have been able to keep up. Show me a year any team won 25 and drew just 1 match.

Last season it took City winning 18 games in a row to finish ahead of Liverpool by 1 point. The difference is Liverpool didn't choke this year

Liverpool would not have won 25matches and drawn 1 if the rest teams were up to the task. It's as simple as that. They will be no need to keep up when Liverpool are losing and drawing matches against the other teams.

A40:
No it rubbishes the argument that the EPL could be called a farmer's league and it's erroneous to compare their circumstances to that of say a PSG. The degree of difficulty is not comparable

It's very reasonable to compare them. La Liga is still deemed uncompetitive and an easy league despite most of their teams dominating Europe in recent times. La liga team performance in Europe have not stopped epl fan boys from ridiculing the league. So epl team performance in Europe this past 2 seasons has not reflect the actual quality of the league.

A40:
I'm showing you that their dominance did not start this year. They have been building towards this and nothing would have stopped them. So it is a very lazy argument on your part to not look at this team holistically and understand that what we are seeing now was inevitable once this team hit its peak.

And that's why I said they are a very good team who have been helped by the weakness of the other teams in the league. Do you think if the rest top teams in the league were up to the challenge they would be this dominant in terms of wins they have accumulated up till now?

A40:
Good. So how does this diminish what Liverpool is doing??

2017/2018 - CL Finalist (Lost because of a calamitous goaliemepon)

2018/2019 - CL winner, Finished with 3rd highest point total in league history. They would have won the league every other year but 2018 and 2019

2019/2020 - 25 wins from 26 games. Leading the league with record margin

I am seeing progression from one team regardless of external circumstances.

Using point tally to say a team in 2019 would have won the title in 2002 is Soo gringy. That's not how it works.

A40:
I would agree that the league was weak if all their representatives in Europe weren't still in their respective competitions

Performance in Europe does not reflect your league ability.

A40:
What do you mean they are not discrediting Liverpool? They have and are still doing so

I'm saying whatever strength the top clubs might have no other team would have been able to cope with this form Liverpool is on. I want you to show me any other time in League history a team has lost 1 match in 64 attempts

If the league was not weak when Pep got 100 pts then it is not weak now that English teams are getting to the Finals of major European competitions.

Liverpool will top any league in Europe as we speak

Why do you keep referencing 64matches? Last season is done and dusted their point tally for last season didn't win them the title so it's seems you are using it to clutch at straws in a bid to hype them.

A40:
All 4 EPL teams came out of their groups in the CL, All 3 EPL Europa League teams also got out of their groups.

7 of the remaining 48 teams in Europe are English. So I disagree with una argument in Large Fonts

If the other leagues had their teams thriving in Europe as well then no one of sound mind will ridicule their achievements.

Liverpool's point tally reflects their quality. They would lead any other league in Europe as we speak

Na Liverpool point tally does not reflect their quality rather it reflects how weak the league has been. Liverpool will not be leading the other leagues with 20+ point difference.

A40:
If PSG had teams like Newcastle in their league that can cough out £40m on a striker or Arsenal and Tottenham that can squander £60-70m on a player then I'm sure the league would not be regarded as a farmer's league

Focusing on the gap is erroneous. What you should be focusing on is that they are 25-1-0. We are seeing form that has never been replicated in league history.

A team that has been to back to back CL Finals and has lost 1 game in 64 attempts is surely doing something right.

Like Diddy said. Don't worry if I write rhymes, I write checks.

So don't worry about their brand of football. They are getting results and dominating with it

They are getting results because of how weak the rest teams are not because of how good they are. Liverpool point tally does not reflect their actually quality as a team. A good team taking advantage of a weak league to stamp their dominance. Their European record shows exactly that. How many games have they lost in Europe? Like melvyn11 said if it was to be any other league their achievement will be downplayed and ridiculed by the epl fans.

Greatihex:
the bold is very true.


The competition have been weak for some time now. Chelsea, man u and Arsenal no know where them dey.

That's why when I see comparism with this Liverpool team and past teams I just shake my head. Only someone who don't watch them on a regular basis will be in awe of them but kudos to them they are very effective.

Melvyn11:
Well said. If it was in any other league the epl fanboys would have ridiculed the league and downgrade the club achievement.

Spot on.

A40:
Was it weak as well when they lost only one game last year? All I'm seeing is a team that is converting it's draws to wins and now have that Champions mentality.

Same thing. If Psg did exactly what Liverpool are doing at the moment they will be ridiculed and the league be called a farmers league. Everyone knows the league is at the weakest it has ever been in while this season. Watch Liverpool play and you will see nothing special/spectacular in their brand of football that warrants them having 20+ point gap.

A40:
Lol how are they benefitting? They lead the league by almost 30 points.

Even if the league was supposedly stronger how does that diminish their advantage? At worst the race will be tighter. Don't water down the efforts of a team that has lost just once in their past 64 games in the league

The league is basically at the weakest it has been in ages. If PSG did the same thing In France nobody will care because of the league same with what Liverpool is doing at the moment. They are just a good side taking advantage of the weakness of the league.

Cc A40. This is why I told you Liverpool are benefitting from the weakest epl league season in a long time. Chelsea have lost 7 matches since the back end of November yet they have never dropped from the top 4 during that time Frame. Chelsea have no business being in the top 4.

Swissh:
We need more tissue papers. No tears is as sweet as those of the Shekpites. More donation needed.

I donate 5 cartons of Jonny walker, 10 bottles of alomo bitters and a bottle of Baileys Irish Cream.

kendrick93:
where did I say such?
Anyway Iniesta shouldn't be judged on stats.....he's more than that

Perfectly said. The thing about Iniesta is the fact that we never have to use statistics to demonstrate how good he was through out his playing career.

With Iniesta same with zidane to an extent nobody is bothered by the fact that he or zidane got relatively few goals/assists/whatever as his quality was always obvious. We instead tend to speak about them in terms of moments and performances except when someone wants to push an agenda because of a vendetta.

Ibime:
The greatest lie ever told about attacking players is that that attacking stats apply to some but not to others. Especially when your stats are as abysmal as Iniestas.

Iniesta had no goal or assist in Euro2012.
He was the first poster boy of what we now call polling booth.

What a Fuc*King lie.

Melvyn11:
You see the kind of effect Ronaldo has had on Real Madrid over the last 8 years that would have been United. More league titles and Champions league trophies. He would have achieved the same if not more individual and collective titles with the way the English press will hype up the rivalry with Messi. United would have built a start studded team if Ronaldo didn't leave.

Do United fans even consider Ronaldo a club legend? He gave his prime years to Madrid.

Thank God Pirlo and Alonso didn't have go through all this rubbish busquets is going through.

A40:
Why not? Jerry's silhouette has done it's time

Won't it be unfair to Michael Jordan?

It has passed 2 million signatures already. From Jerry West to kobe

Cc A40.

A40:
Where is Simeone's CL?

How many times did Benitez compete for the league title in England? This man won a grand total of 2 titles at Liverpool in the most fortuitous of circumstances. I repeat Benitez has not won a league title in almost 2 decades

La Liga in the Early 2000s had Madrid as the sole dominant team especially outside La Liga.

Woah of course I know you will downplay and ridicule Benitez and Simeone achievement. That's the only card you can play. Suddenly you are asking for Simeone champions league title lol. This argument is has silly has spillo1 saying maradonna achievement at Napoli Trump's Messi achievement at Barca on our thread.