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larride1:
When Buhari closed the border last year August to stop importation of rice, chickens and the likes, most of these people were crying like bush babies.

Today, with all the disruption with global supply chain, price of rice, chicken and other essentials has remained the same. Most of theee bush babies now eat the local rice like their life depends on it. Our import bill on rice is almost zero and import bill for chicken has gone down drastically. We are now the highest producer of rice in Africa. Rice mill are springing up everywhere, creating jobs for both farmers, retailer and manufacturers. Poultry farming is at an all time high, more people are going into agriculture and we are heading towards food sufficiency.

Military and police are now buying their patrol vans from Innoson and Proforce, Factories in Aba are now making boots for the military, police and NYSC. Garment factory in calabar is now producing uniform for our security outfits. We now have fertilizer blending plants working at full capacity.

Bush babies that know nothing about the economy or the affairs of the country other than what they hear on WhatsApp trying to form knowledgeable on issues they know nothing about. Echo chambers who only echo what they have heard others saying.

What do you expect coming from people that follows FFK, Reno and the likes. LMAO.

Yesterday I was talking to my colleague about what would have happened to Nigeria if we were still depended on other countries for food importation and with this virus outbreak. Is anything stopping us from
exporting the rice we grow for foreign exchange? This looks like a perfect opportunity.

Kimbeast:
Thank you on the last part. I feel no remorse for his current predicament.

They were both friends at a time and sukur even worked under Erdogan party as MP. He is a long time cultist and I wonder why the media are portraying them as freedom fighters when they are way worst.

Ibime:
Hakan Sukur, now a taxi driver in New York after Erdogan seized all his wealth for supporting Coup

This guy still has the record for the fastest world cup. The one against south Korea 2002. Sukur is also a Gulenist. He hand nor pure.

Melvyn11:
I said it earlier in the discussion. I don't have problem with billionaires as persons. People just kept jumping In and dropping trash dragging the issue to irrelevant places.
This is exactly my take on the billionaires issue. Policies should have been initiated right from day one from preventing individuals hoarding such amounts.

Have you seen Elizabeth Warren tax plan if not read it up. I read according to her plan if it had been implemented in 1982 it would have collected over $500billion over the last 37years. Some are saying It's going to be a game changer.

gensteejay:
Anything is possible. But not enough evidence supporting his stand. There are more pieces in support of the latter.

Nonetheless, strongly hope we all survive coro's regime.

Coro don dethrone the gods of religions.

So people should still go on religious gatherings when the world is currently battling a very nasty disease or how exactly is coronavirus exposing religion.

Melvyn11:
Shut it. Sharing stocks among employees made ordinary people millionaires in Microsoft. That's an example of wealth distribution. Your idea of liquidating all the billionaires was stupid. I brought you an idea that actually worked in wealth distribution and you still chatting Crabs. You have nothing to say.

The funny thing is if Billy,bezos etc just own 3% or 2% shares of their current companies they will still be billionaires.

Melvyn11:
You don't have to seize or liquidate all their stock . You can easy redistribute the wealth by sharing the stocks amongst the employees. The average worker is only getting paid a fraction of the value they create (for the company, and the world). Getting stock in a successful company can be a great way to lift people up economically. Look at all of the employees at Microsoft (not executives, just normal people) who became millionaires as their shares gained value.

We honestly need to institute an "income cap" at a business by business level to ensure that everyone contributing to the success of the company is rewarded for their contribution with a percentage of that success.

raumdeuter:
If Bill Gates die, Microsoft will not die. The value they have added to the world buy their innovation is what made them billionaires

How many Windows OS are in use today worldwide? How many companies world wide leverage Microsoft infrastructure. All these created by the company he founded the company where he gets royalty from

WHat is the fair margin per laptop sold, per software sold, per each Azure license O365 license, Windows server license etc that he sells? Add that together and let me know the calculations

If without them the company will go on successfully so why are they still paid that much and Is that how you justify a billion work worth?

raumdeuter:
The formular that you found that cures a disease and meets a need that millions worldwide want. That is what makes you a billionaire, whether you found it through lab research, or you get the revelation in your sleep.

Ronaldo is a billionaire because he is a specialist in what people want, See diggz, he is a specialist in ten-ten but no one wants to watch him

Thats why one is a billionaire

Ronaldo is not a billionaire stop saying that shiiit. If Billy get shot today and dies will Microsoft stop to exist? No it will function just fine same as Amazon or Dangote company. No billionaire actually deserves the wealth they have accumulated. Value is created by working people not by managers. There is a fair margin to pay them greater but that is nowhere in the billions.

raumdeuter:
If you discover a formular for Corona and sell each tablet for $10, You borrow money hire many chemists to mix this your formular together to sell.

You sit down and they sell 20M tablets, How much are you worth?
\After a while Pfizer approach you to buy your factory and your formular, you sell your formular to Pfizer and collect $4 per tablet, while you chill in Bahamas. Are you not a billionaire?

Do you think, 1 person will sit down and make the 20M tablets before you can say he is working?

Is that the work worth that makes you a billionaire?

raumdeuter:
You keep saying if you work. You dont have to work, you can get people to work for you while you pay them a fraction of what you make

Like I asked, does Dangote need to drive his 5,000 trailers himself? If each trailer makes him 1M and he has 5,000 of them. How much is that? already 5billion and he doesnt even need to touch the steering

What he is saying is that bill gate has not contributed any work worth to earn a billion dollars. Realistically nobody can.

Melvyn11:
The fact that two families can donate that much is a disgusting show of privatised wealth. Billionaires shouldn't even exist.

Better phrase would be "no one ever earns a billion dollars"

A40:
Wild. Only Lewandowski donated $1m

Bloomberg and his organization alone donated 40million to fighting corona globally. The 2 richest South African family even pledged 1 billion rands each which is about $53milllon each. Those billionaires are jonzing

Swissh:

20billionaires donating just 44million. What a shame

BlueAngel444:
Yes

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BlueAngel444:
Bible is a record, to remember what has happened and God's words and instructions.

How can I prove my Dad is the next room because I saw my Dad in the next room.

How do I prove you exist, because you respond to me. So my knowledge of your existence is that you can respond, do I know whether you have only one hand (by the way those of you that made bet with Erodit do you know whether he even has one hand )

I having headache understanding what you are writing. Have you seen God or has he ever responded to you before?
The Bible, whether you believe in it or not, doesn’t prove itself. “The Bible says so” isn’t a valid point to make, because it doesn’t give anything any sort of legitimacy outside of Christianity. T

TiAd:
One of the reasons I don't waste my time any longer discussing errors and inconsistencies in the Bible. All you do is quote biblical verses like a programmed robot, without presenting any logical reasonable facts beyond your Bible.

The Bible is saying the truth because the Bible says it is saying the truth. Lols.

Nemo iudex in causa sua: No man can be the judge in their own case.

That's is why some Christians never think outside the box and all they do is quote something they don't even know how it's was compiled or how accurate it is.

BlueAngel444:
the bible wasn't supposed to be an evidence that he exists na

Then what is the Bible for and how can you prove their is an higher body called God somewhere?

BlueAngel444:
Abraham questioned God
Moses questioned God
Peter questioned Jesus who moved in a storm
Thomas questioned the resurrection
Paul questioned who he spoke to
Ezekiel, John etc etc questioned what they saw.

Why would a wise God choose to walk with fools

You think these men followed God blinded

Now these are stories written to us, but they teach us to discover the truth

In fact the scripture tells you if a person comes to you and tells you they are from God and tells you something will happen in the future and it doesn't happen that person is a liar

Who do you think invented the principle for verification, tests and the rest

Here's the thing with the truth it doesn't change like lies do. Today it's this, tomorrow it's something else.

You can verify scriptures if you want to, there are those who have done that.

And you can manipulate scientific results, ha ba we do am tire for physics lab once we know what we desire as an outcome all that's left is to make the process believable.

The fact is all Christians that follow God are doing it in blind Faith and your Bible is not an evidence he actually exist. The Bible is not an evidence of anything.

BlueAngel444:
but the earth is a flat surface na

ok

Swissh:
At some point, the entire world is going to confront China over this.

Which country in the world can actually confront China? They are the next superpower in the world after the U.S.

spillo1:
LMFAO.... Conspiracy theorist are the worst. They won't listen to anything rather than their own believe. Some even believe the Earth is not a planet.

I am all for conspiracy but the flat Earth thing doesn't make any sense to me. The FES started as a thought experiment/social experiment to take an indefensible position but now the flat Earth society are just trolls.

Griffon:
Yes SARS but Contagion relates most directly with the current danger. The 2011 film "Contagion" opens to the sound of a woman coughing, she had just returned to Minnesota with a strange illness after a trip to Hong Kong.

Flashback in the movie shows how the fictional virus emerged — with a bat in China infecting a pig that is later handled by a chef at a Macau casino, who transits the virus to a customer, played by Paltrow, by shaking her hand.

So far, health officials have traced the coronavirus to a “wet market” in Wuhan, China, a large seafood and animal market.

The movie's MEV-1 virus is a zoonotic disease, meaning it jumped from animals to people. In the film, it spreads from a bat to a pig sold at an outdoor Chinese market, before hopping to Emhoff. According to experts, the new coronavirus is also zoonotic disease that started in bats. It likely jumped to people via an intermediary species - most probably pork meat.

Coincidence or predictive programming?

Coronavirus is a strand from the SARS virus that mutated so definitely they are going to be concidence with a movie acted about SARS.
Scientist have predicated and warned China for years that a disease is likely to come from them base on the country culture and unhygienic markets. Here is a copy of research work carried it in 2007.

TiAd:
You're the one that needs to check the way you understand what I am saying. You can't discuss consciousness (a scientific concept) without mentioning soul (a philosophical concept). You can't have one without the other.

It's not possible for a being without a soul (dead) to be conscious (alive and aware).

Wonder why philosophy and logic is a core course for all aspiring scientists at the undergraduate level? Many scientific concepts today had their roots in philosophy (in the traditional sense of it).

The Wikipedia link I gave is what? Your view of the soul is what you need to check. If only humans have soul, then why does death affect all living things?

Most, if not all scientists, believe there are phenomena that seem mysterious because there is little scientific understanding about them. You can call such things "spiritual", "supernatural". Those are mere names that denote our current level of scientific knowledge about them.

When we get more scientific knowledge and make more discoveries about them, they will become normal things, nothing supernatural or mysterious any longer.

FYI, there was a time in human history that diseases were seen as spiritual attacks from a deity and needed to be treated by things such as prayers, offering a sacrifice to appease a diety, etc. Today, they've become normal (natural) phenomena, and only the ignorant ones hold that archaic notion now.

Thunder, lightning, rain, etc. were all seen as supernatural events in the past; today, the story is different. And humans are even learning to induce these things (creating them artificially).

Do you think scientific understanding of consciousness will stay the same in the next 50-100 years? That's unrealistic, when some scientists have already started conducting studies and research on it for some years now.

You don't seem to know much about philosophy, which is why you can't separate a concept in philosophy (soul) from that in science (consciousness).

It all boils down to your understanding of consciousness (or soul philosophically speaking), which seems flawed. The scientists that performed the experiments in that Wikipedia link felt living things like animals are conscious (aware), hence they've a soul.

Unless you are a religionist, you would have to present something extraordinary to show that a living thing isn't conscious or aware of its surroundings and hence has no soul.

Science deals with phenomena that can be objectively observed and measured. The soul, by contrast, cannot be observed or measured because it is immaterial. Soul beliefs belong to the realms of religion not science. You are just reaching by saying scientist will work with a soul or even create one. Religious sect beliefs in the existence of a soul while up till now there is in fact no credible evidence supporting the existence of the soul by scientist. Being aware of your environment and how you react to it is different from having a soul. Animals don't have souls neither do plants because when they die that's end unlike Man. The original concept of a soul comes from theological experts not philosophers. Theological experts believe in life after death which breed the concept of a soul that lives on after a person dies. The current scientific paradigm doesn't recognize this spiritual dimension of life. We are just the activity of carbon and some proteins; we live awhile and die according to scientist. Your understanding of soul is flawed.

spillo1:
LMFAO........ Alex Jones have corrupted this one head.

Eddie bravo is still the worst conspiracy theorist in the entire world not even Jones. The crazy part is how confidently he will say dumb shittt like the Earth is flat with complete conviction. Even when shown live satellite images, he thinks all the space agencies are working together to fabricate a lie.

TiAd:
Only some religionists believe that, especially Muslims and Christians. There are many things those ones believe, but the reality is different.

If a living thing (whether humans, animals, plants, microbes) has no soul, then it's not living.

Every living thing is conscious in its own way.

All living things are powered by a soul/spirit (consciousness). Souls have different groups, human group, animal group, plant group, etc.

If a living thing has no soul or consciousness, then it can't die. But just like humans die, animals, microbes, insects, plants, etc. also die.

Soul is a concept of religious beliefs not science. You are always saying things you are not sure of and with no source/link. Most if not all scientist don't believe in the supernatural and in the concept of a soul. A soul is not the same thing as consciousness. Can you show us a link or source were scientist grouped souls into different groups because it's starting to look like you just drop things that come into your mind. Now on the other hand you have failed to provide any other experiment by scientist performing the 21gram experiment on a man which tells me all I need to know.

TiAd:
You didn't take time to read the whole article on Wikipedia.

"Similar experiments

In December 2001, physicist Lewis E. Hollander Jr. published an article in Journal of Scientific Exploration where he exhibited the results of a similar experiment. He tested the weight of one ram, seven ewes, three lambs and one goat at the moment of death, seeking to explore upon MacDougall's purpored findings. His experiment showed that seven of the adult sheep varied their weight upon dying, though not losing it, but rather gaining an amount of 18 to 780 grams, which was lost again over time until returning to their initial weight.[10]

In 2009, this experiment was subjected to critical review by Masayoshi Ishida in the same journal. Ishida found Hollander's statement of a transient gain of weight was "not an appropriate expression of the experimental result", though he admitted "the cause of the force event remains to be explained". He also warned about possible malfunctions of the in two of the cases.[11]

Similarly inspired by MacDougall's research, physician Gerard Nahum proposed in 2005 a follow-up experiment, based on utilizing an array of electromagnetic detectors to try to pick up any type of escaping energy at the moment of death. He offered to sell his idea to engineering, physics, and philosophy departments at Yale, Stanford, and Duke universities, as well as the Catholic Church, but he was rejected.[12]"
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_grams_experiment

Animals don't have souls. I said experiments on measuring the soul of a man as you earlier informed us. They have been none at all.

TiAd:
What does that prove?

Did you read of more recent attempts?

You probably are not aware that some radical inventions of today or scientific concepts, which were earlier rejected by the scientific community, got embraced several years later upon more successful experiments.

There have a number of failed attempts to determine the mass of the soul as I stated in my former post you quoted.

But in as much as there is something that powers a man called soul, spirit or consciousness, some scientists won't stop searching.

And if it's there, they will find it. Though it could take years.

Just like NASA and space scientists won't stop sending space probes in search of extraterrestrial lives out there.

It is arrogantly stupid to assume only humans exist in this unimaginably big universe. That possibility is very slim.

They have been no other attempts since 1907. That man is the only one who thinks the soul has weight. Can you provide links of other scientist who have attempted to weigh the soul of a man since then.

TiAd:
Read about the 21 grams experiment on online sources, like Wikipedia, etc.

It is clearly stated on Wikipedia that the theory is from one man in 1907 and was rejected by the scientific community .

TiAd:
That's just one method.

More techniques will still be invented. One of them is working with a soul, not creating one. Some philosophers have stated soul or consciousness is a type of wave vibrating at a specific frequency.

Just like our thought is a form of waves.

Not all the types of waves in nature have been discovered, and more types are getting discovered with time.

Some scientists have tried to measure the weight of a soul (with the permission of the deceased) when it seems to be leaving the body of a dying man.

They've not been quite successful. But there will still be many trials, and they will be able to do so in the future.

The ingenuity of man has no limits.

Once they can do so, the next thing will be learning how to interact with and transfer consciousness. All these are within the realm of possibilities in science.

Where did you get the bold from?

TiAd:
That's just one method.

More techniques will still be invented. One of them is working with a soul, not creating one. Some philosophers have stated soul or consciousness is a type of wave vibrating at a specific frequency.

Just like our thought is a form of waves.

Not all the types of waves in nature have been discovered, and more types are getting discovered with time.

Some scientists have tried to measure the weight of a soul (with the permission of the deceased) when it seems to be leaving the body of a dying man.

They've not been quite successful. But there will still be many trials, and they will be able to do so in the future.

The ingenuity of man has no limits.

Once they can do so, the next thing will be learning how to interact with and transfer consciousness. All these are within the realm of possibilities in science.

Please provide a link were you got all this.

Griffon:
Go see the movie “Contagion.” Come back later, let us talk.

Contagion is a movie about SARS. Its beginning to look like you are just grasping at straws.

You cant just make a big claim and bring zero tangible evidence.