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jedisco:
Is the discussion here about healthcare systems for a nation or individual decisions based on healthcare?

As an individual, Europe (esp the UK) is a good place especially for lower earners many with its safetynets, the downside is that growth is quite restricted.
A 75k (gbp or usd) earner here could manytimes earn the equivalent 150k in the U.S. The person in the U.S would pay less tax but have less employment benefits. They could decide to still use savings to get good healthcare cover and still come out better at the end. Between UK and the US, the direction of flow among working professionals is quite clear. There's a reason for that.

For a nation, the European healthcare system is better. But then, have you ever wondered why despite all those, instituting a free healthcare system does not seem to be a vote winner for Americans? Even Obamacare faced loads of opposition. I used to also wonder why a country so rich wasn't pushing thru with unviversal free healthcare until I appreciated certain unsaid nuances. America is an outlier in many respects and their unbridled thirst for 'growth by all means' does have it's downside.

If the discussion is about healthcare systems, them some fee-paying ones are arguably better than the NHS. Singapore for example set up their health system to minimise some of the issues they envisioned would arise with a universally free one. They made sure for the most part, people pay for it with appropriate safetynets. The UK spends about 11% of her GDP on health, they spend less than half but still have brilliant outcomes (even accounting for lifestyle choices)

When I get my Tax summary and see how the government spends it every year, and see what goes in from my tax towards healthcare, and consider what I have also paid for IHS, when I add it up, I feel scammed, the so-called free UK healthcare being preached is over-hyped! and that's the conclusion most skilled professionals have realised. This is not to bash the UK, but stating the obvious from personal verified data.

Goodenoch:
It's not falling through the cracks when between half and two thirds of bankruptcies are due to health issues. https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/scheinman-institute/blog/john-august-healthcare/healthcare-insights-how-medical-debt-crushing-100-million-americans

Health outcomes are also the worst among developed countries. It has the the lowest life expectancy at birth, the highest death rates for avoidable or treatable conditions, the highest maternal and infant mortality, and among the highest suicide rates. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2023/jan/us-health-care-global-perspective-2022

Even when you do get health insurance, the companies can and do arbitrarily deny claims and leave people with no recourse, often to literally drop dead. https://archive.is/NW5fP

These are facts, not scaremongering.

I do agree about earning potential though. Personally tidying things up to put my EB1 petition in for that reason but I'm still in doubt as to whether to actually go when it comes, and healthcare is a top consideration in that.

I also agree the NHS’s sustainability is in question, but I doubt that even when it's adjusted like adding payments for some things, it'll get to the disastrous level that US healthcare currently is at.

Overall, for me, living in the UK and paying the high taxes to fund things like healthcare, security, welfare etc. feels like paying into an insurance policy — I might not need it often and I'm unlikely to use the healthcare system in particular much (age) or get any benefits (income), but the peace of mind and collective safety net are very strong incentives.

Wow, UK, you do this one!

TheGoodJoe:
I made the same point about Kompany when he got relegated. Look at this post on April 2024.



Getting relegated does not mean the coaching approach is wrong. Sometimes, it takes longer to SOAK IN.

until we lose many matches and miss the World Cup many times before it will soak in, God abeg o!

TheGoodJoe:
Relegation does not mean poor coach. Ask Vincent Kompany. Finito.

We can't be changing our stance for our favoured person, Kolewerk.

Only in Naija is a coach bad even when he gets results, and a coach good even when he doesn't produce results. No wonder we end up with scrap National team coaches. Everything is not about tiki taka.

Bannedlargejr:
Consistency at a world class league for few seasons at least 4 seasons

Your mouth go change again soon Kotinu

komekn:
No has not proven himself as a " world class outstanding player"

Players like Lewandoski, Mbappe, Haaland, Kane, Salah, etc have proven themselves consistently and continuously over several seasons.

VO was not the outstanding player, above average yes in Belgium,France and had one break out season in Seria A prior to that above average.

Now he is in the retirement league which if he stays too long will reduce his world rating .

The response from too clubs confirms the general perception very good player but not many clubs willing to meet his wage demands.

Now you're back This is the original account, not the hacked one!

We are now back to this he's not an outstanding player just because no club is coming for him now but once things change again mouth sef go change

Truidstarr:
The players of Heartland too dull. They could not interpret his tactics.

They were not soaking up knowledge ba!

Lexusgs430:
They would unfortunately, go ahead with implementation...... Let's just hope people have the shoulders, to bear the impact.......

Apart from the ilr eligibility, I hear most of the white paper proposals don’t need legislation but simply adjustments to the existing rules to effect the changes

Lexusgs430:
All those on old policies, would be ring fenced (so una guide)...... 😂💍😉

I no gree pass through blackwall tunnel again, since una mayor don implement new tunnel tax..... 😂🤣

You go pay walai shebi Una wan drive people comot, when the pm Dey increase everything Una no say the man get plans? 😂 where e wan see money take care of una

Lexusgs430:
This petition is probably not required..... Simply because the proposed changes, would ONLY be applicable to new applications (assuming law is passed)...... 😊😁

We go block you for that tunnel wey you Dey pass regularly by the time they implement the changes 😜 Dey play!

Bannedlargejr:
All it takes is one world class season at a big club and your contract will be renegotiated to a larger contract or you will have the luxury of leaving to a bigger club. Footballing wise, Saudi Arabia is the worst possible decision. I have yet to see any player that was at his prime and signed for a saudi club returned back to a major European club and was still at his prime. Osimhen is Africa best striker since the likes of drogba and etoo. Even if you don’t want to do England, PSG and Juventus are a better option

He did that already at Napoli, the labourer is worthy of his wages. If he goes to Saudi Arabia, will that be his fault alone? He's got family looking up to him, and he won't play football forever; he can't be earning less at his prime now, that would be slavery.

Football is also unpredictable. If he accepts a pay cut now and gets injured, it's the likes of you that will come back here to hit at the player again for not being wise when his value begins to drop, so rest and let the player maximise his earnings for future sake.

TheSuperNerd:
Ladies and Gentlemen, in the light of the Osimhen summer transfer uncertainty, I will come out now and say this...

I personally dont want Osimhen in Saudi Arabia in his prime years. It would be the worst footballing advice to follow but at the same time, it would be the best financially, to follow.

I personally believe Victor can go to Saudi PL in his 30s (say from 32 or 33) and make all the money in the world after further cementing his legacy in Europe's Big 5 leagues in the Prime period of his career. He is 26 and will be 27 by december this year.

But again, if no top 5 league club wants to pay the Monster Machine what he is worth, then who am I to blame whatever decision he makes from a financial point of view?

The saudis are ready to offer crazy money that no team in Europe can match. But Victor isnt even asking for or demanding same from the Euro teams. He is only asking to be paid what his last salary at Napoli was. It is not greed. It is business and self awareness of the highest value.

You dont leave italy (a lesser paying league) to England (highest paying league in Europe) IN YOUR PRIME YEARS and expect to cut down on your wages. Nooooo... there should naturally be an increase.

Also, you dont move from Napoli to one of the Elite Top 5 euros sides and expect not to get a bump up in your weekly wages.

So please... if a move to any of the top 5 elite sides fails this summer and he lands in Saudi Arabia on ACCOUNT OF THEM IN EUROPE NOT EVEN MATCHING HIS LAST SALARY AT NAPOLI... i will mourn his european exit but I wont blame him because it is unreasonable on their part.

See how much Florian Wirtz is being offered. Smh.

End of the summer, we know for sure where Vic will end up.

@the bolded, end of story. He who has an ear let him hear!

jihday:
what’s special about joining an EPL team? Is this the advice you give other top strikers or na only African man deserve to collect peanut? Infact if I’m Osimhen before I join Chelsea they must pay me times 5 of whatever they are paying Jackson

Folks just want to see osihmen in epl or any other big league as if they will pay him extra from their own pocket 😂 for the lower wages

Odunayaw:
Rather Man U is shyte. Good coach & system and a player fitting it will shine.

Real shit, except referees begin to help their matter, that club don finish 😂

Danielnino00:
The way English pundits, media and fans talk, you would think England has won the world cup 10 times and are that best team in the world ..

Na so 😂

akwesenana:
Person dey play dm for Man Utd, come dey play b2b for Napoli you come expect an to get the same goals, LoL.

The same utd no be 16th position dem Dey? 😂 awon olodo!

Odunayaw:
The other day I was watching G.Neville, Roy Keane talking about him at Napoli with a tone that insinuates Serie A is lower hence his shine. Pundits

That's typical Brits for you They will always downplay others apart from themselves, shebi that's how Carragher downplayed Afcon!

Even Glen Hoddle once said Oshmen is not EPL material

Bannedlargejr:
When osimhen played for napoli, Nigerian fans insulted the team, players, club etc the entire season and it was an extremely toxic environment.

Your story is never complete, always half baked. That’s how you took sides with Atalanta on Ademola matter until you discover you were on the wrong side, phew!

He will fold again soon!

Raalsalghul:
Fingers crossed, this should make some people happy.

https://news.sky.com/story/net-migration-halves-in-uk-new-data-shows-13372514

Aunty kemi does not think so o, she says it’s still too high!

Samueltemi337:
They will win Europa league and play in the chiampions league next season 😁
They will have a better season than Arsenal 😂
Atleast them escape relegation 😂

And this is the club people expect the current hottest striker to take a pay cut for. Nonsense and ingredients!

Na the Man U osihmen wan go be this 😂

opes:
He should go to Saudi then and make the money instead of staying back in Turkey.
Chelsea will surely buy a striker between June 1st and 10th for the Club World Cup, so we will know soon whether they will go for Osimhen or not.

Thank you, at the end osihmen is a Nigerian that must begin to think ahead of his life after football instead of taking risks with clubs who want to under pay him.

Philosopher1979:
He should lower his wage demands and go to a top 5 league. Records matter. 5 to 7 years from now the record will be he scored 300 goals in Turkey and that will not be rated. Let him dominate the premiership for 7 years and after that he can go to saudi arabia. This is the time for him to shine. He should ot let the fact that he will be underpaid get on his way. The time is now.

If you’re osihmen will you allow yourself to be underpaid? You guys are just hyping these European clubs, make osihmen go break leg for salary that those who aren’t better than him are earning far more, na wa o

Phayie:
Why is nobody talking about the new UK-EU deal

Great deal especially for the young people, now all those talks of because of migrants we can’t get apprentice opportunities can now reduce as the entire Europe is now on their laps.

jedisco:
Again, you are cherrypicking and coming to undue conclusions. You are taking a relative rise in recent migrants to the UK and using that to drive a narrative. That's not how to handle data.

First, looking at modern migration, it has always tilted towards certain groups at different points in time. It's not down to some genetic quality hiding somewhere. What you're doing is taking a small subset from a short period and using it to make vast extrapolations. What happened to the period between 2012 and 2020? How many Nigerian students saw any future in the UK? Compare that to the number of PRs canada handed out despite the fact we have little historical affiliation to them. Getting into Canada would have been easier for me 6 years ago. Geeting a Canadian PR was also several levels easier than the UK ILR - migration is manytimes individualised.


Secondly you're making the error of correlating the relative increase in number of arrivals over the last few years to some undue benevolence. That's false equivalence. The reason you saw more people arrive was down to need and the political error around Brexit. That is why the populace and the political class increasingly see those arrivals as a generational error in need of fixing. Who is to say that if the time to ILR is made 10yrs today for them, some other government would not double it to 20? And you'd still come preach benevolence- afterall, they wouldn't have got in elsewhere.

Two issues here is that first, the Canadian system has over decades let in more people and secondly, the relatively rise in the number of immigrants into the UK recently is not due to British benevolence.

That’s always the problem with us, using a subset to always define the entire lot, a subset may abuse the system then it becomes the entire Nigerians abusing it or getting lucky but the subset that gets successful admissions to Harvard or Cambridge can never define us, mumu people!

Atiku is just looking for who will fund his campaign after Delta state don cast 😂

Zahra29:
I highly doubt that up to 10 5 people converted that interest into action 😂

Lol I just remembered a Nigerian guy (based in the UK) who joined the British Army back when that settlement route was still open. I should find out he's doing.

I think its still open but aged based around 32 or so. It's time bound I think at a particular time of the year or biennial i can't remember. But you need to pass a physical test and I think it's open more to commonwealth citizens not living in the uk. That's where folks in the uk don't qualify if not hmmmmmm lol.

TheSuperNerd:
Meanwhile... Moses Simon hit 200 Ligue 1 games in Nantes Colors and was honored for it.

I will celebrate him when we win the next Afcon but this is noted. 😂 thanks for the notification, I pass!

jedisco:
Hehe..
No let am vex u. There is freedom of thought and speech afterall.

I think for some, all these things come in phases especially for recent entrants.

After saving and praying for japa and hearing all the warnings on how to 'behave'. When many land, their main focus is not to upset anyone but rather please the 'natives' (as someone put it). That's why recent entrants can be quite timid and is not helped by certain aspects of our culture and tribalism back home.

After a few years, they get to understand the system and see those who feed off their taxes chancing them- na then many dey begin get mouth.

Sometimes, you hear harrowing stories based off this. A teacher recently told me of a case years back where the son of a recent migrant was bullied by a fellow student in school. The offending pupil has touched his privates and called him names. The boy reflexly slapped the other and it got to the principal and a meeting was called. Rather than the parents to speak up for their son, they cowered, came home and started scolding their son telling him not to put them into wahala for this abroad wey dem don manage come.

The child returned to school but was a shell of himself. Continued to be bullied and subsequently dropped out and became a delinquent and later started questioning his gender. I'm sure the parents would looks back and wish they were less cowardly earlier on.

Let’s not mix things up, those am referring to are never recent migrants, they are the so called egbons with scarcity mindset who feels the recent migrants are choking them up and must be expelled so they (recent migrants) can go sit their butts back in naija. That’s why they hate it when they see japa 2.0 and condemn it saying it’s not greener anywhere. I can tell you that most recent migrants who were initially carried away with the rhetorics from kemi and co are now seeing things differently especially those who are yet to get ilr cos hand don touch them now and everyone is now getting aware of their rights. The most religious ones have even taken their case to baba God cos e no funny again. I have a colleague who is a great admirer of Trump who recently told me e no know say the baba wicked like that 😂 I said tooo abi na FAFO!

Zahra29:
The only way this would happen is if the UK government announced that we were now at war with Russia and all fit Commonwealth and British men of fighting age were required to sign up to the Army.

Even if they didn't have to enlist, there would still be a mass exodus, people claiming that this is not their home country 🤣

😂 You will be shocked the amount of folks that will still stay, recently Russia created a pathway for foreigners to come enlist in the army for citizenship, You need to see the interests from Nigerians. Let the UK try it first 😂

jedisco:
It's mind-boggling. I remember being told here how me and fellow 'migrants' like chasing 'utopia' when I mentioned I was considering relocating years back. I wonder how many of the millions of Brits in Can, Aus or U.S have been accused of chasing utopia.
Their thinking is that if we were not let in, we'd be living on trees in 9ja- afterall no other nation would let us in and Britain is soft-touch. Their expectation is that we remain forever subservient, take anything thrown at us and not complain. Whats worse is that this is also chorused by some migrants
Like I always say, the west sees travelling as a right but for most of Africa we're made to see it as a privilege.

Their desire is to see migrants being chased out of every western country, that’s why they like Trump so he can chase out their fellow Nigerians out of the US. Very despicable lots! And if you observe you’ll see folks who are not regular contributors here come out immediately they read or see people are being advised to try elsewhere. phew!