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komekn:
There are quite a few when watching a game it seems they watch the individual player and not the game. However, but not with a holistic objective approach but an emotively biased one.

That's why that are unable to appreciate the game and not just the player they support who can do no wrong.

KC is a very good player undoubtedly but world class not yet, there is a lot of work to be done.

I noticed KC instinctively scored with his right foot that's improvement and he needs to improve more.

Critical analysis is be appreciated from content not assumed negative intent to do otherwise shows a lack of understanding and may I dare say immaturity.

A note of caution for KC at Leicester, time an opportunity waits for nobody. There is a very new kid on the block called Diabate on his first game for Leicester he was impressive. So effectively KC has to up his game even further because he has clear direct competition.

And yes I agree with your analogy about the Fiat Punto. Not in derogatory sense but as a sharp required reality check that we have good players but are way off being world class yet.

I watched the the game yesterday and noticed Diabatte in a strike partnership with Kelechi. I was taken aback when I came here and read that Kelechi was playing as a lone forward. Even the commentator mentioned the partnership could be Leicester city's future.
Seriously, I have been enjoying my Sunday with Roger winning his 20th grand slam, dropping just one set all tournament. I don't want to be dragged into an unnecessary bickering over a Fiat Punto.

safarigirl:
Please, can we stop these silly 'what if' arguments? What if Mikel had gone to United instead of Chelsea? What if Iheanacho had gone to Porto instead of Man City? Man City ruined him blah blah blah....


People of God, do you know how many Nigerians have gone to Porto? What has become of them? The likes of Chidera Ezeh, have they become world class or anywhere close to Kelechi? Have they even nailed regular spots anywhere?

Let us stop all these useless arguments on what could have been but never was, and yes, goldfish80 this message is for you and all the other "he could have been" people

Me sef, I should have attended Unilag and should have been a graduate by now, but see where I dey.

There are no guarantees that another path could have been better, every single one of us on this thread must have made choices that perhaps did not go well, but does that mean the other option could have been better? No.


So, please, let us be factual, talk about the here and now, by the way, mocking any of these players makes you look like a petty hater, even if it is just to rile anyone up. Everyone has their own shortcomings in life, just because yours is not on display for us to drag you with does not mean it doesn't exist

Remember that, whenever you feel like being petty

BUt I was on my own when you people started mentioning me, probably to mock me because Kelechi scored. Did you see me randomly bring up Kelechi matter? You in particular was all over the place throwing words around. You should heed your own advice.
By the way, was Chidera Eze ever in the class of Kelechi? Was Chidera Eze the player of the tournament? Was he the African young player of the year? So because things didn't work out of Eze,definitely it wouldn't work out for his more talented team mate? I really tire for una.

realpoacher:
You have been insulting Iheanacho many times here, and at this point I will say this is no longer funny. You might have to tone it down a bit. If you have any personal vendetta against him or his family please take it away from here.

He represents us as a country now and as such we can deservedly defend him.

At the bolded, the current cost of a Fiat Punto is Rs 7.8 Lakh which is an equivalent of $10,000

Whereas, the least cost of a Lamborghini is $200,000

Are you insuanating that the worth of Mpappe is 20x higher than Iheanacho?

Looking at their respective sign on fees this season

Mpappe from Monaco to PSG = €180M

Iheanacho from Man City to Leicester city = £25M

Guy your hate for this boy will consume you o!

It is quite disappointing you had had to go this length to analyze a simple allegory.
You even had to bring to bring out a calculator. Not that that I'm surprised anyway.

Like the Igbo man will say. "Atuolu omara, omaru. Atuolu ofeke ofenye isi na ofia"

TheSuperNerd:
You said he is useless as a striker/top 9 which is a very fallacious statement to make. It is not about saying he is not a striker. Stop trying to dribble your way out of it. It is sooooo not working. Your Criticisms of Nacho are always just that- Criticisms and more criticisms even in the face of a True Nacho strong showing. You are not and never balanced in your views on Nacho. You only bash him.
Have you ever for once come out to commend Nacho's talents or speak glowingly of his undoubted potential? No, never! You didn't even speak once of Nacho's ability to strike a freekick and when he does against "world class" Argentina, you try to make it look like you've known about that ability all along. Tell me, hace Mbappe ever struck a freekick goal? huh? That's by the way shaa...


And Saying his best role is an SS/dynamic AMF does not mean he does not excel or do pretty good in a few other roles. That is my point and always have been. I have admitted from time immemorial that Nacho's best and ultimate role is the "SS" role but his finishing and eagle-eye instincts in front of goal also enables him to improvise as the Top 9 if or when played there. He also executes the false 9 pretty good.

My proving you wrong has nothing to do with his best role. It was more about you saying he is useless as a top 9/lone striker. Do you know the meaning of the word "useless"? You didn't even say "he's a little useful or is 25% useful"... you totally blacked him out and called him useless even when his goals records in that role largely speak otherwise and disproves that statement. Haba!



And nooooooooooo.... Hahahahahahahahaha... I don't even know about a "Game127". I have never been on Kickoff. I was rather on the defunct SL10.ng... was there for just a few months and just when I was getting into the groove, they closed down. Couple of weeks later or so, I joined NL sports in May of 2015.




And nope, not gonna happen..... there are some things to compare between them even if they both will forge or are already forging their different paths to being A-list forwards. They are both young strikers/forwards and you certainly don't expect them to play the same. Some people like Nacho's kinda style while some more like Mbappe's.
For me, I just love the evolution of both and as time goes on, they both will be like a reference to me when it comes to the " dynamic" forward role.

So if the comparison pisses you off, then skip it. Same way you calling Nacho "useless" and making him look so talentless pisses a whole lot of people off especially because all are so untrue.

Don't you love making wild accusations.
From day 1 I have always said Kelechi was talented but badly developed at Man city.
Where do you think my back and forth with TheGoodJoe emanated from? He wasn't having any of it because I was indicting his club.

It will take a crazy fellow who watched Kelechi back in 2014 to say he's not talented.
I will still say it till thy kingdom come, Man city was not the right club for Kelechi. Every man and his dog know this apart from Kelechi's handlers who collected "parental fee" from Man city.

If the club had developed him in natural position, we could have an Apoty contender already.
This has been my honest opinion from day 1 but someone just had to color everything to protect Man city.

Yes, I still maintain he's useless as a lone forward. I won't retract that statement because that's my honest opinion. Chelsea has been struggling all season because they sold their striker and replaced him with a SS masquerading as a striker.

By the way, how much is a Fiat Punto? How much is a Lambogini? What is Kelechi's market value in comparison with Mbappe? There you have it.

tbaba1234:
This is an article translated from a Spanish site. Look at the high regard, the coaches at depor have for the boy.

cc: Icon4s, Joseph1013, Kog45, BascoVanVeli, goldfish80, Thesupernerd

THE NIGERIAN PEARL OF DEPORTIVO
The technicians support the evolution of Francis

Francis Uzoho (1998, 1.96m) grows in the shade while Deportivo seek to cut the bleeding of goals conceded by the first team with the addition of the Ukrainian goalkeeper Maksym Koval. The young Nigerian international continues to mature as a footballer at the Fabril, and both his predisposition to improve and the evolution he has experienced in recent months are praised by the professionals of the entity.

The technical team commanded by Cristóbal Parralo and Gustavo Munúa agree when it comes to extolling the 19-year-old goalkeeper's skills, his desire to learn and the humility with which he digested returning to Fabril after Pepe Mel's toast in the sun, which made him debut in First in a delicate moment, marked by the insecurity transmitted by Tyton and Pantilimon and the fall of Rubén Martínez.

All of them maintain that Francis took the leap ahead of time , because although his raw talent and physical-technical conditions are considered extraordinary, the move from the subsidiary to the first team is not only related to the individual quality of the player, but also to its development. It is said that he learns in a week what others take a month to assimilate , but also that at that time his reading and his decision making were not superior to those of Álex Cobo, his partner under clubs in Segunda B.

Francis made his debut in the Primera against Eibar in Ipurúa (0-0) on October 15, he repeated the start in the traumatic defeat against Girona in Riazor (1-2) and returned to the second team days later, after the dismissal of Pepe Mel and the rise of Cristóbal. At that time, Parralo justified his decision by stating in public that " Fabril has two great goalkeepers [Álex Cobo and Francis Uzoho] and I am sure that in the future they can be part of the first squad. You have to trust the people of the first team and see if they are capable of giving what I want. " Extremely political statements aimed at keeping the goalkeeper from the forefront of the media and favoring their development in the medium and long term.

With options to go to the World Cup representing his country , which debuted in a friendly against Argentina played in November, Uzoho continues to burn stages. In the club they are aware of the potential they have in hand, and the goalkeeper, always smiling, focuses on continuing to do what he likes most: playing football.

http://coruna.eldesmarque.com/deportivo/noticias/7858-los-tecnicos-avalan-la-evolucion-de-francis

Hopefully Deportivo escape relegation this this season. I feel Uzoho will be an important member of their team next season. Clearly, hes being groomed for that.

TheSuperNerd:
Oh yes we said it... he is better than Mbappe in some attributes just as Mbappe beats him in some attributes also. Besides, when it came to goals we simply were emphasizimg the fact that scoring in France is a lot easier than scoring in the EPL. 2.0 > 1.5... sorry not my fault. It is the strength of the leagues concerned and also the UEFA index for leagues ratings.


And I have always called Nacho the Alien Kid even before this beautiful mighty thread was born And in calling him that and a hybrid forward, I speak of Nacho's potentials and abilities and also his defined natural role as a footballer. He is a no.10 with the feet of a no.9. Has Excellent Vision and can pick the right pass and bring others into a game but can also finish with the touch and class of a master. Plain simple.


And mehn... haven't you been reading? Come on Sir Goldfish... you know what I have always said, just that you maybe finding it difficult to nail down.

Lemme put it in bold italics for you, Nacho's best position and the role he features in that will bring out his absolute best beast mode is "the SS role" followed very closely by "a roaming dynamic kind of AM role", but again with those being his best positions doesn't mean he does not excel or does good in a few other roles. It is like a science kid who rocks 100 in physics but rates mostly a 70 or 75 in chemistry and an 80 in Biology.
For instance, as a false 9, Nacho excels well too. He also does okay as a RWF if a proper 4-3-3 is employed. And as a top 9/lone striker, Nacho is not among the best but he certainly has the stats to prove he does good in that role too. He simply knows how to improvise for the most parts as a top9/lone striker.... Finito. I have been saying this for ages now. I am only repeating myself. Am I still sitting on the fence according to your understanding?


And what areas Kelechi should still work on? Come on man... you didn't read my convo with that amiable Arsenal fan called Sir Edi287... or is it Edi87? Ahhhh.. I know say na one of them shaa. I will put some of them in italics for you... areas he should improve on that is.

I said Nacho still got to work even harder on his first touch despite his encouraging improvements so far from the recent games seen.

Also, Nacho got to work on his work rate levels... Mbappe is what I call the ultimate Teen athlete-footballer because of his physical abilities. He is fast, has bad-ass endurance and is so very skillful. I made reference to Mbappe because to me his work rate level is unrivalled among young strikers today. I want Nacho to step up his work rate levels but not to the level of Mbappe. I don't see both players ever having same work rate levels. Mbappe trumps there easily. Both footballers will forge different footballing philosophical paths in the end. This I know.

Mbappe will develop along the path of being physical, super fast, full of running and very skillful.
Iheanacho will develop along the path of being more brains than brawn. He will be more calculated in his movements than being all physical and full of running.

Furthermore, Iheanacho has to work on his ability to be daring sometimes and be a little more adventurous. That way he can exert much more influence on a game. He has to work on that too. There are more subtle details he can develop to improve his all-round game as footballer but he is certainly on the right path.

He has The Vision- Really excellent Vision too, he has the intelligence of positioning which unveils his "raumdeuter" qualities like A Thomas muller (he knows to exploit gaps and find spaces in opposition areas) , he has the finishing- here he is on another level entirely (no hypes), he also has the ability to read a game intelligently and bring others into play and give that killer final pass which is why he bags assists like kilode sometimes. This young lad is still growing but he got the basic ingredients that can make him great. He is far from being the finished article but right now, he is still an article worth talking about and worth looking out for as he evolves

C'est fini.

Ok, so you believe just like I do that he's better suited as a SS than a striker. Why do you then loose your rag when I say he's not a striker?

Why do you try to prove me wrong when you believe he's a SS? Serious question.

You listed attributes he should improve on , but when I list those same attributes he should improve, you find faults and come for my head screaming haters and other choice adjectives.
It is very clear to me now that you've been arguing against me, not because I am wrong or guilty of making false claims but as a matter of perception. You feel I am criticising a Nigerian player out of contempt, when I am Nigerian and a Super fan of the Super Eagles myself, having spent money to support the team over the years.

It was on Kickoff nigeria that the moniker Game127 coined the alien kid tag on Kelechi. Are you Game127?

By the way, stop the comparison between Kelechi and Mbappe. It pisses me off.
It's like comparing a Lambogini with a Fiat Punto just because they have 4 legs. Ha

TheSuperNerd:
Yes naa... He is an Alien kid... His goals stats in the GWG and at club level suggests such too. And an hybrid forward definitely too... He is a no.10 with the feet of a no.9 (a true crossbreed between a deeplying forward and an attacking midfielder). How else do you describe such an amalgam of a player if not a hybrid?
Na so e pain you reach? But ehhhh finally eh... Any mention of world class? Na wetin the guy ask you.... Goal posts shifter

You have this understated ability of sitting on the fence.
In one breath, you say he is a hybrid forward, alien kid which is just about falling short of calling him world class. Yourself and TheGoodJoe even claimed he wass better than Kylian Mbappe Lotini
You still still haven't answered my question from last week, I will ask again.
"Where do you think is Kelechi's best position? Name just ONE position.
Secondly, which area(s) do you think Kelechi should improve? If not,then I will conclude you believe he's the finished article.

Answer these 2 questions let's end this Kelechi matter once and for all.

kingphilip:
Seems I'm missing something

Please who conferred him with the bolded words

He's the alien kid. A hybrid forward, maybe you haven't heard.

TheSuperNerd:
Uhmmmm.... Nacho has performed at the highest level or has he not?

And am I among those to look down on players playing in Belgium perhaps? Or is it Cyprus? I focus on the quality of the player always. The level of competition he has been up against also plays a role along the line too or tell me, bcoa i know you are a staunch advocate for the league.

ANSWER THIS... Would you pick a Kalu Orji (based on CHAN showing) over a Leon Balogun (based on 50/50 decent game against Zambia) for the Russia 2018 WC?

And I have told you... This is not about Peterborough or Martha borough.... But about Nacho's comeback despite spending quite a long time away from match day action due to injury, his struggles to adapt to Leicester's style, Shakes' sacking, Puel's preferences and philosophy.
You cannot tell me you are blind to the injury that halted his start at Leicester which he struggled with for over a month and half and followed a little later on by Shakes' sacking...


One more thing.... Nacho is scoring in the world's oldest CUp competition. A glamorous competition as that. You cannot compare the impact of goals scored in the belarusian cup for instance with goals scored in THe FA CUP.


Note: Speaking of equity... It is also not so when all you do is turn a blind eye to Kelechi's performances and good stats and only bash him when he does wrong. I saw the way you stoutly defended Osas Okoro even when Tbaba1234 gently criticised his performance. But with Kelechi you don't do such... You just bash him, bash him and bash him... U be Bash Ali??!!

See the way you hyped the FA cup just to protect your interest
una no go kill me for here.
Tbaba critised Okoro not for what he has done in Chan but what he saw at WAFU. SO FAR in Chan, Okoro have been the best right back in the tournament. If you doubt me, name a better right you have seen so far.

TheSuperNerd:
Ohhhhh.... First for all... GJ is out nursing an injury. So let's leave him to rest... Mbappe didn't score when played as a top 9 against lowly Dijon... I speak of the 2-1 PSG win... I guess he just couldn't string it together that day huh?

Omo.... Nacho had a hard time starting life at Leicester. It all began with that foot/Toe injury and then Shakes was sacked.
A NEW COACH walks in and we both know he will bring his own philosophy and style and preferences all not the same as Shakes.

Nacho have not had a good run of games thus far. He gets little playing time here and there. He barely plays. Now he is back and playing and making those minutes count for good... And you say we should not be happy for that? How many tikes do we have to tell you Sir Goldfish80... It is happiness that after all this while on the bench and in the cold out at Leicester (when not named to the bench), we can see that he has been working his ass off on the training ground and showing real sharpness for one who hasn't been playing much.

And ohhhh... Tone down on the world class... It is you and your gang who started calling Nacho world class. Trying to project it as something that the rest of us did. Well goodluck with that campaign mister. Nacho is not world class... But his class is surely permanent. As permanent as your skepticism.

For me, I believe in fair play. This thread have been awash tagging people who play in "obscure" leagues as not good enough because of the quality of opposition they face. But here we are pumping fist in the air when Kelechi scores against the likes of Peterborough. The level of opposition does not matter when Kelechi is involved.
This is not equity to me.

Mickael2:
oh boy you just stepped on it.

However he has done well against Fleetwood and Peterborough, I think two good games is worth something. On a lighter note though, maybe he should consider a loan move to a league1 club, probably where he can shine constantly

League 1 is not his level but the wild jubilations I see when he scores against these lower tier sides suggests otherwise.
Probably the bar have been set too low by these people, also I think the need to call out those who questioned Kelechi's development have seen them overreacting.

TheSuperNerd:
I catch am...... Even Leganes floored Madrid recently... I bet Nacho is still useless as a top 9 then... Lol

So we now judge the world class Iheanacho on what he does against the likes of Peterborough? You're indicting the guy as someone whose stuck has so fallen that it is celebrated when he scores against league 1 oppositions.
Will Brazil and Germany celebrate if Gabriel Jesus and Sane scored against Petersburg? He was rated alongside these two.
Yes, I can understand the joy that comes with his game today but let's not over do it yet. Show some class

TheSuperNerd:
This one is for Sir Goldfish80 especially... He said Nacho is useless as a Lone striker or Top 9. He said he can stand before any shrine to swear it.

Oga Goldfish80... wehdone sir. And don't even tell me it is "just" Peterborough...


I repeat my stance. Nacho is much deadlier and far more beastly as an SS, false 9 or dynamic AM but he is also good enough in the lone striker/Top 9 role. He improvises to good effect in that position and the records show it and this game is re-affirming it yet again. Let objectivity speak for once concerning this young lad.

You don't want me to say Peterborough is a league one club?

Icon4s:
"In not so distant past" you said. In not so distant past that Oliseh would rather player a Paul Onobi and bench Mikel Obi. That same not distant past that Oliseh would rather force a Silvester Igboun on us rather than play Sonne Aluko, that Gbolahan Salami was our best striker. Keshi keeping slots for home based players whether they merited it or not.

Keshi, Oliseh and Siasia's team selections finished us. "My boys, My boys" sentiments.

That is gone now. Rohr is in charge. No home based sentiments. Only the best will be invited irrespective of whether you are home based or foreign based.

On beating Libya home away, football is no mathematics.

The irony is not lost on me that you think home based cannot be good enough, even with your political statement at the bolded.
I mean, you won't even entertain the idea that Orji should be called up irrespective of Balogun's form.
The game should be about equity and fair play. This is clearly not the case.

tbaba1234:
If a local player performs well in the under 20 WC, it will do far more for the club than CHAN.

Some of our players have reached the age where they are not going abroad again.

It is not a must everyone should play abroad. If Caf can develop the African game, players from other continents will play in Africa.

Now I understand the problem, you think Chan is about harvesting players to man pim.p to European clubs. Well the long term vision of the tournament is to develop African leagues.
I am very much at home with the idea.

tbaba1234:
CHAN is not a useful tournament. Local players are exposed at under 17, under 20 and under 23 level. We are the only confederation with tournaments for home based and foreign based players.

Because of the peculiar nature of the African game and the need to develop leagues across the continent. If the concept was lost on FIFA, they wouldn't have awarded the tournament with a 3 points coefficient.

Icon4s:
People are always so quick to call for this player or that player's inclusion. Who did this CHAN team play against? Rwanda, Libya and E. Guinea. Teams that are not even in top 20 in Africa. Goldfish has even said Orji has performed better than Balogun. Na wa o. Na make we kuku drop Balogun and carry Orji to World Cup.

The better players from the league who have secured better contracts in Europe but have not even been considered for the Super Eagles who will reward them?

But in the not so distant past, the main Super Eagles managed to scrap past Ethiopia, Swaziland, Guinea, Congo Kinshasa etc They even lost a friendly to Uganda in kaduna and haven't managed to to qualify for Afcon back to back.
You talk as if We have been beating these African countries silly.
Libya is grouped with us , can you stake your neck that the main team will collect all 6 points from the Libyans?
They better do, if not the knives will be out.

Icon4s:
Continental club competitions are more pivotal to the development of the local leagues.

Clubs can buy players from around the world, this freedom can mask the real football development in the countries in question. Some leagues are populated by "foreign" African players (Psl for instance), Chan attempts to even things out and expose the real football development in African countries.
Club football cannot give you this. Chan is quite special.

Icon4s:
The CHAN tourney is just like disarming the strong men and arming the weak men and asking them to fight.

Nigeria remains the only West African team left in the tournament. West Africa has the highest export of quality players to other parts of the world. So it is no surprise that they have presented poor teams in this tournament.

Imagine a team like Namibia beating Ivory Coast, Rwanda drawing with Nigeria, Cameroon cannot win a single game in a group that has Congo, Angola and Burkina Faso. Ghanaian, Senegalese, and Malian teams even crashed out in the qualifiers

Now, the problem is this CHAN has been awarded a ranking point of 3 which is exactly same as that of the regular AFCON. This is a serious dis-service as so many weak teams would gain points and become highly ranked. While the real heavy weights themselves especially those from West Africa will really lose ranking points.

The rankings would become pseudo. When you see teams like Namibia, Libya, Angola, Congo and Sudan really limping over some heavy weights you understand what I am talking about.

Many pages back we were talking about how Nigeria can move to top 10 in the World. But with a tournament like CHAN it is not likely that any African team can make it because with this kind of tournament, the heavy weights will continue to struggle. For eg we have lost about 30 ranking points already with that draw with Rwanda.

You don't gain or lose any points for not participating in this CHAN tournament.
Egypt does not take part in CHAN. Could that be a smart decision?

This CHAN tournament. I am still scratching my head.

The tournament aims to develop Local African football. You can't claim to be giants while your local league is trash. Development should be all round.
The big countries will be the biggest winners if they took their leagues more serious.
The tournament is a blessing to African football.

Humility017:
and that free kick he played...I think against Iran was world class abi?
for a player that had a regular play season in the npfl to go the world cup...and play that rubbish was disastrous. for mikel and Moses it was understandable because they barely played that season in the epl

HAHAHA
And some people will claim they are not biased. Do you know how many freekicks Mikel alone have wasted for the super eagles? Not to talk of Moses.
Picking out a player for missing a free-kick while absolving the other for doing the same thing.
Nigeria is indeed an animal farm.

EEGA:
Sir Goldfish80 it's "Leon Balogun" that you typed.

Do u mean the same Leon we saw against Cameroon? Who I think a Zambian once said he is the best CB in Africa.

BUt we played Cameroun in August abi September? Ever since, he has been found wanting for both club and country. If he was home based, I doubt you will make a case for him to start with.
The truth can be bitter sometimes, I understand totally.

safarigirl:
they got medals by sitting on the bench. It is a case of right place and right time.

They did not equal anything because once again, they added nothing to the team. Your biggest flop at the World Cup was Yobo, remember that. Amongst the other flops of course

We want a team that performs generally, so that if Mikel and Moses flop, we see who we can get from the bench. Uzoenyi and Egwueke are part of your bench that flopped because they were all useless

We will not take another useless bench of flops to the World Cup just to promote one failing league that is not even good enough to be listed on any football site.

If you think any of those CHAN guys can displace anyone in our current team, then your sentiments are beclouding your reasoning obviously, either that, or you are desperately looking for an argument

BTW, why did you avoid where I quoted you with the possible replacements for Balogun? Abi you did not see the mebtion, but you saw where I mentioned someone else?

Those guys played the qualifiers in the run up to the 2013 Afcon winning squad.
The super Eagles haven't managed to qualify for an Afcon ever since. It wasn't the case of being at the right place when they participated fully in the qualifiers.
Irrespective of how anyone feels about it, they played their role and are certified legends, since they were in the squad that won gold for Nigeria.

safarigirl:
thank God Rohr is not so gullible

Na so Keshi carry Uzoenyi go Brazil go open him yansh there, abi na Egwueke? What became of those players? Once bitten twice shy, an off form Balogun is better than those NPFL guys abeg

Isn't it ironic that those Egwueke's and Uzoenyi s have an Afcon medal around their necks and equalled Nigerians best outing at the world cup.
Guus like Victor Moses and Mikel were our biggest flops at the world cup not Uzoenyi and Egwueke.

Humility017:
how about against the USA and Greece...

nobody is downplaying home based players.... but sayn orji should replace balogun is funny

They drew goalless against Greece and lost to USA. Going by their performance, I would think they were quite formidable, moreso than you were trying to paint them against non African oppositions.

Can you honestly in good conscience tell me why you think Orji doesn't deserve to make it to the pre world cup friendlies?

If you can't give a valid reason why he shouldn't, then I would be correct to say youre "downplaying home based players".

Humility017:
your thinking that....in form Orji can only displace an off form Balogun is ridiculous.
if that is all orji can do and where is potentials lies...then he is not good enough for the super eagles...
we need a player who can give the present SE start a good fight...someone who can hide bite to the defense....

I like orji though....but i think it is too hasty to start the call.

if we follow your logic to the letter, then Balogun is not good enough for the Super Eagles. You talk about potential? Well, Balogun will be 30 this year so....

I'm not trying to to trash talk Balogun but I needed to highlight how ridiculous your logic is. For what it's worth, a guy like Orji should be taken in to the Super Eagles for the friendlies. His form so far have deserved the look in.

Humility017:
they boss the defense against Africa opposition and when they played against non-Africa opposition they played otherwise...and how is omeruo now...?

They didn't do too badly in friendlies against Italy, Catalonia and Scotland. I don't think they were played otherwise against these teams. We didnt even loose any of these games.
It's incredulous and quite uncharitable when people make up stuffs to downplay home based players.

By the way, Omeruo have been in decent form over the past few months. He seems to be out perfoming Ekong

Humility017:
Lol....you mean consistency in the npfl...?
you're funny bro....have you asked the reason why many European coaches and likewise south Americans I think an Argentine made mention of it recently....
have the Apple belief that Nigeria defenders swiftly loose concentration...even though they're very physical....

it takes intelligence to be a fantastic defender...that i can't see in the npfl...
please don't compare orji wit balogun wit all due respect.

I will compare an off form Balogun with an in form Orji . We are talking real football here not some some fantasy league or play station.
Omeruo and Obabona bossed if for the Super Eagles not so long ago straight from Sunshine stars of Akure.

Icon4s:
It is comments like these that will make me break my keyboard.

Please spare your keyboard. I hate reading people using the word "competence" to argue against home based players when the foreign based ones aren't pulling up trees. As if the word competence is reserved exclusively for some people.

Humility017:
how will it be unfair....?
super eagles invitation should be base on competence and not sentiment.

let them earn it......even the ezenwa have not been living up to expectation that much.

But Kalu Orji have demonstrated competence over the past 3 months more than Leon Balogun. I stand to be corrected

Kog45:
Good for him if he can make the move early cos staying put at NPFL will not help his development.

I based my assessment on him due to your rating cos i remeber vividly you suggested his name as oossibke solution to our RB problem before the emergence of Shehu Abdullahi,Ebuhei, Aina and Idowu.

Due to this i watched him critically during WAFU but am not impressed but so far at CHAN us doing well,just that he needs to improve on his defensive ability,am saying this cos during super six he was badly exposed by one MFM player who always took him on with ease.

Well i see him more as a ball playing defender than real defender but needs to work on his defensive approach,with that is ready to go but good outing so far

You're getting the point. He's not the best defensive full back in NPFL. His game is all about attacking the flanks just like Marcos Alonso and Bellerin, they are great going forward but defensively, could be badly exposed. These sort of players thrive playing 3 centre backs.
That is modern wing backs for you. The Maldini's and Thuram's are no longer in vogue, football have really evolved.

Kog45:
Osas is cool so far but i still want to see better Osas as you rated him.

I have actually seen him play even better than this. You know the last time these guys played competitive games was October last year at the end of the season. I would think Osas is playing at 70% and even at that, he is still the best wing back in the tournament. I understand he's being courted by several clubs, including a certain Locomotive.

Kog45:
Thank you,honestly the bashing these guys are receiving here is uncalled for cos it shows total hatred.

This is even worse than what some always perceived as hatred stance of Michael2,goldfish80,komne and forgiveness on Eagles when they make critical analysis of the team.

What am reading here on CHAN team is not critical analysis but serious bashing which must be tone down.

You're not a new comer here na. There is a strong anti home based footballers sentiment here. It's like a phobia. If you're realizing this now, I say "GOOD MORNING".
They claimed our Fifa ranking will be brought down by these guys, when the main Super Eagles brought down the Fifa rankings themselves over the past 3-4 years. The irony I find is that these Chan guys could boast our rankings with a semifinal appearance, which was a personal target I set for the team.

By the way, what do you think of Osas? Have you seen a better right back in tbis championship?