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Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 12:56pm On Feb 27
Raalsalghul:
It'll be interesting to see how things shake up in the coming days.

Already some blame is being put on:

Keir Starmer for not allowing Andy Burnham to run in that constituency.

Labour party as a whole for trying to out-reform Reform and kicking it's left voters to the curb.

Even Shabana was mentioned for her immigration policies and proposed increased settlement times.

In all this, na madam Kemi I pity, Conservatives were no where to be found and had just 9% of the votes. grin
1.9% ó. I’m guessing it was just a typo but I want it to be abundantly clear that Badenough and co mustered less than 2% of votes and even lost their deposit like the other irrelevant parties that don’t get a reasonable number of votes, such as The Official Monster Raving Looney Party (yes that’s an actual party 😄 that the cons are now rubbing shoulders with in the trenches).
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch:
Goke7:
😂 they say na Nigerian style Green Party dem use, family voting things: papa mama pikin dem
There were 32 incidents of that alleged.

The Green candidate won with a lead of over ~4500 votes with a total vote count of ~15000 out of ~37,000 total votes.

The whole family voting thing is a red herring the Deform people want to use to rile up their gullible base as usual. It was inconsequential to the election.
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 10:34am On Feb 26
Santa2:
I seem to recall that there was a parenting in the UK thread that opened sometime ago. Tried to find the thread cant seem to locate it, not sure if its still going on. I am hoping I can get resources there on diagnosing a kid with Adhd. Would appreciate if anyone has knowledge of the process or got a link to the thread. It about time I stopped being a typical african parent and face reality head on.
https://www.nairaland.com/7021004/parenting-uk-nigerian-migrant/27
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 6:16pm On Feb 25
SPDAZZY:
Hi everyone,

Please who has been in a similar situation.
My student visa was supposed to expire 30 Aug 2026, however because I completed my study early, my leave was shortened and the new visa end date is 28 March.

I have now gotten a GTV endorsement, applied for the visa and paid IHS.

Am I eligible for a refund as I have circa six months left on the original visa? The info I see online mentioned that there is no refund for shortened visas, but this was not due to a negative situation. Chatgpt also says that my case will be judged with the new expiry date which means there's only one month overlap.

Please who has a lived experience? Make I no if I get small hope to get refund for my family as the payment no be small money abeg.
As I understand it, the operative date is the date when you get your GTV; when you applied doesn't matter. If you get it before 30th of February and so have 6 months of IHS that you paid for but haven't 'used', you should be eligible. If it's even a day after, you won't get anything because the refunds are only calculated in 6-month intervals.

If there was up to 6 months overlap you'd have been able to but the refunds are only done in 6 month intervals.

Source: I have claimed overlapping periods multiple times. Not in relation to a shortened visa as in your case though so I might be mistaken and the rules may be different for that.
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 8:06am On Feb 22
See Badenough complaining about identity politics because someone implied she and her children are not really British -

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/02/20/badenoch-accuses-reform-of-playing-identity-politics/

https://archive.is/AlrOs

Doesn’t she have a sense of irony?
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/feb/19/andrew-mountbatten-windsors-ex-wife-sarah-ferguson

First time I’m seeing a detailed catalogue of all the shenanigans this woman got up to over years (and this is just a summary) and it’s incredible to me still gets treated with kid gloves by British media while Meghan Markle still gets attacked for every little thing like what colour her dress was, whether she smiled in a photo and other stupid nonsense like that.

There’s even a sub populated by 20k+ cret*ns dedicated to hating her day in day out, and it’s comical how they’re bending over backwards to minimize Andrew the nonce and his sleazy wife’s own actions because it makes their hypocrisy so obvious. https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/new/
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 2:02pm On Feb 19
justwise:
Too little too late
Personally I don’t believe the news. I know for sure that only brown immigrants assault children, as I’m reminded daily by the Daily Heil.

This must be fake news, no way sex trafficking was happening right in Buckingham Palace.
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 1:24pm On Feb 19
Reports say a new arrest has been made in a grooming gangs investigation:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/live-updates-andrew-mountbatten-windsor-5HjdSYj_2/
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch:
We’ll soon be testing the “immigrants are taking our jobs; if they weren’t here wages would be higher and our young people would work instead of staying on benefits forever” hypothesis.

The “‘immigrants’ will always come to work here no matter how you squeeze them for fees, constrict their opportunities to advance their careers and use policies to condemn them to permanently working jobs Brits don’t want to” is already being disproven, just like the “the UK education industry is completely fine without foreign students” has been disproven.

Eventually, we’ll get to the one about whether the economy as a whole; and public services like the treasured NHS in particular, are completely fine without immigrants as well, as Farage, Badenough and Lowe would have their sheep believe.

Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch:
HustlaOfLagos:
But.. but...

You see that but just tells it all. If you are talking about Namibia or Kenya, that but will likely never be part of that sentence. I encourage to read this - https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA543719.pdf

For the NGOs, problem is, a lot of NGOs you are referring to are money laundering / siphoning ventures. Their owners full Lekki buying new houses up and down & sauntering across continents while the ones who are need those NGOs do not get sufficient help. I mean, look at the SS

No let them whine you sha
There's no country where there's no "but" to speak of.

Search "Kenya failed state" and see what comes up. Some examples:

https://businesstoday.co.ke/kenya-failed-state-least-developed-countries-east-africa/
https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/the-crisis-in-kenya/

For Namibia, see:
https://thebrief.com.na/2025/07/namibias-downgrade-a-harsh-reflection-not-a-glitch/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Namibia/comments/1luveb4/how_do_you_see_namibia_in_510_years/

Search USA, UK and most other places with the same keywords and you'll find plenty of complaints as well.

To be clear I'm not diminishing how terrible of a state NG is in currently. The point is that I disagree that it is irrecoverable because there are signs of recovery plus there are things we in the diaspora can do to help.

Now to NGO fraud? So what? Haven't you seen the reportage about how a bulk of funds many of the big name charities raise go to paying their execs?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/15/the-controversial-row-over-charity-ceos-six-figure-salaries/
https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/average-ceo-pay-at-uks-largest-charities-rises-to-192000.html

We don't give to random NGOs run by 'IG babes' and I don't expect any serious person to either. In fact I strongly doubt those 'IG babes' actually make money from the NGOs they claim to run, and that it is the other way around - they make money from somewhere else and use the NGOs to launder it or just boost their social cred. That's neither here nor there though - If you want to give, do your DD and you will find a way to do it effectively.
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 11:58am On Feb 13
I strongly disagree with the idea that there’s no hope for Nigeria.

Things are terrible but there are many improvements taking place (infrastructure (e.g. petrol, electricity, transportation (rail, light rail in Lagos/Abuja), economic and financial services reform and many opportunities opening up.

Returning to live in Nigeria is a key part of our early retirement strategy (although we’re flexible and if things don’t work out we’ll head to Spain or France or South Africa, Kenya or wherever else that’s working well, is more affordable and has better weather in 20-something years’ time) so I’m involved substantially with the country business-wise and go frequently as a result. Can’t be too detailed on that point but the takeaway is that there are opportunities and being in the UK gives you very good leverage to maximize them if you can move beyond ideological roadblocks.

Business aside, I think there’s a key role to be played by the diaspora, contributing to the country’s turnaround via charity. I have a private arrangement with a few friends supporting a few NGOs and would encourage you to consider the same. Harvard etc are all fueled primarily by endowments.

We may not have millions to give yet but a group of 20 people who commit 20 pounds per month over the course of a year to support their Alma mater back home will have almost 5k pounds which is ~10 million Naira. That’s enough to pay fees for 100+ primary or secondary school students or cover several secondary school teachers’ salaries or provide lots of resource for 2 or 3 clinics. Double or triple that (which is still small money for many here) and you’re getting to amounts that can build a school building or clinic from scratch.
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 8:05am On Feb 13
[quote author=Goke7 post=138440436]And the blame continues 😂 wetin musa no go see again for gate!

fellow moved his tax residence to Monaco to avoid paying tax to the UK he loves so much

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eye-watering-amount-man-utd-36714555.amp

But immigrants
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch:
Raalsalghul:
@ WanderingChild, basis your last writeup, what I understand is that it wouldn't be a bad idea to opt out of work place pension schemes?

What do you think about the above HustlaOfLagos?

Why keep paying pension when you might not access it. Once that legislation is finalised, I'm opting out of mine. smiley

Strategy for strategy: just the kind of ideas that we need rather than moaning about petitions and what nots. cheesy
This is a terrible idea. It’s not one of those cases where it depends on your circumstances bla bla bla. There are no circumstances in which it is a good thing except maybe for edge cases such as someone planning to do something and run away, sure that they’ll never have anything to do with the UK system again.

You won’t even save as much as you think you would, because what goes into your pension now is pre-tax meaning if you opt out tax will be taken first and you’ll get a smaller chunk of it added to your take-home. Also, you’ll lose your employer’s contributions and tax relief which is free money. You’ll basically be robbing your future self. At the end of the day what will be added to your take-home will likely be around half what you would otherwise get added to your pension (assuming the statutory minimum Employee 5% + Employer 3%).

The only person you’ll be punishing with this strategy is yourself. HMRC and your employer will both be very happy.

I suggest tou use ChatGPT to model this so you can see the calculations clearly.

Also, you will be able to access your pension. It may be complicated in NG because there’s no recognized provider yet but by the time you’re at the age to access it I’m pretty sure it’ll be more straightforward because of the sheer number of people affected and the fact that the financial services industry in NG is advancing rapidly.

And what if after everything things work out and you decide to stay in the UK however long that takes? You’ll have missed out on crucial years of contributions and the attendant compounding which will be especially problematic because the compounding in the earlier years are the ones that have the largest impact.

Lastly, you probably think you will invest it yourself to access when you retire but where? If it’s not locked away the statistics are clear that you’re likely to access it at some point due to the vagaries of life. So where will you find a self-invested pension or similar product that you can be as confident that it will be there for you to access after decades when you come to retire? NG? For all the issues there’s a reason why the City is one of the financial nerve-centers of the world.

If anything the strategy should be to save and invest more so you have more flexibility - I’m fully aware that’s easier said than done especially with potentially more years of IHS and fees to pay but it is what it is.

Carry your eyes away from your pension and try to put more money in an ISA so you can save on tax, and squirrel away as much as possible so whether you’re going home, staying here or moving elsewhere you’ll have some more funds to work with.
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 9:11pm On Feb 07
Teedol:
Well said, IMO, an average Briton is a racisit and xenophobe, this is reflected in the government decisions over the years on employment and immigration policies.

"Data indicates the UK has high levels of anti-immigrant sentiment within Western Europe, with a documented rise in racist and xenophobic incidents, particularly surrounding the 2016 Brexit referendum and continuing into 2025. While not describing all citizens, this trend involves widespread anti-immigration attitudes, racial, and religious-based hate crimes (nearly 99,000 in 2023-2024), driven by political discourse, media, and far-right groups".
In your opinion - is this based on your actual experience; that the average Brit you have interacted with has been racist?
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch:
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch:
The color of Meghan’s hat at her last outing will still dominate the headlines of certain British rags more than this https://apple.news/A2zGPHptKToOs5dttcBkcyw
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 9:55am On Jan 30
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch:
Zahra29:
J D Vance had to row back quickly after running his mouth yet again and trying to diss the UK as some random country that hasn't fought a war in 30 or 40 years.

I guess he forgot when the US begged asked the UK to back them in the war against Iraq and Afghanistan after they came under attack on 9/11, and we and many other EU countries joined their fight and lost thousands of soldiers in the process. It also marked the beginning of the end of Blair's premiership.

And Vance was going on about disrespect last week. Silly.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/article/trump-false-statement-european-troops-front-line-afghanistan-67qb222mp

https://archive.is/C3wGh

Reminds me of how the role of soldiers from the colonies in supporting Britain in the world wars has been progressively airbrushed from history. Give Rump and Dunce a few more years and the vast majority of Americans will genuinely not know that Europeans took part in their country’s war in Afghanistan.

Of course that’s assuming that a reasonable number do currently but I’m feeling generous this morning.
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch:
Zahra29:
MI5 to move cables away from China mega-embassy over spy fears

The security services have drawn up plans to relocate critical internet cables away from China’s new mega-embassy in London as part of measures to reduce the risk of espionage....

...This is expected to include the supervised relocation of fibre-optic cables that carry financial and internet data between the City of London and Canary Wharf.


https://archive.ph/20260120200543/https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/china-embassy-internet-cables-london-cpg8gqdg5

Shows that national security concerns were valid and not just manufactured hysteria, and fortunately it appears that the government is prepared to act.

Win- win for the UK....we can press forward with expanding our trading relationship with China, without compromising our sensitive assets.

And now let's wait and see how long it takes China to approve the UK's planning application for a larger embassy in Beijing 😄
Yes this was in the article I posted as well:

‘It is understood that the full plans were well known to the security services as part of the planning process, now led by the communities secretary, Steve Reed. Insiders add that even though the Royal Mint Court site is roughly between London’s two financial districts in the City and Canary Wharf, the concerns about cabling are exaggerated. “Traffic can be re-rerouted and, if necessary, cabling removed,” an official said.’

Which is why all my comments referenced risks being identified and mitigated. The idea that such an obvious thing was visible to everyone and their granny but the government still went ahead and granted approval without assessing it was not a real risk or could be mitigated effectively, is what was and continues to be, hysteria.
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 1:25pm On Jan 20
Zahra29:
And the Lib Dems....
The Lib Dems have been focused on the optics, the 'oppression of hong kongers' and potential usage of the place to detain dissenters. Although they have referenced spying and surveillance generally, they don't seem (I haven't looked, beyond the 2 minute Google search just now, so I might be mistaken) to have joined the rags I named in peddling the absurd cable tapping conspiracy theory.

https://www.libdems.org.uk/press/release/ico-urged-to-force-release-of-ministers-discussions-on-unredacted-chinese-super-spy-embassy-as-pm-accused-of-conspiracy-of-silence
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 1:06pm On Jan 20
Also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/18/chinese-mega-embassy-london-british-spies-mi5-analysis

And this: https://www.chathamhouse.org/2025/07/what-uk-must-get-right-its-china-strategy A very clear-eyed assessment of the UK-China relationship from Chatham House, unlike the hysteria from the Daily Heil, Torygraph et al.
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 1:03pm On Jan 20
Also, some of those who might want to blame Labour for this should read this:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/29/boris-johnson-approved-chinas-super-embassy-proposal-in-2018

As far back as 2018 the issues around cybersecurity had been assessed and mitigated, but still people think in the almost-10 years since any risks still have not been identified. Ask the protesters to explain how exactly they think it would work and it'll be crickets, I'm sure.
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch:
HustlaOfLagos:
The whole thing is ridiculous to me sha.

if I want to spy on you, why would I build in your country, under your very nose when I know you can easily catch me? It's the same as the EV listening on people kini. Guess who was actually asked to pay fines for listening in on people and guess which country the coy is resident in? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr4rvr495rgo

Look at how this one was rambling when asked about listening EVs


If you are concerned, what about iPhones / Android devices that are made in China? Our Google / Amazon home speakers? laptops? bluetooth headphones?
It really is a storm in a teacup that's driven by the same China = boogeyman propaganda that makes people react with visceral fear when they hear 'China' without stopping to think about the issue at all.

The odds that the plans would be approved if there was a real risk of China tapping into any comms infrastructure is zero. The issue has been analysed and analysed over almost a decade and everyone from government to all the various intelligence agencies have said it's fine to go ahead from a security standpoint, but we're to take the word of Nairaland security experts that all of those people are missing something so obvious as Xi jinping drilling through the soil and tapping everyone's whatsapp messages, in the same way that Chinese EVs are all listening to people but somehow Chinese phones are completely fine.

It's actually very ridiculous once one holds it up to the light in that way, just like the overarching argument that China is a bigger danger to world peace than America, the UK etc who have invaded countries left right center, kidnapped and assasinated heads of state on every continent (except the ones where there are no heads of state lol), spied on everyone including their allies and generally caused the deaths of millions of people in the past few decades alone.

Most people stop thinking when they hear china and react solely on instinct - that's what it all boils down to sadly, and the media is largely to blame.
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 9:27am On Jan 20
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 3:33pm On Jan 19
Zahra29:
The bolded is another work of your imagination. I have also said that the UK has at times been complacent in its dealings with China, case in point the super embassy issue, so my criticism isn't reserved for Africa or the Caribbean - in fact I have been far more vocal and critical about the UK government - which an objective reader can clearly see.

Yet another instalment of "The Z Rants of Good/Bad Enoch" - I'm sure your supporters will lap it up so "ride on" grin

>> "instead of being humiliated and threatened daily by an ‘ally’. "

You mean like Trump effectively banning citizens of certain countries from even entering or settling in the US? undecided
Yes, exactly. Difference is those countries didn’t think they had a “special relationship” with a peer power so they aren’t acting shocked at the realization that they’ve been nothing but vassals all this while 😉
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 2:40pm On Jan 19
Zahra29:
Lol @ you attacking my one sentence response to a post while choosing to ignore the original post that was longer and more critical. If you are so pressed about China being viewed through a cautious/negative lens, why not engage with that post?

My view remains the same. I have some family in the Caribbean so I have "real basis" for this view, at the same time my main concern is my own home and the complacency of my own government. Let me know if you need help understanding this 😊
I couldn’t possibly care less about China being viewed with any kind of lens.

I am African and my sole concern (as I told you earlier) is the dismissive way you claimed African and Caribbean countries are short-sighted and complacent just because they don’t continue to parrot and follow Western diktats about China being the enemy while the same West is cosying up to China to benefit from its financial muscle. It’s the same sort of condescending behavior the prime minister of Barbados pointed out - and usually grounded in ignorance as she also highlighted.

The UK was recently celebrating its trade talks with China (not even a deal o grin), Canada was there just last week or so for the same purpose and even over in the US Mr TACO caved in to reality when faced with the consequences of his trade war.

It’s not China that has the UK scrambling with the PM stumbling over his words like a schoolboy ‘toasting’ a girl for the first time, but you still feel comfortable dismissing entire swathes of Africa as being “complacent and short-sighted” for keeping their options open in a way that perhaps if the UK and Europe had done they’d be in a better position today instead of being humiliated and threatened daily by an ‘ally’.
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 2:16pm On Jan 19
Every day I wonder anew about how people with primary school level education and above ended up voting for or supporting this man-child: https://apple.news/AdjNbEJQ3TD-lP7znf1SfpA
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch:
Zahra29:
I've watched it.

My view remains the same, although I also agree with Cyberknight's rather sobering assessment that many of these countries may recognise that they are being used by China but may also feel that they don't have m(any) options.

Once again, the question is not whether or not to do business with China. Of course one should. The concern is to what degree. If you know anyone who was born in the Caribbean e.g. Jamaica, or has lived there for decades, ask them about the scale of China's operations over the last decade and the impact it has had/is having on the locals.

I have deliberately not spoken much about China's involvement in other countries as it's not really my business - they are free to do/trade as they please. My main concern is my own country and hoping that my government does not become complacent (and in some cases - stops being complacent) in its dealings with China. I was encouraged to see the protests over the weekend over the proposed super embassy plans - I can only hope that KS et co listen and U-turn again.
Oh? Could have fooled me with your comment that "many African and Caribbean countries are too complacent and short-sighted to realise this..." and your endorsement of the post you were responding to.

One might have thought that such a definitive comment reflected a feeling that you had a real basis to be commenting on the subject, but thanks for clarifying that it was actually baseless.
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 8:54am On Jan 19
jedisco:
It's becoming a tired narrative now. Hidden behind this 'warning' is the assumption that Africans/Caribbeans can't think for themselves.
The Prime minister of Barbados - Mia Motley put it nicely when a BBC reporter kept warning about China.

Not surprising that when you ask why - silence follows thru


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4sJqR2VNPA
Thank you for this. I had seen it before but forgot about it.

Zahra29 - watch this; it’s a direct response to your claim that "African and Caribbean countries are too complacent and short-sighted to realise this..."
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 12:07am On Jan 18
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jan/12/donald-trump-nigel-farage-london-crime-sadiq-khan

It’s quite startling how much power media wields over our minds and perceptions. I’d never have believed the stats here without such clear proof, despite the fact that I work in London.

Also a strong reminder of just how shamelessly deceptive some politicians can be. Based on the commentary from the likes of Farage, one would have thought London is on the brink of civil war.
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 9:40pm On Jan 17
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 3:21pm On Jan 14
Zahra29:
Unless you work for the MoD, drive an EV leased by the MoD, and have secret or confidential discussions involving national security - you can drive your EV in complete peace. I highly doubt that Xi is interested in listening to your rants about Aunty Kemi 🤣

https://www.forcesnews.com/news/warning-mod-staff-amid-fears-china-could-be-using-electric-vehicles-spy-military#:~:text=MOD%20warning%20stickers%20have%20been,to%20be%20connected%20to%20vehicle.%E2%80%9D
Lol. You meant this as a diss but it just goes to prove my point.

While China is evidently spying on only the MOD (according to you), the US and its vassals have been undertaking mass surveillance of citizens and just hoovering up people's data, conversations etc without any regard to their privacy or rule of law as regards warrants etc.

https://theconversation.com/from-help-to-harm-how-the-government-is-quietly-repurposing-everyones-data-for-surveillance-254690

https://www.aclu.org/issues/national-security/privacy-and-surveillance/nsa-surveillance

Obviously, China does much the same; the difference being that when it's China the West will call it dictatorship and repression but when it's the West it's 'democracy' and 'national security' cheesy

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