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Foreign Affairs / Re: Ecowas Miffed At Sa Navy Ship To Ivory Coast by Googler(m): 3:35pm On Feb 14, 2011
superboi:

My Guy are you for the military intervention? that I'd assure would just bring more chaos, because even If we assume that the Election result is correct, it means that 45% of the country supports Mr Gbagbo faction and do you think that they would sit down and allow "Northerners" like Quattara and his brother across the border Campore run their affairs just like that without a fight?(after all they also rejected their Gbagbo). My view is that if the UN was serious about allowing peace in that country they should have insisted Gbagbo (66/7 yrs, sitting president) and Quattara(68/9 ex-prime minister/acting president) act as elder state men and not run. But the greed of the west(note am not saying their the only greedy ones, me sef dey greedy,lol) wanting the resources(soon to be tapped and allocated oil and gas field) wanted them to impose their trusted man(I guess you have access records of Quattara contract and sale of public property during his short time as acting president).   

Hiya! How war take enter this matter naa, superbrother? I was enjoying the discussion till now. Ok, to answer you: I think a surgical military intervention to remove Gbagbo from power would be a great idea, but I am not in support of this planned military intervention because we cannot predict how such a venture would end; it will be too risky. And that, unfortunately, is what Gbagbo and those like South Africa, who don’t care what be as long as their companies are allowed to do business, are banking on. Sounds ambivalent? Well I admit I am on this matter of military intervention in Ivory Coast.

I don’t share your views on age and leadership. Even if I did, it would still not be the UN’s place to butt into a country and dictate to candidates to step down and become elder statesmen. Imagine the UN trying, till cocks grow teeth, to convince Gbagbo and Quatarra to step down for reason that they are 60ish, so that Guillaime Soro and Charles Ble Goude can a go at it since they are younger! And failing to convince the two old warhorses, insisting that that is what must happen.

But I note, from that post, that you share this view that Quatarra is Burkinabe. I see. With a mindset like "we will not allow these Burkinabes and their Campaore to run our affairs without a fight", I think that country has a long way to go. Crass racism, sir, is the underlying problem in Ivory Coast. Forget all this talk about UN this, rebels that, France this, recount that. That country has a long way to go. So does Africa as long as we keep this mindset.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Ecowas Miffed At Sa Navy Ship To Ivory Coast by Googler(m): 6:07pm On Feb 11, 2011
superboi:

Googler, while I don't like dueling or living in the realms of conspiracy, it does happen and that seems to be the case in this one. Go check Quattara history with the French and Gbagbo history with the west. Clearly if I where the west I would choose to back Quattara in a 50/50 case which this election seem to be now( note that Gbagbo won the first round).
When the plans of this elections were being laid out by the UN regional "powers" like Nigeria should have complained like Mbeki(then president of RSA did!!). How do you plan an election between a rebel half of a coountry and the other half in government with the main heads as contenders? who would accept the result? How do you conduct an election when rebels are still armed in a country(If they win do you think the army would hand over to dissents?). How do you plan an election when one party have an overwhelming majority(Quattara party) in the electoral commission and the other party the Majority in the constitutional council(Gbagbo, has powers of Nigerian Supreme court in election matters)?. Only Mbeki asked Questions then and rightly so but the UN in my opinion continue to be incompetent as they always are when they intervene in country soveringty. Googler If you are president would you hand over to rebels who won in areas they control with overwhelming number?. If I post some docs I have seen on other forums i would be tagged a spammer.
All that should have been thrashed out BEFORE the elections, my friend. What you are saying is that there were imperfections in the system which are now haunting it - I would say which Gbagbo is now taking advantage of. You see, the world is ruled by chaos - we thrive in spite of it. In a war situation, it's much worse. Gbagbo had delayed those elections for 10 years and had brought CIV to a situation where the "powers" just wanted the elections, any elections, to go on, just as they accepted Gbagbo in 2000 just as long as as Guei, who had become the symbol of the problem, was gone. If I agree to go into an election I would abide by the rules and hand over to the WINNER, rebels or no rebels. The issue is not about handing over to rebels - are you saying Mrs Perry should not have handed over to Charles Taylor? Or that Frelimo should have rigged and cancelled results if Renamo had won in Mozambique? When did being a rebel take away anyone's citizenship? I observe it is convenient for Gbagbo supporters to try to present Quatarra as a rebel even though it was Gbagbo that has created the conditions that have led him to become joined at the hips with the rebels whom he was never affiliated with from the beginning.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Ecowas Miffed At Sa Navy Ship To Ivory Coast by Googler(m): 4:39pm On Feb 11, 2011
superboi:


Googler I guessed you haven't followed my position on this issue. I believe even Nigeria should follow our own selfish national interest, which would be what weaken french influence in West Africa would afford us. But our leaders are not strategic thinker and are a hopeless bunch. Do you know the positive effect that dropping of the CFA franc by Cote D'ivorie would have on Nigerian Economy if we were to organise or selves? If Cote D'ivore breaks that ancestral cord with france more CFA zone countries would follow and if Nigeria Business Positions well we would rip from this. I would give you an instance(make e be like say na talk I dey Talk),
From the about the 70s to the year 2000 or there about they was a unified national airline for all French west africa( Air Afrique), this airline was as inefficient as our nigeria airways but almost all the money and later its equipment and profit was french, therefore most of the passengers it carried from its about 11-12 member countries were paying money to the french. This airline got liquidated at about the same time with our Nigeria Airways, however without proper government backing or plans our Nigeria private airlines are now performing strongly on this routes are make their main profits on this routes by providing services that was vacated by the defuct air afrique. Imaging the effect of losing a business of about 250 million people would have on the french central bank? why do you think they need Quattara there badly(I don't blame them fighting for him, but my problem is us (Naija) fighting for ourselves).
Brilliant analysis! I love it. What I don't agree with, what is not borne out by any facts, is the claim that Quatarra = pro-French, Gbagbo = pro-Ivory Coast. All the French needed to do was throw in a little support for Gbagbo and he would sell CIV to them, as Gbagbo and his camp would do anything for power. All the anti-French talk from his camp is mere rhetoric. There could well be economic considerations in Ivory Coast, but the basic issue is that an election was held and there were winners and losers. A constitutional council then rejected the results, then nullified a portion of it, modified it, and then declared its own winner - nothing French or Nigerian about that, just pure wuru-wuru. All that France and the much vilified West are doing is pitch their tent with the winner in the belief that would secure their national interests, fair enough.

superboi:

Googler you write like you are not conversant with this Quattara guy who is now claiming to be Mr Democracy. Let me not paint the picture for you try read about him and his antecedence from various medium and draw up your own conclusion, all Gbagbo said is that let them be a more neutral Umpire to recount the vote. No why Ban Ki moon and co would be fair in a case involving a former collegue. When they set up the elctoral panel in 2005/6 Mr Mbeki told them the election wouldn't work with it composed like that and it would probably end in dispute. Guess Mbeki is also a prophet or the UN "big-wigs" wanted it to be this way knowing we would all say remove another african sit tight leader!!!
Whatever problems Quatarra may have are to his profile as a person and Gbagbo has far more issues. Ivorians voted for Quatarra and that should be respected. Gbagbo never asked for a recount in the beginning - he simply had his council declare himself the winner. Are you saying that at the time  his council was doing that the UN should have been asking for a recount? No. It simply stuck with the winner and that is what it continues to do, even now that Mr Gbagbo is stalling for more time by asking for a recount. Mr Ban is playing by the rules.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Ecowas Miffed At Sa Navy Ship To Ivory Coast by Googler(m): 2:09pm On Feb 11, 2011
morpheus24:

Why should they play big brother when the rest of Africa is not on equal political, economic or social grounds as they are. They influence their regional bloc and the rest of Africa might as well be irrelevant to them.

Thats on our various countries to wake the azz up and see that black people can run an efficient and sustainable system within the Afrian context. instead jealousy dey worry people

Not a good strategy.
I agree with the bit about waking up and running an efficient system - our present state is too bad to continue. But I can't seem to get the point in anything else you wrote. The rest of Africa can be irrelevant to them, fair enough, but should they then keep sabotaging the rest of Africa just for a mess of porridge?

superboi:

Not the whole of Africa countries are harlot to the west. And the South African ship is just a supply ship in its Navy and it is there to take out south African citizens if crazy Ecowas try their invasion. But trust ECOWAS leaders to engage in fearmongering. 
How does going to Addis to sabotage the progress already made on Ivory Coast amount to a repudiation of harlotry? Even if as you have been arguing the correct position is that Quatarra should forget about his mandate and let Gbagbo rule forever, the point you are missing is that RSA is not acting in Ivory Coast's interest but its own. This is a pattern that has run through their foreign policy since Mandela stepped down. Read up on their shenanigans on Morocco and other places. They are doing exactly what Regan and Thatcher did with UN sanctions and Mobutu and the others did with African resolutions during apartheid.
Celebrities / Re: Gov. Fashola Saves Ailing Nollywood Actor, Ifeanyi Dike by Googler(m): 1:50pm On Feb 11, 2011
lokya:

.what a dumb Question does it matter if he uses Govt money.
Actually, it does matter. Sorry, but I haven't the time right now to give a lecture on PRIVATE CHARITY and GOOD GOVERNANCE.

Anyway, on a human level, this good, especially if he was using his personal money.

You cannot watch AIT for 10 minutes nowadays without someone coming to the screen to beg for a couple of millions or so to go India for some surgery. So beyond the level of human compassion which Mr Fashola  has exhibited, we should cry for Nigeria, as our governments have reduced us to beggars who are constantly appealing to the public for money to fly to India. We should say "shame" to the likes of Fashola who are in a position to fix the health sector so that no has to fly to India for a mere kidney problem.

If Mr Fashola and his colleagues have done what they should it would require far less than N7m to treat this man at home and whoever is paying for  his treatment would spend far less. If what Nigerians want is for their governments to abandon hospitals and selectively sponsor private citizens on foreign medical trips, our legislative houses should pass laws to that effect so that all who need surgery and can't afford to pay will submit applications which will be reviewed by an impartial panel which will recommend people using some defined criteria. That would be fair enough. What is good for a Nollywood star is good for a bus conductor.
Foreign Affairs / Re: With $70 Billion, Mubarak Is World’s Richest Dictator by Googler(m): 5:34pm On Feb 09, 2011
USD 70 billion for Mubarak? Nah!
Foreign Affairs / Re: Ecowas Miffed At Sa Navy Ship To Ivory Coast by Googler(m): 4:50pm On Feb 09, 2011
No surprise there! South Africa has been set against the rest of Africa since the end of apartheid. No, Mandele's era was actually different - it started with Mbeki. From refusing to cooperate with the rest of Africa on the issue of Morocco and Western Sahara to congratulating Yar'Adua when materials meant for our elections were at a printer's office in Johannesburg, their foreign policy has been driven by, how did John Atta Mills put it? "Mind your own business!" It seems the new rulers of the country don't care if the rest of Africa burns as long as there is "peace" and South African companies are allowed to trade and bread and butter is repatriated. The role they are playing now is the same role played by the likes of Mobotu and Banda during the apartheid era. It's quite sad when you consider the history of the country.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Tunisia's President Resigns by Googler(m): 6:36pm On Jan 17, 2011
The economic factor was there, but it was not sufficient to drive the young man to suicide - it took an insensitive law enforced by an inhuman police department. Again the economic factor had been there, but it then took this suicide to ignite the riots - talk about lighting a match in a room full of explosives. But you don't seem to get my point - proper reporting, context and all that. There is no one you will tell anywhere in the world that a young man committed suicide because he could not find a job who will be able to make sense of it since that person is bound to know many people who are without jobs. It is when you then supply the context that the story would be complete.
Religion / Re: How To Present Your First Fruits by Googler(m): 5:31pm On Jan 17, 2011
Theoretically, yes. But in practice I am aware the churches encourage you go give up your January salary. And there are subtle threats and testimony to goad you. One would have expected institutions like the church to preach voluntary donations like they did in the NT, rather than "first fruits". Or do you give your first son to God today like they were asked to do in the OT?

And about "salvation", Why should I "give" my "life to Christ"?
Foreign Affairs / Re: Tunisia's President Resigns by Googler(m): 5:15pm On Jan 17, 2011
Akhenaten:

I already knew that. But the main point was that he could not find a job, in which there many Tunisian graduates who cannot find jobs.
I'm surprised you can't seem to appreciate how important context is in reporting a shocking incident such as a young man burning himself alive. And I would have thought the main points were (1) He could not find a job (2); The state harassed him for trying to make an honest living.

But, perhaps, you can argue that only point 1 is important since he would have committed suicide without point 2?
Foreign Affairs / Re: Tunisia's President Resigns by Googler(m): 4:53pm On Jan 17, 2011
^^^ The young graduate set himself on fire because the police tried to stop him from selling fruits and vegetables on a cart, saying he needed a license to do so.
Religion / Re: How To Present Your First Fruits by Googler(m): 4:39pm On Jan 17, 2011
@Joagbaje
While I am guided only by my conscience as I am neither a Christian nor a traditionalist, and do not believe in or attach any importance to this "first" thing they way you and traders and many around seem to, I recognise the soundness of your write-up above within the context of popular practice.

But going purely by the logic of what you wrote, don't you think a man's first salary on every job, and not first salary of every year, should then go to the church? Don't you think that a church demanding every 12th salary from a member is taking things a bit far?
Religion / Re: Jehovah’s Witness Leader Goes On Trial In Russia by Googler(m): 12:51pm On Dec 29, 2010
Not new in Russia. They keep running rings around the Witnesses at the instigation of Orthodox Church.
Foreign Affairs / Re: The Ivory Coast Crisis - Another Perspective by Googler(m): 12:45pm On Dec 29, 2010
Faeb:

Dude, the sight of NNS Aradu would look like the second coming of Jesus to their catapult weilding army. cool
Kill Nigerians ke! Dreams!
grin

Horus:

Thousands of Nigerians in Ivory Coast are now living in fear. If ECOWAS attack Ivory Coast they fear revenge killings against the Nigerian community in Ivory Coast. Hundreds of Nigerians living in Abidjan already received death threats. I thing a military action is a very bad option and will lead to a civil war with thousands of dead including Nigerians living in Ivory Coast.
I share your concerns. Nigeria has to consider this carefully. There is a Nigeria fatigue in the sub-region and so Nigerian soldiers will meet with particular hostility. Maybe other African countries should send in troops. I mean, if Ecowas cant' do it without Nigerians, the AU should handle it. We can't bank on the South Africans but The Ethiopian military can overrun Ivory Coast in a matter of hours.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Un Recognizes Ouattara As Ivory Coast's President by Googler(m): 12:40pm On Dec 29, 2010
Kobojunkie:

But dude, I understand you want to tell us stories(I have come to understand that it is somehow part of who we are as Nigerians to tell stories that at the end of the day mean little or nothing to the issue at hand) of what happened two millions years ago and what not. The problem is this current problem all started when Gbagbo allowed the Constitutional council to declare the results of an election, conducted by an INDEPENDENT election committed, null, but then it turned around and with the same voting results declared Gbagbo the winner of the election. Why? Does the constitution give such power to the committee? If yes, where?
Right.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Your Own Solution To The Middle East Crisis, Cc: Davidylan, Everyone by Googler(m): 10:23am On Sep 01, 2010
And they are about to start another round of talks. I hope they prove the naysayers wrong this time and find peace. smiley
Religion / Re: Obama Thanks Satan, Could This Be True? by Googler(m): 7:27pm On Aug 03, 2010
Someone must be making up these theories as a full time job.
Religion / Re: The Wide Gate And The Narrow Gate by Googler(m): 7:22pm On Aug 03, 2010
Deep Sight:

If anything in today's world apparently the generality belong to religious theistic groups so that certainly looks like the wide gate to me. cool
grin
The "narrow" gate must non-believers then?
Religion / Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Googler(m): 7:19pm On Aug 03, 2010
^^^ E take it easy, now! The problems you highlight are not restricted to the members of any single religion. You can pick up any other, take it apart and find the issues.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Your Own Solution To The Middle East Crisis, Cc: Davidylan, Everyone by Googler(m): 1:30pm On Jun 09, 2010
Ikomi:

@Afam

I don't think the UN, the middle east peace envoy combined with the the Goldstein report know what they are talking about. They are simply wasting time.

All we need is to merge Davidylan suggestions, you know all these his 1964 theories (he never misses it) then we bring that your friends explanation (you the one whose name starts with a T and ends with a D), gbam middle east don solve be that.  grin

Arabs go think say na magic. Isrealis would ask themselves what they have been thinking.  grin

Can you post the link to these suggestions, please?
Foreign Affairs / Re: Your Own Solution To The Middle East Crisis, Cc: Davidylan, Everyone by Googler(m): 6:51pm On Jun 08, 2010
davidylan:

silly. We've been at this debate for at least 4 yrs on this threads. Google and see for yourself. We've enumerated the way forward for centuries way before people like you suddenly showed up and started noticing "frightening" stuff. That i cant be half-assed to waste my time repeating the same points over and over and over again to those who are deliberately blinded to the truth does not mean i have no ideas at all.
What I've seen of you are arguments over who is right or wrong, arguments you are content to repeat over and over again.

davidylan:

puerile. The Jews accepted this proposal, even at the cost of Yitzak Rabin, the Arabs responded with the intifada. Go figure.
Rabin was dead by Camp David II. Camp David II was a new document, not exactly what Rabin put forward. From what I have read of you though, I doubt you would accept that proposal, the one you say cost Rabin. That is why it will be interesting to read your ideas. Anyway, if you prefer the heated sessions about who's wrong or right, that's your prerogative. Enjoy yourself.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Zimbabwe Grows For First Time In 11 Years by Googler(m): 6:37pm On Jun 08, 2010
^^^ Tsvangirai did not choose the name. It appears people name things for convenience, like what happened when Kenya's Narc broke up. The ones using orange as their symbol were named for an orange and the ones using some other fruit I can't recall were named for that fruit. When MDC broke into two factions the one associated with Tsvangirai came to be known as MDC-T and the one led by Mutambara as MDC-M.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Your Own Solution To The Middle East Crisis, Cc: Davidylan, Everyone by Googler(m): 12:26pm On Jun 08, 2010
Some writeup, MyJoe.

davidylan:

the road map has been clear from day 1.
This appears face saving. No, it's frightening, if it's what I'm thinking. I have read your back posts on this issue and it would be a shame if you have no ideas at all how to get out of the situation. But what would really scare me is if all you have inside your mind is unconditional support for Israel without any ideas on how the situation might be resolved.

@OP
I personally would go with the proposals put on the table at Camp David II by Bill Clinton as a starting point. I mean what we currently know of the proposals. You know, a Palestinian state at the West Bank and Gaza, with some of East Jerusalem as capital.
Religion / Re: Inesqor On The Salvation Of The Non-christian by Googler(m): 2:18pm On May 05, 2010
InesQor:



I think you are looking for an argument. Sorry, I have stopped arguing religion. I only present what I believe and move on. You may read what I have discussed on the thread, I doubt I have anything more to add to it. Thanks.

My post that you said is either unserious or dishonest was addressing my "strong reason to believe" that you asked about. If you can't see the correlation then I'm sorry I can't help further with my opinion. Best regards.
I ask a simple question which you begin answering by questioning my mental abilities, telling me something is “not rocket science”. Then you say something about the possibility of different heavens, an outrightly dishonest assertion since, as a Christian, you do believe there is only one God and one heaven. I point this out and you get angry, throwing tantrums like a three year old and trying to let on I came across as being in need of your “help”. Some of you. . .
Religion / Re: Inesqor On The Salvation Of The Non-christian by Googler(m): 1:46pm On May 05, 2010
InesQor:

Googler, its not rocket science. Im talking of the heaven Christ promised his own followers, and not some other heaven or place.
Your point here is either unserious or dishonest. There is only one heaven, so Jesus could not have talked of a special one for Christians. In that parable he was talking about the Kingdom of God. Is there a God for Christians and another for non-Christians?
Religion / Re: Inesqor On The Salvation Of The Non-christian by Googler(m): 5:48pm On May 04, 2010
InesQor:
@MyJoe: Thanks for your comment, and the valuable contribution it has brought to the thread Your post resonates with what I said earlier, although of course I have strong reason to believe that there are more pockets of wheat among Christians than in other worldviews (refer to the parable of the virgins who left to look for oil at the sound of the wrong voice). Keep it real, bro. God bless.
What is this "strong reason"? I would say highlighted is based entirely on the writer's BELIEF.
Religion / Re: My Boyfriend Is An Atheist. I Love Him But My Family And Friends Hate Him. Help by Googler(m): 6:04pm On Apr 12, 2010
I'm not religious. Na so wife go hard person to see?  sad

Be who u r 's reactions are way off. He has obviously fallen for Labake's schemes, praising her already. Later this evening, she will call on him to see he is is okay, "as I read how much this has affected you. Please don't let it get to you. These things happen."
"You don't know what you saved me from. If you not for you, "
"No, don't talk like that, naaah. I am sure she meant well."
"You are such a nice person, that is why you defending her."
"Anyway, I must leave now. Is there anything I can get you?"
"No, thanks. You've done enough already."
"Ok, I must go then."
"Em, Labake, "
"Yes, ?"
"You are such an angel."
"Thank you."
"Em, tomorrow, can you, "
"What, ?"
"No. Don't worry. I will call you later. Good night."
"Good night."
And Labake dances a little ajasco outside the door before calling an okada,
Religion / Re: Noetic, Purist, Lets Discuss Freewill & Predestination. by Googler(m): 11:06am On Apr 12, 2010
Predestination and free will are perfectly compatible. Augustine wrote on this but the shortcomings in his approach are legion and have created many problems theologians have been trying to resolve ever since. The Catholic Church's compromise doctrine of "prevenient grace" (God giving individuals the grace to will themselves into a state of grace) does not resolve the problem either. You can only appreciate the true meaning of destiny and free will when you consider the life of a human as a whole thread as taught in the doctrine of reincarnation. I recommend m_nwankwo's post above.
Religion / Re: Claims To Divinity - - - - Everywhere! by Googler(m): 10:49am On Apr 12, 2010
Pastor T.B. Joshua invites you to say Emmanuel (With Us Is God) when you appear on his programme. I believe that in another 100 years or less, his followers will be referring to him as God.
Religion / Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: the only true religion? by Googler(m): 10:40am On Apr 12, 2010
^^^ MyJoe, so you ate your seed yams! LOL. The JW seem to back up everything they say with the Bible, though.
Religion / Re: Religious Section Posters J A M B Questions (Comical) by Googler(m): 1:17pm On Apr 09, 2010
'ntresting. smiley
Religion / Re: The Story Of Jos Killings In The Bible by Googler(m): 5:30pm On Mar 22, 2010
noetic16:

is this not a contradiction? . . ,  on one hand u agree that they should have a sense of defence. . .yet on the other hand u literarilly condemn their wars?. . . . . .

what intellectual analysis do u  have for the war at Jericho . . . where the people of Jericho denied the children of Israel peaceful passage?. . .but rather chose to shut their cities. do u consider the wilderness habitable for people of such a huge number? do u not consider them open to attacks from all ends of the divide?

where EXACTLY have u drawn the line between a sense of defence and extremism?. . .cos given the scenario in discourse. . .there is NO such line.

1. mazaje, why exactly are we running round in a circle? If u believe that God asked moses to go fight wars and take up those lands as an heritage. . . . .why EXACTLY then are u screaming that some people got killed in the process of acquiring the promised land?. . . I just dont get your drift any more.

2. I believe that if u at least attempt to remove your hate for God. . . . .u would see the need for survival for millions of people who had just left slavery. . .  .and this need of survival is only achievable through diplomacy or war. Since Jericho was offered a peace deal and they rejected it . . . . .were the COS (children of Israel) wrong to have taken the war option?. . . .a little intellectual honesty is needed here.


what are they innocent of?. . . .innocent of the knowledge that their parents were killed by the COS? . . .are u serious at all?

No offence intended. . . .but the above is plain ridiculous.
How can u compare present day war scenarios guided by laws and fought for ulterior moses with the scenario the COS found themselves?. .  . . . .pls gimme a break

The above has no relevance to the thread.

There are times I can't answer the question whether people believe their own lies or not.

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