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Moremii:
...my approach to it is highly unconventional, haha.

For instance, I completely reject the Yahweh deity worshipped in the mainstream. To me, he's a fraud and deceiver and he's the one Christ came down to preach against. This doesn't make me an unbeliever though. I still insist that I'm a Christian anyway, because that's literally what I am: a believer of Christ.

I'm sure I've already confused people with my first paragraph and so this is why I've decided to create a thread to discuss what Christianity actually is, because many people think they know what it is, when they actually don't. Everything I will say here is not necessarily strange or original per se, but the average Christian in the mainstream probably (and ironically) considers all of it to be blasphemy. At any rate, I don't see it being spoken about much on here and so I'm writing all this for anyone who, like I once was, is currently filled with nagging questions about his/her faith that just won't go away, no matter the amount of apologetic gymnastics.

Questions will be appreciated all the same. My response time might be erratic because of my irregular schedule, but I'll try my best keep up.

Interesting...
I see traces of Marcion of Sinope in this your write up. He was the first personality in the church to create his own bibliography which excluded the Demiurge God of the old testament.
His own Bible consisted of the gospels and the letters of Paul but the church elders and leaders branded him a heretic and a blasphemer . They confisticated and burned all copies of this Bible and banished Marcion.

However reading your thread further I see that you probably know about Marcion already.
I personally find that most Christians don't know much about their Bible and it's origins and are not even interested in knowing any thing about the Bible, in fact I would go further to state that Christians are scared to research into the history of the Bible because the mind control is very deep
Closely following this thread.

GothamCities:
Tamar was raped by her brother. She didn't commit any incest.

Can you define incest?
The answer is in your post. Lol....😉

Your second assignment is to go and read Genesis chapter 38 because your premise is already flawed. Genesis 38 is the story of the incestuous relationship between a father in law and a daughter in law. Happy reading!

judewrites:
Sin is sin...no sin is greater than the other. Both incest, adultery and murder attracts God's wrath and can condemn anyone to hell.

However, God particularly punished David for his adultery and murder. Remember David was the man after God's heart.

I'm speaking out of my opinion, so your contribution is appreciated.

Like I said :you need to go down the rabbit hole and research these things no matter how difficult it seems .
Why is Tamar's sin of incest exalted in the Bible while Bathseba's sin of adultery is apparently condemned?
Your explanation that it is the:"The word of God" is flawed.
The simple fact is that these books were written by men with personal agenda's ,masquerading as writing under the influence of a God.

judewrites:
📖 2 Samuel 12
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⁹ Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

¹⁰ Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.


In Matthew 1: 1_17, we see a comprehensive list of the generations that eventually produced Jesus in the flesh.

However out of all the names on this list, a particular name is omitted: Bathsheba's_


📖 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias.
— Matthew 1:6

Why was her name not mentioned?

Was she abominable by her adultery with king David? I don't think so.

Tamar committed incest with Judah her father in law, but her name was boldly written in Jesus' genealogy (Matthew 1: 3)

It's worthy to note that Bathseba was identified by her husband's name: Uriah_ and not king David who later married her.

God is perfect (2 Samuel 22:31 Psalm 18:30) Therefore He's incapable of mistakes, therefore His WORD is perfect_

📖 The law of the LORD is perfect...
— Psalms 19:7

I believe God didn't mention her name but used her husband's name to remind us all of the troubles that befell David to this day several years after his adultery and murder of Uriah.

It's sad that many men and women today refuse to heed God's perfect Word and live an adulterous lifestyle... thinking they are enjoying life.

But God cannot be fooled.

It is funny how Christians argue points in a circular manner.
1. Tamar engaged in incest .
2. Bathseba engaged in adultery.
3. The assumed writer of Mathew's gospel decided in his wisdom to mention Tamar who committed incest in the genealogy of Jesus but for reasons best known to him alone decides NOT to mention Bathseba in the genealogy but rather identifies her through the name of her murdered husband Uriah.
4. In conclusion incest is a better sin than adultery because God cannot be fooled .


This is the manner in which some Christians make circular arguments that are contrary to all forms of logic.

Christians need to open their minds and proceed to go down the rabbit hole. It costs you nothing to research the SYNOPTIC GOSPELS PUZZLE to understand that the writers of Mark,Matthew and Luke were scribes who were not witnesses to the ministry of Jesus and and such either 1.Copied the accounts from one another. 2.Copied the accounts from the same sources. 3.Relied on oral traditions.

Each of these nameless writers wrote their accounts from a particular point of view and with a decided agenda from the beginning.
Mark which was the first gospel written was obviously written with the aim of telling the Jesus story with no frills and direct to the point while Mathew's gospel which obviously was copied from Mark had an agenda to tell the story from a Jewish stand point. Luke on the other hand copied both Mark and Mathew and embellished the Jesus story from the Gentiles point of view. The gospel of John on its own part is a story for another day.

Kushites:
You people just come online and type all sorts of nonsense.

As we speak there is a Battle for Victor Osimhen’s signature between Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea, Juventus and Al Hilal!

They have all held talks with him, and it’s left for him to Choose where he wants to go.

He’s just in Napoli as a formality before he leaves.

Do you people even check the news about Osimhen on Google before coming here to type all this stuff?

You don’t read or research anything, but you are full of ‘opinion’.

Osimhen is very likely ending up at Liverpool this season.

You people just come on line and type all kinds of insults forgetting you don't have the monopoly on insults. When you lack knowledge on issues your first resort is Insults.
This is why the country is where it is because the average Nigerian does not do any research on issues but relies on lies,propaganda and innuendos which are the work of his agent placing false information in the media to work the clubs against each other but apparently it is not working because most of these clubs are limited in what they can spend due to financial fair play rules. If Oshimen ends up at Liverpool on a permanent contract and not a loan,I would be pleasantly surprised because the facts don't point in that direction.
Oshimen is a professional footballer and a good one at that however no coach trying to establish discipline in his camp would take a risk of a permanent football contract with a player with so much circus and social media baggage that surrounds him for an astronomical transfer fee.
I hope he gets a good club but from my nonsensical view point according to you the facts point to another loan deal until the Napoli contract runs out.

Runaway:
He should just leave for another club. Conte don't like Nigeria players. He did to to Mikel at Chelsea, now Osimhen.

Lol....😁
Conte does not like Nigerian players indeed.
When Conte converted Victor Moses to a rampaging wing back and won the league with Chelsea,did he hate Nigerian players?
A good coach uses his best players because the target is to win games and amass points on the log.
The simple point is that as good a player as Victor Oshimen is,he comes with a lot of unwanted baggage. The circus of so called Nigerian Internet influencers he rolls with is an clear and obvious distraction that no serious coach would want in his camp. The fact that no serious club wants to sign him except for short loan deals is self explanatory.

Lol...😊
Why were the bale's pretending that they were representing the Kabiyesi,the Ojora of Ijora and Iganmu kingdom in a partisan political party meeting.
That is fraudulent.
They deserve their punishment!

lexxwiz:
No he didn’t lie… you didn’t get the context. What he meant was, he had worn a watch for 18years. Meaning, “you cant be spending on whats not relevant” . He didn’t tell you that he doesn’t own more than 1 watch. Check again.

Watch to the end and stop all these evil explanations on behalf of Obi who laundered money for Sani Abacha through Tin Can Island port probably before you were born.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW9jynFIKK8?si=CxcjAnUajaotBc6K

SonofElElyonRet:
Try to be objective. It's not in all cases that you must oppose your opponent. I don't believe in an Obi presidency but I won't let that becloud my sense of judgement.. read the story in the link

Obi is not my opponent. My grouse is his pretentious squeaky clean personae when he is actually a repackaged devil.
Social media space is not a court of law. Bringing a case with a valid court proceeding is a charade and contempt of court.
Obi and his proxy brother have finally decided to do the proper and right thing I rest my case.

SonofElElyonRet:
https://www.nairaland.com/8460921/peter-obis-brother-heads-court

So why the media circus when they should have done this from the beginning?
Peter Obi is a cunning ,conniving manipulative liar.
He knows social media is not a court but was trying to play the victim card while waving his tribal IPOB flag as usual.

casualobserver:
The reason why Peter Obi is claiming the property belongs to his brother and cannot show any documents is because he acquired (or thought he acquired the property) while he was governor of Anambra state.

Company house records show Peter Pbi is a director of Next foods. In the interview he claims the property belongs to next foods. In the same interview he says the property was acquired 15 years ago…….while he was governor.


The man is worse than the devil!

He was likely duped by a land seller because the land was sold to the woman by the federal government in 2003.

Why is he so eager to distance himself from direct ownership? Because the property was purchased (albeit illegally) while he was governor!

For 8 years that Peter Obi was governor of Anambra state he robbed the state blind. I don't know if you have seen the Next cash and carry mall he built in Port Harcourt. This is a mall he could have built in Anambra state to at least provide jobs for Anambra indigenes considering the fact that the money was looted from the state,but because he is wicked he went and sited this edifice in Port Harcourt to provide jobs for Indigenes of Rivers state.
What a wicked and evil man.

Bentacur007:
Corrupt NDLEA officials.. Finding more ways to loot
Go and open locked shops in Onitsha

At bolded NDLEA is not the same organisation as NAFDAC that sealed shops in Onitsha. It is strange that people liked this misleading comment.

SonofElElyonRet:
All you do is make wild assumptions... Why should I go to court. I am not an interested party and certainly not an obidient. You should try to be objective once in a while.. shalom
Modified: just went through the claimant's response to Peter Obi. Seems she claims they were duly served but didn't show up for discussions.. hmmmm.. we need some further investigation into this matter

It is now you know they need further investigation.....
Peter Obi has always been a crafty and manipulative liar.
Watching Peter Obi's lamentation video yesterday it was obvious that the court suit Number was boldly written on the outside fence in red paint. However Obi and his followers like you decided to turn a blind eye to this.

1 The bonafide landlady Mrs Olorunlogbon has a court judgement allowing her to take possession of her property.
2 Mrs Olorunlogbon has a certificate of occupancy for the property.
3. Peter Obi's faceless brother has refused to attend court proceedings.
4. Peter Obi's faceless brother was invited to the Police zone 2 Onikan office over this issue but he refused to appear.
5. According to Mrs Olorunlogbon,Peter Obi has turned himself into Very Dark Man number 2 and is available for hire to carryout media charades to seek social media validation. If this is true it is very shameful that a presidential candidate would turn himself into a gun for hire and lie shamelessly that the party to the court case was his brother. Does this brother not have a name?

franchasng:
If there was a court demolition order served to the owner of the building and he refused to show up and refused to inform Obi before he went public, then both Obi and his said brother are wrong


But if there was none, which is the usual mode of operation of Lagos state government especially when it involves an Igbo person, then shame on Lagos state government and whoever effected the property demolition.



But as someone that have had similar experience in Lagos, please those defending Lagos state government and the court should better have a rethink cos this is what Lagos state government always do and pray you or your loved one don't fall victim someday before you realize that you were supporting evil thinking that you are mocking Igbos or Obi

How did Lagos state government get into this your jaundiced post?
This is a case between the faceless and nameless "brother " of Peter Obi and the bonafide owner of the land Mrs Olorunlogbon.

How Lagos state got into this your IPOB influenced post is just mind boggling.
You guys need to stop this media charade and go to court if you are aggrieved.
This Peter Obi's media circus is not helping the issue at all.

SonofElElyonRet:
It's simple logic that if he was served on him or posted on his fence/gate he would've seen it and taken some action. wouldn't have allowed his house to be demolished through his own inaction.
@bolded is more assumptions

When you are a squatter on another person's land,it is more likely you will avoid court processes and proceedings because you are guilty.
Peter Obi has a track record of being a low down pathological liar.
He should mention the name of this proxy and invisible "brother" for confirmation that he is not hiding behind him.

Some people at Alaba went and built houses illegally on waterways. The government demolished these illegally structures to avoid flood and these people started playing the victim card like Obi and as usual waving about tribal flag.
No one is buying this charade. If you feel aggrieved go to court.

SonofElElyonRet:
You are making assumptions.. the man lives there. What's wrong with just serving him.. who told you he was evading service? That wasn't stated in the story. Assuming without conceding it had been pasted on his fence, he would've seen it. He was absolutely unaware so it wasn't posted

@Bolded,
Now who is the person making assumptions?


On the other hand Obi has shown himself severally to be a serial liar. Let Obi give us the name of this "brother."
It is obvious Peter Obi is the real person contesting for this property. He is hiding behind this faceless and nameless proxy "brother".

Yujin:
Mazi Nnamdi Kanu my leader's case is that he called the Fulanis out of their genocidal plans before anyone could see them in action. He spoke against Nigeria's capability in protecting his people(Ndigbo and our Biafran brothers). He made a provision for defending our people from the then impending invasion of the Fulanis. If you counted all the above as sins, then he surely WON'T 'sin no more'. If the court rightly declares him innocent of all the charges brought against him, then he's free indeed to continue to advocate for our people.
Since you Nigerians love to shed the blood of your people frequently, count us out of your Nigeria. This is MNK's argument all along.

Oga,
Enter motor and ignore wetin them write for motor body.
LET THE COURT DECIDE!)!!
NAIRALAND.COM IS NOT A COURT.

Believeintruth:
How am I lamenting on behalf of PO?

Guy,
You need to slow down,you are all over the place on this thread making a jack azz of yourself. You must have made more than over 20 posts.
That is what we call: CRYING MORE THAN THE BEREAVED.
Obi should get a court injunction to stop the demolition if he is the owner of the property or the woman is the owner, let the courts decide.
Nairaland.com is not a court neither is the media circus Obi put up today a court.
If Obi is aggrieved and his documents on the land are genuine. He should go to court.
Good night.

SonofElElyonRet:
He wasn't served with court papers and wasn't given eviction notice.. that's the grouse

Can you serve a summons on an unknown squatter?
You paste the summons on the fence or in a national newspaper to serve as notice of repossession of your property. That is how it is done if the illegal squatter is trying to evade being served as Peter Obi and his proxy brother were dodging and evading being served the court summons in this case.

Believeintruth:
Oga have small shame and stop indulging in nonsense lie.

Lol....😁😁
Sorry I can sense your lamentations on behalf of Obi.
Even the charge and bail lawyer Obi brought to the press stated the injunction to stop the demolition has not yet been served on the land lady so the demolition can continue despite all Peter Obi's grand standing and media show.
Obi should go to court and file a proper injunction for the court to decide the teal owner of the land.

By the way I thought Peter Obi's brother was a Reverend father? I am only asking because I know Obi is the person claiming ownership of the land but hiding behind his brother as a proxy.

Believeintruth:
Oga how? Leave the hatred in your heart, and the task that they have pushed to do to tarnish his image. The man never said the demolition was targeted at him, he stated that due process was not followed and he complained that this would scare investors from investing in the country.
Haaa make una fear God and stop lying.

Stop lying. Go back and watch Obi's lamentations. He claimed he was the target of the demolition because he contested for the presidency. He gave the false impression that the demolition and eviction was carried out by the Lagos state government when the real owner was a woman who had taken him to court as an illegal unknown squatter.

Believeintruth:
Obi never said the demolition was targeted at him. He only called for due process in doing things. Make una take am easy to dey lie.

Stop this falsehood. Go back and watch Obi's video of lamentations. He said he was the target because he contested for the presidency. He also asked, :"WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY IS THIS?"

Shawarmagirl:
Yoruba man rest. Kanu is not guilty of all the charges.

I never mentioned my tribe so you must be a mind reader. On the other hand if he is not guilty,then let the court decide and set him free. However if he is guilty.......lol😁😁

Believeintruth:
You are joker, now he is proxy brother. The way you guys talk ehnnnn.

It is obvious that Peter Obi is the illegal squatter on that land. The so called brother is just his proxy place holder.

And why was Obi giving impression that the state government evicted him from the land when he knew it was a woman who took him to court.

Trust any words from Peter Obi's mouth at your own risk. Time and time again he has been shown and proven to be a pathological liar.

Sheuns:
Since you knew they were illegal squatters, why did you refer to them as unknown persons?

You already gave them an identity of “illegal squatters”. You cannot later refer to them as unknown persons.

It would have been more straightforward if they were addressed as “illegal squatters or occupants”.

Oga,
Educate yourself please. Goggle is free.
In law squatters are regarded as "UNKNOWN PERSONS. "
Squatters also have what is called Squatters rights in law. Therefore the landlord needs a court judgement to evict them from his/her land.

This case must proceed to its logical legal conclusion.
Nothing like prerogative of mercy.
If Kanu is innocent then the court should set him free to go home and sin no more. On the other hand if the court finds him guilty, then the full weight of the law should be brought down on his shoulders and he should face the maximum penalty!
Simple.

Sheuns:
He mentioned in the video that the court document was served to “unknown” person.

You just proved him right.

How do you serve an unknown person a notice?

In law illegal squatters on a land are referred to as "persons unknown." The writ of summons will be pasted on the walls conspicuously on placed in a national newspaper.
You guys need to stop playing to the gallery. In his proxy video Peter Obi claimed it was the state government that was demolishing the shanties on the land he was occupying illegally.

The full story of this issue will come out in the next few days. Peter Obi and his proxy brother were as usual playing the usual victim card and at the same time playing to the gallery.
Obi has always been a pathological liar and purveyor of falsehood. Anything from his vocal cavity should be taken with a large dose of salt!

nairalanda1:
USSR never invaded Yugoslavia.

You've gotten some historical events mixed up.

My bad. It was the racoon guy that got me pissed off by claiming the USSR was once part of Yugoslavia and his IPOB followers were lapping it up.
The USSR actually invaded Hungary in 1956 and toppled the government.
Yugoslavia and Tito were never invaded by the USSR. You are right and I was wrong.
Thanks for the correction.

Obi! Obi!! Obi!!!
Import and export.
Always playing the victim.

If that property which looks like a squatters abode really belongs to your proxy brother,then take your certificate of occupancy to the court and sue!
The press is not a court of competent jurisdiction.
Go to court and sue the state government if your documents are complete instead of pouring ashes on your head and lamenting for sympathy.

Why is the Indian government spoiling and destroying someone's business and daily bread like this now??
Can't a young man do his business in peace again?

Lol....🙃🙃🙃