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So we still dey these 'show interest, show interest' matter? Abi una want make I show interest ni?

@ Enigma,

I got your email and sent you a reply already. Please we need to get in touch on the phone between today and tomorrow, unfailingly. It's very urgent please. Thank you!

@ Enigma,

Please we need to get in touch. It's urgent and very important. I sent you a PM, don't know if it delivered. If not, kindly email me at (my I.D here)@yahoo.co.uk

Thanks

Your HAIR is the covering for your HEAD!

shdemidemi: No, it isn't.

Good. If what was spoken\taught in 1 Corinth 14 IS NOT THE SAME AS what happened at Pentecost, what makes you think or conclude what Paul was teaching in Corinth was what happened at Pentecost if u saying they not the same

2. What is not the same as you agreed, CAN BOTH SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE?

frosbel: What was spoken on Pentecost was not spoken to Men but to GOD.

If they were speaking to GOD, in what LANGUAGE were they speaking to God?

2. In what LANGUAGE did the men around HEARD the Apostles?

shdemidemi: Paul is simply saying only God can understand whatever the man speaking in an unknown tongue is saying. Remember, Paul was trying to encourage love and Preaching of the word in this particular chapter (Not tongue).

people need to hear the Word today, people have to hear the Gospel (Ref. I Corinthians 15:1-4). They have to hear the plan of salvation, they don't have to see some kind of miracle or tongues.

You didn't answer the question. Was it the SAME as what was spoken at pentecost?

Okay, I see frosbel is not talking for now. Let's move on, @ S'demi,

1 Corinthians 14:2
Amplified Bible (AMP)
2 For one who speaks in an [unknown] tongue speaks not to men but to God, for no one understands or catches his meaning, because in the [Holy] Spirit he utters secret truths and hidden things [not obvious to the understanding]

@ S'demi,

Would you say what Paul was talking here is the SAME with what happened on Pentecost?

Hint:

At pentecost, what was spoken, you agreed was spoken TO MEN, NOT TO GOD. Here ^ above, what is spoken is SPOKEN T9 GOD, NOT TO MEN.

2. What was spoken at Pentecost, you agreed MEN UNDERSTOOD it. Here ^ above, what is spoken, NO MAN UNDERSTANDS.

Would you say what Paul was talking here is THE SAME AS WHAT HAPPENED ON PENTECOST?

shdemidemi: Yes it was spoken to men.

@ Frosbel,

Do you also agree with demi on this answer so we can continue?

@ Frosbel and Shdemidemi,

Goshen360: Good. While i\we await frosbel's reply. I will continue with you.

1. You said they were NOT praying but teaching. Correct!

2. Do you agree that what was spoken. was spoken TO MEN, MEN UNDERSTOOD THE APOSTLES AND NOT SPOKEN TO GOD?

Candour: On this issue of speaking in tongues, i believe majority of what we hear in churches today qualify as absolute balderdash.It was a gift in the corinthian church so not everybody had it.However for our brethren here who display this gift, i would really like to know what the benefits are.What does it help you achieve? i would like answers with bible verses backing them up pls

I hope somebody would oblige me

Thanks

Yes, I will - step by step. Please follow what I'm asking frosbel and demide. It will be clear. soon.

shdemidemi: Yes it was understandable and they were not praying with this other tongue, they were actually teaching people about the gospel with it^^^

Good. While i\we await frosbel's reply. I will continue with you.

1. You said they were NOT praying but teaching. Correct!

2. Do you agree that what was spoken. was spoken TO MEN, MEN UNDERSTOOD THE APOSTLES AND NOT SPOKEN TO GOD?

Pastor Olu T and Emmabassey,

Una no sabi ask question o. Make I show una how to ask Frosbel and Shedemidemi questions.

@ Frosbel and Demidemi,

Do you agree that what was spoken on Pentecost was A WELL KNOWN LANGUAGE of other nations present at pentecost?

idnoble135: Hmhmm.... That was not what we agreed on. You said you'd still make your post when you are free. You did not keep to your word.

bursted!

Some Christians think everything written in the bible is for their APPLICATIONS. The bible says, whatSOEVER IS WRITTEN IN THE LAW WAS WRITTEN TO THOSE UNDER THE LAW.

Are you, Christians under the law (of Moses)?

Image123: Leave him alone Gosh, is it by force?

What are you talking about? So you don't know yet say NA BY FORCE? Do you want scripture that says NA BY FORCE?

idnoble135: Goshen well done o. Kept me waiting for nothing abi? Issoryt.
Frosbel seems to be conservative by nature. I think he is an introvert, very reserved.

My brother, I be busy man o. As I perceive you no want 'discussion' on the matter, na eim make me change my mind not bother reply as promised.

There's no basis for 'drunken' manifestation in scripture. The people who said to the Apostles that they were drunk were mocking them, not that the Apostles were actually drunk in real life and Peter confirmed it.

frosbel: I support speaking in tongues as depicted in scripture, which is to speak in genuine languages.

Frosbby bros, we have talked about this before. You promised to go study more when I asked what Paul meant by 'unknown' language BUT what was spoken on Pentecost was a 'KNOWN' language that men present understood. Pentecost was a SIGN tongue,.because the never learnt it. However, there is PRAYING tongues. First, if you can't understand the difference, that's where the problem is.

peteregwu: i believe in tithing. and i will pay it till i die.

There're three\four kinds of tithes, which one you want to pay till you die?

christemmbassey: our brother Candour said he was led to only listen and me think we should respect that, and that was y i commended him bc me i 4 disobey o, but i believe our bros is primed for another opportunity. Peace

Okay. The Spirit is subject one to another. No more comments!

^ Okay bro. Na one by one we go dey loose these people. When Christ said, he came to set the captives free and proclaim the acceptable year of God. Question, what bondage were the people in for Christ to set them free from? Food for thought.

Pastor Olu T: @ frosbel, I understand all that, but the strange language aspect. Obviously u dont believe in speaking in tongues?

No mind frosbby, you or me need to lay hands on him so he can speak in tongues.

Bidam: So there is what is called modern church in your bible abi? Such a shame.

Do you practice the 'biblical' tithe? As a man of THE LAW, do you practice tithing ACCORDING TO THE LAW?

Pastor Kun: Another problem I think is that the Pastor made the mistake of wanting to do all the talking instead of listening. A good councillor should listen more to understand the problem at hand properly before giving his counsel but in this case I think the Pastor just did all the talking using their often repeated lies with threats of hell and promises of wealth.

The most ridiculous part was when the pastor said that Adeboye and Oyedepo validated it as if they are God's mouth piece. Also the irony of them being examples of how God blesses tithers, is it not glaring that they are the collectors and primary beneficiaries of these tithes at the detriment of the tithers

You're absolutely right my brother - that the pastor did all the talking than listening to why our brother stopped tithing. In my own case when I spoke to the RCCG pastor mentor, I called him from here and he listened to what I had to say. The mistake Candour made was, he was going to talk to someone and after he (Candour) had listened to the regular teachings they often say, he should have dragged the man into his own conversation after listening to the men. Candour allowed himself to listen to the man but refused to drag the man into listening to him, he just accepted the one side talk of the man. Two people involved in a conversation, the man had said what he wanted to say, then Candour too should say he he had in mind. Chei, Candour you fall hands no be small.

2. You now see when we say tithers always have a REASON they are tithing - not because they're ALREADY blessed in Christ or through Christ BUT because they 'think' by doing that, they will be blessed - That's what we clearly saw in the case of that Pastor, he wants to buy his own jet!. They always want to DO SOMETHING for God to bless them BUT Christ's finished works, we are already blessed. Again, I will respond to the update in details later.

@ Candour,

You no TRY AT ALL FOR THAT KIND MEETING WITH THAT PASTOR. Seriously! I dey VEX for you this Sunday morning. I no efen know say you don write the update. Just woke up this morning and na your update my eyes first catch to read and you come make me vex like this.



But, I will respond to the update later. Got some things to do now.

If you going to understand Malachi, it's just 4 chapters, you have to read from chapter 1. It's ONLY THEN you will understand who God was talking to or rebuking on chapter 3 - that's context.

Ministry is all about giving to people, community and that's what we saw our Lord doing all his ministry. Today, ministers of gospel take so much from people gathered together but give little or nothing in return like Christ did. We saw Christ feeding thousands of people, helping the poor, not collecting from the poor etc but where's this in today's ministers except few ones. It's time for change!

Enigma: Yes please; the original one did not get through -- I've just checked!

I tried to but the automated system said I sent too many anonymous emails. I don't know who I sent email to other than you. Automated system lying! Anyway, I will try again but if it still doesn't deliver, kind email my on (my I.d here) @ yahoo . co. uk.

Thanks and appreciate.

Bidam: Atheists,unbelievers,carnal Christians,lawless folks are all anti tithers,that's my definition of wide gate of popularity You can imagine such population. thanks.

frosbel: is Tithe part of the 10 commandments ?

Bidam dey pretend as if he no see that kweshun.

^ lemme send again then. It will deliver to email address though.