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Bidam: Just like Adam, you would look for someone to blame,if you weren't so blind and ignorant you would've seen where i did post about making the mistake of commenting in the first place hence my apologies.Dont worry. I read where you admitted you shouldn't have jumped into the thread but you shouldn't have twisted the whole concept in the first place after the OP explained the initiative and the true intent. It is because of what you said that generated this argument. Let peace reign! |
Tgirl4real: Soon, both of us will org our own "Woman thou hath loose"Why are you letting the cat out of the bag? Ki lo ma n seyin gan na? ![]() |
Okay, @ All, This is not a programme for dividing the brethren. I will never do that even though we can disagree. I don't want to dwell on this matter as such, I just have to explain few things. The whole issue is all about Bidam. The OP explained my initiative and the purpose of the programme - it is part of my 'thank you' contribution to the great people of this section. Bidam came and twisted the whole concept and then, 'in hastiness of words', DrummaBoy responded 'perhaps' in anger because him and Bidam had their intense on going argument that I suppose was carried over to this thread - such should not be of Bidam in the first place. Like Tgirl said, we had people like Pastor Olu T, Pastor AIO and Ihedinobi as selected BUT we had to 'decide' the days of event and when we came up it was going to be 3 days, then we had to 'prayerfully' select the teachers, only one person was voted. Like I said, we cannot accommodate everyone in this first edition and that doesn't mean we divide the house. I will say, the statement of DrummaBoy is not his true intent but he might have spoken out of on-going argument between him and Bidam especially when Bidam came to corrupt the true intent of the programme and made big issues of out it that some people were not invited. Bidam wasn't there with the organizers, how could he conclude it was because of our differences that made us kicked some people out? Enigma came and straightened that up to clear that from his mind that he also disagree with one or two of the speakers on trinity with explanation that our differences could not have been the reason why some people are left out at this first edition. If we had selected more people, some people will still say why are so and so not selected - that's childishness. Let us allow peace reign among the brethren. The truth is, after this convention, does that make our differences suddenly or immediately disappear? I don't also agree with some of the teachers on some issues like Candour said. It's not about our disagreement, we just cannot bring everybody together at this time. I don't want to let the cat out of the bag for now, I have more things in mind before the end of this year and we still cannot bring everyone together then to teach, we will have another set of teachers. Grace and truth be multiplied to you all. Let the spirit of the Lord settle this in our heart! Thank you all. |
Alwaystrue: @Goshen, no one dey fall your hand na. Afterall na your best judgement you use na, e no surprise me at all. I think I would have been more surprised if you added some of the names @Bidam mentioned o. You are just so predictable that's all. Alwaystrue: @Tgirl4real, ![]() |
^ Bidam don say you be 'seasoned' teacher. I know say na God add salt and seasoning to your life, that's why you're the salt of the world. I don explain to him why everyone cannot do teaching at this first edition, not as you wrongly concluded. Why you sef come dey fall hands naw? ![]() |
^ You and this your friend sha. ![]() |
Alwaystrue: ^^^^^Na wha for you o. How you dey naw? ![]() |
FOLYKAZE: Whats the moral in this crap you post pls? ![]() |
Bidam: No prob sir..Only Jesus knows the heart of men,but we thank God for the grace of perception.You & this tithe sha, ONLY God will help you o. ![]() |
^ Greater than solomon is Christ and in Christ, I'm more blessed with wisdom than solomon. ![]() 2. Christians are not scribes and pharisees. Why tell me\us that? Are you a pharisee? |
^ itunmo? ![]() |
Gombs: It simply applies to Christians that God doesn't recognize limitations.I have many things to say such as, New Living Translation Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God. If it APPLIES to you, then you have 613 laws to keep. You can't take one and leave the rest you know. We are ministers of the New Testament and of better covenant. We do Christlike and the Apostolic, not the mosaic. |
Kenny4lyfe: What's the essence of learning if you're not gonna apply what you learned? That's why you need to occupy yourself with your covenant where you belong which is a better covenant. |
^ Thank you my brother. God bless you. I think Bidam took the matter out of its original intent and made big issues out of it. It is practically not possible we have everybody as guest teachers except we want to make it like 5 or 7 days event. Even if you have 5\7 days, not everyone will teach and some will still complain, we can't bring in everyone (teachers) at this time. Like I said earlier, people will always disagree, convention or not but it doesn't divide us in Christ. This is the first, we have prayerfully and graciously selected our guests. It doesn't mean we dislike other. We can not all teach in this first event. |
Gombs: Romans 15v4 NIVThat it teaches you or written for our learning, does that mean it is APPLICABLE to you or written for our APPLICATION? How do you apply crossing red sea or Jordan river to Christians? |
Bidam: Quite unfortunate you left out seasoned teachers of the word like Olaadegbu, Joagbaje,Image123,Ihedinobi,Alwaystrue,Snowwy etc.. Just because they don't share your views on doctrinal tithes doesn't mean they don't have one or two things to say on the issue of grace.We love our brothers and sister you have mentioned. It's not about division - we cannot do that. We can include them in any forth coming edition. The fact we don't agree doesn't mean we are not one in Christ. We have carefully and prayerfully selected these speakers because it's the first edition of the Grace Convention. Let there be no strife brothers. We will all enjoy their teachings. |
ledafaze: Its not about organising his own convention. It is one Nairaland and here, we preach One God, One Love and One Heaven. So, I would advice we know how many lectures and have a poll for all lectures and the person with the most credible wins the opportunity to present knowing that the ones whoes names will be used in the poll will be stating their interest beforehand...You have a good suggestion but we can implement that for next time. Our teachers are already preparing and praying towards a good delivery\message. |
frosbel: Okay , let's be ALL inclusive on the condition that we will do a peer review of each other's teachings before submission.People do not always agree on one thing or the other. There's no point doing a peer review of what someone wants to teach or not - that in itself will be legalism. We say, the Spirit of God will use our guest teachers to deliver the mind of God even though some (at least not all) will still not agree to what all or one of the teachers will teach. |
truthman2012: @ OPYES! Tithe has been abolished. Hebrews 7. Read it slowly, with understanding and ask line-by-line questions. |
JesusisLord85: But I thought you said the Jews were to continue in the law, but not the gentiles. ![]() |
Bidam: wAOOH!God bless you plenty plenty.1million likes for this.Even lawless reprobates like Kun, Gosh and drummaboy couldn't provide a rebuttal for this because they will be nailing their coffins.I will NEVER follow the MOSAIC because the LAW make NO ONE PERFECT (mature) in the things of God. I will do and follow the Apostolic. Under the law, Abraham's tithe of spoils of war IS NOT ACCEPTED because it is not what is produced in Israel. It's not transfered into the law. The Abrahamic covenant is NOT based on tithe of Abraham. He was already rich before the act of tithe ONCE. Even at this once tithe, Melchizedek BLESSED him first BEFORE Abram gave that tithe. UNLIKE you, the tithers, you tithe BECAUSE YOU WANT WINDOWS OF HEAVEN OPEN (THAT'S LAW TITHING NOW, NOT ABRAHAM'S EXAMPLE), YOU TITHE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE BLESSED.....Do you now see that difference? |
Pastor Kun: These rogues want to turn Jesus into a tithe collector...as if our Lord descended from the tribe of Levi. ![]() |
You have raised so many issues and points. I will contribute later. |
Gpattern: Just to make a few points:To add to the above ^ When I\we're under deception in those days, I paid tithe more than once in the past. If I'm to follow Abraham example, he GAVE it once but I PAID it MORE THAN ONCE, help me ask the tithe teachers, CAN IT BE SAID THAT I'M ALSO A TITHER considering the fact I paid more than once but Abraham gave it once? I have asked this question but NO ANSWER TILL DATE. ![]() |
jniran22: Deut.26:13Which of them is commandment and which is principle? |
Gombs: Joshua 13v1In all of those scriptures quoted, God was talking to CHRISTIANS? Please tell us what that means to CHRISTIANS. Christians are to be busy, understanding their own covenant not what was said to Joshua. In Christ, we have a surpassing heritage that Joshua and the rest of them. ![]() |
damosky12: Predestination is a different ball game. That talks more about our salvation in Christ and not finance.Seriously, people of God. I wish I have time to follow and teach this subject again and again UNTIL THE TITHE CAPTIVES ARE SET FREE! However, I will point out few things because of the ^ above statement. I have lived without paying paying tithe for years, I have taught tithing ended in Hebrews 7 and taught Christians to give in their best abilities. I live a lifestyle of giving NOT tithing. I have NEVER experienced CLOSED HEAVENS as against the above statement. Why? Because Jesus' finished work left believers with OPEN HEAVEN. You people who try to DO SOMETHING for God to DO SOMETHING are carnal and under the LAW! Grace is the manifestation of finished works of Christ. We are not doing anything for God to do something UNDER GRACE, we believe it is DONE! When you're trying to tithe in order to open windows of heaven while the last time I checked, since the time of Christ (Matthew 3:16); heaven had been opened and remain opened. Believers are not trying to open heaven by tithing. I have not read anywhere where the heaven that was opened unto Christ became closed again. Stephen ONLY saw the heaven that was already opened, not that the heaven opened again. When people say things like, if you don't tithe, things will be tight for you. Where the heck did they get such statement from? From the bible? What verse of scripture is that? Everything written under the law was written to national Israel and not for Christians. The law (including tithing law) used to lead the people of Israel but the Spirit leads believers in giving. I have not tithed for years, yet, I enjoy open heavens, I have good job. I drive 2013 car. I give to people in need and help family and friends. Tell me, what closed heaven am I operating under? Tell me, which devourer is devouring me and my finances? Malachi is NOT written to Christian but to the thiefing priest and was rebuked - read Malachi from Chapter 1 and see who God was rebuking. Because of the finished works of Christ by His blood and cross, NO CHRISTIAN IS UNDER CLOSED HEAVENS. TITHING ENDED IN HEBREWS 7 AND THE EPISTLES ADMONISHED BELIEVERS TO BE GIVERS AS THEY PURPOSE IN THEIR HEART. THAT'S GRACE GIVING! |
Pastor Kun: Yes it is the pastor's duty. In case you don't know pastor means shepherd, it is the shepherd's duty to take care of the flock and not just milk them. Any pastor that doesn't know this is not worth being called a pastor. Also if you read your bible well, church collections in the early church was always used to take care of the needy in the church. That is the example our pastors ought to follow.I'm Goshen360 and I ENDORSE this message of Truth! Ministry is all about serving people - body, soul and spirit. That's what we saw Christ doing all through scriptures; feeding thousands and enriching them with the word of Grace\truth. Ministry is NOT an opportunity to gather people and collect from them. That's why Christ is the greatest man that lived on this planet earth - he served, he was a servant! Glory to God. |
Tithing is ABOLISHED in the New Testament - Hebrews 7. Read it slowly and with understanding! |
damosky12: Predestination is a different ball game. That talks more about our salvation in Christ and not finance. ![]() |
damosky12: When I say Law, I mean 'rules u must follow to keep your salvation intact, ie: keeping the old testament laws. When I say principles, I mean things you must do to attract God's "special" intervention on specific areas of your life. Ie, Giving is a principle for Recieving, Paying Tithe opens the windows of heaven for your benefits and rebukes devourers for your sake. MALACHY 3:11Hahahahahahahahahahahaha . |
damosky12: The law is different from the principle. Friend, God said "bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse,......if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to recieve it." . My brothers in the faith, Malachi 3:10 isnt written by a Man. God did. Whether you deny it or not. It is God's principle of expanding you. Learn from Abraham (Hebrews 7:2). The issue is "can you trust God to His word?"Is tithe a 'commandment' or 'principle'? What is 'principle' of tithe? Where in scripture did God instructed tithe as 'principle'? |
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