God doesn't leave a Christian or a believer in the finished works of Christ. You're still living in the Old Covenant if you think God leaves a believer, not even when you sin. What father will leave his children at any time?

All these law preachers and keepers don start again ....make we kukuma talk say the rest of the 603 laws also existed in the garden of eden abi?

You don't know the law of MOSES but you want to teach it? Don't you understand the law is ONE IN A PACKAGE? That's why break one you break all. Also, there's NOWHERE IN GENESIS TO REVELATION that the law was categorized into moral, ceremonial and etc....you break one you break all, its a one whole package delivered to Moses.

Yes sin is breaking the law ....THAT'S ONLY IF A LAW IS IN FORCE. Na Bible talk am ooo no be me but you can also sin where there's no law which in the case of eden was disbelief.....WHATSOEVER IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN.

enilove:


Deuteronomy 21:20 KJV
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

For a child to be stubborn and rebellious he is a witch and can die at any time even if the parents can't kill him or don't want him dead.

Rebellion is witchcrafts .

Exodus 20:12 KJV
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

Whether old or new testament , God's commandments still stand and must be obeyed.
Although people may not punishment them according to the Bible , the demons can use this as a ladder to attack them and cut short their lives .

Brother....you're not making sense. You asked me to you where stubborn kids are to be stoned to death and I did...so now what? Go and or teach another do do so whenever their kids disobey.

The truth is YOU ARE CHERY PICKING THE BIBLE WHENEVER IT SUIT OR OKAY FOR YOU

enilove:


Show me where in the Bible that you should stone your children to death whenever they don't listen to you .

The fact that people don't carry out those commandments doesn't mean anyone who dies in those sins will make heaven.

My children don't dishonor me because I brought them up in the way of the Lord and because I want them to live long and I don't want to receive condemnation from God when I die .

Deuteronomy 21vs18-21.

enilove:


What has riches got to do with praying against wickedness of the devils ?

The richest man can be a wizard working for the devil and dedicated to the devil.

For your information , witchcraft is not limited to only Africa as you claimed . It is a universally acknowledged activities of the devil.
It is not Africans that wrote the Bible and instructed witches to be killed .
Are there no witches and wizards in America?

It is the oldest religion set up by the devil after the fall of Adam and Eve.

Exodus 22:18-19 KJV
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. [19] Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

Why don't you ALSO STONE YOUR CHILDREN TO DEATH WHENEVER THEY DON'T LISTEN TO YOU? Isn't that in the law of Moses too....many things in the law of Moses YOU DO today and YOU SHOULD BE STONED TO DEATH TOO....how about that?

These folks always wanting to kill witches and so called wizards does not have the gospel. They only come here to say whatever their G.O teaches just look for one Bible verse to back up their traditions of men that's been handed to them. By their traditions of men, they make the word of God non effective.

Since you've been praying for witches and wizards to die, how many have you seen physically die? Don't tell me it's spiritual death now ooo. How many witches and wizards did the richest and most successful men in the prayed that they die? Only in Africa we keep believing nonsense of witches and wizards doing you....nobody doing you na we dey do ourselves.

Kobojunkie:
Where is frosbel these days?

Wish I can tell where he is ...lol

blueAgent:


The law was existing before mount Sinai.

How did Joseph knew that adueltry was a sin, How did God judge Sodom and Gomorrah if they had no knowledge of what God calls Sin?

Just like I proved in this thread only the knowledge of the law can help one to please God and abstain from Sin.

The psalmist disagree with you that we do not need the law.

Psalms 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.

Psalms 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Psalms 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

Psalms 119:150 They draw nigh that follow after mischief: they are far from thy law.

Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

You're reading Genesis in isolation, study books like Romans or words of Jesus to understand what happened in Genesis. Sin was in the world before the law but sin wasn't imputed because there's no law to charge the sin with. So you can sin without breaking a law.....whatsoever is not of faith is sin too...leave the mosaic law alone sir, it wasn't written to you.

You need the 10 commandments as a Christian? Continue oo and also remember to keep the sabbath because you break the law of sabbath which is one of the 10, you break all.....

Also, you want the 10 commandments to tell you thou shall not commit adultery right? Joseph didn't have thou shall not commit adultery before he flew....etc

One thing I know, the LAW was a schoolmaster UNTIL you come to Christ. 2, The law IS NOT for the righteous man....in christ! You're are a man of the Spirit when you're born again and men of the Spirit don't operate by the thou shall nots they operate by the Spirit.

BassReeves:
You shock I have your number

Na you sabi....call if you have my number naw... I dey wait for you naw....

BassReeves:
You are not just only arguing with yourself, but also being bleating and barking up the wrong tree. Do you want me to call you on your landline right now, huh?

No need sir..
I'm good.

BassReeves:
Where are you going or have gone that you missed road.

The only thing to understand, bro, simply is:
The Old Testament, is the New Testament concealed, and The New Testament, is the Old Testament revealed.

Meaning, as you read the NT, you get to realise that OT concealed the NT, and that the NT reveals the OT when and where the OT concealed the NT

Rip out OT, mind you, not 'rip out the NT from the bible'

Luke 2:21-35
'21When the eight days until His circumcision had passed,
He was named Jesus, the name the angel had given Him before He had been conceived.
22And when the time of purification according to the Law of Moses was complete,
His parents brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord
23(as it is written in the Law of the Lord: “Every firstborn male shall be consecrated to the Lord”
24and to offer the sacrifice specified in the Law of the Lord:
“A pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons.”
25Now there was a man in Jerusalem named Simeon, who was righteous and devout.
He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.
26The Holy Spirit had revealed to him that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.
27Led by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts.
And when the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for Him what was customary under the Law,
28Simeon took Him in his arms and blessed God, saying:
29“Sovereign Lord, as You have promised,
You now dismiss Your servant in peace.
30For my eyes have seen Your salvation,
31which You have prepared in the sight of all people,
32a light for revelation to the Gentiles,
and for glory to Your people Israel.”
33The Child’s father and mother were amazed at what was spoken about Him.
34Then Simeon blessed them and said to His mother Mary:
“Behold, this Child is appointed to cause
the rise and fall of many in Israel,
and to be a sign that will be spoken against,
35so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed—
and a sword will pierce your soul as well.”'


I feel your assimilation struggle, I sincerely do. Nothing like 'to conceal', as if really hiding anything for real then Psalm 25:14 and Amos 3:7 wouldnt have happened to Simeon

Show me where I've specifically or directly advised you or anyone other poster of such

Who the f is talking about doggone rituals in OT. I knew you were confused and so wasting energy arguing over nothing

I'm done talking to you brother. Again, when you get there you will understand. I really don't have energy to argue with people like you on this forum....so I leave you in the hands of the Spirit of truth to teach you. I tried....

BassReeves:
You just now are using words verbatim, unlike earlier when you quote mining using my own words out of context and made it present a point of view that isn't compatible with the original quote

If its truth and you agree with it, then leave as the words as they are and stop reading more into them than whats intended


I tell what Goshen360, why don't you just rip out the whole of the Old Testament then, and don't ever from this point on, any further read it, any further make reference to any verse in it, don't do retrospective reading of it.

When you get there you will understand. Nobody is going to rip out the NT from the bible...its there for a reason... To CONCEAL christ and his finished works. Today, Christ and the Apostles already REVEALED what was concealed in the OT....What shall we then do? Go back to the Old or continue from what was revealed?

Christ and Hid finished with is NOW REVEALED in the NT....we continue in that which is revealed. I have no energy to continue telling you same thing over and over again. There're things like rituals in the OT which we don't do today as Christians....those things are Christ concealed in his finished works so now that Christ fulfilled those rituals, its already and now revealed in the NT...what are you going back to do with those rituals? We're not of them that draw back!

BassReeves:
The Old Testament, is the New Testament concealed, and The New Testament, is the Old Testament revealed, and not your 'If the old is the new revealed, and its NOW revealed' quote mining version, that mangled up beyond recognition what I original typed

When you adhere to the two royal laws, it takes care of every other law in Old Testament, hence why the NT is the OT revealed

Going back what particularly in the Old to pick are you talking of?

This is a dumbarse question. No offence intended

I'm using your own words which is:

The Old Testament, is the New Testament concealed, and The New Testament, is the Old Testament revealed.

Your words above is truth and I agree with it. The point now is, SINCE THE NEW TESTAMENT ALREADY REAVEALED THE OLD TESTAMENT.....what are you still going back to the old testament to do or to pick....this old testament is NOW OR ALREADY REVEALED in the new testament?

Did you forget something or anything in the old? If you like call it dumbarse question it doesn't offend me....the intent was, since the NT already revealed what was hidden in the OT, you're to continue in the REVEALED knowledge not going back to the CONCEALED knowledge. The REVEALED was already done by the Apostles which formed the Apostles teaching or doctrines for us, the church of God in Christ.

BassReeves:
Look my guy, fyi, the genesis and actions or steps taken in order to achieve all that made the church be founded on Christ and the Apostles teaching, Christ being the cornerstone developed from a series of Old Testament backdrops, so its biblically incorrect, to say, a Christian doctrine can't be taken from the Old Testament.

It took God, a long-suffering 4000 years, for the first gospel (i.e. the protoevangelium in Genesis 3:15) that the church is basking in glory of,to be fulfilled in the NT. Jesus Christ, in John 8:56 made mention that Old Testament Abraham, saying: 'Abraham [greatly] rejoiced to see My day (My incarnation). He saw it and was delighted.”' and in Matthew 13:17, about Old Testament prophets and righteous men said: 'many prophets and righteous men [who were honorable and in right standing with God] longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it' so how you mean then that a Christian that rightly divides the word of truth can not take a Christian doctrine from the old testament. Of course, you can, so far they complement each other, especially as shared above, when the Old Testament laid the foundation for the teachings and events found in the New Testament.

The Old Testament, is the New Testament concealed, and The New Testament, is the Old Testament revealed. Two peas in a pod, twingenuity or twinning

If the old is the new revealed, and its NOW revealed what then are you going back to the old to pick? Did you forget anything in the old?

Grace of God is Christ personified, not a curriculum and by extension everything that Christ had done for us in His finished works.

We can then explore the above and what we then see through scriptures are: everything God had done for us through Christ, this is what the Grace is God is.

Unfortunately I can't participate much in this discussion because of my busyness and also there're so much mixtures from left and right within the discussions which I cant mention everything in this post but ....

Look guys, a Christian that rightly divides the word of truth can not take a Christian doctrine from the old testament. Why, the church was founded on Christ and the Apostles teaching, Christ being the cornerstone.

I pray the Lord give us all deeper understanding and the eyes of our word understanding be opened to the revelation of God's word.

You yourself don't understand the Grace of God.

Mariangeles:
Just so we're clear about this, the bible says " for if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin..." Heb 10:26

Let's not abuse the Spirit of grace...

What sin is not wilful? If someone steals or kills, does he or she just jump into the act? Does that mean the sacrifice of Christ doesn't cover those kinds of sins? Bottom line, that's not what that verse is saying IN CONTEXT.

Kobojunkie:
i am sorry ...What?

In GENESIS 26 vs 1=4, Abraham was declared righteous by God because he, Abraham obeyed the command , rules and laws that God gave Him, meaning that It is through the Law that righteousness is defined. so what are you saying here?

Jesus Christ declared that only those who accept(trust) and obey His teachings/commandments will become Sons of God, again meaning that it is through submission to the obedience of the Law, Jesus Christ, that those who believe in Him are justified/made righteous.

But here you are suggesting that the Law is not meant for the righteous even though the righteous are justified,on a continual basis mind you, by their obedience of the Law, according to God?

Try to RIGHTLY DIVIDE the word of truth....you're mixing too many things together.

OkCornel:


Mosaic Laws, particularly the purity and sacrificial laws, and some other funny instructions like that.

For example, you can’t claim to be a follower of Christ and go around raping, stealing or killing because we are not under the “law”

I think what needs clarity here is what law means in this context.

Even the new covenant or testament or law or is a law itself. I’ll prefer to call it the law of Christ.

You don't need the law to tell u raping, killing, stealing etc is wrong or bad, YOU NEED THE SPIRIT OF GOD to instruct you of right and wrong. BEFORE the law in genesis, wrong was never right, so the law wasn't God's goal for believers, God's goal is the indwelling of the SPIRIT to led us not the law telling us right or wrong.

Well done Ken4Christ....

The law is not meant for the righteous 1 Timothy 1vs9

Are we righteous in Christ? Absolutely YES!

enilove:


I have a question for you .

The law says , '' thou shall not kill '' .
Is this abolished ?

BEFORE...thought shall not kill, killing was never right. Before thou shall not commit adultery or fornication...ask Joseph he refused to sleep with his boss wife...when then is the purpose of the law if the thou shall not wasn't right before the law....you want to take us back to the law....olorun o je ooo

enilove:
Jesus made it cleared to us that we christians which are under the grace are expected to obey the laws given by God to Moses :

Matthew 5:17 KJV
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For example , are we not to obey this laws ?

Leviticus 19:26-28 KJV
Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times. [27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.

You're confused....get the word study....okay

SweetVibe:
This question goes to our Nigerian hypocritical and dillusion religious brethren.

How come Dangote is the wealthiest Black man despite the fact it was just discovered he was commiting Adultery/Fornication with a foreign lady from America.
I thought by now those sins Dangote committed would have destroyed him and made him poor by now, seems the opposite is the case.

You religious brainwashed fellas should better go and hustle to be successful instead of deceiving yourself by calling sin the cause of your poverty. If sin is the cause of poverty then I expect all our politician and rich business men to have become poor because they sin alot.
RELIGION IS A DISEASE

Watch your mouth how you call people names. All Christians in Nigeria and worldwide doesn't teach and believed what you accused them about. Be mature in how you treat and handle issues on a discussion forum like this.

You may have heard wrong teaching that sin is the cause of poverty, sickness etc but we all swallowed such teaching in the past, if you know better you act better....okay

MuttleyLaff:
Smh sigh. Some things are better off let unsaid.
To think this man is in the same league of Adeboye, Oyedepo, Olukoya et al. Well I am not surprised by his biblical gaffe sha.

I don't understand why he couldn't have made an in person visit and call on the lecturer to the warn to him off and also witness to him to see the evil of his ways and repent from it

Many of them, these so called fathers of faith or whatever they're called, I used to respect them as a young Christian back in those days when I didn't know better. I lost respect for many of them and can't even sit to listen to them anymore for some spiritual food and Wale Oke used to be one of them back in those days, he normally comes to minister at The Communion Church by Festac 2nd gate there around Amuwo Odofin where I grew up.

Today, when I listen to what comes out of the mouth of these men, I'm like....wow! What happened to these men? I taught they're suppose to be growing in the word. Apparently, they're still serving tables which supposing we used to think it's the right word back.

My prayer for them...if they will give themselves to the Spirit of God is that, their eyes of understanding be opened and flooded with the light of the gospel of Christ. (Amen)

Rubbish testimony �

asids55:


Hello bro please i saw your post on truck driving,please is there a way i can reach out to you..pls

Email me

goshen360 at yahoo.co.uk

nelsonoba:


Has 20th January arrived? Are you aware the constitution affords the President some emergency powers he can invoke to deal with what is happening now if he chooses to?? Oh! CNN didn't tell you that right? Maybe you should ask yourself why they are now trying to hurriedly impeach a President that has only 11days left in office

WHERE ARE THE ENEMIES OF THE STATES? 20th has come and gone....now what? You have another lies to patch the ones you've been lying?

hoopernikao:


Bro, have you examined the scriptures you quoted properly? Paul never used "Let ANOTHER interpret". The word there is "Let ONE interpret".

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

Please examine it well.
In all mention of interpret in 1 Cor 14, Paul said the "he"that is, the one who spoke in tongues to interpret.

Vs 5, he, the one who spoke in tongues should interpret.

V 13, he, the one who spoke in tongues should pray to interpret.

Vs 27 is not different.

I want you to examine that again.

That suffices in the situation when the one who speaks is ALSO endured with gift of interpretation, otherwise LET HIM PRAY THAT SAME HE MAY INTERPRET.

This is should line up with 1 Cor 12v10, to ANOTHER is given interpretation of tongues. So the one who speaks may or may not be the same who interpret.

Btw, how does ANOTHER OR ANYONE interpret when or if what is spoken is not understood by a man? 1 cor 14v2

hoopernikao:



Please back off and retrace your steps....you may have been taught wrongly about tongues....I was once like u but im not ashamed to come out and see i was wrong.

Btw, let me ask you something that might set u free from false teaching of tongues.....

How the one who interpret tongues know what to interpret when the interpreter himself doesn't understand the language or tongues?

Bros, Compliment of the season. Trust you and yours are abounding more and more in God's goodness. It's been a while.

As per your statement, Notice Paul never taught interpretation of tongues as a third party thing but to be done by the same one who spoke in tongues. All through 1 Cor 14, interpretation is for the speaker of tongues Paul did the same (spoke and interprete)

Likewise interpretation of tongues was taught in epistles as part of the gift in the spirit, hence the previous knowledge of the interpreter will be irrelevant as we aren't talking about human language which is done through learning process.

At the bold above, that's false sir.

It say....when you gather to fellowship, let one speak (in tongues) and ANOTHER interpret. The text doesn't suggest only the speaker can interpret, let ANOTHER interpret.

b. It also says, to one is given the gift of tongues and TO ANOTHER, the interpretation of tongues. Again, it doesn't suggest same speaker should interpret.

Just my little cents!