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i want to ask JWs a question. Do you know that baptism and the 'evening meal' as you call it, were first practiced by the pegans long before jesus was born? But you dont see it as a 'pegan' practice. You dont see it as a copied ritual from peganism

the idea that christmas has 'pegan origin' as spread by JWs is absolute falsehood and this has to be debunked! Bring your evidence to show that the pegans celebrated the SOLEMNITY of the BIRTH OF JESUS. These are people how did not even know jesus so tell me how the solemnity of jesus' birth has pegan root.

The birth of jesus is recorded in the bible and we cant deny it. The only thing early christians did is to take a divine revelation of great and profound truth in xmas, and put it in place of the worship of a sun god as peganism was being kicked out of rome.

when people say the birth of jesus is not in the bible i just laugh. But we know what is recorded in luke 1 and 2. Xmas has no pegan origin. Are we saying the birth of jesus is a pegan thing? Or is it becos of the day most people celebrate it? Ok, what about those christians especially coptics and eastern orthodox that celebrate theirs in january? What wrong with replacing a pegan practice with christian revelation,xmas

you can join reedeemed, christembassy, and you can join st dominic catholic church. The catholic church is a bible believeing and this year in the catholic church is year of faith. The year before, is year of priests. Thats not prosperity

omiobo: I value crossover night because I need to be in the midst of God's people to exalt His name for all the marvelous works he has done for me. It is not a crime for such day to be set aside for the worshipers of God to reflect on what God has done for them throughout the year,and to thank Him for mercy and grace to witness new year.

i agree it is not a crime to set aside a day to worship. So i believe you are not going to have a problem with "settting aside a day" to celebrate the SOLEMNITY OF THE NATIVITY OF THE LORD aka xmas. Yet, pentecostal especially do not go to church on xmas day. What makes me doubt their xtianityis that they rate new year higher than xmas. They do this even though xmas has every thing to do with christianity and ew year has nothing to do with christianity.

had it been we do not use he gregorian calendar, we will not be celebrating any new years day today. The new year has no significance in divine revelation. Sadly, i do hear some christians say new year is better than chrismas! These christians obviously know nothing about divine revelation.

i followed the story from when it was reported that she and her male friend were abused in the bus. I was just hoping she got better. But she died 11:30pm on friday nigerian time

is your country investing in SA also? What are the implications both good and bad (if there is a bad)?

i think the op is a bit bias. You find other people hit catholics so hard in other anti catholic thread. If you do not see such words from anti catholics to catholics to be on the par with the strong words catolics use on non catholics, then its becos you are on the side of non catholics. But i tell you they are equally offensive!

For crying out loud, you just saw what @dekung put up there! And what the other person (cant remember his name now) put up there in page 0.

The way some catholics respond is not different from the way JW, christ embassy, winners, deeperlife respond when a controversial issue that is perculiar to their church is being raised here on NL. I am currently on a thread in religion section here and truth is light was very aggressive toward me with his first reply to my post. And the reason is i brought up some ills that take place in his congregation...things that are covered up by the authority of his watch tower organization

bottom line is, you hear nasty comments from catholics to non catholics just as you hear equally nasty comments from non catholics to catholics. Do we say every church should have their sections?

truthislight: if you dont say RCC wrote the bible then i have no issue there with you.

Like you have rightly stated, i complained about the notion that RCC wrote the bible.
Peace

but do you agree with the RCC when they say they COMPILED the bible? Answer with a yes or no. I understand that sometimes, yes or no do not answer questions at least, not satisfactorily. But if you want to answer with any other word or words, then dont beat about the bush. Let your intention be plain.

@truth, i want you to reply this particular post. An honest answer is what i need and will be most apreciated.

When you hear "catholic church" whats the first thing that comes to your mind as a JW. Apart from the negativities we see in your publications about the catholic church, what else do you know about them?

@truth and egoho, i am not catholic. i am a christian who attended catholic sec school. I dont agree with all what they say, not their core teaching though. I understand why they believe what they believe and even though they do not form my daily creed, i have no problems with them. @truth, if you have anything to say, say it and dont go about using strong words like those ones you used when you addressed me.

truthislight: my argument is that the belief in God goes beyond christian religion.

But most christians tuned atheist because they get disilusion by a certain statement that the books of the Bible was written by Roman catholic church which is false.

This notion is very dengeruose

you said "most cristians turned atheist because of statements like RCC wrote the bible" well to begin with, tell me how the idea that catholics WROTE the bible, as you say, can make people atheist? Secondly, catholics or the RCC have never at any point in time claimed they wrote the bible. They only say that they, UNDER THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, COMPILED the bible and decided which book is to be in the NT and which isnt to be there. Thats a fact of history you cannot change even though you wished it werent true.

agbaje, i think the hebrew words translated into hell, lake of fire, land of the dead, underworld etc should be taken into consideration for a better understanding of what will happen to the unjust. Those greek and hebrew words are: gehena, shoal, hades, tatrus. I am not sure their spellings.

@egoho, i also forgot to mention one of the acheivements of the catholic church. Since you said you know about their atrocities.

If the bible wasnt destroyed in the past, then it is becos of catholic monks who took their time to reproduce the holy book and make it availiable to subsequent christian generations. Remember, at that time, there was no printing press. So reproduction of the bible was done mannually. Give kudos to those monks. Thay did a job that is not simple at all. Copying the bible by hand? You cannot be serious.

Talking about scandals and i also believe this makes people become athiest.

"The historical changes of Watchtower doctrine and its current inadequacies are an excellent indication that the Governing Body are not directed by Holy Spirit. However, manyfollowers do not manifest a scholarly nature and are ambivilous to the issues of doctrine, or simply dismiss it as foretold by " brighter light ".
In such cases, Doctrine is not the way to open the Witness mind's eye. Particularly where the follower holds the Governing Bodyin high esteem, to learn of indiscretion can be a shocking awakening. This is especially so when it is in areas where the Watchtower is outspokenly critical of other religious organizations. The areas listed here are considered particularly important by active Jehovah's Witnesses and becoming aware of the duplicity shown by the leadership has been instrumental in many followers leaving since the late 1990's.
Bulgaria & Blood Transfusions
In order to gain legal recognition in Bulgaria during the 1990's, the Watchtower changed its policy on military service in 1996. It also signed a document before the European Commission on Human Rights, deceptively stating it does not sanction followers for taking blood transfusions.
Letter to Hitler
Jehovah's Witnesses suffered terribly at the hands of the Nazi's in concentration camps. The reason they were there related to the thevitriolic tirade Rutherford directed against governments and the Catholic Church. What isdisturbing is a letter sent from the Watchtower branch to Hitler asking for leniency on the basis that the Watchtower shared the principles of the German government and Hitler's feelings towards the Jews.
Malawi vs Mexico
This article covers one of the great blights on the history of Watchtower. Illogical doctrine prevented Malawian Witnesses from holding a political card, which led to the unnecessary torture and death of thousands. During the very same period of time, contradictory principles allowed Mexican Witnesses to break the law in order to obtain military service cards.
Paedophilia
The Watchtower openly criticises the Catholic Church for the scandal it faces with paedophilia, when they have been facing verysimilar issues internally. Arcane Watchtower principles that protected Witness paedophileshave resulted in the Watchtower Society paying millions of dollars in compensation claims.
Political Involvement
The Watchtower applies a different set of principles for the Organisation than its followers. Witnesses have suffered abuse for decades due to Watchtower doctrine forcing them to remain politically neutral. Yet the organisation does not follow the same set of standards, being an active participant in political rallying, and the world's commercial and the legal systems.
United Nations NGO
During the 1990's, the Watchtower applied tobe an Non-Governmental Organisation associate member of the United Nations. Thisstands in direct contravention of it's principles against political involvement and descriptions of the United Nations as the Scarlet Coloured Beast of Revelation. It only withdrew membership once caught and publicly shamed by the Guardian newspaper".

edogho: i'm on this thread and did you just tag me an atheist? Look around you and mention one clergy that is totally clean and i'll tell you his hypocritic acts. And differentiate the mentioned clergy from the pharisees in jesus's time. They are all frauds and they contribute to many people going out of God's organisation. I know of a fraudster prophet who played his deacons and ran away with their money. Don't tell me such stories,i was once a catholic and i know a lot about their atrocities.

you know about catholic artrocities? I also wonder if you know of their succeses in giving man some dignity? Because of the catholic church, many people around the world have access to basic health care, many people who otherwise wouldnt get good education now have access to good education. If not for catholicism, europe's intellectuall culture and properties, including the bible, which has been passed down to us in africa, would have been completely lost! The only thing your organization do is ro go about with your bags under your armpit and passing round some leaflets, spreading propaganda and trying to destroy what has been 'rooted, built up in christ firm in faith'

@Egoho, you said i should show you a clergy who is TOTALLY clean and you will tell me his hypocritic acts? You just listen to that statement and tell me nothing is wrong with it! Do you honestly think what you have said is christian?

The fact that you are asking for a TORALLY clean clergy shows you have missed it already. You know next to nothing about the christian faith. Jesus did not come to make anybody sin free. He knows it will be a waste of time and thats why he gave us his own righteousness so that with it we can do that which ordinarily we are not able to do. You talk like you yourself are completely clean.

But i can tell you clergy who have been put right with god through faith in jesus and are doing great things in the lord's vineyard much more than you will ever do. They are: john paul II and benedict XVI.

there are other people who turned athiests after witnessing their elders make several changes in doctrine over a period of time. I do not blame them anyway becos anyone will definitely become deluded and begin to think 'maybe all what these elders tell us are made up'. So many faith threatning questions come into their mind and they eventually loose thje faith. What a pity!

op, i also know someone who became athiest just becos his organization predicted that something will happen sometime ago in the 70s and it did not come to pass! He said god is a liar just becos what his elders said god has said, did not happen. I know another one who just abandoned christianity becos he was disfellowshiped just becos he married someone of another faith. And they treated him like trash even though he was one of the most devoted members.

[quote author=val_dee]Listen Sis,

We value children more than anything.

The man wanted to get you pregnant and you refused.

Believe me if you had gotten pregnant for him, he would have married you.

That singular act of refusal pushed him away from you.

Methinks I know this doctor in question.[/quote]this is nonsense

@otocks, it is not becos of life expectancy. Its becos of cultural norms and values. Normally in nigeria, ladies in their early 20s or even in their teens are already looking forward to getting married. So when they are into someone, and the person is not showing any interest in marriage, she will just call it a quit and even if she still wants to continue, she will be pressured by family and friends to end it.

But to be honest i dont know where women got that idea from! That when you keep a guy waiting for so long, the guy respects you more! How is cheating on a woman show respect for that woman? Most guys with GFs today did not get their girls 'too easy'. And yet, they cheat on them. So whats the essence of the 'hard to get'?

I think the reason some men dont do it is that: it reduces their sense of self worth. When you go after a woman for so long and she says no, you begin to feel 'am i the only one who should want her? She should also want me as well!' some men in this case are like cars brought out off the show room. The more you use it, the more it depreciates in value. The more he comes after you and you turn him down, the more he looses his sense of self worth like i explained earlier. So to save the little self respect he still has for himself, he has to stop. And as he stops, he feels it come back to him. My 2 kobo

i am sure you have googled Agbani Darego and you now know who she is. but who she is something that makes you by far inferior and bursts your 'i am better than you' bubble. Thats why you have refused to say anything about her after googling her.

And i ask you again. Have you ever met the fulanis?

@ify. What exactly do you mean when you said he should be a man? Do you mean he should become a general in his house? If he becomes a general in his house, your likes would be the first to label him a demon.

The reason why men find it difficult to hold back when abused by women is becos of the likes of you(mostly women) who would see him as weak. Seriously, women like you have to define clearly what you want from your man. The 'he should be a man' is vague and until you stop seeing men who hold back as weak, men will continue to find it difficult to hold back

ifyalways: My personal opinion is that any man that is being abused by the wife or GF has himself to blame.

A man is the head of the home, he should be able to control and lead in his home. If he falls short or for any reason fails not to live up to that, that's his own wahala.

Btw, I think abused men can't even speak out. They'll get so mocked and laughed at.

do you know what outcry you would cause among feminists if a man wrote what you just wrote and put women in place of men in your post?

who told you that europe is the one funding the AU. African countries are the ones financing their organization. The biggest contributors are Nigeria, SA, libya and algeria.

have you ever seen a fulani in your life? If you have, you would not see your self so special. It not like you are not black. You are black and thats your race. There is nothing you can do about it. Deny alll you can but a leopard cannot change the spot on its body. I want you to google the name Agbani Darego and tell me things about her

we always talk about women being abused by their husbands. But lets talk about a far less talked about topic.

Do you know of families where the woman is the abuser? Do you see the men as weak? do you sympathyze with them or do you laugh at them like most people do?

There is this case i know of. People laugh at the man and that pains me so much. If it were a woman that is being abused by her husband, people will throw all sort of insults at the man but i cannot understand it when they dont do the same if it was the other way round!

Are you a man that has experienced abuse of all kinds at the hands of your wife? Tell us about your experiences. Only you know what your likes are passing through since research has not really being done into it.

there is this talk about men beating women being an attempt to control the woman. But what about women who beat up men? Is it also about the control thing? Is there any research done by psycologists, sociologists and activists in this area?

plendil: did you read his post at all? where did he say it's 'normal' to beat one's wife? How could any sane man born of a woman describe such barbaric habit as normal? The summary is that a perpetually nagging wife with poor buccal cavity control or a serial wife beater both have issues requiring attention. Both are wrong and unacceptable.

We run into trouble when we start trying to justify such idoitic behaviors from females: "that I nag and insult him does not give him any right to physically retaliate'' REALLY?? Why on earth would any sane woman, knowing that an unbridled tongue can cause problems for her still chose to give her mouth a free rein? Isn't that like a man arguing with another man holding a gun? Is that not insanity?

If you feel its not your fault that you have a sharp mouth, then its not the husband's fault that he is unable to control himself when provoked. Is as simple as that.

the bottom line is, neither should be condoned because neither is acceptable.

if i had a daughter, i would encourage her to marry you. Every thing you said is on point