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Dhilariousdandy:
I came across this pix on Facebook. And you really have to see it..

Weah96:
Winner01 and kingebukasblog

Come and see the power behind the name Jesus. How would you describe the mental state of this man's congregation and the cause behind that condition?

ypeace:
The reason you gave for asking your question is not enough reason for me to answer you. My answer will be based on too many assumptions like: I will assume the 'claim'. I will assume you believe those claims.

It will be better if the premises is what you yourself understand and can stand to defend not what thousands of others claim.

ypeace:
Islam is practised based on what is clear and with evidence. AND one of the thing that is clear is that man will never understand everything.

Your question will lead to paradox - hanging on assumptions that are not established in Islam.
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The question about sin assumes that sin is a creation not an action.

Your last question assumes that I can answer why God does something he didn't tell us why.

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Sometimes paradox doesn't mean the two contrading things are wrong. They sometimes occur as a result of wrong assumptions or lack of complete knowledge. Eg, Two lights travelling at the speed of light will approach one another at the speed of light. This will be a paradox if you lack knowledge of the theory of relativity. Theory of relatively also causes some paradox in quantum physics (eg EPR theory).

Islam believe there is unseen and we do not have knowledge about the unseen except the one that has been revealed to us.

If you do not understand my point, perhaps, Allah will guide you to someone who will make it understandable to you.

4everGod:
Thank you for the goal shifting and the cop out. Thanks for underatanding that I understood.

donnffd:
Yea, its just fruitless engaging with some of these peeps...

4everGod:
oh yes really. In your attempt to sound intelligent you tried too hard...thereby making submissions that were unfounded and not requested by the OP...a clear indicator that you borrowed from here and there just to respond.

like I said before...I forgive your goal shifting first attempt so give it another try and this time stick to the topic.

kevoh:
For your effort in tackling an overflogged topic
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KingEbukasBlog:
A gallimaufry of non sequiturs - if such exists then your comment is a good example .

felixomor1:
Sorry, u r not making any point.

If u disobey laws u pay for it. And the judge administers the punishment.

U didnt make any point by listing the laws.
Sorry!

ypeace:
The tense (create) used is wrong. Allah allowed us to sin. The reason why? Only He has the full knowledge of that.

I think you know it is Islamic that Human knowledge is limited?

Allah creates everything...... I agree with this.

Allah NEED to love everything he created: I do not have evidence for or against this.

Atheism as we know it is a lack of belief in God, gods or higher spiritual powers which in essence makes Atheism all about the now and the physical world.

In other words anything that touches or tries to include the spiritual realm is a taboo to an atheist or at least it should be for a true sworn atheist.

Here on Nairaland we see a lot of young Atheistd who claim to be sworn atheists and go to all lenghts to band together and force their assumption of being atheists down everyones throats including bashing, name calling, giving God the middle finger and all...

However is atheism only theoretical and not really practical? Is Atheism all about blowing hot air with nothing to physically show for it? Is Atheism all about rants online and offline but no actual physical demonstration of these rants as proof for their position?

I personally see Atheism or Atheists be they young or old as a bunch of kids who just want to goof around but when push comes to shove they run back into their shells.

Its a Known fact that a lot of Countries world wide have their constitutions built and influenced by either Religion or Christianity or even Islam.....

124 out of the 196 countries worldwide have their constitutions built and influenced by Religion or Christianity or islam..The remaining countries have an open ended constitution but with mixtures of Religious influence in it.

Now if atheists abhor religion and all it represents which as a root is derived from God or gods or spiritual powers, Why then do Atheists live by the moral laws of these countries with Christian or Religious or Islamic constitutions?

You say you do not believe or recognize God, gods or spiritual powers yet you obey the moral laws derived from these influences. Is that not hypocrisy? Is that not falsehood?

I expected to see Atheists rebelling against moral laws which are God based and resisting authority afterall you do not recognize its source so must be exempted from such laws.

Is it the fear of the fallout of disobedience to these moral laws that forces an atheist to obey them or are they just pretentious Atheists with no spine and like I said all theory but no practical?

Pls I would like my Atheist brotherhood here on Nairaland to give me their reason and pls no insults ....just simple clear points...

felixomor1:
What I can deduce from this write up is that if the judge of a supreme court sentences a convict to death for example, the judge becomes a murderer?

The way people are reasoning nowwdays sha..
I can only but wonder where the world is going.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)


2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:

Kill Brats
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

God Kills the Curious
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

Killed by a Lion
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

Killing the Good Samaritan
The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)


3) Murdering Children

Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

God Will Kill Children
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

Source: http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Sweetguy25:
Even if GEJ were an idiot, I'd prefer him over Buhari.

Keballl:
Buhari is worse than anything mentionable.

Sweetguy25:
GEJ was and is better president, leader and person than Buhari.

Pavore9:
Many regard owning an iphone as the real deal but the boss of Apple is boldly GAY! Likewise PayPal co-founder, Facebook co-founder, the duo behind fashion power house Dolce & Gabbana etc. Sometimes one ignores some things and move on, focusing on his journey with his Creator.

Firmlogger:
Alright .. This is not Fiverr .. This is Nairaland.
So I know very well I created quality for these bloggers 'ere. Buh sending them Links too .. That's a waste of time.. I don't even care to know the name of the site,where the backlinks are coming from.. They'll all find out when they use a legible online backlinks tool checker or Semrush..

Firmlogger:
wah I do is to create quality backlinks ..
So wah do you mean by sending you links

And their are some blogs before you,so it takes time

Firmlogger:
If You Wish

Pavore9:
Exactly, l just wanted us to have a balance view of wrong. l work with people who are even asexual neither heterosexual nor homosexual these ones have no sexual orientation but l have gained so much intellectually from them, knowledge that will transform the economy of communities back home in Nigeria that will tag these persons as abnormal.

ypeace:
since Allah created everything, it equates that it MUST love everything? lol, creating the rules by which Allah works right.


I didn't answer the last one because I want to us finish the one we started.

ypeace:
Your first statement, what's your Islam reference that Allah is all loving?

According to Islam, did Allah create sin/evil? If no, what is the source of sin?

Pavore9:
I quoted the Bible not my personal essay. Any Nigerian is free to hunt and kill homosexuals but l also know the perpetrator will spend time in prison whether the Bible commanded it or not!

Take note, l never justified homosexuality rather l pander towards reformation because if l have a relative who is homosexual l will not kill him or her as it will not in any way lessen my own transgression before God.

ypeace:
You are using non Islamic definitions for Allah's love and forgiveness.

Allah does not love the transgressors for example.

(All forgiving) oft forgiven : no matter the magnitude of the sin, if the sinner repents (according to how Allah states it), the sin would be forgiven.


Understanding the Attributes of Allah is part of what is taught in Tawheed in Islam. the definition you gave to Gofuurun (oft forgiven) as all forgiven is wrong islamically.

Sweetguy25:
The guy who opened is now a wailer. I saw him complaining bitterly about Buhari's government on another thread.

When we were warning them against voting for an idiot. they didn't listen

Pavore9:
Like l stated earlier, It is against God and nature. At times, humans needs to be shamed for them to have a rethink of lifestyle. The thread topic stated she may get suicidal and the poster l quoted first was of the view she kills herself...how does her suicide enrich my humanity?

Even if God did not bat an eye on Lot's incestuous relationship, is it today not an abomination to us?

She did wrong, she should be supported through the right path. With a contrite heart, these verses should be her compass.

10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

-John 8:10-11

Pavore9:
How do we know if she has not gone down on her knees before God since the incident? She is no worse than anyone who is heterosexual but promiscuous!

Is her transgression worse before God than the young man out there who is fornicating with different women or the lady sleeping with different men not to talk of married men and women who are deep into adultery despite their vows before God? That people sin differently makes them no better than others.

ypeace:
What are your references for 1 and 2.

Funny, how you set rules and want Allah to play by them.

hopefulLandlord:
they also believe a Jew who died in a small village in far away Israel died for their sins

meanwhile, almost all Jews didn't believe that

its like Americans saying Murtala Mohammed died for their sins while we (Nigerians who saw him die) laugh at them