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SonOfEl:
okay then, ( let me follow your line of thinking), go and steal, go and commit murder, keep lying everyday, after all, let's not define it as sin, let's call it survival antics.

That will be unwise. I don't need to believe in god to know right from wrong. Belief in god has never and will never be a basis of morality. In case you don't know, before the "existence" of Jesus Christ, there were already wise men who spread messages of forgiveness, tolerance and other good things. Other parts of the world that didn't know about Yahweh or Jesus all had their own laid down laws and were already living in organised societies.

God is as useless as the ueue in queue.

SonOfEl:
is that the only scripture you hold on to? stop being incorrigible. you just want to be vindictive. simple.

Shuo!

I got that verse from the bible. Defend it if you can.

[size=32pt]Isaiah 45:7

KJV: I formed the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the lord do all this things.[/size]

Just agree with the scripture that your god is evil and we can move on. For now, we are both stuck at this verse

SonOfEl:
perhaps GOD should withdraw freewill from all his creatures so we can all be like robots then.

God shouldn't have created sin. Apparently, he was too dumb to know what sin would cause and therefore he has chosen to punish us for his incompetence.

Makes sense

SonOfEl:
you can't say you are good because you do things that are good. a rapist could be a generous giver, a humble guy could also be vindictive... WE ALL HAVE OUR DARK AND TWISTED SIDES (which could be seen or subtly veiled) so no one is actually good in its proper sense.

but God is GOOD, and goodness can only come from him ALONE.

[size=32pt]Isaiah 45:7

KJV: I formed the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the lord do all this things.[/size]

SonOfEl:
you are not been sincere at all, YOU KNOW THAT.

That verse is in the bible. I didn't just come up with it

there is NO EVIL in GOD, but because Satan bore evil, God took responsibility for satan's freewill against 'all that is good' (God himself). thus God created Satan ( an epitome of what is known as evil), God created 'evil'.

Read the verse again:

Isaiah 45:7

KJV: I formed the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the lord do all this things.

his love and loyalty to God was tested and found wanting.

just as a childs faithfulness and loyalty is tested through his/her freewill to make some decisions by his/her parent, SO IT IS TOO BETWEEN THE CREATOR AND HIS HIGHEST CREATURES (angels and mankind)

God created evil. Satan is only a victim

SonOfEl:
not loving him means not loving all that is good and embracing evil. YES, God will punish evil.

But, there are many people who don't embrace god but are good. What is his reason for punishing them?

SonOfEl:
I think you need to balance these scripture.

Ezekiel 28:15

New International Version
You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you

Who created wickedness? God

Ezekiel 14:2-5

2And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 3“Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts and have put right before their faces the stumbling block of their iniquity. Should I be consulted by them at all? 4“Therefore speak to them and tell them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Any man of the house of Israel who sets up his idols in his heart, puts right before his face the stumbling block of his iniquity, and then comes to the prophet, I the LORD will be brought to give him an answer in the matter in view of the multitude of his idols, 5in order to lay hold of the hearts of the house of Israel who are estranged from Me through all their idols.”’

Leviticus 20:26

New International Version
You are to be holy to me because I, the LORD, am holy, and I have set you apart from the nations to be my own.

1 john 1:5

New International Version
This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

James 1:13-15

13Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. 14But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

Isaiah 45:7

KJV: I formed the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the lord do all this things.

Apparently, this verse nullifies all the verses you put up there. As far as I can see, it is well balanced.

SonOfEl:
you don't feel this kind of love because you simply DONT KNOW IT. its agape love, a God kind of love. and what you don't know, you don't understand. The love you feel is human, but the God kind of love is perfect, unbiased, and pure. other kinds of love are mere subsidiaries of the agape love that comes from God.

You claim god's love is pure but he will punish those who don't love him back. Balances?

SonOfEl:
....coming from a mind that lacks spirituality.... I understand your ignorance.

Ignorance?

Coming from a guy who believes in fairy tales

SonOfEl:
why are you still hitting and dancing around that quotation? IS THAT HOW YOU READ THE SCRIPTURE? if so, then you have missed it completely. Or were you all this time looking for a perceived loophole to hit at? pls balance your method of reading. THE BIBLE IS NOT SOME NOVEL, pls read the scriptures I have given you before commenting...

Indeed, the bible is not a novel. If it was, it would have made more sense.

Toyade888:
magga

Learn how to spell

seniorbros:
The goodwill that accompanies the office of the President is such that the occupier of that office can never be poor in his life time. You have on your own decided that Obasanjo is stupendeouly rich because he owns a farm without putting into consideration the good will at his disposal when he was a president.

Rather than speculate, the Freedom of Information Act now empowers you to dig deep into public information of any sort. Get your facts correct before accusing anyone of any wrongdoing.

He's a saint, right?

5minsmadness:
It might actually be a good idea o if well packaged.

yes o

angels09:
Obj is not filthy rich! I happen to know that! Thanks

Really? That's cool. Can you say he is a saint?

SonOfEl:
I MEANT BALANCING YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE SCRIPTURES. have you read those scripture I listed? you shouldn't cherry pick a portion of the bible and use it out of context.

Please, stop projecting contradictions as "balance".

God is perfect but he created an imperfect world.

God is good but evil.

God created sin but will punish us for sin.

God loves us but will burn us in hell fire if we don't love him back.

God performed miracles 2000years ago but couldn't avert the disaster in SCOAN or even the disaster in Saudi Arabia.

God created a physical world but can't be seen.

These are contradictions and not balances

omonnakoda:
Operation Feed the Nation is now Obasanjo farms?

Today he is Filthy rich? Are you his accountant?

I guess this is an online beer parlour

I am wrong. He is a saint

nickxtra:
some of the electricity projects have been completed while some others are ongoing. As for the road projects, pls ask Tony Anenih

So, obj is a saint. Cool

SonOfEl:
I think you need to balance these scripture.

check out Ezekiel 28:15, Ezekiel 14:2-5, Leviticus 20:26, 1 john 1:5, James 1:13-15,

when you balance these scriptures, you will understand that God created satan and also freewill, that is why he claims responsibility for evil, yet, God is NOT evil, NEITHER DID HE IMPUTE EVIL IN SATAN, Satan simply chose evil.

also, freewill tests our faithfulness. you being around ladies and yet not being unfaithful to your spouse makes you worthy of her and earns her love right? so it is with us and God. the CHOICE of evil was there and Satan took it. mind you, taking it MEANS ignoring that which is good. its not that there is a created thing called evil, NO. absence of good IS evil

Balance the scriptures?

God created evil. It's his responsibility. Why didn't he create good and leave it at that. First, he created evil, put it in satan and when the guy misbehaved he punished him. Satan is actually the victim of this story and god is the true evil one here

Horlufemi:
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

Jesus is the only one who is the same as his message.

Jesus is not Religion

That is what other religions say about their god

plappville:
You are acting like Aaron and Miriam. We ought to learn from biblical figures. See what Gods told them.

numbers 12:4-8

4And suddenly the Lord said to Moses and to Aaron and Miriam, “Come out, you three, to the tent of meeting.” And the three of them came out.
5And the Lord came down in a pillar of cloud and stood at the entrance of the tent and called Aaron and Miriam, and they both came forward.
6And he said, “Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the Lord make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream.
7Not so with my servant Moses. He is faithful in all my house.
8With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the Lord. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?”

Cool. Since you are such a firm christian please check https://www.nairaland.com/2642573/muslims-christians-how-many-unbelievers and share your testimony

bi0nics:
list those 42, 000

Just type google.com on your browser and search for "how many religions are there in the world"

Christianity alone has about 33,000 denominations

Use google friend

plaetton:
I just laugh when christians disown the old testament, even though the old testament is used every single hour to evangelize.

The other day, one of my christian friends, after being cornered with biblical verses, finally admitted that god had REPENTED in the new testament.

I couldn't believe my ears.

Stop! Don't kill me. Lol

He had a change of heart

Hahahahahahahaha

SonOfEl:
...that is, if I had a manual for the android but neglected its instructions, then its my fault, not the company's. company give manuals for complex or important devices, or don't you agree?

also, God has a manual he placed in us alongside freewill. its our responsibility whatever we make of the freewill.

LASTLY, freewill is not a licence to sin. Grace is not a license to commit sin and apologize later, (after all, God is gracious and merciful right?) besides, the last example you gave refers to we (now) imperfect humans, how much more a perfect being who created everything good and give it a 'manual' to remain good?

Isaiah 45:7

KJV: I formed the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the lord do all this things.

NIV: I formed the light and create darkness: I bring prosperity and create disaster: I, the lord do all these thing.

NLT: I create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, the lord, am the one who does all these things.

ASV: I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace, and create evil. I'm jehovah, that doeth all these thing.

So, explain that

SonOfEl:
No. anything that is NOT good, IS bad. any thing that has the absence of good, is bad. BAD means THE ABSENCE OF GOOD.

God giving us the freewill to make decisions does not make him responsible for our actions, we are responsible for our own actions. for instance, in your country, when the law of the constitution highlights ALL that makes you a GOOD citizen, and you do the exact opposite, is your country responsible for YOUR action?

Of course I am responsible for my actions. But the government didn't create the sins, god did. If your android phone blows up in your pocket as a result of a malfunction won't the manufacturing company take responsibility for it?

5minsmadness:
Done. Thanks!

Thanks.

Hey y'all, he actually sent N500

I think this pidgin English thing actually pays o. I'm going to work on a pidgin English handbook for tourists. What do you think?

ahnie:
Oh i did,jesus so they also notified you.

Notified him of what?

No op, I didn't saw it o

SonOfEl:
No he didn't. Satan conceived it. freewill gives one the right to chose good or bad and bear their respective consequences. just as a bleeding nose is a natural consequence of ones nose being punched, so is death the natural consequence of sin.

GOD REPRESENTS ALL THAT IS GOOD, ANY CHOICE MADE OUTSIDE HIM BECOMES EVIL, AND SATAN CHOSE THE LATER.

How can Satan chose something that doesn't exist? If god didn't create sin(he created all things, right) satan wouldn't have sinned. God is actually responsible for satan's problems.

Besides, god is both good and evil. Not so?

This story is 100% rubbish. You just had to result to fabricated stories to prove a point about your god's awesomeness

Fine then

I was walking down the street and then spiderman came and saved me just as a trailer was about to hit me. This story is a also fiction but it proves that spiderman is real

Horlufemi:
See it as finding true purpose. The reason we are here.

There are about 42,000 different religions and all these people have found their true purpose without Jesus. What then is the use of Jesus?

SonOfEl:
No. He isn't. his actions in the old testament only shows HOW GRAVE the consequences of sin can be, so that we won't take his grace in the new testament for granted. if you don't know the how grave the weight of being guilty is, you won't appreciate the power of grace and mercy. if you don't fall sick or have life threatening diseases, you WONT REALLYVappreciate the importance of medicine. got it?

That's true.

But he created sin, why then should I be punished for it?

5minsmadness:
Yes I have. Check your mail.

Yes you have and I've replied you

datola:
Please do 'the needful' by reporting OBJ corruption to UK authority so that he can be jailed as well.

I really doubt all these corruption allegations against OBJ because of the confidence he displays internationally. It will be a good development for him to be jailed if he has stolen our money.

Ok, will do that. Lol

Have you heard about operation feed the nation? It is now obj farms.

How can someone whose wealth and property was seized by Abacha able to accumulate much wealth in 8years as president. Remember that as a president he wasn't running any personal business but today he is filthy rich.