Connected1:

Then I believe "HappyCreative" deserves a Beta Male i.e the one she can easily control with her short height, vagina & self acclaimed wealth.
Terrific woman

Why do you believe I deserve this? It is men who self deprecate their own gender using terms like alpha and beta males.

DEMZEE:


High value men are not attracted to pseudo masculine hybrid beast women


That part of the scripture was for men and women to submit whenever they are in a holy gathering

Don't misquote or cherry pick the Bible

You shouldn't Cherry pick either then right?

DEMZEE:


Gender pay has been debunked so many times

Are u new to feminism ni
Most feminist don't use that trope again nah

Their new trope is social constructivism and transgenderism

Did I not say I wasn't a feminist? You are seeing words on a screen and constructing your own narrative.

goodnewscliff:
Geography doesn't have anything to do here.... U sure u did geography?? Or wanted to type history or crk....

You were the one saying that these were still countries, which is more to do with geography than history.

Just say you're borderline illiterate and go.

DEMZEE:


Women are hypergamous

Women don't see equality, women see strong or weak men. That's why women date and marry upwards and not downwards.

In marriage, women must submit to their husbands. It's nonnegotiable!

Women love opportunistically
Men love idealistically and sacrificially

Not all women. Are all men hypogamous?

Men and women should submit to each other. Ephesians 5:21.

DEMZEE:


Women are paid the same way a man is paid for the same job

Women and men are not fundamentally equal

Not always. Have you heard of the gender pay gap?

Men and women are different. I wouldn't say they are not equal though.

goodnewscliff:
It cant happen

Maybe in your marriage. Don't speak for all of us please.

goodnewscliff:
Greek is greece
Rome still exists till now

Obviously the gentleman was referring to the empires, which are no longer.

We all studied geography, we all know these are still countries. They don't have the power they once had. Do you have a salient point to make?

Connected1:

nothing better came along, empires do rise & fall i.e the Japanese, Malian, Egyptian empires

The fall of the Roman empire for example, happened because the empire failed to enforce its rule. If they don't have the power they once had, they have to move with the times.

In regard to your other message. I'm not a feminist per se, women should have more equal rights though. For revamps getting the same pay for doing the same job.

Connected1:

Have you heard of the Romans or Greeks changing the way things has always been done in their society, some values cannot be changed, sometimes too knowledge without wisdom isn't valuable.

Where are the Roman and Greek empires now?

They are no longer a thing because something better came along.

Connected1:

All I see here is you seeking relevance and importance, your home shouldn't be a battlefield or a career.
Let me tell you this, In Nigeria our women are placed on high value without them fighting for it.
We spend efforts toasting them & making them feel Superfly, that's one reason when they get to the west you hear them complain about boredom & loneliness & too much stress because the Westerners don't care about these things.
An Average girl gets a minimum of 5 guys seeking her attention everyday unless she's way too old.
In Africa we do almost all the hustling for our woman.

Have you lived in the West for you to be spouting your opinions as facts?

The women are the ones who get who get the pick of the men, yet men think they are the ones with the power.

Connected1:

And you aren't one of them
I want to believe you aren't African because you know nothing about your culture.

100% Nigerian. I am aware of how to question things, not just do things because 'that's the way they've always been done'.

If people have that mentality, how will we grow?

goodnewscliff:
U dont know if i earn alot so dont conclude.... Not all male nairalanders are broke..some might have done well for thermselves nd not create a thread about it.... This is d first time am having a conversation on nairaland this year cos ur topic is aaaarrrhhhh....

For me... My woman must b good in cooking cos dats d only thing i see her doing at home nd i will not say she useless nd create a thread on nairaland for it...... i would make happy in many ways possible same with many men.... So life go balance

That is true not all of them are broke. I didn't say they were.

My thread is making you think about the toxic masculinity that exists? Well I'm glad I could be of help.

I agree, balance is very necessary.

goodnewscliff:
My point nigerian men do more and wannt to do more.... I have friends abroad but i praise nigerian men alot... Am not been biased here... But its d truth.... If we had more money, our women would be queens nd dats d bitter truth....

A woman who would reason logical without hate would see this easily....

If u have a responsibile man, respect him as d head after GOD, he would please u when he has....
Dats what men really want.... Deep respect Nd rest re minors

What do you mean by nigerian men do more?

Just because a woman doesn't agree with you, it doesn't mean she's filled with hate.

Men should respect women too.

Connected1:

I once told you to forget about Nigerian men, forget about the strong & sweet dick, stick to the Westerners that share the ideologies with you.
Women do not head a home in Africa, it's forbidden.
The major thing men value in a relationship is respect, if it can be provided easily be the women then we would see queens everywhere.

Good thing I don't live in Africa then isn't it.
Respect goes both ways.

Connected1:

I don't do good on phone, I wish I was having a physical conversation.
A Kingdom is on a famine & the King A is broke, then a neighbouring King B offers to help the Kingdom of his Ally. Then all of a sudden King B now determines what happens in Kingdom of King A because the climate hasn't been in their favour for sometime.
Tell me if this is proper?
What would do if you are King A?

I would listen to King B, because they are the ones helping King A. How can you be accepting help from King B, but still demanding how things are done? You better take the help you can get if you say yes to accepting the help. You find very few true philanthropists.

goodnewscliff:
But we can agree that d men folk does it more dan 85% of d time without stress nd becos of love

We can agree to disagree if that makes you happier?

goodnewscliff:
I have seen so many men take their wives to school, bought them cars, houses nd open business without stress all for love.....


I haven't seen reverse nd even if it happens which i haven't seen,, WITH MINUS PEACE OF MIND...

I've seen the reverse plenty of times. You can't just generalise just because what you have seen.

Connected1:

Gosh!! you ought to be a demon.
So you mean money determines whom garners the higher authority in a home.
So this is your main reason for this thread, my sister forget marriage, you can't submit to a man.
Shuu No wonder

No that's not what I'm saying, but quite a few people in this thread are saying, the woman can't earn more than the man because the man then won't feel superior.

It doesn't matter to me. But all I'm saying is if a woman is earning more, surely she should have more of a say what happens with the household income.

Connected1:

You will not pay attention now and listen to him.
Men are scared of financially bouyant women regardless of their character, it's very intimidating and sometimes the man suffers inferiority.

I knew it. That's all I wanted to hear. Men are scared of women who can hold their own because they have nothing else to provide. Women will always be able to find a better man, but men have to work really hard to just get the number of one woman.

goodnewscliff:
Authority should not come by what a man provides..
It should come naturally...
There's this thing called down time in life,, could happen to anyone.... Ur respect for ur man determine on what is bought to d table??

I get that sometimes people are down sometimes, but the same must be taken into account for women.

My respect for men doesn't depend on money. It has to do a lot with their integrity however.

goodnewscliff:
Then thats a stupid man u got right there..... A woman should know this as at when dating before marrige

Must of the time it's men who lose their job and still expect the same level of authority.

Some men can be very hard headed.

goodnewscliff:
Few times.... Its not d case!!!!
Where i come from i only of 2 wives who supported d husband ONLY WHEN THEY WERE DOWN
...a regular nigerian wouldn't want hes wife earning more , it shows that hes incompetent as a man.... So Hes supposed to Work more than hes wife.... He has to b man in dat aspect so family life can balance..... Its a natural demand

So you think its emasculating to think that a woman is smarter and has a better paid job than you?

I get that to an extent, but some men don't even bother to want to get a job or achieve more, but still expect the wife to do everything including work.

ednut1:
if you are not satisfied with wetin dey market stay single.

Profound input. Thank you.

goodnewscliff:
If i do most of these so called house work,, WHAT WOULD BE UR EXCUSE AS A WIFE LETS SAY I REALLY EARN A LOT !!!!

But let's be real, you don't really earn a lot.

If I want something done a certain way. I would do it myself. I wouldn't tell someone else to do it just so a can have a reason to chastise them if they do it wrong.

Also it wouldn't be must of the housework, would it? It would be the thing that you like having done a particular way.

goodnewscliff:
Women can be richer but in a general case, the man is always richer.... Me no lazy at all.... Nd i like it when my things are arranged properly..... THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO ME BEING PROVIDING FINANCIALLY..... its just me even tho i have a wife!!!!! ... Y should i be creating a thread for it??

If you want your things arranging properly, surely it would make sense to do it yourself would it not?

goodnewscliff:
D only thing a woman may do in my home is cook..... I like my stuffs taken care off myself nd i been doing that for years...
A man dat can't take care of himself is useless.... Cos i dont know what spiritual housechores d women re complaining of nd its becoming annoying... If i do more of the housechore cos me no like dirty nd i provide more than 95% ,, what would now b ur excuse as a woman?

I wouldn't have any excuse. I will do 100% of the housework of the man earns 100% of the income, but often that its not the case.

Would you disagree?

goodnewscliff:
Maybe ALL BACHELORS ARE PIGS and dont cook or clean.... For crying out loud... The excuse women give for house chores is really becoming annoying..... Seriously!!!

I dont really want to go practical here

Please, go practical. Explain yourself fully.