imam07: it is you Nigeria Muslims that turn it to religion war. 100% of Nigeria Muslims surport Palestinians against Israel because because everything is related to Islam here in naija. I still see many Christians all over d world chanting free Palestines. Just dat u people don't talk truth.
However, if you look deeply at both cases, it was never about religion. It is humans being the animal they are not supposed to be. It is greed, power grab, wickedness and animalistic behavior
Firebomber: You are really funny seriously. So it what paved way for hisslamic terrorist that's the main point now not there main aim? Look down an you will see, those conquest were never about religion, If you cannot link an uprising in the ME to a religious cause without identifying the political reason, then I should not engage you.
Seriously I give up on you, unless you are going to show us where Mandela goes about bombing innocent people in the name of religion, then you are really not okay upstairs to think you can compare resistance to terrorism. I thought you said you did not abuse me? take a look https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_resistance_to_apartheid and you will notice armed resistance and guerillas
Yes I've shown you prove that caliphate war and ottoman wars are mainly religious motivated, but you choose to look other way, well I'm not surprised.
" Two Christian monks, accompanied by Cyrus of Alexandria and the famous Roman general Aretion, came out to negotiate with 'Amr ibn al-'As. Aretion had been the Byzantine governor of Jerusalem and had fled to Egypt when the city fell to the Muslims. 'Amr gave them three options: convert to Islam, pay the jizya, or fight."
I asked you a question but you failed to answer, if the caliphate and ottoman was is not religious orientated why is it that the first thing they established is Islamic caliphate? How is this question not stupid? Islam was the official religion but that does not mean the political office was not separated from the religious office. Is it the chief Imama who orders the war? What brings about the name "Roman Catholic" or "Anglican"?
And you saying that there is no force conversion during the caliphate war is the most stupidiest thing you ever said since you are chatting here.
It really funny how you are trying so hard to whitewash your religion from it end products ( hisslamic terrorism)
And stop trying to differentiate your hisslam from politics because your hisslam itself is politics, that's why your hisslamic countries are being ruled by hisslamic laws (Sharia)
You said 3 options, yet you said it is forced. Live your life but pay tribute... You are paying someone else already were you not? Now pay us because we defeated those guys. I have not known any conquered territory in history that does not pay tribute or tax to its conqueror. Some Pillage and others require taxes. Which would you prefer? How is that forced conversion? They even gave you a much cheaper option of becoming Muslim. At some point, everyone wanted to convert for economic gain, and conversion was banned temporarily. What influenced the Roman laws after adopting Christianity? Was Europe not ruled by the bible at some point? Religion might easily unify people for a cause but the underlying purpose is usually political. The prophet never fought any provocative war, it was always defensive and preventive. If those who made states after him choose to expand and conquer. They did it for personal gain.
Let me ask you an interesting question. 98% of the people in Ikwere were Christians, was their killing of the Aluu 4 according to the bible? Or is it just pure human barbarism?
Firebomber: The caliphate war( holy war) is called what? The ottoman war is called what? Or should I start mentioning the war that your muhammad fought too 😂 😂 oga I've given you the list long ago, but it seems religious bigot are hard to educate, 😂 well what did I expect from someone that's using war to justify terrorism 😂
You are hilarious, show us the victim of boko haram in there early stage, the first boko haram attack on Muslim was against an islamic preacher that is against them, so what's your point please.
Shut up jare, so those members of ISIS, Jamaat Nusrat Al-Islam wal Muslimeen (JNIM), Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG), Al-Qa’ida (AQ) and other over 100 hisslamic terrorist groups don't know about your hisslam or your quran, 😂 well I'm not surprised, they too also claim that you don't know about Islam and quran. Well still doesn't change the fact that they still use your quran and haddith to justify there act and also fight th course of your allah.
There was a time wearing of hijab is never an issue in public missionary school, but now they even turn violence because of wearing of hijab, they are Muslims then and they are Muslims now, so what change?
good... you mentioned it... tell me... what paved way for the creation of ISIS?... what was AQ issue with the US? What led to the situation in Afganistan?. What led to the situation in Libya and Syria? Like I said, these are all politics not religion. I once asked you. If the ottoman and caliphate war was mainly religious, why was there no forced conversion and if you claim there was, give me your source. Vietnam resistance, Mandela etc were all called terrorists. If they had a common ideology, that ideology would be accused of causing the terror.
Seems you really got everything wrong somewhere, should I remind you of the name of the so called holy war? It called caliphate war, hope you know what it means in islamic. The war is solely on religious expansion and nothing else, that's why after they conquer a land, what they established an islamic caliphate to rule over it, so it so funny to say the so called holy war is not about religion. Even the ottoman empire that's not Arab also established Islamic caliphate after invading a land, so oga stop making it seems it about tribe. Anything hisslamic is solely about religion. Including the present terrorism.
Smile you are funny to even talk about Rome, guess I need to remind you that Roman have already expand to there peak even about to start loosing relevant before they adopted Christianity as officially religion, so how will you say they are fighting for Christianity.
I know you lack history but I will help you.
Like I asked you mention where the Caliphate forced conversion.
You mean Constantine never expanded?... Between, you could say Constantine used Christian as a political cohesion tool not because he was much of a religious person. This brings me back to my point. People have thier personal, political, drive to carry out an act of terror. Could be war, guerilla, expansion, terrorism etc. It has nothing to do with religion. A lot could say they did it for Allah, Yaweh etc but they are either using it as political tool or being used themselves. The religion is never to blame.
Firebomber: I told you to stop calling terrosm war, is everything alright with you 😂
And the fact that you even told me no neglect the second most deadliest hisslamic terrorist shows who you really are.
You claimed there are wars in the name of Islam... but you refused to mention any. Even if we choose to explore the Idiots In Northern Nigeria... can you claim that all their victims has been Christians?. Those ones are sponsored to cause unrest because thier presence keeps funds flowing into some people's account. At the tail end, there are political undertone to it. A great percentage of these guys cannot even read the Quran, do not pray and have no idea what Islam is about. This is why I call them ignorant. Someone has used poverty as a tool to indoctrinate them into an ideology. Apart from this, there also a cultural effect. An average Hausa/Fulani man will react to an join a mob drive and is ready to risk his life to a cause. Why do you thing they make the best security personnel. A long time ago, you would rather trust an Hausa man to protect you or do any other job if he is paid to do so regardless of your religion or tribe. Times have changed. They were Muslims then and they are Muslims now. Someone learnt terrosim pays a lot. He decided to cash out. It's not his religion but his greed.
Firebomber: Just seeing your statement at the first bold?
Is either you lack knowledge of history or you are just another religious bigot. Smile so your history told you there was no force conversion during caliphate invasion, you are really hilarious, guess you don't even know that the crusaders was created to crushed the excess invasion of caliphate.
Second bold, you forget to mention trans Sahara slavery, how your Arab slave master invaded Africa, took your fore father's as slaves, castrate them so that they can reproduce, oops I forgot you are not taught that in telegram school. Smile, you people are really hilarious, can you tell us how North Africa was able to become Arab land? Even if you lack knowledge of history, the present Arab genocide on black in Sudan is still ongoing, but you don't care because it your slave masters handwork.
It so funny how you keep looking for all means to justify your terrorist brothers act. Unless you want to link all those you listed above to a religious back event, then you still don't make any point.
You are jumping out of the discussion to come back to support my arguement. You kept mixing up "Arab" with "Islam". Is it okay for me to say Ibo and every one will assume I meant Christians? Or Hausa and everyone assume I meant Muslims?. That means you can attribute the crimes of Rome to Christianity. Where do you think the Arab learnt expansion from? They are learning when you compare to Rome. None of these guys fought because they wanted to spread thier religion... they simply wanted to expand. The Monguls converted to Islam as rulers not as conquered territory. They were actually the conquerors. Same with Roman Ceasar the great Constantine who made Rome a Christian nation. The Mongol did not even enforce Islam after conversion otherwise Hinduism would no longer exist. All these guys fought war of expansion not for the religion but for political gains. So I askyou again, which wars are you referring to launched in the middle east in the name of religion? Point to a literature that claimed forced conversion durring the caliphate wars.
Yes, the crusade was an attempt to take back Jerusalem but what was the Caliphate rule in Jerusalem like compared to Roman rule? Which of the two preserved the peoples religion and culture?
You mentioned Trans Sahara slave trade, would you say that is an Islamic slave trade and the trans athlantic is a Christian slave trade? What then makes either of the 2 better?
You mentioned Sudan... it is more of an ethnic crises because there are Muslims on both ends.
You keep throwing the word "religious bigot" around. By now you should realize who the bigot is.
Firebomber: What you called ignorant ones is the second most deadliest terrorist group in the world. And who is calling terrorism a war here apart from you?
I just told you that if at all you want to relate anything hisslamic with world war, it should be caliphate war or Ottoman war not terrorism that your terrorist brothers are carrying out now.
You still don't tell us how nations declaring war against each other take relate to bombing of innocent people in there place of worship in the name of allah.
Bros.... name the wars your are talking about. I told you what you witness in war is terror. It's simple equation.
Firebomber: You are still not making any sense unless you show us any war those Americans fought because of Christianity or Jews fought because there religion compelled them to. But I can show you severally where Islamic terrorist justify there terrorist act using hisslam or fighting for hisslam. So you are still draft for comparing terrorism to war.
Well for your information, muslim believed that politics is part of there hisslam. So you have no point here.
And stop comparing world war with terrorism here, we are not talking about caliphate or ottoman war here.
And where did I abuse you please.
I will wait for you to name those wars you are talking about. Please omit those ignorant ones in Northern Nigeria. Let's focus on the Middle East.
You claim you are not using war to justify terrorism yet you are here comparing world war with terrorism, are you alright at all?
Oga stop talking trash here, no one is saying Western is lesser evil than the Arab but it will be so dumb of you to compare world war with the terrorist act created by hopeless hisslamic religious bigot
you said I make no sense... yet offers no constructive arguement but abuses. What is war... what is terrorism. What is really the difference? In both concepts, one side tries to inflict damage on the other. What do you witness in war if not pure terror?. Who here is the religious bigot. What I am simply trying to make you see. Don't mix religion with politics. Every human has a cause for being violent and it's not religion. Religion might be made your excuse but this is your nature. Do you call Americans Christian terrorists for all thier global terrors or the Jews Jewish terrorist? Now tell me who the religious bigot is?
You just use war to justify terrorism, did you know that hisslamic caliphate fought more religious war than any religion.
You even talk about slavery and colonization. So funny you forget that Arab are still taking back as slaves and the north Africa that they invaded is still in there hand till now. So stop talking trash here
Tell me, did you draw the line here between Islam and Arabs?.... a lot of Arabs are Muslims but so is Oman, Bahrain and the likes who are peaceful. Was the Islamic Caliphate war a religious or cultural/Arab expansion?. Then ask yourself ,if its religious, why there was never forced conversion compared to the Crusades. Now tell me, Was the Crusades a religious or European expansion?. If religious, why attack orthodox Russia?. Like I said, I never used war to justify terrorism. I only asked, who had committed more terrorism. The west or the middle easterners. Iran and Iraq are not even full Arabs. They are Persians who are know for wars and violence way before Islam. You also need to check history. Christians have killed more Christians than they have killed Muslims and Jews. Likewise Muslims. If you want to simply identify peoples action by thier religion ignoring underlying cultural and political undertone for crises and resistance. Then we need to list a lot more. Trans Atlantic slave trade, British empire and colonialism, American colonialism, Taiping rebellion, Vietnam War. So much would be listed. Most of these struggles is by a people. If majority of them are Christians, it does not make it a Christian uprising.
imam07: mumu those two wars was faught by all nations and not because of religion. U cant say they are fighting d war for Jesus nah. This is why u no get sense
So... Palestinians are fighting religion? Is it not you guys who makes everything from middle east about the Islamic religion? So people who are oppressed should not resist because they dont want to be tagged as religious bigot
frankadrian: Type rubbish finish you rest. Na wisdom make those terrorists blow up children just a week ago. Na wisdom make boko haram and the other ones dey terrorize the entire northern Nigerian, kill harmless farmers, occupy their communities. Una go just open eye blind. Nonsense.
Death to all terrorists.
Who took responsibility for the bombing in Golan height? Also... when you are done, show me where I justified any killing. The argument is on who is carrying out more terrorism?.
ValCon888: 99.9% of terrorist attacks are carried out by one religion. Your guess is as good as mine.
World War 1 and 2 comes to mind. Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya invasion. Unrests in the resource rich countries in Africa like Congo. Slavery and colonization. Racism. I am still trying to understand the actual meaning of terrorism. Fraction of deaths from these events can match what results from so called "terrorism" attributed to Islam. Arabs are not stupid like Africans... they resist and they find a way to label them evil "terrorism". Africans accept the slave masters and oppression. We are the "good guys" as long as we dance to their tunes.
ScamDemicEra: .... it's a false flag, Israelis have perfected false flag to an art -by deception they wage war. They are soooo evil, they kill some of their own as sacrifice to their god to achieve their expansionist agenda, build their temple and usher in their messiah. Majority of those killed on Oct.7 were killed by the IDF -Hannibal directive.
You can present a mother-load of factual logical evidence and it wont make a dent in the locked minds of the brainwashed nairaland zionists.
May OLODUMARE hasten the expiry date to open blind eyes.
The Druze are not "thier own" they are expendable. They can kill some of them to trigger thier aggression...
Obrigardo: She will cut off aid to netanyahu's regime unless Israel holds new elections and remove their zionist right wing elements. We can destroy Zionists and islamic radicals at the same time.
argueably one of the most reasonable comment I have ever seen on this forum.
RingRoadCartel: If my memory serves me correctly, Isreal has been on the forefront pushing for a Palestinian state for these nitwits. They even offered them the option twice, but HAMAS turned it down. It was only until recently that they perished the idea because they've realised that HAMAS will only use their state status to pursue more creative means of exterminating them, since it isn't interested in the development of its people and state.
shey you sha know that Hamas was just formed in 1987 , yet... thier conflict was long before then. Also, Israel offering a Palestinian state does not sound odd to you?
Lol... funny thing is all Isrealis are reservist but Palestinians should never have served or they due. When Hamas said everyone they only killed military guys in Israel... everyone asked to condemn Hamas. Now Israel is justified to murder anyone regardless. I will still say this... might is right in international affairs.
Let's deal this misleading narrative by mischievous people trying to relate the events in Gaza and what's happened in aba abia state Nigeria.
Hamas is like a nation under the shadows of a more stronger Israel. What they did is like attacking a sovereign nation which is an act war.
What happened in aba is just like what's happening in the north for example the Fulani herdsmen, iswap, bokoharam and the kidnappers. Boko haram terrorists kill soldiers everyday in large numbers so do we now for total extermination of the city that bokoharam killed the soldiers in the north, maybe because we suspected that some northerners are speaking in favour of hamas terrorists in Palestinian Most people in Nigeria need to purge themselves of ethnic hatred.
Stop relating what's happening in Palestinian to whatever happens in Nigeria just because of your dislike of a tribe.
like a nation... the justification... so if IPOB proscribed sit at home and people comply despite thier lack of sovereignty, Biafra then becomes like a nation.
Botragelad: Your hypocrisy is on full display once again. You seem to be implying that Israel is responsible for the ongoing conflict, when in fact, the war could cease immediately if Hamas chose to surrender and release the hostages they're holding captive.
However, instead of urging Hamas to stand down, you persist in devoting your energy to supporting their terrorist activities. If you genuinely cared about the welfare of all individuals, including Israelis, you would direct your efforts towards advocating for the victims of Hamas' aggression. Yet, your comments consistently align with the narratives of Hamas, even when they are unequivocally at fault.
This blatant duplicity is nothing short of deceitful, leading me to question whether you're aware of your own hypocrisy or if it's only apparent to others.
your own history starts from October 7. You know what Hamas is asking for? Release the thousands of Palestinians in captives. Who is their holder? Where they there before October 7?. And before you say they are criminals... ask yourself, why is Israel not letting PLO arrest and detain the violent settlers and the erring IDFs?
nairalanda1: Eventually, we got to stop wasting money on this hajj thing....and even the christian pilgrimage thing. Better spent on education and suchlike.
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At some point , if you want to go on hajj or christian pilgrimage, maybe banks and other financial companies could set up a sorta app, where by if you save N1000 every week, you can go on hajj or go to jerusalem on a full package in five years time....no government involvement
Don;t know how it would work, but right now, it's all I got, as an alternative to government throwing away billions in the name of both religions.
bro .. I am a Muslim but I don talk am tire. This things comes with conditions... a country like Nigeria should not have anything doing with sponsoring Hajj. We always want to be politically correct. Pilgrimage is for those who can afford it and those who wants to sponsor others... It is not a governmental function.
Imagine the region had relative peace. All of a sudden a terrorist group attacked and killed thousands of a country. These countries did nothing. Then the country retaliates and they're all crying blue murder!
Looking like especially Spain is only out for political correctness.
Please don't forget to kick their entire envoys out too.
which relative peace?... do you define continous oppression, killing, stealing of land, demolition of homes and continous detainment without trial relative peace. It was relative peace for the European colonizers and not for the Palestinians
The topic here is Jew( tribe) not judaism( religion) it so dumb of you to even claim a Jew will willfully convert to your useless stone worshiping religion 😂😂
So tell us did they change there tribe too you hopeless trol
for someone who wants to educate another to call the concept of being a Jew as being a member of a tribe. What then would you call Judah. You were too focused on passing insults. Jews are those who practices Judaism. Would you rather call black Jews something else. Judah is the tribe those within this area claims is thier ancestoral tribe regardless what religion they are now. Christian, Muslim or Jew. Your link is broken... thou I am not surprised.