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In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Omudia11:
Thrash!!

The mouth reveals what is in the hearts.

Omudia11:
Jesus Christ is GOD in the flesh. Jesus Christ was not created, he is the creator. There was not a thing that was made that he did not make.

Just saying,
1. How can God be born by his creation?
2. How can God be killed by his creation?
3. Where in the bible did Jesus say, unambiguously he was God, or he should be worshipped?
Do you know why I asked the last question? over 5.5billion people are going to hell, according to you, if they don't believe Jesus is God, yet, he didn't for once tell anyone that he was God.

NOTE: This is not to insult my christian brothers and sisters, it is only to reason with you.

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

mine85:
There is no more unforgivable sin. When Jesus made that statement, He was still on earth and He rightly said. .. . Such a sin will not be forgiven.... that was the Holy Spirit in action in the old testament, even killing Aaron's son for burning the wrong candle inside the temple.

But, immediately Jesus died, all sins were forgiven.. .. Jesus said, it is finished.... Meaning He paid all. The blood of Jesus washes away our sins including the sin against the Holy Spirit.

As long as you confess it, you will be forgiven.

Just saying though,

If all your sins are forgiven, it means you don't have to do good deeds, because they won't matter, all you have to do is accept 'the blood', right?

It also means you have no reason to be in this world, because every sin you commit was paid for, long before you were born, right?
Also, it doesn't make sense for God to bring you to the world just to accept 'the blood', as your salvation.

Also, since 'the blood' is the only way to salvation, what of before 'the blood'?

NOTE: No offense intended to my christian brothers and sisters, I am simply reasoning with you.

In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful.

Brothers and sisters, I thank God for showing me this thread. I just read your posts, and I want to say, despite I'm a Muslim, CONGRATULATIONS!

It may seem as though I'm mocking you, but I'm not. I'm serious. So, once again, congrats.

alBHAGDADI:
Why are you being difficult intentionally?

I told you that the verse you quoted is part of a PARABLE which shouldn't be taken literally.

Let's assume the verse was talking about killing someone. Ask yourself, did Yahshua kill anyone? No.

But Mohammad killed over 600 Jews.



Very good, but you have to stop quoting a particular verse without checking the preceding once for correlation and full understanding.


Samuel chapter 15

Verse 1: Samuel said to Saul, "I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD.

Verse 2: This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I WILL PUNISH the Amalekites FOR WHAT THEY DID to Israel when they WAYLAID THEM as they came up from Egypt.

Verse 3: Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'"


Now, to understand the verse 3 which you quoted maliciously, you have to read verse 1 and 2 before you read it. Verse 1 and 2 shows prophet Samuel telling the king of Israel, Saul, that he should go and destroy the amalekites for the evil the amalekites DID TO ISRAEL. That was a war between 2 nations and has nothing to do with Christians cos Christianity wasn't even formed them. Christianity is all about living like Christ who was sinless.


No compulsion in Islam? Very funny.

What is the punishment for apostasy in Islam? Is it not death? Look below



“Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.” — Bukhari 9.84.57 ‘baddala deenahu, faqtuhulu’

Sahih Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

al-Muwatta of Imam Malik (36.18.15) - "The Messenger of Allah said, "If someone changes his religion - then strike off his head."



Am no more interested in discussing with an Al taquiya expert.

Same way you are being difficult.

First, since it's a parable, just tell me what the verse stands for figuratively.

Second, on Muhammad "killing 600 Jews", you'll have to bring proof.

Third, I read the preceding verses, genocide remains what it is, no matter how you try to twist it.

Fourth, regarding apostasy, please check these links;

http://www.islamicperspectives.com/apostasy1.htm

and

http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/1739/how-do-we-reconcile-the-apostasy-ruling-with-al-baqarah-2256

Please, read totally, even the comments section, if any.

Sorry for late replies though, had "sub" issues.

Salam

alBHAGDADI:
To hell with your Al taquiya.

All the commentaries you posted above are still talking about fighting or getting hurt in the name of Islam.

Do you know what your problem is? You always swallow the lies told by your Imams and Sheiks who wrote Bible scriptures out of context to decieve and imprison you Muslims.

Had it been you checked the passage of Luke 19 very well, you would have realised that Yahshua was only saying a Parable and parables are not to be taking literally.

Below is the Luke chapter 19 from which you picked the verse 27 out of context so as to tell your lies. Read it below

Luke 19

The Parable of the Ten Minas

While they were listening to this, HE WENT ON TO TELL THEM A PARABLE, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. He said:
“A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’
“But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’
“He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.
“The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’
“‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’
“The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’
“His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’
“Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’
“His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’
“Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’
“‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’
“He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”




Next time, make sure you act like the people of berea who searched the scriptures to be sure that what a religious teacher tells them is true.


Acts 17:11

"Now the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and EXAMINED THE SCRIPTURES every day to see if these teachings were true."

First, I have not seen any teaching of "Al taqiuya" in the Qur'an.

Second, Luke 19:27, I saw in the bible, no sheikh told it to me. Reading your above post to justify that verse, you ended up repeating the same "bring my enemies who do not accept that I reign over them and kill them in front of me"
I already read the previous verses, but that does not justify this verse.
But, assuming you are right, please explain 1samuel 15:3.

Third, I already told you the meaning of jihad. You can ascribe whatever false meaning you want to it, that is your choice. I have done my part by correcting you, you can either take it or leave it.
Qur'an 2:256 "There shall be no compulsion in religion...". Like wise I cannot force you to accept anything. Believe what you want.

Salaam.

alBHAGDADI:
Rubbish

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

The above passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle.


There are many more of such Quran verses. If you want them, I can supply you.

Brother, I may not correct all these quoted verses, but will take the one which seems to be the most explicit according to your interpretations, I.e Qur'an 4:95

Qur'an 4:95 Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in God's Cause with their wealth and lives. God has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has God promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward.

First of all, this is a very poor translation of the verse. Let us look at some notable translators:

4:95YUSUFALI: Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath God promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.

PICKTHAL: Those of the believers who sit still, other than those who have a (disabling) hurt, are not on an equality with those who strive in the way of God with their wealth and lives. God hath conferred on those who strive with their wealth and lives a rank above the sedentary. Unto each God hath promised good, but He hath bestowed on those who strive a great reward above the sedentary.

MUHAMMAD ASAD: Such of the believers as remain passive' -.other than the disabled -cannot be deemed equal to those who strive hard in God's cause with their possessions and their lives:' God has exalted those who strive hard with their possessions and their lives far above those who remain passive. Although God has promised the ultimate good unto all [believers], yet has God exalted those who strive hard above those who remain passive by [promising them] a mighty reward.

KHAN/HILALI: Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward;

Having defined Jihad in the previous post, we can describe a Mujahid as someone who strives to uphold justice, perhaps risking his life in the process. So what do these verses say? They are elevating the status of those who are brave to stand up for truth and justice in the face of oppression. The verses elevate their status over that of those who cowardly hide from defending the rights of others, unless they have a disability, which prevents them from doing so. So the Islam-hater finds no support (for their distorted presentation of Islam) in these verses either. Moreover, the verse supports the interpretation of Jihad as any struggle for the sake of God because it has mentioned those who perform Jihad with their wealth by donating it for a good cause, such as humanitarian organizations. As Muhammad Asad writes about this verse:
The term mujahid is derived from the verb jahada, which means "he struggled" or "strove hard" or "exerted himself", namely, in a good cause and against evil. Consequently, jihad denotes "striving in the cause of God" in the widest sense of this expression: that is to say, it applies not merely to physical warfare (qital) but to any righteous struggle in the moral sense as well
(Asad, The Message of the Qur’an )



I think you should compare this with genocide in the bible in 1samuel 15:3 or Jesus preaching violence in Luke 19:27.

Salam

In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

naijadeyhia:
Collateral damage afterall its all in support of the Jihad.

First, I want you to understand that the fact that some Muslims are violent does not mean that they are acting according to Islam (I.e, following the Qur'an wholely, not partly, and the authentic hadith).

Second, you misunderstand the meaning of jihad. In Arabic, the word jihad is a noun meaning the act of "striving, applying oneself, struggling, persevering".
In an authentic hadith narration, the messenger of Allah (pbuh) was reported to have said that the greatest jihad is to fight one's internal (worldly) desires.

It is a sin to damage infrastructure intentionally. It is also a sin to harm children, women, elderly (aged), sick, slaves, etc. It is also wrong to start a battle/war/crisis where there is none. Allah says in the Qur'an that we (Muslims) should present, preach Islam using the best words and manners. If I killed a disbeliever, it will be a sin, because by so doing, I am giving a wrong impression of Islam, thereby turning others away from it, not to talk of the fact that I would be disobeying Allah, when he says in the Qur'an that we should treat all creatures with justice, because I didn't even give the person a chance to hear the message of Islam.
So, it is obvious, that despite they (boko haram, Isis, etc) claim to be muslims, they are not practicing true Islam, but rather, do what they feel is right, despite it being totally wrong.

There are christian groups who kill and act violently. Some of them are;
1. The Army of God
A network of violent Christianists that has been active since the early 1980s.

2. Eastern Lightning, a.k.a. the Church of the Almighty God
Founded in Henan Province, China in 1990, Eastern Lightning (also known as the Church of the Almighty God or the Church of the Gospel’s Kingdom) is a Christianist cult with an end-time/apocalypse focus : Eastern Lightning believes that the world is coming to an end, and in the meantime, its duty is to slay as many demons as possible. While most Christianists have an extremely patriarchal viewpoint (much like their Islamist counterparts) and consider women inferior to men, Eastern Lightning believe that Jesus Christ will return to Earth in the form of a Chinese woman. But they are quite capable of violence against women: in May 2014, for example, members of the cult beat a 37-year-old woman named Wu Shuoyan to death in a McDonalds in Zhaoyuan, China when she refused to give them her phone number. Eastern Lightning members Zhang Lidong and his daughter, Zhang Fan, were convicted of murder for the crime and executed in February . In a 2014 interview in prison, Lidong expressed no remorse when he said of Shuoyan, “I beat her with all my might and stamped on her too. She was a demon. We had to destroy her.”

3. The Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA)
The mainstream media have had much to say about the Islamist brutality of Boko Haram, but one terrorist group they haven’t paid nearly as much attention to is the Lord’s Resistance Army—which was founded by Joseph Kony (a radical Christianist) in Uganda in 1987 and has called for the establishment of a severe Christian fundamentalist government in that country. The LRA, according to Human Rights Watch, has committed thousands of killings and kidnappings—and along the way, its terrorism spread from Uganda to parts of the Congo, the Central African Republic (CAR) and South Sudan.

4. TheNational Liberation Front of Tripura
India is not only a country of Hindus and Sikhs, but also, of Muslims, Buddhists, Catholics and Protestants. Most of India’s Christians are peaceful, but a major exception is the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT). Active in the state of Tripura in Northeastern India since 1989, NLFT is a paramilitary Christianist movement that hopes to secede from India and establish a Christian fundamentalist government in Tripura. NLFT has zero tolerance for any religion other than Christianity, and the group has repeatedly shown a willingness to kill, kidnap or torture Hindus who refuse to be converted to its extreme brand of Protestant fundamentalism.
In 2000, NLFT vowed to kill anyone who participated in Durga Puja (an annual Hindu festival) And in May 2003, at least 30 Hindus were murdered during one of NLFT’s killing sprees.

5. The Phineas Priesthood
White supremacist groups don’t necessarily have a religious orientation: some of them welcome atheists as long as they believe in white superiority. But the Christian Identity movement specifically combines white supremacist ideology with Christianist terrorism, arguing that violence against non-WASPs is ordained by God and that white Anglo Saxon Protestants are God’s chosen people.

There are many others like this. But, I don't say that because some Christians are doing this, that Christianity promotes violence, despite some violent teachings in the bible.

So, I'm urging you not to judge Islam with the violent actions of a few.

Salaam brother.

basilico:
Muhammad was fourty years when Jibril spoke to him . Not Allah.
He continued receiving revelations for the next 22 years depending on the circumstances on the ground.
For instance when he cheated one of his plus four wives to go see her father, she went and on coming back (after her dad said he had not sent for her) found Muhammad sexxxing her maid. Allah promptly sent a revelation that his prophet should not be denied any woman he desired.He even denied his brothel sexxxx for a whole month as he enjoyed the maid.
All from revelations by Allah.
How does any person with no mental retardation follow such a character?

Please, I have never come across this in the whole Qur'an and authentic hadith narrations.

In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

malvisguy212:
1.muhammed first marriage was with a Jewish woman and not with any Muslimah. So, which religious rites were
followed at his marriage ceremony with a Jewish woman if Islam wasn’t yet born? Certainly, a Jewish style marriage ceremony! Even the Quran doesn’t mention anything about the Islamic ceremony of Prophet Muhammad’s first marriage. That simply shows that even Muhammad didn’t have any idea of the existence of Islam or his prophecy.
2.If Muhammad was an adorable
prophet sent by Allah, then why didn't he reveal the truth about Islam, when he was a child or when he got young? Why did he waste 40 years of his life as a non-Muslim idolater? If his purpose of coming in this world was only to reveal Islam and preach it to people, then why
he had to wait until more than half of his life, living like a common man and practicing idol-worship?
Even Budha was holier than muhammed.A man who left his home, luxury life and all the advantages he could have because of his rich background, just because he was really looking for truth and peace and make them reach to the humanity.
Even in Hinduism, Rama, the god of the idol-worshipping Hindus was a much better example than Muhammad, who spent many years of his life in jungles, leaving behind his entire luxurious kingdom. He engaged in some war, but on valid excuses. He never killed or tortured poor people on flimsy excuses as did Muhammad. He never forced someone to embrace Hinduism.
I am not justifying that any of the
religions mentioned above is true, but all I want to say is that in comparison to
Muhammad, those religious personalities stand higher in esteem and cleaner in character.

Answering your 1st question;
It won't be right to assume that Khadija, wife of Muhammad (pbuh) was a polytheist, considering her paternal cousin, Waraqa bin Naufal was a man with profound knowledge of the true (not corrupted) previous scriptures (before the Qur'an), the Taurat (Torah), revealed to Moses (pbuh) and the Injeel (Gospel), revealed to Jesus (pbuh), and had great influence on her.
Considering the Marriage style, according to the sources which gave account of this, no elaborate ceremony was done, rather a simple nikkah was conducted, in the presence of the Prophet’s uncle, Abu Talib (together with some of his other uncles) on the Prophet’s side, and Khadija’s uncle Amr ibn Asad and paternal cousin Waraqa ibn Nawfal on Khadija’s side.

Answering your second question;
First, the revelation from Allah only came to Muhammad (pbuh) when he was 40yrs.

Second, while the prophets family believed and worshiped idols, the prophet himself never knelt , bowed down or worshiped them.
He spent a lot of his free time in cave Hira, pondering life , his existence and spirituality.
He was considered as the most truthful and righteous person long before he started preaching about Islam, hence, the origination of the name Al Amin (the trustworthy) which he was called.
It is on one of these meditation sessions by the prophet in ghar-e-hira (cave hira) that the prophet was visited by the angel Jibreel (Gabriel) with the message of Islam.

I hope I have answered you, if you feel I haven't done that to your satisfaction, please specify.