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emmanajayi:It's like you've not understood me. I didn't say so, 32 Christian scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 cooperating denominations did. Note; the RSV was not revised by Muslim, Jewish, or Hindu scholars. It was revised by christian scholars. Why don't you check for yourself. Find yourself an RSV bible and check that verse, and tell me if you find that trinity verse there. Don't You Refers To Some Passage In The Bible?That depends on the situation. If I am speaking to a Christian, and for example, he says that Jesus (peace be upon him) is God, from his bible, then I will also show him that in that same bible, Jesus is not God. Thereby exposing some double standards. Holy Spirit Is Still Holy GhostOK. Please Can U Tell Me, Where You Saw Christians That Revised The Bible Said That, THAT Portion Is Fabricated MAYBE A LINKGo and get a revised standard version and check the preface, you'll see it all there. |
[quote author=emmanajayi post=57185737]My Brother, Just Read JohnCh1 Vs1-4, John ch3 Vs16, Don't Use Revised Standard, Read King James Version, If You Want To How Jesus(the Word) Is The Son Of God.But the revised standard version has been revised by 32 christian scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 cooperating denominations, and they established that the 1john5:7 which you are talking about is a concoction, a fabrication, an interpolation, and not part of the original manuscript (NOTE; there are thousands of manuscripts, with irreconcilable differences), and thus have thrown it out of the bible. Sincerely, which will be more authentic? About ThrinityRefer above. About Holy GhostNot at all. Just Read Matthew 1:20 Let Me Summarize What Is Their, An Angel Of The Lord Appeared Unto Joseph In A Dream, That Mary Which Is Conceived In her Is Of The Holy Ghost. That Means That The Baby In Mary Womb Is From Holy Ghost, So They Are Two Different Thing Their, The Angel And The Holy Ghost, Angel Is Totally Differ From Holy Ghost.Is it just me? but when you say holy ghost, it seems like you are talking about a spook or something like that. I didn't mention holy ghost, I said holy spirit. And if Allah referred to Jibreel as the holy spirit, then, I accept completely, without reservation. So, how about I propose this to you instead? You just get a copy of the Quran (you get a translated one), and begin to read, without prejudices, without arrogance or pride. Just read, and ask your Lord and my Lord, Allah, to guide you, and you'd be amazed. And Allah knows best. Salaam. |
emmanajayi:I do hope so. Your Quran As Said It All That Jesus Is The Son Of God,I will like to see that verse, because I have never come across it. Quran Said God Can Talk Without Tongue, He Can See Without Eyes, He Can Hear Without Ear,Nope. In the Qur'an, many times, Allah (Glorified and Exhalted is He) says that He is all knowing, all hearing, E.g, “And remember Abraham and Ishmael raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): ‘Our Lord! Accept this service from us: For You are the All-Hearing, the All-knowing’.” [Sūrah al-Baqarah : 127] the one that sees all, E.g, “For those who keep from evil are Gardens with their Lord, beneath which rivers flow wherein they will abide, and pure companions, and contentment from Allah. Allah is Seer of (all) that His servants do.” [ Sūrah Āl `Imrān : 15] And many more. But we as Muslims are forbidden to attribute any particular shape to Him, because He (Allah) has not commanded us to. "and there is none like Him." (Al Ikhlaas : 4) That is to say that we do not deny the existence of these attributes, and at the same time, do not give God a definite shape because of these attributes. (my View On That Chapter)So He Can Have A Son Without Having A Wife Or Giving Birth.I won't say much, Allah has already answered that question in the Quran; They say: “Allah has taken to Himself a son.” Glory to Him! Nay, whatever is in the heavens and the earth belongs to Him; to Him are all in obeisance. (Al Baqarah : 116) The Jews say: "Ezra ('Uzayr) is Allah's son," and the Christians say: "The Messiah is the son of Allah." These are merely verbal assertions in imitation of the sayings of those unbelievers who preceded them. May Allah ruin them. How do they turn away from the Truth? (Quran 9:30) They say: 'Allah has taken a son. Glory be to Him. He is self-sufficient! His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. Have you any authority to support (that Allah has taken a son)? Do you ascribe to Allah something of which you have no knowledge? (Quran 10:68) "They claim: "The Most Compassionate Lord has taken a son to Himself." Surely you have made a monstrous statement. It is such a monstrosity that heavens might well-nigh burst forth at it, the earth might be cleaved, and the mountains fall at their ascribing a son to the Most Compassionate Lord." (Quran 19:88-91) Behold, it is one of their fabrications that they say: “Allah has begotten.” They are liars! (Quran 37:151-152) About The Three God(trinity) I Don't Have Much To Say Just Read 1john ch5 Vs7Even if your bible said that Jesus (peace be upon him) is Allah, I wouldn't believe, because Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He) has debunked that claim in the most authentic scripture in the world, the Quran. But just so you know, I have a revised standard version of the bible and guess what, the verse you just mentioned is not there. I wonder what that says about the "authenticity" of the bible. Let's be reasonable. And About The Holy Ghost, You Said(muslims) Angel Micheal Is The Holy Ghost(that Not True),Allah says in the Quran that he strengthened Jesus (peace be upon him with the holy spirit (Jibreel), so that he (Jesus) could speak in cradle. Meaning that this holy spirit is Angel Jibreel. How do I know? “He sends down the Spirit from His command, upon those of His servants He chooses, in order to warn people of the Day of Meeting.” (Ghafir: 15) We also read in the Qur’an that it (the Qur’an) was sent down upon the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) through the medium of Holy Spirit: “Say: The Holy Spirit brought it down from your Lord with the truth, to strengthen those who believe, and as a guidance and good tidings to the Muslims.” (An-Nahl: 102) "And your Lord, He is indeed the August, the Compassionate. And it is a sending down from the Lord of the Worlds, brought down by the Trustworthy Spirit, upon your heart, that you may be one of the warners, in Arabic speech.” (Ash-Shu`ara': 191-195) It is in the same spirit that we read in the Qur’an that the Holy Spirit was sent down to strengthen Jesus and assist him in his work: “We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear signs, and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit…” (Al-Baqarah: 253) “Then Allah will say, O Jesus son of Mary! Remember My favor upon you and upon your mother; how I strengthened you with the Holy Spirit…” (Al-Ma'idah: 110) So, you can see that the holy spirit is indeed Jibreel (alayhis salaatu was salam). Angels Are Servant,Just like man, and the prophets and messengers of Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He), including but not limited to Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them). After Jesus Will Come To Take His People(those That ConfessConfess what? That Jesus (peace be upon him) is God? Let me now use your bible against you. Didn't Jesus say in your bible, that when you (christians) come to him saying; lord lord, did we not prophesy in thy name? What will be his reply? He will tell them to get out. You better start reevaluating your self, and come to true guidance. And Do Not Sin Again) The Angels Will Serve Them(the People) Angels Are Lower Than Human Beings, So Angel Cannot Be God Spirit.Anytime you have a word, of a being or thing coming before the name of Allah, like a compound word, it simply means that thing was created by Allah. E.g, bait-ullah, rasul-ullah, simply mean that bait (house) and rasul (messenger) have been created by Allah. So also, ruh-ullah (spirit of Allah) simply means a spirit created by Allah. I Have Questions For You The MuslimsWhat stories? 2. Do You Think Going To Mecca, Was Commanded By Allah.Subhanallah. Well, let's find out; “And complete the Hajj and Umrah for Allah...." [2:196] "And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways; [Qur'an 22:27] Because To Go To Mecca For Prigrimage It Costly About Millions And It Is Stated That All Muslims Must Go.All Muslims must go provided they have the means. If you do not have, then it is not compulsory on you. “And Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah) to the House (Ka‘bah) is a duty that mankind owes to Allah, those who can afford the expenses (for one’s conveyance, provision and residence)” [al ‘Imraan 3:97] IHope Some People Will Hv Rethink On This Writeup. God Bless Us AllI hope so too. And Allah knows best. Salaam. |
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Amberon:Where is your proof? You have no authentic hadith to back your claim. What is your claim? Muhammad killed over 700 Jews for simply being non-muslim What is my reply? You are a liar. Simple and short. If you bring your proof, I will revoke my statement. But you have no proof. |
analice107:There's the authentic, and there's the fabricated/weak hadith. Allah keep saying "We", him and who?Plural of respect. Do you believe that allah is able to preserve the koran yet it get abrogated every now and then?The Qur'an is the same one now, and 1400 years ago. Abrogations can not take place anymore, as you can see. Any abrogation that took place was during the time of the prophet, as God revealed rules that overrode those that were previously on ground. Mind you, the abrogated verses of the Quran are few in number. For example, on alcohol, it was first permissible, but the Muslims were commanded to abstain from prayer when drunk; O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say (Surah Nisa 4:43) And then, subsequently, the last and final step in the prohibition of alcohol They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder (Qur'an 2:219) So, as you can see, abrogation doesn't in anyway affect the preservation of the Quran. Have you ever heard that the Bible got abrogated?Well, it was written by men (new testament) who are anonymous, besides, you have thousands of manuscripts which all disagree with one another. You don't have abrogations but discrepancies which can never be reconciled, hence, you have different versions, all differing from one another, like the Roman catholic, KJV, and RSV, hence, it can never be the word of God. Also, abrogations can only take place when the revelation is still coming down. As you can see, all abrogations took place during the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him). You don't need my Bible? Why then do you muslims quote from it every time you want to make a point, shouldn't your koran be enough for you?Look. If I quote from your bible, I'm doing it to show you that what you claim to be the word of God is not. If you are here telling me one thing from your bible, and I show you something contradicting what you told me, I'm simply establishing the fact that the word of God cannot have contradictions. But for establishment of truth, justice and judgement of that which is right and wrong, in fact, for everything the Qur'an is indeed unrivaled. Have you ever come by a Christian trying to make a point, quoting from the koran?Yes. Your Christian brothers and sisters go all over the religious section of nairaland, manipulating verses of the Quran to suit their whims and desires, spewing hatred all over. We don't need you, but on the other hand, Islam cannot survive without us.OK. From now henceforth, stand on your own lets see how far you.Salaam. |
Amberon:Well, anyone killing in the name of Islam is also on his own. Continue in your delusions if you so please.OK. |
analice107:No. Rather, the narration goes back to her, as the first in the chain. It was narrated to us by Muhammad ibn Ishaq, or at least, this version of it was. Also, present in the chain, if you don't know, are ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr ibn Hazm, from ‘Amrah bint ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan, from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her). So, the narration passed through some people, to Ibn Ishaq, and that's how we know it. Here is the narration;This is not the it. As you can see, there is talk of any goat at all. Secondly. As a word gets revealed by allah to jibril to muhammed to whoever else who memorizes it, you stand so solidly to declare that the koran is accurate?Actually, it is God who made, makes, and will continue to make that claim; "Surely, We have revealed the Quran, and surely, We will preserve it" 15:9 “No falsehood will come to it, in the present or in the future; a revelation from One who is Wise and Praiseworthy.” 41:42 God has established the preservation of the Quran as you can see. Listen Muslim, i don't care so long as you practice your Islam leaving the Bible out of it.I don't need your bible ma'am. Why would I need it when I have the Qur'an, pure, unmixed and preserved word of God, perfect in all respects? Oh wait!!!!!, without the Bible, Islam will be dead.Trying to give the bible some worthiness eh mate? Ask yourself this, Why don't Christians or Jews at least once quote from the accurate and complete koran just for once to buttress their points?Why would a thief try to use the constitution against the one he stills from? When you begin to quote from the Quran, you might actually see that it's nothing but the absolute truth, and only way. Why always muslims?OK. Salaam. |
ilynem:Quote in full. Jesus said in John 8:58 - Before Abraham was, I AM.The "I am" used here is ego eimi, which can be used as in "I am a boy", no big deal. The "I am" you are using to refer to God is ho own (this spelling is not accurate, but the pronunciation is). You can do your research. So, on that basis, you haven't established your claim. What did God call himself when he revealed himself to Moses?In the Qur'an, God never revealed Himself to Moses, so, there was no such encounter. Matthew 28:19 is an instruction from Jesus telling us to preach the word and Baptise all in THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.If you refer to Jesus (peace be upon him) as son of God because he was created by God, I agree. But if you say no, he is a begotten son, then I'm sorry. Also, how about you quote the verses, because I have no time to Google search them. When you quote the verses in full, then we'll see if Jesus (peace be upon him) claimed divinity. Moses never called himself the way, the truth and the Life. Jesus did.He needed not to. I asked you a question. During the time of Moses, who did the people follow, in order to get to God, to attain paradise? If the answer is Moses, then your above statement also applies to him. If your answer is not Moses, then you are a liar. Finally Jesus called Himself the Son of Man that was revealed in Daniel 7:13,Does son of man mean "begotten" son of God? and said he will seat at the right hand of God like was written in Psalm 110:1.You have to quote in full, so we can differentiate between Jesus' words and the words of anonymous individuals. Also, I hope you know there's something like a right hand man. It doesn't mean you become glued to the right side of the person you are hand to. In John 10:33 after Jesus said He and the father are one,Someone has quoted this one to me before. He was saying that they are one in that no one can remove the sheep from God's hand, and his hand too. Also, they are one in that whatever Jesus preached, was from God. Doesn't mean they are one in essence. You claim he spoke in parables, yet, when you have an opportunity to manipulate the words, you take the meaning plainly. christians. the Jews accused Him of making himself equal with God. Note that Jesus never denied it.OK. I could give you more verses but I am late to churchIf giving instructions in a step by step format is changing one's mind. |
ilynem:This is a simple statement. During the time of Jesus (peace be upon him) he was the above. Now, you tell me I'm wrong. Before Jesus (peace be upon him) was Moses (peace be upon him), right or wrong? Moses commanded the people to pray as he did, fast, or whatever God commanded, right or wrong? Whoever obeyed, was on the right path, to God, and whoever disobeyed, strayed from truth, right or wrong? So, with the above, it can be said that Moses (peace be upon him) in his time was also the way, truth and life, and no one went to God except through him). But now, it is the time of Muhammad (peace be upon him), and if you do not believe in his teachings, you have also strayed from the path. This is simple and has nothing to do with divinity. Please, let's be reasonable. And how do you explain abrogations in the Koran?This is simple. When God sends down a new ruling concerning a matter, such that it overrides the previous one, you have an abrogation. For example, God prohibited drinking of alcohol in steps. First, He allowed it, but commanded the Muslims that when they were drunk, they should abstain from prayer. Later, God disallowed it totally by revealing another verse, commanding total abstainance from taking alcohol, hence, the second verse abrogated the first. |
analice107:Thank you for this question, but I hope you are here to learn. You are talking about the narration where it was said that a sheep ate a piece of leaf on which a verse of the Quran was written. Let's look at the problem with this narration; Something similar was narrated by Yahya ibn Sa'eed Al Ansaari and Imam Maalik (may Allah be pleased with them), but these narrations never mentioned anything of a sheep eating anything. But the only narration which contains that is the narration of Muhammad ibn Ishaq. An odd hadith is one in which a trustworthy narrator differed with that which was narrated by other trustworthy narrators who were more accurate than him in the narration or were greater in number. This is a sound academic principle, because how can one narrator have additional wording in a hadith that others also narrated from the original narrators, when the latter are greater in number, more accurate in memory and narration, and of higher status in knowledge of hadith? Why didn’t they also narrate this additional or different material? Also, Muhammad ibn Ishaq has been criticized by many scholars of hadith. Here's some wordings of some hadeeth scholars; Hanbal ibn Ishaaq said: I heard Abu ‘Abdullah say: The narration of Ibn Ishaaq cannot be used as proof. ‘Abdullah ibn Ahmad said: He – i.e., Ahmad ibn Hanbal – did not use his reports as evidence when discussing what is Sunnah. Ayyoob ibn Ishaaq said: I asked Ahmad ibn Hanbal: O Abu ‘Abdullah, if Ibn Ishaaq is the only narrator of the hadith, will you accept it? He said: No, by Allah, for I have seen him putting together the words of many narrators in a single hadith, and not separating the narration of one person from that of another. So you can already see that Ibn Ishaq's hadith are questionable. Also, the narration no way questions the Qur'an's infallibility because when a verse was revealed it was memorized, such that if a goat had eaten a verse of the Quran there would certainly had been other copies, because it was already know by heart. So, if you are truthful, you would see that the Qur'an is complete and preserved, perfectly, as Allah has said in the Qur'an, concerning it's preservation. And Allah knows best. Salaam. |
Amberon:OK. Excuse you, it is not hasty generalisation to say muslims are terrorist.Then I guess it's also not hast generalization to say Christians are biased, and full of bigotry towards Islam. It is the cold truth that you love to hide. Enough of the politicall coreectness. 99% of the terrorist attacks throughout last year were done by muslims in the name of islam.Ya. Just like your Christian brothers in the Kkk, Lords resistance army, Army of God, etc are doing theirs. It is only an idiot that believe you Muslims are peaceful. We don't fall for that scam anymore.OK. Do you know that over 13% of Nigerian Muslims are boko haram apologists? That is 11.7 million people who support boko haram openly. And you wonder why Boko haram keeps growing everyday.Oh! People supporting boko haram "openly"? Well, I'm not your government, who should be sanctioning such behaviour. But this is just another baseless claim, because I haven't come across anyone openly supporting boko haram. Besides, if your mind was not filled with hatred and bias towards Islam, you would see that the so-called boko haram also kill Muslims, in fact, majority of Northerners are Muslims, so, if the bombings are taking place in the north, who gets hurt more?, who gets killed more? Obviously, it's the Muslims. Please, let's be reasonable. Go and read those verses and you quoted and you'll know they were prescribed during war with enemies. You Muslims kill at will because Mohammed prescribed killing for you. [/s] |
ilynem:Absolutely. And how can you be sure that the Koran is the word of God?Countless reasons. For a book to be the word of God, it must satisfy some criteria, of which are; *It must not attribute to God, anything against his nature. *It should not attribute to any created being, anything which pertains only to God. *No part should contradict another. By these standards, only the Quran is fitting. These are some of the very few reasons, sir. And you say it is complete sir, so why do you need the Hadiths?The Qur'an is the pure word of God, nothing less. The hadith is the teachings of the prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him). Also, it tells us when, where and under what circumstances the verses of the Quran were revealed, such that with this information, one will not apply for example, a verse revealed in a time of war, in conditions of peace. So, in Islam, the word of God is kept pure, and separate from words of the prophet (peace be upon him), or other persons. |
Amberon:Yes we do Jesus commanded us to have one wife,Haven't seen that in my Qur'an. But, how about you show me in your bible. you people marry four.Nope. What you should say is that we can marry up to four. Meaning that 1, 2, or 3 is allowed also. Anyway, that is the command of God, so, who am I to disagree. Jesus commanded us to love everyone but you people hate Christians and Jews and kill them everyday.Another biased fellow, generalizing a whole nation with a .001%. And let's not go into christian violence. You claim to follow Jesus but do not believe Jesus very own words that He is the son of God.Please, where did Jesus (peace be upon him say that), even in your bible. You claim to follow Jesus, yet, in your bible, it is evident that he washed his hands and feet, and bowed in prayer to God. Do you do that? Of course not. This is something he did, yet you ignore, but one man tells you he saw Christ by the right side of God, on his way to Damascus, and you should worship Jesus, as God, and you immediately believe him. Please, let's be reasonable here. If the bible is corrupted, pls provide the original one that is not corrupted.We do not need the original one, because we have the Qur'an, confirming the injeel which was revealed before it. Your bible has some part of the injeel, other parts are lost. But whatever is in your bible, which the Quran affirms, can be taken as truth by the Muslims, if not, then it's a fabrication. If it is corrupt why do you still pick verses from it?That's where you misunderstand. The Quran is perfect and complete. But you don't believe it. So, how can I use something you don't believe to convince you? So, by using your bible against you, since it's your bible, you cannot disagree, so that, you begin to see that Islam is the only true way to God. It's just like you are trying to use the bible, which I don't believe in to convince me, it won't work, especially when you are showing me something, like Paul calling Jesus God, yet, God says something else in the Quran, like; Jesus, son of Mary was not more than a messenger, and other messengers were sent before him. |
Fukai:Brother, you should calm down with these claims you make. "Muhammad himself enslaved and castrated Africans" I wonder what evidence you have to back this claim, especially the bolded statement. |
OLAADEGBU:The word "bible" is not even in the bible, let alone the Qur'an. 2. Scientific inaccuracies.Please make claims based on evidence. 4. The Quran borrowed from Christian forgeries.That's a very impressive claim there. 5. Muhammad allowed his scribes to make changes to the Quran.Evidence? http://reasonsforjesus.com/6-big-reasons-why-islam-is-false/As expected. When you quote from a site of bigotry, only lies and misinformation results. |
You should untag Muslims from your post because we don't believe in human beings being created in the image of God. In fact, God says in Quran 112 قل هو الله احد ١ الله الصمد ٢ لم يلد ولم يو لد ٣ ولم يكن له،كفوا احد ٤ Which translates to 1. Say; He Allah is one. 2. Allah the eternal and absolute 3. He does not beget nor is He begotten 4. There is none like HimWith emphasis on the bold, your theory doesn't hold in Islam. The creation of God is nothing like Him. Cc: Horus |
alBHAGDADI:The end justifies the means right? His saying was that it was not yet time to for the gentiles do be ministered to. He had to first minister to the Israelites first before it would be time for the gentiles. Even at that, he still healed the gentile woman's child. When he resurrected, he made the below statement.Lack of intelligence. Then your cousin must be an slowpoke to still be playing with dolls at 20yrs.Then 90% of ladies must be "slowpokes". What a shame. Deny the truth as much as you want. Well, I believe you just said that as a way of lying to defend Islam's barbarism. Keep it up.OK. Since I was born, I ever never seen a sexually matured 6yr or 9yr old girl. Pls, stop lying to defend Islam.Seems English is your problem. How could you have seen? Did you live in the 7th century? or in such early periods, or even in the early 19th century? As for consent, what can a 6yr or 9yr old know about marriage and sex for her to give her consent?I should ask you that question. You claimed she was immature, yet she knew she lost her virginity? How'd she know that if she was a "baby"? If you, as old as you are, jokingly tell a 6yr old that she's your wife, she will either reject it or shy away from you. That's cos she finds it repugnant to be present with marital life, talk less of sex.Why will I call anyone at all my wife when she isn't? Anyway, an equivalent in this age will have to be older in numerical age. Why do you think Muslim dominated northern Nigeria has a huge case of polio, crippled and blind people? It's because of their men always getting married to girls below 14yrs old, girls who ought to still be under their parents. These girls end up giving birth to weak children with poor bones cos they themselves are still babies who ought not to be in the business of child bearing cos they are not matured for such.Then go and educate them. Islam doesn't support such, cause it's obvious the girls lack maturity. Na wah o.I don't anyone who got married to a new born baby. But just so you know, -Saint Augustine -350AD Married a 10 year old -King Richard II -1400AD Married a 7 year old -Henry VIII -1500AD Married a 6 year old -Please read your bible, Numbers 31:17-18 -According to catholic encyclopedia, "Mary the mother of Jesus was 12 when she married 99 year old Joseph" -Before 1929, church of England ministers could marry 12 year olds in Britain. -Before 1983, Catholic canon law permitted priests to marry off brides at the age of 12. -In United states, in the state of Delaware in 1880, the minimum age for marriage was 7 years old, and in California, it was 10 years. -Even now, the marriage age for some states are; 12 in Massachusetts 13 in New Hampshire 14 in New York You want me to waste my time flipping through the pages of that boring book? Even if I do, you will still call whatever verse i fish out not to be the authentic Hadith. No wah for una o.Nice one. Using the fallacy of assumption to avoid an unfavorable argument. You mean 6yr old girls use to have hot steaming sex in Mohammad's days?Hmm. From the way you say "hot steaming sex", seems like you've been reading your bible thoroughly. You liars will still claim it's not an authentic hadithYou obviously have nothing to say. She must have been told by her mother or someone about what happened to her when Mohammad inserted his BIG cork in her. Her bleeding must have driven curiosity.The same mother who prepared her for marriage? If old age affected the writing of Bukhari, then it means all the other "good" things he wrote about Mohammad are also wrong. Perhaps, Aisha was 3yrs old when Mohammad inserted his joystick in her. Who knows?Isn't a joystick supposed to be used for playing games on a computer? Congrats man. I never expected you'll have this much in depth knowledge of your bible. Pls, stop lying through your Al taquiya teeth.Well, you stop lying through your holy spirit filled/controlled mouth. Only little children play with dolls.OK. That means 90% of women are little children. That's interesting. Mohammad even saw a new born baby girl and swore that if he was still alive by the time she grew, he would marry her. He was in his late 50's then.Without evidence, you've said nothing. You are oneI'm not even close to being a scholar of Islam. Perhaps you might be talking about your referred Paul. He clearly practiced Al taqiyya in your bible, yet he was filled with the holy spirit. I wonder what kind of spirit your "holy spirit" is. Corinthians 9:19-23. Every hadith that exposes Mohammad is regard as not authentic. No wah oWhat do you even know that hadith means. Hadith are the sayings of Muhammad (peace be upon him). If it's the saying of someone else, without reference to Muhammad (peace be upon him) as the origin, it's not a hadith. Any hadith that is not authentic is not. He Now decided to marry his son's ex wife. What a dirty old man.First, adopted son. Second, it was an injunction from God that made him change his mind. But before you say anything stupid, read this; "corrupt men among you are leading their fellow citizens astray by saying, ‘Let us go worship other gods’—gods you have not known before. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find that the report is true and such a detestable act has been committed among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the open square and burn it. Burn the entire town as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a large nation, just as he swore to your ancestors. The LORD your God will be merciful only if you listen to his voice and keep all his commands that I am giving you today, doing what pleases him." (Deut 13:13-18) Isn't it an abomination for father and son to share the same woman?Perhaps you don't know what it means to share. Go and check your dictionary. With so many women in the world, it was his adopted son's ex wife he deemed fit to marry because he saw her unclothedness. Shame!You really should be ashamed of yourself. I asked you for evidence, you brought non. "he saw her unclothedness"? I guess the holy spirit is so powerful in making people tell lies. Even more interesting. did zaid open his mouth to tell you he had accomplished his want of her?Did he tell you he hadn't? You are too desperate. Take a deep breath and calm your nerves. If you've done that, then refer above to the hadith you quoted, you'll see it. It was your quote, not mine. I bet you that it was Mohammad that fabricated that verse so he could have the womanCome on man, are you this desperate? I'm sorry I can't feel or share in your pain. I've never had this kind of desperation, so, I don't know what you are going through. Really sorry dude. Of course, am not a gigolo like MohammadLemme help you rephrase that; "you are not even up to a quarter of a man like the holy prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) is". How did Mohammad provide for a 40yr old Rich and entrepreneur woman whom Mohammad was an employee toThere are certain things only a man can provide. In such a society, as the Arab society, before the advent of Islam, an unmarried business woman will not have as much respect as she would if she had a husband, considering that women were subjugated. Also, she proposed the marriage, not the other way round. The woman needed no protectorYou never know. Perhaps she did. I guess Mohammad was just her gigolo whom she later had to marry cos his joystick must have been sweetNice one. Continue your bible study. You are making incredible progress. gibberish. What's the essence of this concocted write up?Let's just say, to show you that lying doesn't get you anywhere. Go back and read, perhaps you might know what it's for. You show me where finance was mentioned in the verseSeriously? I quoted the verse for you, and you gave the reply above; " gibberish. What's the essence of this concocted write up?" Now you are repeating the question. It is only a pervert that will think that a woman's beauty will hinder his prayer. Note, Mohammad didn't talk of distraction, but hindrance or imperfection of prayerI'm not surprised you can't understand this. Muslims don't sing, clap or make noise as prayer. The prayer of a Muslim requires as minimal disturbance as possible, because it's not just physical, but spiritual. One has to focus on every point of the prayer, like a mind-body connection, else it will be void. So, the distraction of a woman passing a praying man's front, in such a way that she is in his view, is unexpected, and could take him off guard. Here's the scenario. In the mosques, there is a demarcation between the men and women, such that they do not even see, talkless of mix. So, a praying man will not be expecting a woman to pass his front, and even the thought of; "what is she doing here" for example will render the prayer imperfect, because it's a distraction, and distractions in prayer cause imperfection of the prayer. So, how come women and men pray on the same mosques? Why not kick the woman out? Or is that it's only the ugly ones that are permitted to pray in your mosques?Women and men are separated. Then it means that the god of the Quran is different from the God of the bibleThat depends on you. I worship my creator, my creator created you. If you don't worship him, who/what do you worship? No wonder Muslims can't say YAHWEH is great in their mosques and mecca.I don't know what Yahweh means, God didn't reveal the name in the last and final revelation, the Quran. So, it can just be a fabrication. Quran 4:11Interesting that you quoted this. Now everyone knows you are a liar. You said in your previous post that Islam doesn't allow inheritance for women. What a shame! Mohammad was a false prophetYet he has over 1.6billion of the world as followers, and your "truthful" bible couldn't say anything about such a great "false" prophet. |
dragunov:Speak intelligently and sensibly or you will be ignored. Tired of see all this ludicrousness. |
[quote author=KingGBsky post=54306317][/quote]Another unintillengent dude visits the thread. When you start talking, or texting sensibly, I might just consider a conversation with you. |
plainbibletruth:We have the Qur'an, from Allah, perfect and free from error. We have man made (written by people) hadith of the prophet, some proven to be authentic, some good, some weak and others fabricated. Unfortunately the incongruity in these books makes for what can be described in one word as – CHAOS!You still failed to show any "incongruity". To try to make a way out of the illogicality you are confronted with you must yourself become illogical.Typical of most Christians I've come across on NL And so, even when, for example, a verse in the quran or any of the other books is clear in MEANING, as long as it does not conform to popular Islamic worldview, a new “meaning” must be given to that verse in order to make it conform to the accepted Islamic viewpoint.Another baseless claim The disagreements even amongst yourselves muslims can be traced to this very root.OK. Congrats. Now, one of the verses I pointed you to – Q. 3:45 – should ordinarily appear to be simple to understand – “O Mary, indeed Allah gives you …..whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary – distinguished in this world and the hereafter…”I'm beginning to think English is the problem here. Did I ever disagree with that? My point is that he is all that, but a messenger and nothing more. Is English that hard? It is only a person who in the face of clear evidence here about the meaning of these words and the UNIQUENESS of Jesus Christ here and still wants to believe otherwise, will seek another interpretation that is meant to make him stick to what he wants to believe rather than what that portion says.Ok It is this same warped thinking that made you as a muslim say “we make no distinction between ANY of the prophets”Ok yet still turn around the very next moment to say “Well, who’s better to be followed, than the best?”That's where you are wrong. All prophets and messengers are the best of their time. Just like during the time of Moses, David, Jesus (peace be upon them), they were the best, so also is Muhammad (peace be upon him) the best of this time. So, right here you are making “distinction”, because you have decided or chosen to follow one prophet rather than another. And in all these it still does not even occur to you that you’re contradicting yourself.Read above You muslims must turn to illogicality then in order to try and untangle yourselves from the inconsistencies and contradictions in the quran.Funny statement from a guy who knows that the Quran is from God, directly, hence, it's perfect, yet his bible contains words of God, prophet, unfortunately, historians and some aspect which a grown man would be ashamed to mention. If you are talking inconsistencies and contradictions, please go read your bible, there's a ton of them there. You can IGNORE facts but the facts still remain.Salaam |
alBHAGDADI:OK Christians have not retaliated to the killings of Fulani herdsmen in southern Kaduna. It's not as if there are no Fulani in Christian dominated southern Nigeria that they can kill an well. They turned the other cheek by still doing business with the.Not justifying their acts, but when your Christian eastern brothers where doing their cattle rustling and depriving the poor people of their business, it wasn't a bad thing. Don't be biased and one sided. Pls, don't make me go onplease do. It is better to have a law that promotes perfection, even when many won't be able to fully abide by it, than having a law that gives room for imperfection which can breed more imperfect practices.To cut the long story short, God Almighty (in Islam) understands his creation, and as such, in face of adversity, makes something haraam, halal, unlike God (in Christianity) who doesn't understand his creation and seeks pleasure in seeing them die, even when it can be avoided simply, like my brother udatso said. Just in case you don't know, in Islam, actions are judged according to intentions, hence, what you do will be judged according to your intention for doing it. And the verse is very clear, that as long as you still have faith (belief) in your heart, then, there is no sin on you. Lastly, you Christians are greatly biased. Did your own god not permit sin, when he sent a part of himself to commit suicide to erase your sins? Please, for someone like you, there should be more humility from you, considering that your bible almost always disagrees with you. Don't come here making such astonishing claims, neglecting those that are far worse in your bible. If you have a problem with God understanding his creation, then you better start explaining the sense behind your god coming down to commit suicide for your sins. So, if I'm to address you according to your topic, it will be; Christians and Muslims, is commiting suicide a good thing? |
alBHAGDADI:I said; "if it's the same one I read", because there's one where he hesitated, telling the woman to go away. A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.” 23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” 24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” 25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said. 26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” This passage reveals two things. Apart from his treatment of the woman, he said he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, which does not include you. So, you better start thinking, because Jesus (peace be upon him) said he didn't come for you. Unless you are saying that he was lying, or practicing Al taqiyya (concealing one's true intentions), in order to mislead people. And want was her faith? Her faith was that she would get healed if she just managed to touch the hell of his clothe. Guess what happened when she touched his clothe? Yahshua noticed that power had gone out from his bodyIt is simple. "It is your faith that healeth thee". Meaning that even faith in a false deity can work miracles. Had it been he didn't make a suggestion that whoever has no son should throw the first stone, that woman would have been killed. So, you see, He saved her.I didn't say he didn't. Luke 7:38Ok Mohammad is not the light of the world, except you want to tell me that the light you are talking about is terrorism, take, pedophilia and slavery. Yahshua the Messiah is the light of the worldO People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book. (Quran 5:15) Yes, it can take place at any age. But for a 54yr old man to marry a 6yr old girl? That's a no no for sane minds.On what basis? Be sincere with yourself, do you think 9yr old Aisha, a girl who was still playing with dolls and had no knowledge of sex, really consented to having sex with mohammad, a 54yr old wrinkled man?If playing with dolls is your problem here, then I should tell you that even my cousin who is 20 plays with dolls, there are mature women who play with dolls, that's not an issue. So says a muslim who will reject it if a 54yr old man comes for his 6yr old daughter. Or will you agree to give your daughter out at garbage and to answer old man?Seems like you didn't learn anything. Before I can accept, some conditions, according to Islam must be satisfied; First and most importantly, she must be matured mentally and physically (regardless of numerical age). You should know that in recent times, that maturity doesn't come early, except in some exceptions. So, it's not the numerical age that is considered, but the mental and physical maturity. Second, consent. Third, if the first two are in place, then there is no big deal. It's only being difficult for you to grasp because in present times, people do not mature early. I'm sure you do not know that in time past, women could reach menopause in their late 30s to early 40s. can you quote a hadith verse that shows that?The question should go to you. You want to desperately prove that the marriage is wrong, so, show us where the pagans objected to the marriage, if it was indeed wrong. You mean a 6 to 9yr old is mature for marriage and sex? No wah for muslims o.Maybe not common in recent times, but it was in times past. That's pedophilia.That's your business She narrated those hadiths when she had come of age and Mohammad had died, not when she was still a toddler. Guess what? She narrated how he use to out his manhood between her 6yr old thighs then ejaculate'. Bad guyBring the evidence from authentic sources. Liar!First of all, even from your post, you've stabbed yourself. Because, according to what you've said, if she was a child, how come she knew what virginity was, and how come she knew she had lost it, or what it meant to lose it. Also, I said that some scholars say that the old age of the compiler could have affected it, or was it Aisha ( radiallahu anha) that compiled bukhari? But I also said that the point is debatable, just like that of her age is. Does a 16yr old girl okay with dolls?.Girls older than that play with dolls. Were the Al taquiya scholars even born then?I don't know any "Al taqiyya" scholars. ReadRefer above Then give your 6yr old daughter to a wrinkled old man.Refer above Oh, evidence that Mohammad was poisoned?Go back and see what I asked evidence for. Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Apostle .So? Below is an evidence that Mohammad married his adopted son's wife.First, I asked you to show evidence from authentic sources that Muhammad (peace be upon him) saw her unclothedness and fell for her, like you claimed in your previous post with many lies. Second, at the time he married her, she was no longer his adopted son's wife, but as you would call it, his ex wife. Third, you can see clearly that he refused her initially. Fourth, it was a divine indication that your adopted son is not the same as your son. There is no prohibition on marrying your adopted son's ex wife, but that prohibition is there, if it's your biological son. According to the above Qur’anic verses, AllahAnother lie. "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her", do I need to tell you what that means? So, Mohammad was the only single man on earth then right?I'm pretty sure you'll not even want to marry a widow older than you. How come this hadith is authentic and every other hadith that shows how cute Mohammad was are not authentic?What's this one saying? So, Mohammad was the only man on earth then, right?Maybe, considering that only very few people will be willing to marry widows, to protect and provide for them, as they'll see them as burdens. That verse spoke nothing of finance. Stop using Al taquiyaLiar! Why won't you say that when you didn't read the verse just the usual copy and paste. "O you who have believed, when you contract a debt for a specified term, write it down. And let a scribe write [it] between you in justice. Let no scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him. So let him write and let the one who has the obligation dictate. And let him fear Allah , his Lord, and not leave anything out of it. But if the one who has the obligation is of limited understanding or weak or unable to dictate himself, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her. And let not the witnesses refuse when they are called upon. And do not be [too] weary to write it, whether it is small or large, for its [specified] term. That is more just in the sight of Allah and stronger as evidence and more likely to prevent doubt between you, except when it is an immediate transaction which you conduct among yourselves. For [then] there is no blame upon you if you do not write it. And take witnesses when you conclude a contract. Let no scribe be harmed or any witness. For if you do so, indeed, it is [grave] disobedience in you. And fear Allah . And Allah teaches you. And Allah is Knowing of all things." (Qur'an 2:282) Please, tell me that is not a financial matter, and I'll tell you who a colossal liar is. Still makes no difference.I thought you were smart. The fact that a woman would cause distraction to a praying man, because of her beauty, and the fact that an animal would cause distraction to a praying man, because of it's animal nature, or smell do not equate the woman and dog in essence. You have been told that the beauty of the woman would distract the man, just like I said of beauty and beast, and you are saying she is unclean? The Quran is not the bible bro. The fact that everything natural that happens to a woman such as child bearing and menstruation are said to make a woman unclean, for days, in the bible, doesn't mean that such is present in Islam. Stop trying to distort the hadith Is that where you copied this garbage from?There is no where in Islamic law that a woman is not entitled to inheritance. You said so, and I proved you a liar. He probably thought he could add her to the list of his wives if he survived. Bad sexy guyNow, you've proved that you lack maturity. What a shame! |
udatso:Of course. The dawah must continue, in order to spread the truth of Islam. It's left for them to accept it or not. But definitely, it will testify against them, and testify for us on the day of judgement, In shaa Allah |

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