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LordReed:
You've not even heard what the framework is yet you say I plagiarized it from your unsubstantiated god. You must be displaying more of that unthinking.

Kinky read the statement you made earlier and reflect on this nonsense you are now saying

More like an idolatry park

Only God knows why things like this keep happening in Nigeria.

LordReed:
I never said I was determining the morality of all humans. Calling me shallow for thinking of my morality is very rich coming from someone who unthinkingly accepts a moral framework from an unsubstantiated being.

An unsubstantiated Being who you steal from but won't admit openly? Wow....nice way to plagiarize content and call it your own.

O God, for every Nigerian that dies in the regime of Muhammadu Buhari, remove one day from his life.

Kings999:
you mentioned atheist on my thread, and don't forget salvation is for everyone.
you are only pained by the truth.

I am pained by your self-delusion interpretation of truth. Which probably stemmed from malnourishment as a child.

IgbohoSunday:
Go to the super market, do your shopping by buying only made in Nigeria. When u get home, check the States they are manufactured.

Oga, I have seen tonnes of stuff manufactured elsewhere. So don't use that to claim development is happening in that conglomeration of hamlets you call South-west.

You are a dreamer who is taking too many hallucinogenic substances. The only part of South-west that sees (and will see) any form of industrialization is Lagos, and that is because of the seaport there. All other states are just stop-overs for passangers to eat ewedu and Amala in peace.

The stupidity of this government is becoming clearer by the day. But let me sit back and watch what this illiterate will do with Buhari's al-majiri Gestapo

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Kings999:
a scientist said their is no God, He went to the space and see the thing God created, he saw the moon, the star, the sun and the planet. and all this thing was arranged in a perfect way.

He asked his self if their is no God who would have arranged this things here.

my message to the atheist is no one created himself and the animals didn't create their selves. all this things was created by God.

[/s] You are talking out of context oga. How does this rubbish you have written connect to Christians on this forum not having their own room? Next time talk within the lines of the topic

LordReed:
From my rationale. The framework is the standard.

I do not understand. So you just used your own framework as a standard for human morals ? Wow...that is pretty shallow

LordReed:
Now you framed a proper question.

I can justify why something is good or bad to me because I have an objective framework with which I can gauge actions. And by objective I mean goal oriented not absolutes.

The " objective framework" comes from where? What exact standard are you using to asses and measure?

LordReed:
I still don't understand what you mean.

Oga, kindly tell us why you think you can justify when something is good is bad. That is the question

LordReed:
I don't understand why you are asking me for assumptions.

I call them assumptions because they are not provable...or are they?

AsherAmari:
In order words, christians should share the same worship ground together with other religions or what exactly is your point? Since we shouldn't have our own section.

I was wondering the same thing. Some Christians here are worse than atheist

LordReed:
What do you mean?

You said you can justify why you consider something good or bad. So I said, " let us hear your assumptions '.

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Kings999:
Hi Everyone,

when we talk about God we talk about love,
as a Christian don't condemn anyone and don't judge anyone.
love your enemies and also pray for them, our Lord Jesus is our savior. when we talk about Jesus Christ we talk about salvation and righteousness.
we don't have to allow people to take an oath to accept Jesus Christ as savior and son of God.
we don't have to force them to believe in Christ, to accept Jesus Christ and the God of Abraham who sent him to the world to save mankind, you will have to accept him with all your heart.

even if you are condemned and persecuted as a true christian and born again, keep preaching the gospel to the world, tell the world how amazing and wonderful our Lord Jesus Christ is. as long as Jesus have not condemned you no one in this world or in the next world to come will have to power to condemn you.

salvation is free, preach about salvation to the unbeliever.
Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life,

everyone is allowed to accept Jesus Christ as his/her personal savior with all his heart.

A man said to the preacher man, now I have accepted Jesus Christ what are my rules and regulations, what time should i pray and what are the laws to be doing to serve him, the preacher man looked at him and smile and said to him Jesus Christ have paid for your depth. the man was surprised and asked the preacher man what do you mean that Jesus has paid my depth I'm not owing anyone, the preacher man said to him Jesus have paid your depth with his body and blood. the preacher man said to him go home and pray to God anything. you are saved and share the good news to everyone.

Jesus still lives today and forever.

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LordReed:
No I didn't steal from your god because I am morally better than your god.

Yes I can justify why I consider something good or bad.

Let us hear your assumptions

LordReed:
False. I repeat I am an atheist and I have a moral standard so you are patently wrong. Stop saying things you know nothing about.

Did you steal from God to get those moral standards? Let me ask you a question : as a self-proclaimed atheist, can you possibly justify why something is good and something is bad?

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LordReed:
I am judging him by his own standards. I'm an atheist and I have standards, I dunno where you heard that atheists don't have standards.

[/s] Atheist do not have any known moral standards and this is a known fact.

hiddendude:
I did point out that I believe in an objective moral standard. Immanuel Kant believed same but according to him, morals take root in intellect. To know what is moral according to him, is to envision what it would be like for an action to be universalized and if it produces a conceptual contradiction, then it isn't moral. He states this formally as:

"Act only according to that maxim by which you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law without contradiction"

Take stealing as an example. If one has the urge to steal, they should first consider the maxim of stealing (i.e the rule behind the concept of stealing or what stealing assumes or presupposes). Stealing is a concept that presupposes that there is such a thing as a private or personal property and if one intends to make a thing their own by illegally obtaining it, then they're universalizing stealing (saying there is no such thing as private property) and if there cannot be private property, there cannot be such a thing as stealing because it begs the idea of private property to be a thing. Hence, stealing is self-contradictory and cannot be moral.



This way Kant said, we'd realize moral truths without God. The objective moral standard in this case, is logic or intellect.

Ps: Kant actually believed in God.

Kant was just assuming. Because there is no justifiable reason for why something is good or bad. In essence, the abilty to discern right from wrong stem from the heart of every individual on this earth irrespective of intellectual prowess, religious affiliation or tribal allegiance. Which bring the question : how then can you know that what you are doing is right or wrong?

But from my perspective, we knowing right from wrong comes from a standard higher than us(which happens to be God's nature). This standard comes from something outside our humanity.

LordReed:
Yes, he wanted human sacrifice. This your powerful god that likes the smell of death.

According to what standard are you judging God? Because the last time I checked , atheist do not have a standard.

I would suggest you get a cat but know this : cats can be nuisances once they mature and will tend to prey on other smaller domestic animals. So consider carefully


Peace

The pot is boiling . Soon and very soon, even the soldiers will start running ; and there will be no hiding place for the political elite

There has always been an agenda, but many Nigerians were too stupid to see through the signs all becuase of greed and wickedness. But I thank my God for what is happening. Sooner or later, those who supported this government will soon be on the receiving end of things

Dtruthspeaker:
And this is where All Atheists fall for it is God Who Has the Best, Highest and Unbeatable Standard of Morality!

In Morality, God is the World Champion!

True talk.

hiddendude:
While I agree that there is an objective standard for morality, there are other moral theories that do not beg the existence of God.

1. The Categorical Imperatives put forth by the philosopher Immanuel Kant, precludes God as a dictator of morals. It is derived from various formulations that are quite intuitive. The most popular of the four formulations that make up the categorical imperatives are the principle of Universalizability and the formulation on humanity.


2. Utilitarianism also precludes God. It grounds morals on the desire for happiness and the achievement of the ultimate good.

3. Contractarianism is a theory that claims that morality doesn't exist in nature but it is borne out of the need to survive in a harsh world. Moral codes exist according to the specific needs of an era according to this theory.

Except you are in denial, there is an objective standard for morality. And if there is no objective standard, then how can we be sure that what we are doing in society is right?

Image123:
Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

God bless you for this!

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hiddendude:
Actually, if there were no God there might still be atheists. Atheism is a response to the belief in God or claims about God and not a response to the existence of God. There are atheists because there are people who believe in God and talk about said God.

PS: I believe in God but I had to drop this because your reasoning is flawed.

[/s] Atheist steal from God. The moral standards they claim to have originate from God. Or do atheist have a moral standard by which they operate on?