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TAO11:
Let me know when any scholar identifies the Ogane as an Igbo King. You seem to be quickly forgetting what your actual home-work really is.

And for the umpteenth time, Adam Knobler, just like anyone else, simply echoed the already established conclusion of ethnographic/historical scholarship. Please stop pretending to be dyslexia and autistic.

The following are some of the names you should, at a go, be replacing Knobler’s with going forward if you really want to go that route:

Stoll 1902:161-166; Roth 1903:6n1; Marquart 1913:52; Talbot 1926:1:155-156, 281-282, 3:573; Schurhammer 1928:28-30; Bradbury 1964:151, Paula Marti 1960:63, Mauny 1961:182; Akinjogbin 1967:41-43; Ryder 1969: 31; Law 1973:17-19; Willett 1973:137-138; Obayemi 1976:247; Horton 1979; Bondarenko 2003; Akintoye 2010:141-142.

Good luck to you.

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Ogane came from an easterly direction , A very early Igbo king

TAO11:
Of course, several kingdoms lie to the East including up to Cameroon and beyond.

So your assignment is to identify one scholar (just one) who goes against historical scholarship to identify the Ogane as an Igbo king. That is the home work I gave you.

Good luck boy.

But why did you attempt to show us with concorted fables of East being west? and bringing sunrise into the argument.....you will make a good scammer....chai

TAO11:
Lol. I perfectly understand how you feel.

But my job to present fact in an ocean of confusion is verifiably done.

You present Lies and half truths as facts , Fraud historian,

Ogane had nothing to do with IFE

Ogane ruled from the east of Bini.....The Europeans summarily dismissed the Ooni as a possible candidate

MinorityOpinion:
You are incoherent and repetitive, ogane was not igbo priest or king! Peace

Was that why you wanted to make East west? Just so the Ogane can be from Ife?.... Yoruba history is based on Dubiousness

BabaRamota1980:
The incident reported as oghene in East was chronicled on the submission by a Portuguese man who was with the Oba when he rose to offer prayer and adulation to his ancestors in Ife. The ritual observed was that thr Oba faced looked out the window facing East, the Sun.
If the Sun rose from South, he would have faced South. So separate the act of veneration from the ritual of worship.

When muslims in Benin pray they face East where Sun rises. Same protocol. Abi Mohammed is an Iboman?


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Tao11
Minorityopinion
Legendhero
Metaphysical

You lies are brazen , Slow down with contortions, Ogane was eastward from Bini ,there was no mention of Sunrise anywhere bros, IFE is clearly the opposite way to the west why y'all lying through your teeth without shame? , The Europeans clearly discarded the idea of Ooni as the Ogane

OfoIgbo:
MinorityOpinion, I won't be surprised if you were one of the Yoruba "intellectuals" supplying Knobler with the incontrovertible details he needed to change EAST to WEST

Nwanne it was epic , east became west on Nairaland

MinorityOpinion:
Read the article I sent you, east of Benin, the gift that the messager collected from the ogane priest include Ogun (God of war of Yorubas) wand and others things related to Yorubas when the British sacked Benin Palace in 15th century. Read! Read! And stop saying nonsense historians that dedicated their lives to find that ogane kingdom couldn't pin point it.

So it's not IFE or Ketu again?.....why are you so erratic bros?, Stay one place

BabaRamota1980:
We call each other because we have different experts in specific areas and the joint collaboration is necessary to make sure we are consistent.

This one has arrived to beat chest with rubbish

stayclearofme:
I bet you are a graduate yet you spew this type of nonsense. Are there no rapist in every nook and crannies of the world? Which state are you from? Stupid set of tribalistic demons. Someone like you will be asking for Buhari's certificate! Fvck all you tribalists irrespective of your state! You all are the problem in this country

Tell your Brothers like Blowyourmind and co

MinorityOpinion:
Read my comment again Ife is older than Oyo. But Oyo is older than Nri

Chai!!, This one has gone mental , can you compare your age to your great grand father's?

MinorityOpinion:
Your system is simple enough for a chimpanzee to comprehend.

Even your Oba title is of NRi origin but that's a discussion for another day

MinorityOpinion:
And the person that carbon dated it said the calculations were wrong

Just like the Binis that said ogene is towards the far East? , If it doesn't favour you it's wrong

MinorityOpinion:
My assertion still remain, although they was Eze Nri and aro but kingship system is strange in igbo land and even Igbo themselves have adage that says "igbo have no king" and tbh when lord lugard wanted to control the igboland, it seemed an impossible task as igbo don't have the kind of monarch system like Yoruba that unifies them, so he introduced Eze system to make the Eastern part easy to capture.

The IGBO traditional system of government is much too complicated for a simple mind like you to understand, don't even bother

MinorityOpinion:
your pic no support your argument, Ooni was saying igbos were part of the Yorubas at ile Ife then went ahead to create civilization using Yoruba knowledge in the South East, we are your origin, your history is not complete without mention us.

Igbos left from IFe yet their Artifacts is older than IFE by 500years , You are just arguing for the sake of argument, your Ooni has affirmed that yorubas are Igbo descendants

OfoIgbo:
Please always stick to your points.

You were claiming that it was Lugard that introduced eze to Igboland. I obliterated that assertion by you, by informing you of Eze Nri, Eze Aro e.t.c.
You still went on to claim that Igbos only had one royalty i.e the Eze Nri, and Hellraiser77 sodomised your point by showing you a picture of Eze Aro.

Now you are telling us that the Aro stool has just been around for 500 years. My question to you is this. Did Lugard teach the Aros the eze tradition 500 years ago?

He is not a student of history, He thinks it's about the usual Igbo Yoruba banter, To have this kind of arguement you must be passionate about history

MinorityOpinion:
This is getting boring Nri in 10th century < Oyo 6th century

You are too closed minded to assimilate new and uncomfortable information , IFE is not originally a yoruba settlement, it was Igbos

MinorityOpinion:
what is your obsession with 4 market days? I've spent 30min reading about this ogane(I swear the God)) no mention of Igbo speaking tribe or Nri. Let me burst your bubble historians couldn't pin point the exact kingdom of the this ogane then you with single digit IQ will tell us it Eze Nri gerrahere

Now they couldn't pinpoint the location? , I thought it was Ketu?.....Ogane remains an NRI king and this excavated Igbo ukwu burial chamber was from his line

BlowYourMind:
Ok

Won't you do tribalism again?.... Hypocritical ewedu dunce!!

Susu888:
How can this hunger stricken mofo even get an erection??

He should be seriously flogged daily in prison to keep him from raping a cell mate as from the looks of him ,dis one's konji is spiritual.

Your ewedu brothers always representing, coneheads

Susu888:
How can this hunger stricken mofo even get an erection??

He should be seriously flogged daily in prison to keep him from raping a cell mate as from the looks of him ,dis one's konji is spiritual.

Your ewedu brothers always representing, coneheads

Lipscomb:
Very hash

Its you Afonja brother I guess he should be patted on the back and congratulated

OfoIgbo:
TAO is just a moniker in nairaland.

Secondly, it was Benin people that described this kingdom to the Portuguese, not Yorubas.
To Benin people, East meant East. No scholar can upturn the observations of Portuguese explorers. This is the first time ever, that EAST has been twisted to mean the WEST.

Eze Nri Obalike already claimed that IDU was under the Nri influence, without being aware of the whole OGANE episode.

Personally, I know that the Nris were not even aware of this Portuguese note, up until about a year ago that I showed it to a high ranking historical personality.
I came across that website by accident, and the content confirmed what I have been hearing from our very traditional people, that Eze Nri was always contacted whenever a new Oba or Attah of Igala, was to be crowned. These our elders knew nothing of this Portuguese observation.
It's only a few Nri high-ranking personalities that know of this Portuguese recorded evidence, and they are not up to 5 in number.

People like Prof. Onwuejeogwu was not aware of this note even. Don't worry, very shortly the real KINGDOM IN THE EAST will make itself known.
And there is nothing TAO can do about it. Scholars will soon delve into this stuff, and obliterate all the lies and history-revisionism that ensued, because Nri has kept a low profile.

You will also need to come up with a way to obliterate the 4 market days, because it will come in handy, in your trying turn EAST to WEST.

NRI influence was far and wide, not militarily but through JuJu knowledge and cultural administration, Anybody that uses the four markets day has been under Nri cultural administration in the past, Even Etinosa agrees

LegendHero:
Professor Thurstan Shaw, the man who dated it said himself that:
“ Consideration is given to the arguments for a date later than that suggested by the radiocarbon dates”

That implies it can not be an earlier time so you better re-read the quote below to understand more.

No where did he say IFE "maybe" older than Nri bros, all this are just points for argument, but until further archeological findings and carbon datings are carried out, NRI is still more ancient than any other antique culture in Nigeria.....it's just a Google search away

rafindo:
Which one is 50,000km2 again abeg go back to your cartography before you spew nonseny. Even with anioma landmass and igboid group in rivers the land mass is not up to 42,000km2

Wow you must have evidence, I want to see it

Susu888:
No break ur neck @o.p cuz as many pointed out : no be by land mass na by resources. A land as barren as a desert with little mineral resources facing over population with a criminal,dishonest,selfish , poverty ridden savages as citizens has a dim future.
Unless they turn to the world largest drug market nd brothel little is expected.

When your Landmass argument has been rubbished you now turn to resources , Leave this goal post nah

MinorityOpinion:
You are a joker ifa is more complex than what your tribemen IQ can comprehend we gave you ifa and you water it down to nonsense afa or avwa whatever you call it

This is what Oduduwa came with to IFE, Yoruba people twisted it that he came down from heave with a chain and palm fruits, this is the real AFA divinition apparatus, The power of 4(ano)

MinorityOpinion:
Cry all you want Oyo is even older than Nri. Stay on your lane boy you are a joker.

Oyo > Nri

IFe is the bone of contention Oyo is irrelevant, NRI begat IFE

LegendHero:
This is why you Igbos always lose arguments, you don’t have facts with you and I wonder how your universities teach you guys over there.

You are the only set of people that argue without reference. Even in the face of glaring evidence, you will all still continue to parrot statements without subjecting it to critical evaluation.

My lecturer once told me that you need to have reference for any statements you give before your claim can be accepted in the academic environment.

The person that date the Igbo-Ukwu was the one that said the dating might be flawed and the reason was given. The researcher presented the evidence in prints.

Was the bronze dated by your Igwe? No right?

Now the person that dated them said they are subject of some doubt and here you are wasting your precious time reinforcing ridiculous claims.

Nawa for you guys.

I still doubt the authenticity of that but if I'm to accept it for two seconds he said "Dating might be flawed" right?.....of course it might be from a much earlier time, no where did he say anything in IFE was older than Igbo ukwu

MinorityOpinion:
Lol the Nri you are blabbing about was established in the 10th century while Oyo that is offshoot of Ife already had her 8th king in 14th century. That means the first king of Oyo will be in the 6th century. We no be una mate. Ife is older than you! our civilization is older than you.

Cc legendhero, Sammy07, ThatFairGuy, Etinosa1234, obalatule, babaramota1980

Cry Cry, there is a clear question mark there , They only started from ifuakuanim who is the earliest recorded NRI priest-king, Oyo is a grandchild of Igbos while iFe is the direct offspring ......I've noticed yeroba people feel so helpless alone that's why you keep calling your fellow ignoramus ...if you re convinced of your position why call help?

MinorityOpinion:
With the image and your comment, now I know you know nothing about ifa, it pain me I'm wasting time with someone that knows nothing about what he is badmouthing. Bye go online and read material on ifa.

lol, I know about all the divinitions of the southern Nigerian ethnicities , Your IFA was received from Igbos either through igala or Bini, I personally think its from igala

OfoIgbo:
Typical Yoruba revisionism.

Some years ago, out of jealousy, a Yoruba intellectual even claimed that Olaudah Equiano was not Igbo, in spite of the various Igbo words that Olaudah added to his biography, and the fact that Olaudah made it quite clear that he was from the EBOE country.

Now out of jealousy, they are claiming that Igbo-Nkwo bronze work is not older than Ife bronze work.
In which book did Thurstan Shaw claim that Ife bronze work is older than Igbo-ukwu bronze work? Please tell us which book he claimed that, and the page where this assertion can be found.

They are also claiming that EAST means WEST. So all of a sudden, EXPLORERs that sailed their ships, all the way to the Bight of Benin, no longer knew their EAST from WEST. The day that Yorubas can claim that Ife is to the East of Benin, is the day that this revisionism will start sounding a bit plausible.

Tomorrow, Yorubas will now claim that the 4 Nri market days that Benin people use, are Yoruba market days, in spite of the fact that they mirror the Nri market days. You can try harder.

Chaiii!!! Who did this thing to Yorubas.

I tire for this people , Explorers don't know their east from west again cos they came to Africa

TAO11:
You are proving my point that we are light years apart.

I am quoting the very words of the archaeologist who did the work (Thurstan Shaw); while you on the other hand are attaching wIkIpEdIa screenshots. Interesting. Lol.

Did you already notice the gap between us, or do I have to break it down further?? Lol.

What you dug up is dwarfed by established evidence of Igbo ukwu and it's seniority to anything in the west