₦airaland Forum

BrownLondon:
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A superior Argument will always triumph.....You are only good at insults like most yoruba

Simplyleo:
Wetin una dey produce for SE? No be fight.

The SE-
Commerce
industry.
Crude oil.
Natural Gas.
Top notch Human capacity.
The Brightest minds that Sub Saharan Africa has to offer.

Simplyleo:
NE - Agriculture 
NW- Agriculture and Commerce 
NC - Agriculture and Industry
SS - Crude oil and Agriculture 
SW - Agriculture, Education, Commerce & Industry 
SE - ? 

SW produce Lagos and nothing more, remove Lagos and SW is Chad republic

BrownLondon:
A place with over 300km^2, population of over 150 thousand people.

Banks, good roads, lots of schools e.t.c is surely an urban area by Nigerian standard (unless urban means another thing in igboland)

If you can't argue with fact, get the fvck out of my mentions.

Imagine having this (among 3 higher standard institutions and someone from Arochukwu still thinks it's a rural area)

https://www.nairaland.com/6003349/drone-shot-adeleke-university-night

Show me a university as beautiful as this in the whole of igboland.

Efulefu

what does Landmass has to do with urbanisation?
Imagine mentioning the beauty of a university as an evidence of urbanisation

Ede is unarguably a village, but like you said we many have a higher expectation of what should be called an urban area

Show me an aerial shot of your Ede town

OfoIgbo:
Nwanne, you are even going way deeper, and I doubt their understanding will be able to handle these things.

By the way, where are IkwerrePikin, Minorityopinion, Osaze007, helinues, seunmsg ?

I hope you all are learning. In the future if you want to start your usual cultural p*ssy-sniffing and d*ck-measuring, leave Nri or Igbo out of it.
Just stick with your Benin-Yoruba tingz. You can take Ikwerre and Ogba with you, as they seem to have shown immense unintelligence in self-knowledge.

I can forgive their ignorance, Igbos history doesn't deal on fictitious and badly concocted stories to boost ego like them

BrownLondon:
I doubt if you know the meaning of urban area, the population of Ede according to 2006 census is over 150k, the landmass is 300km^2 (bigger than Owerri) how is this a village?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ede,_Osun

How can a geographical area have.

A federal polytechnic
Federal polytechnic Ede.

Two universities
Redeemer university
Adeleke University

Lots of Banks e.t.c and still be called a village?

In the whole of igboland show me a university has beautiful as this, i challenged you..
https://www.nairaland.com/6003349/drone-shot-adeleke-university-night

I purposely included The urban area part because I know you will play into my hands, and thank God you did.

If you ever lie again that you served in Ede or being to Osun, you will never prosper in life, everything you have will vanished before you (I know this is unnecessary, but I just have to)

Ede is a rural area, having university doesn't automatically make it an urban dwelling

MinorityOpinion:
Okay I understand your history has no relevance unless you attach by force to Yorubas Benin or igalas. Continue

But your history is clearly pure fabrication, No southern tribe in Nigeria can tell it's history truly without relating it to other southern tribes, They all share common history and was well aware of it until recently......you in particular is not a bright person at all

MinorityOpinion:
Tell me about your history then? You that have no history

My history is from 3000bc and barring any records it started fading away like all ancient cultures, But one thing you should learn today is that Igbos are the not your mates, the Ooni of Ife defied all prejudices to say it

MinorityOpinion:
Tell me about your history then? You that have no history

My history is from 3000bc and barring any records it started fading away like all ancient cultures, But one thing you should learn today is that Igbos are the not your mates, the Ooni of Ife defies all prejudices to say it

OfoIgbo:
Before Lugard came, there was already the Eze Nri stool which predates the Norman rule of England starting from 1066.
There was already the Obi of Onitsha and the Eze Aro, Igwe Nnewi royal stools.

By the time Lugard came, the Nris reported that there were already about 60+ royal stools in Igboland. Nris knew this, because it was Nri priests that installed every single one of those Ezes and Igwes and Obis of Igbo towns, and Obas of Benin and Attahs of Igala.

But the majority of the Igbo towns were still being ruled by elders and the ozo society.

Nri was ancient and devine, their priests got as far as modern day Lagos as medicine men alongside Bini fighters

MinorityOpinion:
Exactly, there history is not that important, even the British were not interested in it, the first king in igbo land was during the colonial era. Not to even talk about ifa or something, the igala were their priest which means the priest were the diviners. The Portuguese article that he was using as back up didn't say much about Igbo or the f.ucking Eze Nri he was talking about, it was talking about cross(which resemble the Christians own) the ogane (who was a priest) always give to Benin Kings, the article mention East of Benin, if you check this picture very well ifa was said to be brought by gogo from Yoruba Town, same Benin East.

Their history is not interesting and there is almost no information about them except how other smaller tribes conquered them..

Cc legendhero, Sammy07, ThatFairGuy, Etinosa1234, obalatule, babaramota1980

Igbo history is not mates with any other southern Nigeria history, it's so ancient the British didn't know where to start....Yoruba history is very young and inaccurate

MinorityOpinion:
You are a liar, who is Eze Nri? Eze system was introduced by lugard, there was nothing like Kings in igbo land.

You seem to be the most ignorant in this whole argument

OfoIgbo:
I don't believe what I am reading here. This is one of the dumbest ways to ever prove lack of ownership.

For your information, when it comes to Nri-Igbo market days, There are Eke, Oye, Afo and Nkwo. For some Igbos Oye is ORIE. For my Nri people and people around the Awka axis, Afo is AVO
Now the fact that there are different ways of pronouncing the market days in Igboland, have never ever removed the ownership of those market deities from the Nris.
Even Benin or Igala people who use the same market days, will never even bring this line of argument.

AFA or AVA is a huge pillar in our ancient traditional spirituality, and even the neutral Portuguese reported that the Eze Nri was like a Pope figure to everyone around the vicinity of Benin, which by the way, included Ife, as Ife's distance to Benin is shorter than Nri's distance to Benin.
And you seriously think the Pope of our traditional spirituality will be borrowing AFA from Ife.

In Roman catholic parlance, it is just like saying that the Vatican borrowed (or learnt) the Angelus from Ragnar's Scandanavia. It's not possible. Rather, it is the other way round, Catholicism in the Scandinavia, arrived from the Vatican in Rome.

Don't mind his ignorance

Igala and Bini clearly recieved the Igbo four market days which the Afa devinition is based on, It's always 4(ano)

LegendHero:
You are confused. What is your said Afa origin? Can you tell me how NRI founded the said Afa?

Don’t play this game with me coz you’ll get burnt if I actually want to just embark on trying to find the link of the true first oracle name and it’s origin.

One thing is 80-90% certain, other southern tribes in Nigeria derive their oracle from one major origin coz the name of their oracle sound too alike and sensible historians will find a clue.

Oracle name of some tribes:
Mina - Ipha
Fon - Fa
Yoruba - Ifa
Igala - Ifa
Nupe - Eba
Idoma- Epa/Eba
Edo - Iha
Urhobo - Epha
Isoko- Eva
Igbo - Afa/Efa/E(p)ha

Now can you see Igbo has three types, now let’s us check the distinct Igbo name.

Now see the Igbo sub-group and what they call their oracle:
Agbor- Efa
Onicha- Afa
Nri - Afa
Nsukka- Eha
Mbiase - Afa

Can you see even from a layman reasoning, it’s evident the name change among Igbos shows that they actually don’t own the said Ifa and it’s as a result of borrowing because the name changes and they don’t have a unique name.

Now imagine we just try to delve into this matter further, we might just get the origin of the Efa/Afa in Igbo to know how they came about the name.

Cc: MinorityOpinion

See reasoning
You are too close minded to have this arguement

Afa divinition precedes Anything Yoruba, no matter how you try to paint it, yoruba just took it and blew it out of proportion and even worships it, Afa in Igbo culture is a just a tool to call on the eternal witness

Yoruba culture is not only very young, it's also full of laughable tales that no sensible person will believe

MinorityOpinion:
See the coronation of oba of Benin, no mention of an Nri priest. Who is ogane sef, he might be igala man that colonised igbos

Because Igbos became less interested in History over time does not change facts, Ife was administered by Igbos before Oduduwa arrived from wherever..... Oduduwa as a name has Igbo origins......Your history is 80% folk lore

Etinosa1234:
First question...it is only written that the nri had only spiritual influence... politically, military and culturally they were useless
Second question.... Rulers are not historians...... If u believe what Ooni said because he's a ruler, then I guess u should also believe Nnamdi Azikiwe and wike claim that they migrated from Benin...
. after all they are all rulers

NRI was never about military might, they were not interested in politics, They were revered mystics and cultural custodians......Bini and all its juju was received and administred by NRI....At a point they dispersed for various reasons returning towards their homelands like the aniomas in delta, the oguta of imo state, the Onitsha and obosi of Anambra state....this were returning NRI priests, Awka blacksmiths and other traders that made their way to Bini

OfoIgbo:
Are you trying to claim that Nri-Igbo was not the cultural, political and spiritual overlord of Benin? Is that what you don't believe?

Or are you saying that the Ooni of Ife was wrong in asserting Igbo influence was much in evidence, in days gone by?

Please indicate which of the above questions, you have problem with. It is so easy to just fire a scattering shot, without pinpointing what you have an issue with.

Nna leave this people , It's crystal clear that Igbo and in particular NRI played a prominent role in early Bini, NRI priests were outstanding medicine men.....Bini JuJu and all its dread was recieved from Nri

MinorityOpinion:
I mean the pictures are self explantory enough.

Ifa > Afa

Very stupid analysis, Afa divinition was clearly given to The igala, Bini and Yoruba by Igbos

TAO11:
Even Igbos too?? Hehehe! God is wonderful.

Everyone somehow need Oduduwa to validate their culture. Who no like better thing?

Lots and lots of ignorance being pumped in here. Touching on only two of the misinformation here, viz. (1)Igbo-Ukwu bronzes and (2)The Ogane who resides in the “east”:

(1) The archaeologist who worked on the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronzes’ was Professor Thurstan Shaw.

Due to his work in the years 1959-60, the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronzes’ is still thought, among common folks, to pre-date the Ife ‘bronzes’. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Such assumptions among common folks are terribly mistaken because the early dates initially associated with the Igbo-Ukwu 'bronzes' are now regarding as misleading by experts — including Professor Thurstan Shaw himself.

At the minimum, the radio-carbon dates initially attributed to the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronzes’ are now noted to be due to erroneous exaggeration, and are therefore not absolute, not final, and not conclusive.

To quote the words of Professor Thurstan Shaw himself in a later publication in relation to the Igbo-Ukwu artefacts, he sums up and concludes as follows:

“SUMMARY: In the discussion of the reliance which should be placed on the Igbo-Ukwu radiocarbon dates, it is necessary to make certain that what evidence we have is correctly used. The precise locations of the samples used for dating are recalled and possible sources of error discussed. Consideration is given to the arguments for a date later than that suggested by the radiocarbon dates, stemming from the state of preservation of the textiles, the character of the beads, the pottery evidence, analogies with the presumed dating of Ife and Benin, the quantity and the source of the copper, and what is known of pre-European trading patterns in West Africa. The latter is probably the most serious objection to a very early date, but the question will only be settled with the acquisition of more archaeological evidence.”

Reference: Thurstan Shaw, “Those Igbo-Ukwu Radiocarbon Dates: Facts, Fictions and Probabilities”, The Journal of African History, Vol. 16, No. 4, (1975), p.517.

Furthermore and in relation to the foregoing, I should clarify and caution that the phrase: the earliest date obtained from the dated Ife ‘bronzes‘ is not one and the same thing as the phrase: the earliest date possibly obtainable from any of the not-yet-dated Ife ‘bronzes’.

This foregoing clarification is of utmost relevance here because “much of the bronze/brass art of Ife has not been dated.” — S.A. Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People”, 2010, p.52.

Moreover, the bronze casting tradition of the Yorubas is not isolated or restricted to the Ife subgroup. Later finds in the course of the 1900s came to prove that the ancient bronze casting art also existed in other parts of Yorubaland such as: Owo, Obo-Aiyegunle (in Northern Ekiti), Ijebu-Ode, etc.
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(2) Talking about the Ogané of the early Portuguese account who is noted to be “the most powerful monarch” in our part of the world, and who lived in the “east”.

Despite the description of “east” in this account, I am still unaware of any historian (past or present) who identified this monarch as an Igbo king.

From the beginning of the twentieth century, scholars had no reason to doubt that this Ogane of the Portuguese account is none other than the Ooni of Ife.

(see e.g. Stoll 1902:161-166; Roth 1903:6n1; Marquart 1913:52; Talbot 1926:1:155-156, 281-282, 3:573; Schurhammer 1928:28-30; Bradbury 1964:151, Paula Marti 1960:63, Mauny 1961:182; Akinjogbin 1967:41-43; Law 1973:17-19; Willett 1973:137-138; Obayemi 1976:247; Horton 1979: ; Akintoye 2010:141-142; among others).

Historians have maintained for, well valid and factual reasons, that the description of “east” in the account is — rather than literal — of a religious significance.

The justification for this comes from the fact that every received detail about the Ogane in the account lines up perfectly only with the Ooni of Ife among all monarchs throughout the Gulf of Guinea.

Moreover, Ife is well-known among the ancient cultures of our region (at least west of the Niger River) by the religious epithet of: “the place from where the sun rises” — Ife Oodaiye, ibi ojumo tii mo wa.

(i) This ancient religious epithet of Ife as, the place of the rising sun remains well-known even till date by every typical Yoruba person.

(ii) This ancient religious epithet of Ife was also well-known in Benin Kingdom at least up to the 1920s.

This comes the fact that Oba Eweka(II) informed visiting H.L. Ward-Price that every morning at dawn, he faces the rising sun while observing certain supplications to his great lord (Oghene) who lives in Ife.

(iv) This religious epithet of Ife is also found to be well-known in today’s Republic of Benin as Robin Horton’s citation of Maupoil, B’s “La Geomancie” 1943 publication shows below:

“Maupoil in his classic account of Dahomean religion, tells once more of a strong association of Ife with dawn and the east. He adds that although in this area the association is one that actually corresponds with geographical reality, in the minds of the people it is not so much a summary of geographical observation as a highly appropriate piece of symbolism. For Dahomeans, dawn and the east are in this context first and foremost symbols of certain admired attributes of Ife.”

(iv) This religious epithet of Ife was also recorded in by David Hinderer during his missionary visit to Ife in the 1850s. He wrote:

“Ife is famous as being the seat of idolatory; all the multiple idols of this part of the country are said to emanate from the town; from there the sun and moon rises where they are buried in the ground, and all people of this country and even white men sprung from this town”.
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In summary: Scholars have from the beginning identified this Ogane (Oghene) as the Ooni of Ife. The only notable exception to this identification used to be A.F.C. Ryder who in 1965 hypothesized the geographical north-eastern direction, rather than the geographical western direction of Ife.

Although as Elizabeth A. Isichei has confirmed, Ryder later abandoned this solitary and radical idea in his 1969 work entitled “Benin and the Europeans”.

In sum, every redoubtable scholar and historian of precolonial Nigeria today has no iota of doubt in identifying the Ogane of the Portuguese account as the Ooni of Ife.

See the attached screenshot from page 47 of Adam Knobler’s (2016) work for a very recent apt summary of this identification.

cc: LegendHero, Sammy07, winer900

You really are desperate to twist truth.

Ife was originally populated by a subgroup of Igbos, even the Ooni affairms this.

Ogane remains an Igbo priest king that ruled from igboukwu, An ancient burial chamber of a flamboyant powerful king was excavated in that same igboukwu

Ife artifacts remains very young compared to igboukwu, Every bit of culture possed by Yoruba was received from Igbos through Bini and igala, The Afa system of divinition included

When the Bini were flexing their military might they never looked east simply cos they knew who ruled there....they preferred to rampage through yoruba lands as they pleased

Twisting history with lies and half truths will not change what is

Sammy07:
.. Does that mean they came out of Yorubas??

You wish, Igbos are the grandpa of all southern tribes

Anybody with Foresight can see clearly that civilization is moving towards a unified government, In the past hundred years the economy has gone global.

What happens in one country now affects another at the other end of the world...... Eventually global governments will be unified.

Whether this will bring doom or prosperity no one knows for sure but I personally think it will have catastrophic consequences.

Mo3891:
Why is the flat headed man crying

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Your pains are well understood, ewedu bloke

Mo3891:





Chestbeating , noise making


Everytime noise yet

Lowest internally generated revenue

Poorest southern region



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Pains

OkutaNla:
Guy, I obviously can't help you. Your fascination with Agberos suggest you may actually fancy becoming one yourself. Goodluck.

Agbero work is not a profession and must be eschewed by every yeroba person, that way the society will thrive in Freedom and Justice

OkutaNla:
I thought I already answered that. Agberos in Yorubaland land exist for the exact same reason they exist in igboland. It's that simple. But if that answer doesn't satisfy you, go and ask the ones at Onitsha and Aba why they chose to be touts instead of gainful employment as you put it. Whatever answer they give you will certainly apply to the Yoruba ones you are obviously fascinated with.

See the way they were treated compared to the way Agberos are glorified and hailed by yeroba, Is Agbero a career choice in yeroba culture?

OkutaNla:
I am happy I was able to convince you to openly acknowledge your Igbo ethnicity afteall . See, it's really not a big deal because even if you lie about it, your true nature and character will always expose you. And yeah, you just exhibited another igbo trademark - - an acute obsession with Lagos. But really I understand you guys love Lagos so much that's why you express your insecurity by calling her a 'nomansland', and because you are afraid we Yorubas might send y'all back home one day, 'GhanamustGo' style. But seriously you have nothing to worry about, as long as you are of best behaviour (though if you are like your brothers that recently travelled all the way from Onitsha to Ogun to steal Okada, we will not hesitate to deport your black a$$!)

Yorubas won't send good and law-abiding igbos back to igboland (yeah, I know you lots dread that region like it's hell fire or something lol). If we can welcome other ethnicities and even non-Nigerians, how much more igbos? So relax and don't commit any crimes and you will be fine. That I can promise you.

You are talking trash and going off point, Why is Agbero regarded as gainful employment among your people?

OkutaNla:
Only igbos poke their noses into the affairs of other regions. They are the only ones obsessed with what goes on in Yorubaland. And they are also the only ones that make excuses for their crimes and criminals ( especially those committed outside igboland) by deflecting from the real issue. No other ethnic group does that in Nigeria. Btw, why are you igbos always denying your tribe after you have been exposed and found out? I will not beat you if you admit that you are igbo. I know it suckks being one and all but you don't have a choice than to be igbo. Be a man and be proud of your tribe.

Everybody will pokenose where he wants, Why so Agbero and their patrons glorified in yeroba land....Is it a noble profession in your culture?

OkutaNla:
Only igbos poke their noses into the affairs of other regions. They are the only ones obsessed with what goes on in Yorubaland. And they are also the only ones that make excuses for their crimes and criminals ( especially those committed outside igboland) by deflecting from the real issue. No other ethnic group does that in Nigeria. Btw, why are you igbos always denying your tribe after you have been exposed and found out? I will not beat you if you admit that you are igbo. I know it suckks being one and all but you don't have a choice than to be igbo. Be a man and be proud of your tribe.

But Lagos is not yorubaland nah, It's officially recognised in the constitution as No man's land

Pimpmaride:
Bursted for what exactly?


I don't hide..... I'm open to 10000 Okoros

You are forming Egede , Men don collect your pictures keep