Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Hell Fire Hurt A Spirit by Hermes019(op): 10:43am On Feb 15, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: Your soul is you. Your soul is also the most important part of you worthy enough to be after by the devil and worthy enough for God to die for in place of you.
The spirit comes and goes back to God after death, it is your conduit that connects and/or tunes in with the Spirit which God is. The life of the soul is in the spirit, just as the life of body is in the blood. This simples should be enough for now Alright Can you explain the mechanism through which the soul would feel pain,does a soul even "feel" at the first place,if it does how |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Hell Fire Hurt A Spirit by Hermes019(op): 7:42am On Feb 15, 2019 |
DeOTR: First, humans are not of body spirit and soul. Genesis 2:7 ...'And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul'. As you can see, man was not given a soul, he became a living soul through the breath of God (spirit. The Greek and Hebrew words translated as spirit simply means, air, or breath). So what happens when we die (lose our breath)? Genesis 3:19 ...' In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.' As simple as that. We return to the same state we were. As for the question of the OP, since the righteous dead will take on a new body at resurrection at the end of days, it's sensible that the damned will be destroyed in the lake of fire bodily.
False teachings of a spirit surviving after death is the cause of this confusion. When you die, you die. There's nothing like your spirit wandering the universe. That's a demonic teaching and it's not supported by the Bible. The Bible only said, the dead are sleeping. Jehovah witness ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Hell Fire Hurt A Spirit by Hermes019(op): 7:41am On Feb 15, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: "And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul. Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." - Matthew 10:28
I applaud how you are not thinking how everyone else thinks.
Few modifications, first the moniker ID is MuttleyLaff and not Mutteylaff, that your slip up gives you away as a non cartoon animation fan. Second, it is the soul, and not the spirit, that is going to be destroyed, so do you now see that you've asked a non question? Finally metatron is here to enlighten us What is the difference between the soul and the spirit ? Let's start from there P.s I do not like cartoons,but animated and non animated,whichever |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Shoes.... by Hermes019: 7:33am On Feb 15, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us. All of them are useful for teaching, pointing out errors, correcting people, and training them for a life that has God's approval.
Are you musically inclined? What musical instruments do you play if you are? Do you also compose? You do know how we got to this point right,you said a couple of things and I asked for the source,you confirmed its the bible. Well I don't have any reasons to believe that the bible is divinely inspired so for these stuff you said,I'm afraid it doesn't make any sense to me except you back it up with proof Your body is an earth suit, when you snuff it, the spirit returns back to its Owner but your soul goes to rest and a waiting place pending the day of judgment when you will give account for every careless word spoken, you'll have to explain the reason(s) for your every word, thought and deed. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned, on that day. I'm musically inclined but I don't play any instrument neither do I compose music |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Shoes.... by Hermes019: 9:47pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: Hold on to your knickers. Patience is a virtue, you didnt have re-post same comment twice in order to get me to respond now
Not just the bible only. It was in Mark Twain's book "Innocents Abroad" that he wrote: "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." and with that in mind, is why I earlier said that " "I travel a lot and visit many good, bad and ugly books, but live in the Bible.""
I learned all of I share from and by reading the bible along with a few other the good, bad and ugly books. Reading is important to me. A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone, if it is to keep its edge, so the saying goes. On top, I love and enjoy reading the Bible. It gladdens my heart and ít's an immerse source of knowledge to me.
Living in the bible helps me a lot and allows me to think outside the box, as the law of liberty gives me the opportunity to do just that. You know this is not the issue,we regard the bible like every other book,but u Christians say it is divinely inspired, if u are of this position how did u attain it |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Hell Fire Hurt A Spirit by Hermes019(op): 9:21pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
Abuventure: The fire talked about in revelation isn't physical. So spiritual fire is for the spirit while physical fire is for physical. How would a spirit feel pain,that is my question ? |
Romance › Re: Hard Facts Of Life. by Hermes019: 8:56pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
IamPlato: Hermes019!
I Was At My Work Place One Day When I had The Sudden Urge To Write A Story, i Took A Pen And Started Writing, i Filled Up The Book with Over 5000 words but The Use Of Words Was Not So beautiful...
Then One Day, i Had A Dream And In That Dream I Met God (do Not Take This As A Joke). Although Not By Face But By Voice, and He Told Me He Had Given Me The Gift of Writing and Has Chosen Me For A Path In Film Directing and If I Abandon This Path Then I Can As Well Forget Success. In That Dream I Saw A Thread Pass Through A Book and Into The Earth (i Still Dont Know What That Meant)...
I Began Writing; Stories, Articles, Ideas, have Never Stopped Coming. I Even Have Dreams That Predicts My Future and Honestly Its A Beautiful Life Ahead Of Me. When I Wrote My Next Exam My English Was B.
I Am Happy I Found God but Not Just God but My Life he Gave Me A Focus Which I Lacked. Alright Congratulations |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Shoes.... by Hermes019: 8:36pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
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Romance › Re: Hard Facts Of Life. by Hermes019: 8:32pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
IamPlato: i Was Born With The Gift Of Art (drawing) and I Was The Best In School Then. But As I Grew Older I Began To Question God why I Had Just One Gift, i Even Made It A Prayer Point...
Now, while In Secondary School, i Was A Terrible Student, i Couldnt Even Write 200 words Essay With Good Command Of English, my Other Subjects Were A Failure, i Even Failed My First GCE exams.
But Let Me Shock You I am shocked indeed LOL Is this the evidence ? That you can draw,and you passed your exams, that is what convicted you to have faith and believe that Yahweh exists ? |
Romance › Re: Hard Facts Of Life. by Hermes019: 8:31pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
IamPlato: Well Being Born In A Christian Home Is No Reason to Prove God... But During The Year Of My Growing I Have Had Experiences, I Have Seen Miracles Which i Tried To Hold On To As Believe In God but It Turned Out To Be Scientifically Explained...
But Then Something Happened In My Life That Gave Me Enough Reason to Believe That A Mighty Entity Was Out There and He Knew So Well Excellent,these experiences can serve as the evidences we are asking for Do you mind sharing some of them so we can examine to draw our best conclusion |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Hell Fire Hurt A Spirit by Hermes019(op): 8:28pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
budaatum: Well, I don't know much about the death bit since I haven't died yet, but in the living human being in which their is a "spirit, soul and body", as you say, I know which bit hurts when I bang a hammer on my thumb and it's not the same bit that hurts when I fail an exam or do something that makes buda burn in hell. You'd have to sin like buda has to fully understand. But now that I am living, I assure you I was dead and my spirit was burning, though, in my dead state, I did not have a clue. Weirdo,go and see a doctor  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Hell Fire Hurt A Spirit by Hermes019(op): 8:26pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
CodeTemplar: Same way flesh feel emotion without any trace in the flesh. seriously bro,is this the best explanation you can give |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Hell Fire Hurt A Spirit by Hermes019(op): 7:59pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
CodeTemplar: Did the bible tell you spirits have nervous system? does you emotion rely on nervous system? Stop pretending as if my post didn't answer your question. Are spirits flesh that they will have a nervous system?
Think. That is what I am saying If spirits do not have nervous systems,then how do they feel pain,can something without a nervous coordination even feel anything at the first place CodeTemplar: Did the bible tell you spirits have nervous system? does you emotion rely on nervous system ? Stop pretending as if my post didn't answer your question. Are spirits flesh that they will have a nervous system?
Think. No it depends on the skeletal system So the dopamine and the rest that is released when a person is sad where do you think it comes from ? |
Romance › Re: Hard Facts Of Life. by Hermes019: 7:43pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
tuoky: I just keep Laughing at those who come out to say There is No GOD.. If you are a true Witch, Wizard, You do know the Answer.. What exactly are u saying |
Romance › Re: Hard Facts Of Life. by Hermes019: 7:42pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
IamPlato: Ok To Answer Your Question. Why Do You Have Faith?
Faith Is Not By Sight; It Comes From Convinction...
Faith Is The Substance Of Things Hoped For, the Evidence Of Things Not Seen.
An Encouragement or Motivation Could Grow Faith In Me... Even Though I May Not Have the Expected Substance at The Moment...
I Have Faith Because I have A Convinction and I Believe... Faith Is Power That Can Be Manifested Physically. Go And Read "The Power Of The Sub Conscious Mind" Thanks for defining faith,however the bolded is the only stuff I need So we progress What led to your conviction ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Hell Fire Hurt A Spirit by Hermes019(op): 7:35pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
CodeTemplar: I already answered ur question. This CodeTemplar: It is an analogy and even you in your post said
The spirit realm formed the physical and made the physical to have attributes of the spirit realm for illustration purpose. Wow,what a comprehensive answer you gave there Far from impressive I asked two questions,you answered none Does a spirit possess a nervous system ? If it doesn't then how does it feel pain ? Did your answer address any of the above |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Hell Fire Hurt A Spirit by Hermes019(op): 6:58pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
budaatum: You still must have an idea of what they mean by spirit to ask if it feels pain! What is this spirit that feels pain? Well this is the understanding I have and I'm being honest They say a human being is made up of spirit,soul and body The body is the one we "wear", I'm not entirely sure what the soul means but they say it is the essence of the being,the spirit is the one that goes to the maker after death |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Hell Fire Hurt A Spirit by Hermes019(op): 6:56pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
CodeTemplar: It is an analogy and even you in your post said
The spirit realm formed the physical and made the physical to have attributes of the spirit realm for illustration purpose. I don't think the analogy fits,besides that is not my question Does the spirit (if it actually exists as claimed)possess a nervous system or a replica of some sort ? If it doesn't then how exactly will a spirit feel pain ? you should give it a shot |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Hell Fire Hurt A Spirit by Hermes019(op): 6:53pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
CodeTemplar: It is an analogy and even you in your post said
The spirit realm formed the physical and made the physical to have attributes of the spirit realm for illustration purpose. I don't think the analogy fits,besides that is not my question |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Hell Fire Hurt A Spirit by Hermes019(op): 6:46pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
budaatum: What, exactly, is this spirit, that you "heard a couple of times", feels pain? Well that is what religionists say,its not my position |
Romance › Re: Hard Facts Of Life. by Hermes019: 6:41pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
MISEDUCATIONS: I care so little about what you said. Why must I even discuss my faith with you? OK,bye bye |
Romance › Re: Hard Facts Of Life. by Hermes019: 6:41pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
IamPlato: the Question You Asked Looks Funny... Faith Is Abstract! I asked a simple question, and I expect a simple answer Why do you have Faith Rephrase What informed you,or what made you to choose to have faith ? Why can't u guyz answer the question rather than twisting words up and down |
Christianity Etc › Why Would Hell Fire Hurt A Spirit by Hermes019(op): 6:33pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
I have heard this a couple of times,you are asked to imagine how it feels when a fire burns your skin,and then you are told that it would feel the same way or even worse to be cast into the lake of fire(hell). I have a problem with this illustration. When we are burned by fire or any hot object we feel hurt because we have a nervous system,if we didn't have a nervous system or if our nervous systems were not functioning we can't feel pain,even if your whole body is completely burnt u wouldn't feel any pain.Of course this is something we can relate to when you are given an anaesthetic maybe during surgery and that body region becomes numb no matter the manner of injury you inflict to that portion the person wouldn't feel any pain. Suffice to say it is not the fire that is really responsible for the pain,what causes u to feel pain is the reaction of your body(the pain receptors,brain and motor receptors) to the stimulus(the fire). So having established this,we can say that no nervous system,no pain
So this brings us to my question
Does the spirit (if it actually exists as claimed)possess a nervous system or a replica of some sort ? If it doesn't then how exactly will a spirit feel pain ?
Cc Ihedinobi3,originalkalokalo,Mutteylaff,rekinomtla, budaatum, Johnydon22,CAPSLOCKED,XxSabrinaxX, Frank317,Seun |
Romance › Re: Hard Facts Of Life. by Hermes019: 6:13pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
MISEDUCATIONS: Why must I not have it? I did not say you must not have faith,I simply asked "why do you have faith" Come on u can do better than this If u ask me "why is your moniker Hermes019",do you expect me to answer " why mustn't it be Hermes019",or do you expect me to give u the reason(s) I choose the name |
Romance › Re: Hard Facts Of Life. by Hermes019: 5:18pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
ubunja: it's called faith Why do u have faith ? |
Romance › Re: Hard Facts Of Life. by Hermes019: 1:22pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
Martinez39: He doesn't have any evidence or sound basis to believe in god instead he believes by FAITH. Any attempt to make him bring evidence will fail. I modified that post,I think I understand the game he is trying to play Chill |
Romance › Re: Hard Facts Of Life. by Hermes019: 1:15pm On Feb 14, 2019 |
ubunja: for the same reason you don't. I don't believe in God because their is no evidence that God exists so that means you believe in God because there is no evidence that God doesn't exist Great We are in for a fine drill How do you know that God exists ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Blood of Jesus Your Sins Remain. See Why... by Hermes019: 9:11am On Feb 14, 2019 |
Originakalokalo: The Bible is a first hand information from God.....
I know what I should know about God. Nice Suit yourself |
Romance › Re: Hard Facts Of Life. by Hermes019: 9:08am On Feb 14, 2019 |
ubunja: YES. THATS THE POINT. That's why those who believe without any logical reason to believe will be REWARDED because it's not an easy thing to do. Do you understand the point of religion and faith? OK let me ask u this Why do you believe in God(YHWH) ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: God And Shoes.... by Hermes019: 9:03am On Feb 14, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: The more you read, the more you get to know all these Read what exactly , the bible ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Without The Blood of Jesus Your Sins Remain. See Why... by Hermes019: 5:22am On Feb 14, 2019 |
Originakalokalo: God, the creator of the world and humans said that the life of a creature is in the blood....
He said so and I believe it.
All God needs is to say anything and I will believe it. No,that is were you got it wrong Your masters, the authors of the bible,iron age Hebrew shepherds said so,not God Tell me,where u there when they were writing the bible,where u there when the scribes were making copies of it,where you there when they were translating it,did you receive first hand information from your God ? |
Romance › Re: Hard Facts Of Life. by Hermes019: 5:13am On Feb 14, 2019 |
ubunja: so if there is no evidence your wife is cheating on you it means she is not cheating? It is common that a wife cheats on her husband,it is something we have witnessed severally so from experience we know that there is a possibility for his wife to cheat on him,in this case if a person claims that his wife is cheating on him without bringing evidence we don't entirely dismiss it(because it is possible),but we don't believe it either because no evidence supports the claim In your own case,we do not have any reason to assume there is significant possibility that your God exists,so we conclude he doesn't since you don't have any evidence |