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jesusjnr2:
Simply tell me how many of those criminally insane persons in the asylum have created a single human being before, otherwise you can forever hold your peace, that the Creator of man would yet be perfect even if He decides to destroy all of the human beings that He had Created, for only He who gave them life has the right to take their life.

#Lostconfusedsatanzombie

See this one,you are talking as if u have provided any proof that your so called God created anything.
Those wackos he mentioned have a better "proof" at least they are giving a first hand account

johnydon22:
Again, the argument here is; if you were created by something or someone, it appeals to logic that this something or someone has full inalienable right over you, to do with you however it pleases. Similarly like we as humans have over every creations we have made.

the same moral constraints to do not apply to both you and the creator, No, it obviously is above any petty morals that may govern you by its own prescriptions or yours.

If this is what you truly believe than why did u create that thread on clones ?

johnydon22:
A clone obviously is alive, whether it is human or not remains to be seen.

Lets split the scenario into two

1. It can make choices

2. It can't.

How does this affect your judgement on its moral value?

Does this clone have a brain ?
If it does what functioning level is the brain,is it more than that of a fowl

johnydon22:
Would you say same for a naturally born human with no cognitive abilities?

I really want to understand the foundations of our moral positions on this matter.

I agree with Lord reed

@ the bolded no human being can be born or survive without a cognitive ability

cr7lomo:
Ronaldo has won more CL than messi...and y say he played little part in the Euro finals... Hu took them to the finals?? .Hu qualified them??..no one cares about second place...we only care bout winners... The European cup is the second biggest international tournament after the WC.... No one cares about Wenger's arsenal playing in the CL finals...we only remember the winners

I still stand by the point I made,in terms of trophies Messi is ahead of Ronaldo,if you wish we can do an analysis,we would assign a number of points to each trophy an do the maths

cr7lomo:
It's certain that u hv not moved on from ronaldo dumping ur ass...u guys hv been nonsense since he left, so as madrid

You can think whatever you like,that is ur business

cr7lomo:
How many CL has his so called mesmerising skills won him in the past 5yrs... Has it won him world cup or copa America??

Tomorrow , u go talk say jay jay better pass eto or drogba

It is true he has won just I champions league in the last Five years,but I hope you know that Ronaldo has once gone 5 years without a champions league title and the two occasions they met in the champions league Messi outshone him,2009 finals when he lost in the finals and 2011 semi finals where he lost as well,Messi scored 3 goals on both occasions,hw didn't even score 1,was he not Ronaldo then,yes Messi hasn't won the world cup but at least he has played in the final that was a good attempt,same with the copa America where I think he has been really unlucky
I have told you that when you talk of trophies both are almost equal because they have the same number of champions league which is maybe the most important,yes Ronaldo has the Euros but that doesn't make much difference to me especially when you consider he played little or no role in the finals but that is not my argument.
I don't like childish arguments,I have told you that my argument is not based on titles,Messi has even won more if you want to use that,I am looking beyond titles which is largely by team performance, I am speaking of their individual contribution to games,besides heading the ball which other area does Ronaldo command more respect than Messi does ?

First of all I am not a Barca fan,I'm a man u fan so by default I should prefer Ronaldo and I once did,in fact I hated Messi before for obvious reasons,beating my club man utd in the champions league final twice and beating my country in the Olympics and world cup and I also like Madrid so that means I hate Barca but now that I'm more matured and less sentimental I can tell u that Messi is probably the greatest footballer of all time.
The reason you have people saying Ronaldo is better is purelt because of sentiments nothing else,I also love Ronaldo he is an outstanding player and like I said he is a great finisher and it happens that whenever the Messi Ronaldo argument comes up the only thing that Ronaldo fans use is the goals he has scored and sometimes the quality of the goals,in terms of that both are equal although technically Messi is better speaking of the number of voals and even the goal ratio but when it comes to the quality of the goals their is no comparison, Messi scores more beautiful goals than Ronaldo,YouTube is your friend.
Besides goals there are other things I watch out for,their overall contribution in a game,Messi is the most creative player I have ever seen,Ronaldo may have some assists since he is an attacker but in that area he is average,Messi is unplayable, he can go back to the midfield collect a pass and make something out of nothing.
Our perspectives may differ but look beyond goals and trophies maybe(since both are nearly equal on these areas) and consider other aspects of the game,how easily is messi dispossessed when he gets the ball,how many dribbles does Ronaldo complete in a game I'm not talking about just doing a fancy leg over to entertain the fans,I'm speaking of going past a player,do you take your time to see the kind of passes that Messi gives to other players
If you look at all these things and still staunchly say that Ronaldo is the GOAT then I don't know what else to say to u

Jeferious:
Each time people compare Messi and Ronaldo, I wonder if they are mad. A lot of people can't think for themselves: they depend heavily on an often sensationalised media, opinions from others, statistics, sentiments etc. If not, the issue of Ronaldo vs. Messi is hardly debatable. One player is clearly better, and that player is Messi.

Messi is the only player I have witnessed that statistics do not do enough justice to his contributions in the field of play. Unborn generations would need to watch clips of his football, otherwise they would not be able to appreciate what Messi was like in his days. I mean, goals or no goal, his influence is obvious in every match. A playmaker who is very prolific in the goalscoring department; only Maradona and Ronaldinho came close in the last 30 years. Every other player is either a very brilliant playmaker, or an excellent goalscorer, but not a combination of both.

I can go on and on, but the difference is glaring. Anyone who can't see the above has been blinded and brainwashed by emotions.

Loud it,the only skill that Ronaldo has is goal scoring,he is a predator,an excellent finisher,I would give it to him,but when it comes to football,the nitty gritty,creativeness,play making vision,pass accuracy,chances created,Ronaldo has nothing on Messi.
But u know ur average football fan,all he knows is that Ronaldo scored a hat trick that is enough for him

Messi is the goat,everyone who knows a thing about football knows this,in his most active years Ronaldo was playing catchup to Messi and even till today is still being compared to him

Justbeingreal:
The thing is so confusing and complicated if we use common sense the whole plan and point of liFe just get as e be. More like a game or should I say scripted happenings.

The problem with human being is that we want to feel special both as individuals and as a species.
Let's assume atheists are right and God doesn't exist,what do u think would happen,humans would still invent Gods like we have today because we want to have assurance that someone out there is wachting over us,we want assurance that we would continue to exist after we die.
The easiest ay to live your life is to make a purpose for yourself,life doesn't owe you anything,in the scheme of things our planet is sub microscopic compared to our galaxy,our galaxy is super super sub microscopic compared to the universe, it is stupidity to think that we more significant than we are

VULCAN:
Absolute balderdash.

All the times you did bad things while still in your father's house meant that your father did not exist. Even parents cannot stop a baby's free will. The baby will shit whenever it likes whether it's convenient for the mother or not.

Most of these atheists are rather unintelligent.

Always attempting to blame God for the actions and inactions of man.

Boeing is selling a faulty plane which one of their engineers must have told them will lead to problems but they went ahead due to love of big profits.

So the God that you said does not exist will shout from his "imaginary"(according to you) heaven to warn us about the greed of Boeing execs.

Then people like you will not enter the plane again abi?

Rubbish

Do you know the funniest thing,I can say that Yahweh is a d!ck,but the one that would get mad is you
You are the one defending you God,ur God can not defend himself, is that not what your bible used to taunt worshippers of Baal when Gideon destroyed their idols they asked them to allow Baal defend himself,so why not allow your God defend himself instead of getting pissed,worse thing is that its even a foreign God that u are defending

showafrica:
You won't understand.. Ask why God allow lion and tigers to devour innocent impala just for food. Life must continue through elimination method otherwise, it will not work. You may say creating life is meaningless then, yes you are right to our own understanding. If you want to know if God exists, try initiate a nuclear war that will eliminate all living thing and watch how 'Allen's' will invade the earth and ask you what you want to do.

Sorry to say this but some of u have very low reasoning
So it is only when we initiate a nuclear war to wipe out every living thing that your God would intervene NY sending aliens ?

Alzirida:
I don't believe there's God

The more I look at the Universe the less convince I am that There is really something Benevolent going on there.
The concept of a creator is someone who is

1; All powerful
2;. All good

When u look at those two pairing, they are uncommon.

Then again, when u look at disaster that afflict the Earth and makes life Miserable
Earthquake, Tornadoes, Sunami, Volcanoes,
Congenital birth defects, pestilence etc

U ask urself if we have an All good and all Powerful God?

Seriously there is really no evidence that God exist, if he does , then he is not all Powerful and all good.

No evidence.
That's why Religion is called Faith.

Faith is what u believed in Absence of evidence

They will never get it

Image123:
You want to discuss God without His Word, duh. Indeed it is a high level of foolishness it takes to say there's no God.

Emotionally speaking it is foolishness to say "there is no God"
Logically speaking it is foolishness to say "there is God"

Toks2008:
After i heard the news of The Ethiopian airline Boeing 737 that crashed today killing over 150 people i felt compelled to drop this piece with a heavy heart and very deep sobriety..

Many people often wonder why GOD allows people to die through several ways when he has the power to avert the cause and atheists have used this issue to discredit the existence of GOD.

The bitter truth is every one of us must die at different times through different means regardless of the age. Whether by human error, gun,natural disasters,wars, plane crash, sickness...WE ALL MUST LEAVE THIS EARTH.

It is quite unfortunate that the earth does not have infinite resources for limitless number of species so by default,people must die for earth's ecological balance to be sustained. Imagine you, your entire family right from the previous 4 generations living in one building without anyone leaving...now you can imagine how choked you all will be.

In like manner, for the earth to maintain its balance, every living species must at one time or the other leave for new ones to have space. So the bitter truth is that people must die and as people leave this earth, new people come in through child birth and this balance must continue regardless of your prayer to live long....IF GOD ANSWERS EVERYBODY'S PRAYER FOR LONG LIFE I GUESS THIS WORLD WILL BE SATURATED.

What GOD cares about is our souls and whilst we cry on earth when anyone dies, to GOD it is home coming cos this earth is just a temporary place for our souls.

Our souls–that invisible and eternal part of us–is the part that connects us with God. It’s what makes us different than all other life forms on the planet: every human has a soul. Your soul is the real you and that is what GOD really cares about and not your earthly body. That’s why Jesus asked, “Is anything worth more than your soul?”(Mark 8:37)

Yes its ok to pray and wish for long life but stop bothering your head about who dies and who lives or when and how you die....it can happen at anytime so start preparing your soul for where you want it to be for eternity.

May the souls of the dead R.I.P..Amen!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-47513508

When u start using ur common sense religion would make less and less sense to you until you have the courage to dump it entirely

You made a very good point that people don't know,death is very essential to maintain the ecosystem,but if you recall in Genesis Yahweh's original plan was that human beings would be immortal and at the same time reproductive,now if this had happened that means all the human beings from about 5000 years ago would still be alive and counting,what would be the state of our ecosystem

You now see why we disregard the bible ?

I knew it wasn't the coutinho most people knew

If I say Falcao now most people would think of Radamel Falcao not knowing that the "real" Falcao was a Brazilian footballer, Radamel was named after him

Indomie generation

budaatum:
So, a Creator God exists after all, you just don't agree it's the described God?

Exactly, I wouldn't say I am absolutely certain a creator exists,but even if it does I am convinced it is not what people portray as God

UyiIredia:
The one that never ceases to amaze me is God BECOMING A MAN and DYING for our sins. If Christians knew how this logic scatter Christianity don die.

God came out of a woman's vagina,and sucked a woman's breast

aLBHAGDADI you have my support on this one,christians you people should obey your bible word for word
We know why you don't want to obey the old testament

alBHAGDADI:
Where is that written?

Sorry I was wrong,the bible doesn't have a problem with cursing

If you are a christian feel free to use foul language and curse others

I think I 'm finding it hard to comprehend the outcry that this video has caused
What exactly is wrong with a person eating shit

Shit smells ?
Shit looks disgusting ?
Shit contains disease causing microorganisms ?

But did you know that that shit was a product from your body,as disgusting as it is it is the human body that produced it
Besides why is it that the fact that we produce something as disgusting as faeces not disgusting to you
Everybody shits,shouldn't it be disgusting to you that almost everyday every human being produces something as disgusting as shit.

You people should spare me all these useless empathy,there is no need to wail over anything,if you want to eat shit for money feel free to do so but make sure you get yourself treated to prevent infection,don't worry about any useless stigma,do what you like,bear the consequences that would follow,whether good or bad

Again I say this is arrant nonsense

A person is is eating shit for money or sexual fantansy and so what ?

Let me tell you in case you dont know,every second a human being dies,is a person eating shit (willingly to some extent) and then getting paid a worthy sum, worse than a person dying,do you go about crying because you know that even as you are reading this someone has just died,so what is this useless empathy all about.
A lot of you saying nonsense,if you were offered the "right" sum you would eat shit.
The woman is not a Dumbo, she has weighed the merits and demerits of what she was to do,maybe not logically though but she made her choice,allow her to near the consequences of her actions whether good or bad.
Like I have said and I would continue to say the only thing wrong in eating shit for money is maybe the risk or certainty of getting an infection and maybe some psychological issues that could come up,besides that as long as the woman is an adult and she is doing it willingly,I have no problem with her choice

This is nonsense

If a grown a$$ women permits a person to shit in her mouth because its her fetish or because she wants the money then I have no problem with that,its her life she can live it the way she want,I would feel pity because she could catch an infection but in the same way I also feel some sort of pity for people who smoke because their is risk that they could suffer health related implications.
Anita Joseph that is condemning,was she not the one that was advertising dildos with Bobrisky,there are a lot of people who would also feel that the use of dildos is abominable,and a lot of people also feel that cross dressers are a calamity but she is okay with all of that,a lot of people would also cringe when they see the kind of outfit she wears,a lot of people detest the bathtub video she made so what gives her the right to condemn a person eating shit for money.

Just like I said,the only reason I would say it is bad is on health grounds,it is comparable to people who smoke or take alcohol despite its deleterious effects on the health,but condemning the act simply because you don't like it is rubbish,there are a lot of things you do,a lot of words you say,a lot of dressed you were,a lot of music you listen to,a lot of movies you watch and even a lot of foods you eat that would make others disgusted.
People should live their lives the way they want,you shouldn't judge their preferences,you have yours too

alBHAGDADI:
Mumu, is that a law?

I thought your bible said you should not curse people



This guy is really funny

Actually it would be fun if all christians would be like you

Nonsense argument

Was Jesus God - Yes

Did Jesus die - Yes

Therefore God died

What else is there to argue

Is apple a drupe Yes
Is a drupe a fruit Yes
Therefore apple is a fruit

Nonsense argument

Was Jesus God - Yes

Did Jesus die - Yes

Therefore God died

What else is there to argue

Is apple a drupe Yes
Is a drupe a fruit Yes
Therefore apple is a fruit

hahn:
I serve the one and true god the Almighty holy puff puff

My chest

Op u are sick go to the hospital and have ur head checked

OpenYourEyes1:
No he wasn't a Christian

Same goes to you
"You weren't an atheist"

Shebi u think u are wise
Talk is cheap

johnydon22:
God.

Let's put it this way; The fundamental assumption fot theological basis for morality is - God exists.

Therefore here are the logical steps.

The owner of any system determines what governs such systems.

Based on the assumption of God existing which is fundamental to theology.

1. God exists
2. God is the creator of the universe
3. Therefore God owns the system
4. Any thing God considers sacred is fundamental to the universe like the laws of physics.
5. Therefore any moral basis on this principle is objective.

So, the only way to attack this argument is to argue that God doesn't exist, but one cannot deny in any way the sound logical link in that argument based on the fundamental assumption of no.1.

Second basis: Fundametal belief in a non-arbitrary value system.
Belief such as; Sex is sacred, Human life is sacred etc.

Secular morality on the hand operates on two principles.

1. Borrow a primary foundation from a theological basis (which most human law practise)

2. Or simply make a moral conclusion based on what you feel is ok without deriving a fundamental assumption that injects distinction between subjects. (Most atheistic arguments on morality operates on this one even though one can still ultimately link this to 1)

The idea that morality is individually subjective is a secular idea which ultimately means morality doesn't really exist

Which then puts us in a moral dilemma cus on that note, nothing truly can be wrong.

I have addressed my opinion about morality on a previous thread u created and I maintain that stance
Nothing is inherently right or wrong,it all depends on the situation, condition or circumstance in which they are applied

As far as I am concerned the theist stance or idea of morality is flawed and I uphold the one I have because it makes more sense to me and would cause less harm to others and would also allow me to gain maximum satisfaction from life