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SageTravels:
we are still in January, bro

stop copying

Did u look at the date he made that comment

OpenYourEyes1:
Well, no scientist has been able to replicate these things in laboratories or stimulate them on supercomputer. Scientists claimed they could but still no life has emerged from their experiments. You should be able to replicate a theory otherwise it remains a theory.

Anyone who understand how complex a single cell is won't accept that living things developed spontaneously. .

It is ironic how you guys attribute creations to a thing called Nature and at thesame claim things developed by chance. If Nature could write laws then it means natura is Sentient. Just stick with your random chance theory. We will stick with Intelligent design. Our God write the rules not nature.

OK let's agree that something(God in ur own words)was responsible for the formation of the universe,is that enough to tell us the nature and features that it has
Its just like seeing a person,u know(from experience) the person definitely has a mother but is that enough to tell u who the mother is,maybe her name,age,height and so on ?

I assume u are a Christian (forgive me if I'm wrong) u should be concerned about proving that Yahweh not God formed the universe

DavidEsq:
I appreciate ur honesty. So despite ur freewill, u trusted her to guide ur steps. So let's see how wat God does with our freewill. Since Isaiah 46:10 tells us that God can foretell the future, would that mean that God would peer into our future to see if we would be obedient or disobedient ppl? Without going into semantics, to say God CAN foretell the future, certainly means that God has to actually peer into our future because that would certainly be the way to know wat our actions would be. Does God d that? Let's see wat the bible says. Should we?

Dude I hope that esq u attached to ur name isn't what I'm thinking,u argument is just so weak I wonder how u would win a case for someone
This stuff is very simple when u make it practical

Let's assume ur son is drunk and wants to drive,u know that he would likely have an accident if he drives in that condition,would you still allow him to drive especially if you can easily prevent him not to

The problem is that ur argument is inductive,being a Christian u are of the opinion that Yahweh can never be wrong,so even when it is very clear that something recorded in the bible has certain problems u would rather choose illogical routes to circumvent those problems and justify it than accept that it is ridiculous

Pleas be honest to urself in answering this question I would ask
If you were in Yahweh's position would you go ahead to create the devil knowing fully well that he would use the "free will" u would give it to ruin ur creation ?

Abdulumaratiku:
You can contact this person because I shared with him via WhatsApp

Is that the list of succesful candidates from the 2018 exam,because the reg no of the names on that list starts with 2020,while for students who participated in the 2018 exam starts with 2019

adoyi8:
its ironic that Nigerian students are trying to disprove evolution and the big bang.
When I was in secondary school, my biology teacher skipped the topic on evolution, I had to study it on my own because of SSCE.
In the university, a professor of genetics had to apologize to us before teaching us evolution, he told us that he was a deacon in his church and doesn't believe in it too.
So please my fellow Nigerians stick to your endless debate on if paying tithe is right or not and keep your john 3:16 filled brain away from intellectual things like evolution and the big bang.

I can relate

And who told you that all atheists believe in the big bang theory,what if I say I don't believe in the big bang theory does that mean I'm no longer an atheist

If you want to attack atheists,look for something pertinent in atheism and the only thing you find in all atheists is that they don't believe in god

Answer to ur question,I DON'T KNOW,I have just a little understanding of what the big bang is all about,I don't think it is my job to explain to you how the universe came to be

Your question should be directed to Astrologists, not atheists

A lot of people don't know this but in actual sense he doesn't really earn that amount cos 45% of his salary goes to tax,in Spain its worse,52% of ypur salary belongs to the govt and when players try to play a fast one they get charged with tax fraud,so if manchester united pay de gea 400,000 pounds per week,the british govt collects 180,000 in taxes leaving him with 220,000 pounds as his actual earning

So this whole fuzz is about Juventus winning the supercopa Italiana,something they have won at least 5 times in the last 7 yrs, but suddenly Ronaldo is now in the team so every trophy is now special

1StopRudeness:
There are different types?? Enlighten me

I'm not in the position to do so,but I do know that all gay people are not effeminate (for the males) and masculine(for the females) like ur post suggests

HellVictorinho:
If the Universe has a creator whatsoever, such a creator must be the epitome of extreme insanity.

Well I am not of the opinion that the universe certainly has a creator

1StopRudeness:
U see the problem with gay people??

Can't they just be gay without looking this stupid...can a man just be simply be attracted to a man without one of or both of them conforming to the female gender construct...
I mean everyone is entitled to wateva way he wishes to look...but it's just unconciously confirming that relationships is about men and women if a man still have to form female just to chop d!CK in the asss

don't you think you are generalizing all of them are not like that,there are different shades of homosexual people

Evangkatsoulis:
To you, what is the difference between GOD and the creator of the universe?

"The creator of the universe" as used in that statement represents whatever (both imaginable and non imaginable) that is responsible for the existence of the universe,God on the other hand by conventinal definition is the creator of the universe but besides that there are a whole other features attached to him,for instance God is regarded as a senient being(at least by most people and religions)
I'm not against the idea that something or someone influenced the existence of the universe,I wasn't there when it happened so I can't rule it out,but I have a problem when people make up ideas in their heads to fill the gap,it is best to say u don't know than make up ideas on ur own

Originakalokalo:
OK then.

My daughter did not see my Father.... That's the bottom line...

Everyone could be lying...

She was not in that realm.... She did not see him live.

Yet, he lived.

Yes he lived that is not questionable,the issue is if ur father is who u describe him to be,in like manner we know that the universe must have been formed by a "cause" but is this "cause" really what is described in ur religion as "God",that is the point

So a five your old girl was being sexually abused right under Yahweh's house by Yahweh's servant and he did nothing about it,now if anyone of you was present and this act was occuring would u have simply watched let's say that is possible but if the child in question is ur biological daughter wouldn't u take action,but of course nobody can question Yahweh,he lives the girl more than we can imagine but he chose not to intervene,best decision if u ask me,somebody said "God will heal her ",sure he will
Spits !!!

Omoluabi9:
NOT EVEN CLOSE!

He is not as great as Diego Maradona and Ronaldo De Lima.

If you know, you know...

Because they won the world cup,I disagree

ElidaxZiel:
you quoted me ! That why I reply. I hardly reply comment which is below the reasoning of normal human standard

So a normal human being believes that a person lived for 969 years,like his heart was pumping blood,his kidney was filtering blood,his pituitary gland was secreting hormones as well as other organs for 969 freaking years,don't worry I like my dumbness the way it is

XxSabrinaxX:
You were making a little sense until you blurted out that atheism is a religion. That is simply not true and this line of reasoning just invalidated the rest of your post.

No he wasn't making sense right from the beginning,and to the part of atheism being a religion that is what christians with insecurities say to convince us that we are in the same both as them

GBOKASINCHA:
burnaboy fine ooo...how burna take ugly??

Fine wetin ??

richiefamous:
Have you heard about an artist called Seal?

Or Adele sef

Hermes019:
I've noticed you use this ur analogy several times and I think it is well thought and brilliant but in it also explains why I am not a Christian

Let's expand it a bit

Now you have a daughter and being her father she has no reason to have disbelief in what you say provided
1)she knows that u must have a father so there is no reason for her not to believe that whatever u tell her about ur father is untrue provided it is something not unheard of like saying he was the tallest man that ever lived,she might believe still anyways
Comparing this with the belief in God or rather believing in the Christian's account is quite different, taking the position of the daughter would be u kalokalo,and taking the position of the father would be first ur parents,immediate christian society global christian society and also the church founding fathers(a worthy mention is our old friend emperor Constantine )
Now I would also involve another group which would include those of other religion,atheists,agnostics and freethinkers and in ur father daughter story they would play the role of neighbours and relations who consider the stories you tell ur daughter about ur father as false

U can check it out now

Originakalokalo:
Before I give my opinion about the questions., let me say this....

The mistake many Christians make is that whenever we are unable to answer some questions about life and

existence, we get discouraged and some lost faith totally. Most Christian-turn-atheist fell into disbelief because of some questions they couldn't not fathom..

Then they conclude and say.. "it doesn't make sense "

Whenever I don't have answers to questions about life I just know that humans are limited. ..

.i acknowledge that I don't have all the answers and move on.

I can only exist in a place at a time.. This means I am limited in space. ..we are limited in time, speed and energy.

Even our machines are limited in the speed of operation...

Humans are limited in physical knowledge.. There are so many unknowns in the world of science...We don't even know everything about this planet...

A lot of diseases are yet to have a cure...

We are all so dependent on air that if it ceases in more than10 minutes, billions will die.

What does this tell you?

It means we are limited in what we can do, in what we know and in what we can have access to.

We therefore cannot understand ALL MYSTERIES... Spiritual mysteries are even worst. It is way beyond our league.

As humans, our understanding shall be full when we drop this body in death...

My daughter did not know my Father... because he is dead...

She will only believe whatever I tell her about my Father... She has never seen him and we never see him..

Does that mean that my father never existed?

God exists. He is a spirit. The fact that you don't see him doesn't make him unreal.

He simply exist in a realm you don't have access to.... He is a spirit.

Just as my father existed in a realm that my daughter had no access to. .

You can't understand all mysteries...the devil brings doubt by posing questions you may not have answers to.....

Beware.

It is not possible to have answers to all mysteries.If you understand this, you won't have a problem.

Now, let me answer your questions...

MODIFIED
I've noticed you use this ur analogy several times and I think it is well thought and brilliant but in it also explains why I am not a Christian

Let's expand it a bit

Now you have a daughter and being her father she has no reason to have disbelief in what you say provided
1)she knows that u must have a father,at least from experience no human can be born without a father
2)she knows she can trust what u say since u are her father
3)whatever u tell her about ur father is something she can relate with,for instance u can't tell her ur father was 12 feet tall
4)Your relatives and neighbours are not giving accounts contrary to what you are saying

Comparing this with the belief in God or rather believing in the Christian's account is quite different, taking the position of the daughter would be u kalokalo,and taking the position of the father would be first ur parents,immediate christian society global christian society and also the church founding fathers(a worthy mention is our old friend emperor Constantine )
Now I would also involve another group which would include those of other religion,atheists,agnostics and freethinkers and in ur father daughter story they would play the role of neighbours and relations who consider the stories you tell ur daughter about ur father as false

Now let's relate ur analogy with ur belief

1)We weren't around when the universe was formed so don't have any experience of it,the bible authors didn't have such experience,not even Moses the author of Genesis who we didn't even have a direct contact with,and since we didn't experience the universe being formed,we don't have the right (in my opinion at least) to make theories or philosophies to explain how the universe came to be especially without evidence
2)we don't know the authors of the bible or those who recopied it or those who recopied the later editions,likewise other religious books
3)the bible and other religious books tells us stories that we cannot relate to like a talking donkey and man living in the belly of a fish for three days
4)we have people from other religions and beliefs giving other contrast accounts too which suggests that if at all any is correct it would be just one of them,hence there is a possibility that our belief is wrong

Compare these 4 points with those above and there lies the difference between u,ur fellow christians and me
Now we have a more comprehensive analogy than what u gave us

Earthbound:
It's called having faith and it's not tied to Christians and Muslims alone. My perception is that there's a creator who put everything in place. I'm don't agree with the school of thought that everything happened and happens by chance. This is a lie. If Dinosaurs still existed, what would be the fate of the human race? Nothing happens by chance. One of the reasons why religions still sell is because there hasn't been a global extraterrestrial contact.

It is good u say "ur perception",but the universe doesn't care about ur perception,sorry if that sounds harsh,it doesn't care about mine too nor about the young girl who goes to school only to come back and find her parents killed by an earthquake,when u look at the bigger picture,there is no difference between a human being killed by an accident and an ant smashed under your feet ,if you know just how big and complex the universe is you would understand that if actually there is something out there that influenced its coming into exustence then it wouldn't make sense that it spent its time worrying about some things as infinitesimal as human beings,that is if it actually worries or have concerns,life is easier and less complex when u don't involve all these supernatural or divine stuff,just live ur life according to the law,do good unto others,work hard and be happy,why do u need to involve a supernatural being or whatever ?,to help u find " favour" and maybe give u some advantages over others ?

JasonScoolari:
[color=#CD1076]Good questions but to be sincere, no pastor can come up with the answers.[/color]

Jason come on give it a shot,we won't burst ur bubble too eagerly

ElidaxZiel:
Stop convincing yourself with names man

You don't need to reply me,I'm only posting for those who would be reading this,obviously from ur Op one can imagine ur level of understanding and reasoning

I love this saying although I picked it from the Bible
"You shall know the truth and it will set you free"
Now I would like to twitch that a bit,if you get a very important knowledge such as what or who is responsible for the existence of everything, something 21st century scientists have not and may never discover,it is suppose to give you a lot of access or power to things other people can not do or have,you are supposed to change the world with such information,but it is unfortunate that human beings claim to know "who" supposedly created the universe and the only usefulness of that information is that they feel more special than others and when they die they would live in a mansion in heaven happily ever after
Spits !!!!

ElidaxZiel:
it funny how people use the word nothing, without knowledge about it,, Kindly define nothing and give examples

Infinite regress ? There is nothing like that, who created God is just beyond some HUman comprehension,

It funny, even our so called brain , we use for critical thinking was created for us.

How far do you think human brain can go

Define God
Because going by what u stated above I can only pick that the word "God" as being used by u is just a mere concept that represent what is responsible for the origin of existence of the universe,and if that be the case then we I don't have a problem with u I am agnostic in that regard,but the problem I have is when u give "God" other characteristics not obtainable from ur thesis and of course that is the purpose of ur thread,several christians love to use this took,instead of finding evidence to demonstrate that ur Yahweh is superior to other gods u are busy hiding behind the term God which doesn't mean anything actually

P.s Christians are not those who believe God exists, Christians are those who believe Yahweh exists

What u should be proving to us is that Yahweh exists not "God" exists

I don't have a problem with you if you say a creator exists,but the problem I have is when u say that the creator is "God", if you find a car on the road u definitely know that a person left it there (from experience a car cannot appear by itself)but that is not enough information to say that the owner of the car is named John,if u feel that the universe or rather creation as u say must have a creator since " everything" must be created(now this is ur own opinion) it is not enough to say what the creator is or what it looks like.Saying a creator does not exist and saying God does not exist are not the same thing,an atheist by definition is not a person who says "a" or "the" creator does not or cannot exist,an atheist is a person who says God does not exist !!,it might seem complex for u to understand this because people look at the word "create" or "creator" from a narrow minded perspective

chloride6:
Are you sure she aint that bad ?

Dude she is 43,how ur wife go dy when she turns 40

chloride6:
So a full blooded Nigerian married this ugly hawk?

Chai

No talk am again,Kerry Washington fine abeg,na just say she slim, no be David Beckham marry Victoria "skinny" Beckham

Correct me if I'm wrong. You left christianity because, just like many christians, you never understood it in the first place.

what do you mean when you say I never understood christianity ?

You had (still have) questions that either weren't answered at all or the answers you got didn't make sense.

Yes a lot of them, and actually I got answers to them later on

2. Let's say you meet God (assume he exists), what question(s) would you sincerely ask?

1)If he has genitals
2) what he thinks of his colleague Allah and his worshippers
3) why he created the mosquito

Nwaikuku2:
[quoe author=Martinez19 post=74329260] Nobody knows who or what created everything that exists. But the bible gave a concrete prove on how God created everything on earth with the power of words

Everything u say ?,very well,on what day did Yahweh create bacteria ?