₦airaland Forum

Jokerman:
Are LGBTQ+ behaving like normal human beings?

What do you mean by normal human beings ?

Jokerman:
Please ban the accursed LGBTQ+ idiots...

The hate you have for your fellow humans just because of their sexuality is similar to the hate those Muslim folks had for the girl they killed,the only difference is that you are civilized enough not to physically confront the LGBTQ folks

okwusdaddy:
Not true.

He said Most not all

seunH:
Not Christian God specifically sir, I mean a Creator/Originator kind of God. Also medical science is going in the direction of an intelligent designer with regards to origin of existence of humans. In conclusion, in addition to non satisfactory alternative explanation, science is pointing in direction of an intelligent designer. A typical example is the kidney, there is no explanation of it's existence aside an intelligent designer without sounding stupid

Okay
So what is the origin of the intelligent designer ?

Kobojunkie:
Did God Himself indicste there is the opportunity to enter into such Covenants with Him?

Yes

Did God indicate that He is concerned about the "lives" of these millions you refer to?

Yes

Dorwadora:
Eweeh.... Who let the dog out?..... See as the thing dey pepper your body? Okay.... Drink water bruh.... Your brain is obviously dehydrated... Pele....

I've once got a conversation like this with you.... I told you to drink water and you got your sanity back.... Go drink water again... This time make it a litter.

The funny thing is that most of these people attacking you and screaming prolife won't waste time to support an abortion if they get a girl pregnant at an odd time. Abortion is illegal in Nigeria but people still dey run am on a daily,when you mix religious fundamentalism with a deliberate effort not to reason this is what you get otherwise what is a month old foetus compared to the life of a full grown woman. Any day anytime I will support the comfort and welfare a woman ahead of a foetus. All these people screaming prolife should go to motor parks and markets and see countless children on the street begging.

BanevsJoker:
What of the rights of the baby in her womb?

What if we look at it this way,what the woman is doing is simply removing the foetus from her body,or does the foetus have the right to remain in the woman's body against her will ?

Upworkwriter007:
An unborn baby is a body part? Really?

Which of these do you think is more important
The arm of a full grown human and a month old foetus

killmods:
The biblical version is still much more convincing than ur evolution.

The biblical version is only convincing to those who were taught Christianity as children when they were at their utmost gullibility,and grew up into a society where everybody believed same.

seunH:
There is no other explanation without sounding stupid, so Yes

So God,to be very specific,the Christian God exists because you feel we don't have a satisfactory explanation of how human beings came into existence ?

Kobojunkie:
Hold it... did God make a Covenant with Nigeria promising that He would fix it if....?

Yes some Christians have entered Covenant with God to fix Nigeria

Why would God need to fix Nigeria on behalf of anyone?

Because it affects the well being of hundr D's of millions of people

MaxInDHouse:
Power in His case is about saying something and making sure He fulfil it, in fact His name JEHOVAH means "one who promises and fulfill without fail"

Well that's not special,he only needs to say things he can very well do. I can be like that as well, promise you MaxInDHouse that I will eat dinner tonight and I sure will fulfill that.

What I want to know is
If he isn't omnipotent then what are the things he can do and the things he can't

MaxInDHouse:
Is there anywhere in the Bible where the word "OMNIPOTENT" is found written?

Well that's the handiwork of misconception, the true God of the Bible never claimed to be what most misinformed religionists are claiming.

So what is the spectrum of his power

Dtruthspeaker:
Because you are home by 10 would you say you are subject to your own law?

If I set an alarm to wake up by 4 am every morning then I'm subject to that in the sense that I have to obey the alarm. If I flout it then I'm not subject to it. If your God abides by a law whether he made it or not he is subject to obeying that law so he is subject to something.

Ken4Christ:
It is our duty because the authority to rule the earth has been transferred to mankind. It will be unfair for instance to employ a manager to manage your company and you will be interfering with his job. Allow him do his job. If you are not satisfied, you can fire him and employ another manager.

Is man fit to rule the earth ?

God did not allow Satan. It was Adam who gave Satan the advantage over him. But our Lord Jesus has come to redeem mankind out of his power or dominion.

If God doesn't allow something to occur how come it occurs
You would always run into problems and contradict yourself when you try to defend the indefensible
If God is truly all powerful how can a thing occur when he didn't allow it ?

Yes, it's true that God heard the prayers of one man, Elijah and he did as he commanded. There was also a time that prayers could not save Israel. God allowed them to go into captivity for 70 years in Babylon because of their sins.

There will be a supernatural intervention. Some of us are already praying night and day. And the Lord will hear.

All the best,keep praying

MaxInDHouse:
NO! He CAN'T lie! Titus 1:2


He can't save those who are determined to die!
For instance when God told the perfect human pair (Adam and Eve)
But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die! Genesis 2:17 compare to 3:3
God can save them from dying because there is an antidote for death in the same garden called the tree of life, if God should allow them eat of the tree of life they would have lived till today and that will make GOD a liar so He asked angels to guide the tree of life and drive the first human pair out of the garden {Genesis 3:22-24} ever since then mankind have been searching for the antidote for death but even the wealthiest has failed to find it with all their wealth.
So God CAN only save those who love to keep living not those who doesn't cherish life! John 3:16

So your God is not omnipotent afterall
I see

Dtruthspeaker:
When you make a law that all your children and household are to be in your house by 10pm, is it not your right and choice to be home by 10 too?

You certainly do.

That is what it means to be A Ruler.

I asked you a simple question that requires a simple answer I don't know why you like beating about the bush
Anyways from your response I take it that your answer is yes(you see why I prefer you answer questions with one word so I don't assume). In that case you agree that God is subject to his law,the reason for that is not relevant at this point, the important thing is that your God is subject to something
I rest my case

Dtruthspeaker:
Can a novice beat Magnus?

No, it is impossible!

So, the question is and will always be "what is Magnus doing in allowing a novice win?

And the Answer, in the case of God is Law for He did Law, that His Law (Word) shall be honoured even above His Name.

And what does The Law Say?

"No One shall Save a Person who does not want to be saved"!

So God is subject to the Law he made ?

paxonel:
The bible

Be specific
Quote passages to support your claim

We have seen handicaps doing great things, greater than what a lot of wholesome people can do. So, being deficient has nothing to do with the physical state of the body, it is a problem of the mind.

You know, it's good that one is seeing himself or herself being whole in the body and healthy. But peradventure if anyone is handicapped by any circumstances, so long he is alive he has the responsibility to keep himself happy and be functional to the society doing things that will put value to himself. By so doing, his current situation wount be a problem that require a miracle.

So I take it that you don't mind having a handicapped child then ?

no,
I'm not the position to school you on your belief, I'm not even trying to convince you to believe in spirits

All I'm saying is, people like us that believe, have seen what you are yet to see, that's the difference.

It's like I choose to read a book and know it content.
You choose not read the book so you wouldn't possibly know it content, it's normal.
But by the time you hear me speak about the book and you ask, where is the proof of what i have just said? Then i will refer you to the book i read.
If after that you still choose not to read the book, that means you will still not possibly know that there is a proof until you have dedicate time to read it.
So, pending on anytime you choose to read your position about the book should remain neutral

Okay fine,still doesn't change my perspective

elated177:
Like people don't have multiple monikers?
You sound like him.

Okay,but I'm not workch

MaxInDHouse:
There has never been a time God support human government because they're sitting on a seat that doesn't belong to them:
Setting standards for their fellow man! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

So what do you propose

And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever! Holy Bible

How does "........all these kingdoms" translate to all the modern day governments

Establish in the text needs to be understood in line with what God permitted not that it's His plan from the beginning otherwise He won't say He's coming to destroy them all! Daniel 2:44

You can choose to interprete that passage whichever way you wish,I've read it and I'm literate and I can deduce that the bible states clearly "every government authority comes from God and believers are admonished to obey it" you can twist it the way you like it's up to you

paxonel:
no!

Except in a situation that requires the spirit to intervene. Such situations are not common in this present era because humans are knowledgeable enough to profound solutions to a lot of problems compared to the primitive times when the bible was documented.

how did you come about this knowledge

So, we read in the bible that God intervened and heal someone infected with leprosy. That isn't necessary anymore today because, through advancements of medical science diseases like leprosy were largely eradicated in the human population.

How about growing an amputated limb,the only thing science can provide is a prosthetic and that is still very much deficient

because you have not yet encounter anything in the spirit or anything from the spirit.

That's why you should remain neutral pending on whether you will encounter such thing or not

You are a mere human like me and as far as I know you are not in the position to school me on whether a spirit exists or not or what a spirit is in the first place except when you prove so. I do not believe in spirits,period.

elated177:
Nope! I don't have any defect. Do you?

Are you saying that you are not workch?

this is funny
I'm not workch, can't you see my moniker

Ken4Christ:
Good question.

He died so that mankind can be redeemed from the power of darkness. And he already did that. But only those who believe in him will benefit from it.

Satan has been defeated but he has not be dethroned. He is still the god of this world. But those in Christ are not of this world. We are not under his dominion.

What does the bolded mean

MaxInDHouse:
You missed the import of my post!
Material possessions that must be protected by armed security guards is what i don't need.
Can you walk freely with your phones?
But can Dangote, Otedola or Adenuga do the same even when it's the same type of phones they have with them?
That's what i meant!

Alright

Humans are social beings so we don't need any government to tell us all what you're saying, all what we need is come together and reason as a community on how to cohabit as intelligent beings. Whatever will lead to forcing people to abide by rules that will benefit them is EVIL. We are not animals so if we reason as a family we will live as a family but once you're using weapons to intimidate others or compelling them to abide by certain rules then it will always lead to more and more and more troubles!

You are taking an interesting position,are you saying that you prefer a society without a modern day government ?

Try to read the whole chapter of Daniel 2 and meditate on the highlighted.
God's word is talking about different forms of government mankind has been trying for centuries before they now concluded on DEMOCRACY which is the government of the people by the people and for the people. This system is what Daniel emphasized on when he said this government will not be passed unto other people (unlike democracy where you must CHANGE the one ruling whether he's performing well or not)
So God's word condemns all human government that's why God is coming to DESTROY them all! Daniel 2:44

Where in that passage is it precisely stated that it was referring to all the governments of the world,show me

Of course we must be submissive to them since they're taking the pain to manage the troubles their hopeless policies caused.
Imagine if everyone is to be paid the same wage (as God's Kingdom promised) do you think they will need security operatives to keep people in check or force them to obey their rules?

This is your cup of tea,the passage admonishes christians to obey and submit to government authorities and clearly states that all government authorities were established by God whether your denomination agrees with what the scripture says or not that passage is definitely progovernment

Dtruthspeaker:
Smh! A Person who is trying to save another person in trouble does not fail where his attempts to save is frustrated by the very same idiot who requires rescue.

The Saviour does not suffer any loss or harm, it is the idiot who shall continue in his suffering until he dies.

But The Saviour is fine and unaffected.

What the fellow is saying is that it is embarrassing to acknowledge that your God failed at something,it's just like saying a novice beat Magnus Carlsen in chess,it can only happened if Magnus didn't want to win the game because there is no question to his ability,the guy beats champions in the game of chase while blindfolded
Likewise if God is all-knowing and all powerful he can't fail because he would know if a plan would work or not and if he wants to achieve something(in this case) saving humans he should be able do that very easily with human cooperation or not,if not then that raises two questions.
Can he do everything ?
How willing is he to save humans ?

Dtruthspeaker:
Ambiguous Question, however, my Answer is God has Already Planned on Changing this world by destroying it and making a new one with only good doing people in it.

You are funny,I asked a simple question which requires a simple answer
Can God fix Nigeria,your answer should be either
YES
NO
I DO NOT KNOW


I don't know what to deduce from the response you give,do you mind picking one of the options above

paxonel:
His role is to judge in the spirit realm and not in this physical existence because he is a spirit.

As humans in the physical realm are we affected by the spirit realm ?

Now, do you ever perceive the spirit realm before, be sincere?

I don't believe in the spirit realm

MaxInDHouse:
Of course i need food, clothing, shelter and Money not enough to hire armed security operatives for protection!

You said you didn't need material possessions I'm glad you have realized you do

We pray not for them to fix anything but for them not to tamper with our ministry due to their confusion as they jump from one hopeless policy to another.
We pay them whatever they demand so they won't blame us for their failure.

Well if you must know if they don't fix anything like you said your ministry would be tampered with. If the government doesn't make good policies roads won't be fixed so how would you travel to remote places to preach,if the government isn't working people would face more temptations to commit crime,how does that help your ministry,if the government isn't working waterways would be a mess and floods would occur more often how do you preach to a homeless person. Whether you like it or not the government of the day and the policies they make affect your life and ministry,a better government would make your ministry smoother and easier it doesn't take a genius to realize that

According to the Bible all human government is anti-God {Daniel 2:44} because it's only God that has the right to set standards that will bring about justice, lasting peace and security which no human government can do! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9

The scripture you quoted says
Daniel 2 vs 44
An in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed,and the kingdom shall not be left to other people,but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms,and it shall stand forever

Please show me how that passage refers to all human government and how it shows that human governments are anti-God

Meanwhile
Romans 13 vs 1-2
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves

Romans 13 vs 6
For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing

@ Ken4Christ

First, it is our duty to fix Nigeria and not God's.

Why is it our duty and not God's,who created Nigeria ?
Who do you think is in a better position to fix Nigeria,a few good willed Nigerians who are powerless against the powers that be and are in the multitude of numerous corrupt,illiterate and hapless citizens or God who is superior to all

Second, Satan is the god of this present world. Adam lost the dominion of this world to Satan. This is why the world is the way it is.

And this is so because your God allowed it to be,how does this make sense to you,so God gave the dominion to one man and he fluffed it and God decides that all generation to come billions of people would suffer for one man's disobedience so he gives the devil control over the world,great !!!

Thirdly, we can only get the intervention of God through prayers. Prayers are at different levels. Some issues demands days of fasting and prayer like Daniel did in the Bible.

So you think Nigerians haven't prayed enough to attract God's intervention ? How much did the man by the pool of Bethsaida pray before Jesus healed him ?

Forth, if God's own children who are supposed to stand in the gap are living in disobedience, then, it will be difficult to get God to intervene.

It took only one man,Elijah and God witheld rain in an entire nation for a couple of years,it are you living in disobedience if not so why hasn't God answered you or must every single Nigerian accept God before God changes the nation

The bottom line is that the church in Nigeria is not united. Some of them harbour these politicians who are criminals. They go to Aso Rock to collect fat envelopes instead of telling the president to his face his errors.

So if the leaders of the church are corrupt then God won't intervene despite the prayers of other faithful brethren

But there are a few people who are praying for divine intervention and I believe it will come very soon.

Oga I put it to you that nothing supernatural would happen,if Nigeria is to be fixed it would be through a normal process there wouldn't be any noticeable event that would even be remotely linked to your God

elated177:
Hilarious! Another poorly thought out thread from workch.

Do you have an eye defect

Maynman:
All are said to be omnipotent and omniscient.
Olorun
Zeus
Odin
Jupiter
Yahweh
Elohim
Allah
Etccc…

Then the joke is on the believers