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Steep:Lols I) When the children continue in the sins of their forefathers they should bear the consequences the sins,the forefathers must have bore theirs. That is how the world works 2) The Amalekites that were destroyed in Ist Samuel did not continue in the sins of their forefathers, rather God destroyed them for the sins committed by their forefathers Thanks |
Steep:Firstly any claim you are making should be backed up with scripture,anyother thing would be considered a rhetoric My point still remains valid until proven otherwise, God annihilated a generation of Amalekites for the sins of their forefather,several hundred years before them . This to me is not moral, c'est finis. |
Steep:Alright fine Matthew 10 vs 34-35 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth : I came not to send peace,but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father,and the daughter against her mother and the daughter in-law against her mother in-law Please explain the above passage for me While you are at it remember my initial argument was that holy spirit can inspire violence but u claim otherwise,consider it a scenario where u are a jury and before you is an activist who claims he doesn't inspire violence but in a book he authored u find a statement akin to that passage I quoted |
Steep:You have twisted this story so I will read that passage and curate it Ist Samuel 15 vs 2-3 Thus says the lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel,how he laid wait for him in the way,when he came up from Egypt Now go and strike Amalek...... Your argument is that it was right to destroy the Amalekites in that passage because they were evil and if they were preserved they would continue to haunt the Israelites and corrupt the world My arguments are this 1) The Amalekites that were destroyed were killed because of the sins of their ancestors as can be deduced from the passage. Your claim that they would continue on that path was not corroborated by that passage 2) I'm of the opinion (and I believe that every sane person thinks so too) that people should not suffer for he sins of their fathers much less for the sins of generations hundreds of years before them As we could see from the passage God annihilated a race not because they committed a crime not because they planned to commit a crime not because they were going to commit a crime in future But because their ancestors,several hundreds of years before them committed a crime You say this is acceptable and your God is just, I say you are dishonest and your God is a monster !! |
The Holy Spirit judged Annias and saphira not Peter, John nor another apostles.Mathew 10 vs 34-35 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother,and the daughter against her mother,and the daughter in-law against the mother-in-law The passage above was inspired by the holy spirit and altered by Jesus himself Makes perfect sense to me that the holy spirit can inspire a person to commit violence, meanwhile we are losing sight of our conversation The argument I raised is that of a person who set out to obey the bible to the letter and ended up killing an adulterer You claimed that the holy spirit won't inspire a person to kill,now I have quoted a verse of the bible that gratifies violence altered by Jesus himself as inspired by the holy spirit please bring your rebuttal Calling holy ghost fire to kill one's enemies is obviously not the will of God because Jesus even taught his disciples to pray for their enemies.What happened to "the kingdom of God suffereth violence ........" |
Let me start by saying that when I engage in arguments with Christian apologists the aim is not to win,but to show how dishonest and illogical their arguments are and I think anyone who read ur respons, including Christians( the honest ones) would agree that your submission is laughable Forgive me for the ad hominem let's get to it Annihilating the amalekites is the answer, this because of their past present and future activities.Of course !,they are lesser human beings wiping them out from the surface of the earth is the best option this doesn't make any sense, It is like restricting the lives of Israel while the amalekites increases in number and at the same time corrupt the rest of the world.Why would it make sense when its not the option your God choose Oga I didn't say God should build a wall to shut out the Israelites away from the rest of the world,I said God should build a wall that would restrict the Amalekites from having access to the Israelites. Alright lets assume u didn't get what I said let me repeat. Would it be better if God built a wall around the Amalekites inhibiting any access to the Israelites,such that doesn't adversely affect the economic interests and survival of both parties ? Now before you say that constructing such wall is impossible,remember that God can do the impossible,but you are still welcome to say so God stop a man from exercising the free will he gave him?To save the Israelites. If God went to the extent of destroying a whole city,why couldn't he explore a simpler and less gruesome alternative. Meanwhile you are twisting my questions. I said God could have manually intervened what that means is this,if an Amalekites shot an arrow at an Israelites God could deflect the path of that arrow or form a shield around the Israelites, stuff like that,how does that affect free will except if free will means that whenever a person proposes to cause another harm God shouldn't intervene and if that was the case then every Christian would be dead. Meanwhile there are instances where God manually interevened in the interest of the Israelites like when the egyptians were chasing them,u remeber forming a cloud of fire ....,u also remember the prophet from Judah(that was killed on his way home by an animal) when he went to the king to deliver God's message someone tried to strike him and God hungthe persons hand I've listed precedents from the bible before you tell me that God doesnt do such,now review your answer He will punish the actions of humans not stop the from exercising their free will.If this very statement was to be the case then a person can chop off your head right now,maybe get sentenced to death, repent before he is executed(you know he can be in ATM for like 5 years) and then both of you will sing hossanah in heaven, how would you like that ? this does not make sense because the amalekities could easily persuade other nations who can see Israel to destroy Israel.The funny thing is that you always start by saying "it doesn't make any sense". Simply say " I won't take this option because it would make my God loom bad for doing what he did" and we would get it,but don't worry I will take this ride. Fine let's say they engage other nations,what if God was to bring selective blindness (that is to say that only Israelites would be invisible to the person while he can see other things) to anyone be it Amalekites or the people they connive with to hurt Israelites would you review your choice ? God only changes the heart of those who accept him.The bible records that God hardened pharoahs heart(that counts for a change) but Pharoah didn't accept him ab innitio what do you have to say about that |
Steep:1) is this position based on the scriptures or your personal view of the holy spirit,corroborate that statement with verses in the bible And bear in mind that you have to bring verses that clearly proof that the holy spirit can never command a Christian to kill,it has to be expressly stated or clearly implied to avoid confusion or a "lost in translation" scenario 2) considering that God the father and the holy spirit are the same being as you Christians say, and considering that God the father has commanded Christians on numerous occasions to kill isn't your statement contradictory 3) you seem to imply that it is not in the nature of the holy spirit to kill just as you people teach in Sunday school that the holy spirit is gentle,speaks in a fain voice,leaves quietly when provoked. But have u considered the story of Ananias and Saphira,the bible stated that it was the holy spirit that struck both man and wife,so what would u say about that,the holy spirit orphans children too ? Meanwhile has he changed,cos politicians come to that altar,all manner of people come to Church pick the microphone and lie and we don't see no striking P.S when Christians invoke the holy ghost fire in their prayer isn't that asking the holy spirit to do their bidding(kill),so let's get it Christians can command the holy spirit to kill but can't return the favour,come on ! |
kingxsamz:We are used to it,there is no tactics he wants to bring that we haven't seen before. He started by gloating,simple kweshion e don run |
LordReed:Well let's wait and see |
Steep:alright let's do another assumption Let's assume that before God ordered the genocide against the amelekites he gave you the privilege of selecting one of these options for him to execute A) annihilate the amelekites B) build a huge wall around them preventing any access with the Israelites C) manually interfere with any attempt by the amelekites to kill an Israelite D) make the Israelites invisible to any amelekite who proposes to harm him/her E) change the minds of the amelekites so they stop harbouring evil against the Israelites Which would u pick |
Op to answer your question,I will try to persuade the idiot but I guess it won't work so he would nuke us all,that's fine. But contrary to what u are subtly implying,if someone was to get to that point then u can't blame it on his irreligiosity its basically because he is a nihilist and an extremist at that. Theists can be nihilist as fvck too,well I assume you would claim a true Christian won't be in such scenario Quick question,what is your definition of a true Christian, cos I would say a true Christian is one that obeys the bible and the holy spirit. Well if we accept this definition what do you think about this Mr X is a "true Christian" and sets out to obey every instruction given by God in the bible according to the guidance of the holy spirit,he lives his house in the morning before nightfall he is already in police detention for murdering an adulterer,he claims the holy spirit gave him the permission to do so Now what does that make Mr X ? A true Christian, no ? |
The closest humanity has come to being totally nuked would be the Flood in Genesis(if we are to believe the bible like you do,Op) and who was responsible ? Your already know the answer You know there are many interesting things about Noah's ark,I mean I often say to myself how brainwashed can a man to believe that story hook,line and sinker,but here is one that is related to our subject of discourse. Now God asked Noah to warn everyone about the destruction that was coming so they could enter the ark and be saved,my question is just how many people could he have warned. I mean except if the only humans in the world were living in the same town as Noah(which I assume not to be the case) what happened to those living in the other continents,they weren't even given a fair chance to decide,that's by the way Op ur effort to defend the indefensible (the genocide against the amelekites) is shameful,that passage is so gory and disgusting, there is no excuse for killing people because their ancestors committed a crime and u predict that they would do so,if we were to apply that standard in today's world there would be chaos,there are many other ways ur God would have settled the case what if he had erected a very huge wall between the amelekites and the Israelites preventing them having access to each other there wouldn't have been any need for any bloodshed don't you think |
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Kingcalls:What if Messi wins the FIFA player of the year award I remember you once said Messi won't win the balon d'or this year Meanwhile Messi is still the favorite to pick the Fifa player of the year cos that one even seems to recognize achievements with country more than the balon d'or |
Pls house I need help with this As regards the Proof of Sponsor if your benefactor doesn't bear the same surname will it affect your chances |
Asgard73:Which Sec sch MBJ,MCA,ISSU/ABSU abi FGC Okigwe ? |
HellVictorinho3:Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you brother |
Don27tiky:Me too I'm a Man u Fan but I Stan Messi anytime anyday The interesting thing is that at the beginning I hated Messi and Barcelona with passion and idolized Ronaldo because he played for Man utd. Infact in 2014 I supported Germany in he finals and even up till Ronaldo won his last Ballon d'or in 2017 I was a strong fan. But over the past 3 yrs or so I have become more matured and gone past sentiments and I can say with my full chest that Messi is a better footballer than Ronaldo. I support man utd and always will,I love Ronaldo as well that won't change but the truth is there for everyone to see. Looking back I hate the fact that my bias denied me from enjoying the mesmerizing Messi at his prime,I guess I can say that I hated him because he was just too good and of course on two occasions my darling Man utd lost to his Barcelona |
Datedoboy:In 2018 Messi was highest goalscorer in Europe and had the highest assists as well won the league just like Lewandowski did this season but Modric won the award and Messi came 5th nobody complained because the world cup was a major criteria This year Lewandowski was the highest goalscorer and won the league just like Messi in 2018 but unfortunately he didn't perform well in the euros while Messi won the cops america,this is very similar to 2018 but of course you are entitled to your opinion |
I don't know why we have chosen to continue with this victim mentality Whenever a black looses to a white it becomes racism Mendy was fantastic for Chelsea and won the champions league,I admit that last season based on individual performance he was the best goalkeeper Donnaruma was also fantastic and even more in the Euro he won two penalty shoot outs for Italy and was crowned the best player of the tournament For me it was a close call if I was asked to vote I would give it to Mendy but that doesn't mean he was cheated,majority of the voters choose Dona and that's it In 1995 when George Weah won the balon d'or he didn't win the champions league but yet he won it Everything is not racism |
OVB123:You can believe anyone you like is the winner that is your own cup of tea you can even stop watching football nobody cares |
JohnnyPalmer:They can keep wailing from now till forever it doesn't change the fact that Messi has won it |
fergie001:Glad you have lent your voice on this one sir What of in 1999 Manchester united won the treble,Beckham was in the form of his life but Rivaldo won it what do u have to say ? |
SwayB:Experts please could you attend to this |
Datedoboy:Why does Lewandowski deserve it ? If you say you like Lewandowski and you wish he won because you like him I can understand that But these awards are not based on sentiments Football Journalist from around the world voted for the top nominees and Messi won,its not like its Messi Fans that gave him the award Let me list some of his achievements in the year under review He won copa del rey He was LA liga's top scorer He made the most assist in LA liga He has the highest man of the match awards for any player in Europe's elite leagues He won the copa America He was copa America's highest goal scorer He had the highest assist at the copa America He was the best player at the copa America E.t.c What was Lewy's major achievement He won the bundes liga He won the German super cup He won the FIFA club world cup He was bundes liga top scorer He was Europe's top scorer How can you still claim that between these two guys Lewandowski was more deserving of the award |
TruthSocial:First of all Lewy was deserving of the award in 2020 because amidst all the honours you mentioned he had he won the champions league,u omitted that. So it was pretty simple This year Continental competitions took place,let's look at this way The factors considered are the following Your individual performance as a player(goals,assists,man of the match awards and the rest) Your contribution to your team/your team trophies Now Messi and Lewy had amazing individual performances,depending on the indices that you chooses either could be argued to be better than the other,if all you are concerned about is goals then Lewy had a better individual performance but if u include other indices like assists,man of the match awards,points won per goal then Messi beats him hands down, but let's just assume that both have comparable individual performance Now coming to the second part,team performance, Lewy didn't win anything spectacular and by that I mean the champions league,euros or world cup,Messi at club level didn't win anything spectacular but then he won the copa america So there u have it This thing is actually pretty simple is just that you guys are blinded by sentiments For the likes of Jorginho,while he won more team trophies than Messi,Messi showed more individual brilliance than him,following my line of though the real contest should have even been between Messi and Jorginho because at least he excelled more than Messi in achievements with his team, Lewandowski wasn't better than Messi in any department except goals scored and if that is your criteria for winning the balloon d'or then Messi should have like 10 by now |
abbey621:Its interesting out pointed out that Lewy's national team is weak and used it as an excuse for his failure but why didn't you also credit his strong club side for his success,at Bayern do you know how many chances he gets in a game . You said he led Bayern to the bundesliga title,without Lewy Bayern would have still won the bundes liga,they had won it like 4 straight times before he joined so how is it that you single him out for praise for them winning this one Lewy and Messi thrived at Club level in terms of their individual brilliance,but none won anything spectacular with their team since they failed to win the champions league or even reach the semis However Messi succeeded with Argentina and son the copa America in style putting in an amazing performance in the tournament What part of this is difficult for you people to understand,based on individual performance while Lewy has more goals,Messi beat him on other indices suh as assists,chances created,man of the match awards and other indices used to rate a player's performance Then at country Level Messi won an important title while Lewy flopped,whether his team is poor or not that is inconsequential, like I said the fact that Lewy is scoring so much goals is largely because he is at Bayern,things would be different if he was at Hertha Berlin or Augsburg How else can we explain this things for you guys |
OVB123:Actually you are the one that is biased Messi won in 2009- clearly deserved,he won a treble 2010- controversial but Ronaldo was not even in top 5 2011- Well deserved,won the champions league 2012 - Well deserved,Ronaldo isn't even in the top 3 2015- Won a treble 2019- Didn't win the champions league but was magnificent individually and won the league wit barca,Ronaldo on the other hand failed to win the league with Juventus,he wasnt even series A's top scorer 2021- Ronaldo isn't even in the top 3 So please which years are you referring to |
OVB123:Are you kidding me Rinaldo had better performance than Messi in 2011 and 2012 when he won his 3rd and 4th Ballon d'or 2011 that Messi won the champions league,LA liga and was runners up of he copa del rey,2012 that Messi scored 91 goals in a single calendar year,some of the things out guys say in a bid to defend your favs are just unbelievable |
IronGalaxy:How was he cheated Yes Lewy shone at the domestic level and was Europe's highest goal scorer last season but that was all Messi on the other hand was la liga's highest goal scorer and had the highest assist and excelled with his country winning the copa America and finishing as the top scorer,most assists and best player,doesn't that give him an edge over Lewy Come on ballon d'or isn't merely presented to the individual with the most goals in Europe,in 2018 Messi had the most goals and assist in Europe,won the LA liga,his stats were better than Lewy's stats this year but he finished 5th Let's be objective You wanted Lewandowski to win,we understand but saying he was cheated,come on |
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