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olumidaie: that chichi guy in a big NO because he is an americana; he wouldn't be able to put the naija swag especially the pidgin.

The dede dude is also a big NO because he isn't an actor, and he is too old. Besides, despite he being with fela for ages, it does nit necessarily mean that he would be able to imitate fela.




As for the job; I think their so many potential FELAs in WARRI who can throw that pidgin; or JAMAICA who have the craze and 'razness', and of course marijuana.

It is very obvious you don't know what is required for a box of this nature. To get a local Warri guy for international box office?You must be joking.

For your information Dede is a trained graduate actor with acting awards. You only need to see him performing afrobeat and see if you can separate him from Fela , that's if you have seen Fela live performance. Fela died when he was still in his 50's so what makes Dede to old? Is he to act as a teenager. ?

I believe Chinwetel can play the role. It is not the usual 2 weeks nollywood production. He can stay in Warri or Lagos for some weeks and get his pidgin lines. Mind u he will also speak queen english because Fela speaks the 2.

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yuzedo: Mr. Ibu should play Fela!


Ok on the real, we all know Dede would've been the ideal candidate but Producers need to make their profits. (And Dede isn't even a professional actor sef.. E neva even act for kindergarten play sef)

With a lot of application and dedication, Chinwetel as the versatile actor he is can interprete the role just as well and is marketable to the international community which is the target market.. They are the ones going to swell the box office takings, not an unknown Dede.


P.s. No homo, but Chinwetel handsome AF! Lawd!

My banana iceland pal! You are very wrong on Dede. Dede is an actor, a graduate of theatre art, Uniben before joining Fela band. Has acted in some local box office movies. .

However I agree with u on other facts. There is no doubt that Dede is the alter ego and god son of Fela. (Dede dei de on the sax.). He is into Fela than Femi and Seun who prefer to stand alone and not be seen as living on Fela's glory.

Dede is more of a musician than an actor and the film producers must have scouted around for the best material I believe the ability to speak pidgin is a must for this role however I am not sure Ejiofor could deliver his lines smoothly as a Warri bred Dede or any other Nollywood actor. As a good actor with Nigerian heritage, I am sure he will learn very fast. With little make up he will fit into Abami Eda role and facial look.

@ op. This is the 5th thread you are opening to disparage the people of South West in the last. 2 hours.
What sort of fun do you think you are having by promoting with your divisive tendencies and posting tribal bashing comments all over.
You are not the only guilty party, this is across board.
It is really saddening because Nigeria will never move forward with this kind of unwise attitude and behaviour.

What is the source of the letter.
I know the Dahomean kings were sturborn but were dealt with by the Egba warriors with the support of the Briton missionaries especially Henry Townsend.
The Dahomey amazons ( women warrior) actually came close to Abeokuta but were massacred twice. They moved across the present Yewa and Anago regions in Benin Republic with ultimate goal of invading the Egbas.
They did not know that unified Egba of Abeokuta was not the old scattered Egbas.

Do these pastors know that the bible talked about them facing terrible judgments when they lead sheep under them astray.
It is better for them to tie a thread mill stone to their neck and be thrown into sea than face the wrath of God over this kind of issue.
I am not judging Pastor Biodun. Don't know if the allegation is true or false but his silence here is not golden at all. Why is it difficult to say YES or NO. Or is it the issue of Nigerians forgets scandals in no time.

He is not the first to be accused of this nature of inappropriate conduct but the allegations of similar past deeds from other sources especially from the Ilorin axis is really worrisome.

Sheep of God please open your eyes widely, develop spiritually or else your so called shepherd ( who is a wolf in sheep coat) would have slaughter you before you know it.
BE WISE and be a BEREAN xtian.

Reading through the article on Omojuwa blog and seeing related comments on twitter especially that of Elnathan John made me really sad.

I purposely stayed far from pastors and other clergy as unlike in my younger days because of this type of experience in the vineyard then . Pastors stealing church money, harassing vulnerable young and poor ones sexually, nepotism and favouritism.

You keep wondering are these guys devil incarnates or just under satanic oppression. Pastor with wife at home moving from one lady to another, sexually harassing junior colleagues in office, leading in sharing bribes in organisation etc.

I fear God because just as he said, judgment will start in His house. Many of these rogue pastors are now living in regrets. They opened themselves up for evil attacks, I won't mention names. For many in the vineyard in the North especially Kaduna /Jos axis about 10 years ago will know some of these pastors. Many have died after suffering from ailments that defied treatment. Some or their family members are now insane.

It is now over a month when this allegation cropped. What is CAN doing about it, where is COZA so called robust response?

prince_onx: You wey go Cambridge, I guess 15yrs, 14yrs, and 17 are all grand pa/ma abi?

Take time to read properly before rushing to comment. The article says 13 out of 90 were teenagers not everyone.

There is no need for this thread:

1. The fact that these guys have Nigerian born father or mother does not make them Nigerians
2. Their main citizenship is their country of birth
3. These guys schooled, developed and trained mostly for free by these countries and you now expect them to come over to Nigeria to play. What is Nigeria contribution to their development
4. What was the fate of the older guys who opted to play for Nigeria in the past - John Chidozie, fashanus, etc. Most were turned away because they had no godfathers
5. Do Nigeria really need them? NO.
There are more than enough footballers
6. Nigerians should be educated and stop being ignorant that a guy bearing a Nigerian name may not be a Nigerian. Leave these guys alone , even when they want to play the system frustrate them. I will rather not waste my time telling my kids to represent Nigeria when their country of birth developed and appreciated them

yuzedo: I will vote this nigga and ensure his victory if he sends me to Brazil 2014 AND 2016 Olympics......




Lol, jk. Nigga gonna lose so bad, his future-future descendants will be jolted by the cataclysmic loss of their progenitor!

Habatically , Chief Yuzedo, with all your banana icewater land properties do u need Broda Ify sponsorship to go to Brazil.
I personally disagree ,

tunshe: If he has a Muslim name,this thread would have accounted for 20,000 views and over 50,000 comments.

Now that he is a Christian,no one is talking about Religion.

SMH for those who hate Islam and Muslims,you better embrace Islam to have an endless bliss.

Nigerians and their tribal and religious bigotry.
First of all, who told you he is a christian or believes in any deity?
Can you point to where in the article that he is described as christian or muslim?
Does an individual name actually shows his current religious belief?
Nna Alpha Onuoha as a name just pointed to the fact that this guy
has a Nigerian heritage ( Igbo ) and for all we know he is an American who has never been
to Nigeria and does not even profess any religion or he is even a muslim.
The 2 Londoners who hacked the poor soldier down bear christian and yoruba
names but are Britons and professed Islam but on the face value one who have taken
them to be Nigerian christians.
Please think very well before posting biased comments

And that's is why she ca never be a president in Nigeria or elsewhere.
Can she even be a councillor in her LGA in Ibadan. Always having post narcotic sniffing brain wave and verbal diarrhoea. No wonder the Canadian authorities kicked her out

solidbroda: Yes we understand. From my own point of view, why does Oyedepo preach as if you going to the hospital is actually wrong!!
Like a Doctor in his health care center may diagnose an ailment on a patient and the Bishop would say, the Doctor is a liar, that such is not the patient's portion. And the patient go home with strong faith.
So, why is it that the bishop Knows that Doctors lie and at the same time still establish an health center?
Can you see a conflicting case here?
It is always good to look in-depth and not look shallow...

A doctor diagnosis being called a lie? Why was the guy placed there in the 1st place?
to diagnose falsehood. Mind u I worked in one these clinics as a young professional years ago.
I am not here to defend anybody but will discuss this issue as a christian medical mission professional. I have read David Oyedepo's books and listened to his tapes over the years. I cannot recall him saying the doctors are liars because of their diagnoses but rather that the patient should believed that they are healed because Jesus had paid for that sickness. Are you in the church or visit the clinic to have known how things really work?

Part of the function of the health centre is to certify that such patients are actually healed by running test to confirm. At least I have been in Canaanland for programmes and have seen lots of people coming to the clinic for different test after been prayed for. Some were actually healed while others were not. After healing Jesus told those healed to go for check up and have it confirmed. It is the ignorant that claimed to have been healed of diabetes without checking blood glucose level only to collapse and die at home.

Establishing Clinic in a church is not just for treatment but for prevention and control. Check ups, investigation and screening.

Finally , I can see that you have made up your mind despite all the examples I gave but am writing this for others to know the facts as I know things to be.

Winner chapel has medical centers in some of their big churches. There is also medical unit where people are treated free on service days.

The church never preached against medical treatment or check up. There are many pastors and members in the church who are also health care providers. Faith Oyedepo was treated in an hospital when she was sick and David Oyedepo always talk of when his child was taken to hospital one time or the other. Paul and Timothy had body infirmities as stated in the bible and have to use .some form of treatment. Jesus did not heal every one he met. It is ignorant xtians that kill themselves for lack of knowledge.

It is really disturbing how you guys come up here to distort facts. I worked in the church medical centre in Kaduna 10 years ago and served in the Winners chapel medical unit in different countries that I have lived.

I have seen miracles, I have seen patients already written off coming back to life. Only a fool doubts a proof In your own opinion the church fakes it so called miracles and also it should leave those who are sick to die without medical attention. So it is wrong for clinic to be established to cater for pregnant women, immunisation, delivery etc.

I understand. Canaanland has a large population with all mix of people coming in and out including those who don't believe in healing like you. So if you collapse while moving around on your fault finding mission, where should they have rushed you to? Oyedepo office or the clinic?

When I was in Kaduna, members mostly have their bill taken care by the church or home cell. If the "BRAINWASHED" members are tired of been EXPLOITED and ROBBED, it is for them to decide to leave or stay, don't be busy taking panadol for other peoples headache when they don't actually have headache.

Last word. MI & Tuface says if people don't talk about you that means you are NOBODY

owhizkid: I did nt want to comment b4, but I'm persuaded to, atleast to correct wrong impressions, sorry abt d errors & short form of writting.
P.s I'm a chosen but I'll like to speak frm an unbiased view
1. Juliet & d gen pastor, may av reached an agreement, I'm nt interested & dnt care.
2. She alleged dat she ws asked to claim being a prostitute. My question is, "IS SHE NT LEARNED" how cn sm1 ask you to lie against God & Ɣøu did it, Ɣøu nw com & say Ɣøu where asked to do so, "DOES SHE NT KNW D CONSEQUENCES OF SELF-CONFESSION"
3. She alleged dat d pastor is an occult man & his wedding was occultic in nature.
D pastor has explained his story during d workers meeting. In which he said, his purpoted was held in 2003 & d woman came to chosen in 2006 dat means she neva witnessed d wedding.
4. She alleged dat d weddin was secret.
D pastor said, he neva had a secret wedding, he told his leaders & workers to com on d supposed saturday of his wedding, but he neva told dem why, cos according to him, he does not want d members to go out of dia way in buying him gifts (including those dat haven't finished feeding dia self would do dat). Those he saw earler were d ones giving IV & taken to d venue.
6. She alleged dat d man in d video was d man dat wedded pastor,
But d pastor said, "HE WAS WEDDED BY AN ISRAELI"
7. She alleged dat d man was black & full of ornament
My DEDUCTIONS: if it was an israeli den he must be a white
*****Nigerians, if d pastor is fake, D chosen TV is dere. Let's all take a closer look at d miracles shown & ask ourselves, "who can do dis?" God or devil?"
Btw. Its only time dat WȊ̝̊̅ℓℓ tell if he is real or not (I'm nt d ultimate judge). Cos I believe d lady could sue d church (after all its registered under CAC) so therefore it can sue & be sued.
She can partner wit humanitarian organisation like Human rights to win in d court. She should stop dis character assasination of d chuch
P.s Ɣøu can ask ♍ƺ any question but let it be logical & intelligent

@ op. I will want you to watch the video from the beginning to the end before making your unbiased judgement. There are some facts there that makes what your Pastor said at the workers meeting not to be true

I watch chosen programmes on satellite TV and I don't have anything against them but just don't support their outlook and dressings.

Just like Paul said, which ever way the gospel is preached the aim should be to bring all men to God through Christ. I assumed that was what the assembly was doing but what came out of this video and the reaction to the so called Linda hell revelation has given a question mark

Juliet showed a lot of documents backing her claims, why can't Chosen disprove all these allegations or sue her rather than still doing the same thing being accused of that is a church intimidating with curses and violence.

The video of the wedding is on internet I did not see any white man but a man that has an occultic outlook. This woman allegations are really worrying

mayten30: also I can never forget mine too,because it is like my phone number stored in my brain.lol.but honestly not knowing her matric number is not enough proof that she is not a graduate from unilag,just try and walk around the school and ask even some students that are still studying and ask them what their matric number you will be shocked that it is only half or little higher that can say it off-hand

A current student who cannot remember his matric no is a not a genuine student but a fake one. U need to write that no for ur assignments , test , registration and other official issues and yet can't remember it as a current student!
That no is on your ID card which is on you everywhere u go. In my Postgrad school we use IDcard to enter gates ,hostels, library, login to computer and yet such student won't remember.
I have forgotten my WAEC no,Diploma no but not my University matric no because I wrote that no almost every week for a test, assignment or exams.
I agreed it is possible for her to have forgotten it but her stories are not really matching up. Everyone is picking holes in her stories. Let her name her course mates, HODs and lecturers.

Does the pastor know about the disappearance of the boy and what did he do?

I don’t know if he knows about it, because it is hard to have an appointment with him, so, the woman is writing letters through his pastors for her to see him, but I don’t know if she has succeeded. Poor people don’t see him, except the rich.

So how does his pastors give account of people who disappear, how do they explain such situation?

They know how all these people disappear, are they not the same as Muoka? Don’t they know what is happening in church? They are not doing anything that is why the woman spent over one year in this open place. Women get lost in the crusade and nobody will see them again, I wish that others who have left Lord’s Chosen will come out to confirm what I am saying. They are deceiving themselves and believing that Muoka is unaware of these things and accuse the pastors of being responsible. Who are they working for, are they not working for Muoka? He said that God chose him to changeNigeria, let him start with his members first.

You equally mentioned that accidents frequently occur when people are coming for crusades. Is it true?

FromLagosstate to Abia state and most times Asaba, Delta state has experienced serious auto accidents where church members who are coming to crusade lost their lives. The one that happened atAbujawas a fatal accident, where the head of the driver was cut into two. Instead of discussing how to rescue the driver’s life, Muoka and his pastors were busy talking about their damaged vehicle. They told the man to go to the police station and report himself, because he spoilt their car. People are dying in their numbers, Federal Government need to investigate this church and know what is going on inside. Look at all theChosenmembers, you will discover that their shoes are torn and clothes worn out. Compare my appearance when I was there and now that I am no longer there, people will judge by themselves. Muoka has a house inLondon, U.S,South Africaand millions in foreign banks.

Don’t you think that it will be very difficult to believe that he will just talk to people and they will sow seed with everything they have and give false testimonies?

If Muoka said that he is a genuine man of God, let him bring out his wedding films, air it on Silverbird, AIT and NTA, so that Nigerians will know where he is coming from. After watching his wedding films, people will tell us Muoka is a man of God or an occultist. His members should watch it and compare it with all his preaching, then we will know what happens in the Lord’sChosen. President Goodluck Jonathan should tell Muoka to release his wedding film, let us know if people will still attend his church. We were around, and we watched the film. He told us that village meeting is a sin and that his members should not go to village meetings, but he went to Ihiala Hall, where Ihiala people worship their masquerade, situated beside a Lord’s Chosen church, why didn’t he enter inside the church and do the wedding since he wanted to do it in that village? Instead he chose an occultist arena because he knew what he wanted to do and gain. Who performed Muoka’s wedding ceremony? Is it Kumuyi, Adeboye or his pastors? He needs to bring out his wedding film, let the whole Nigerians watch it and then everybody will know the hidden things. I want people who are calling him a man of God to see the film, and know if he is practicing what he is preaching. I am saying all these things because of the people who are still in his bondage.

Does it mean that he preaches what he does not practice?

He instructed us to stop buying banned goods and illegal business, but he buys auction goods. All his generators are from auction, such properties like cars and buses were seized from people and later auctioned, and we all know what that means that Pastor Muoka finds delight in buying them. We went for crusade inCotonou, pastor told everybody not to buy rice, but I went inside the market and discovered a Lord’sChosenbus fully loaded with bags of rice. I raised an alarm and they said that the same Muoka who told us not to buy rice, sent them and because of my reaction, they sent one bag to my shop. Policemen should start searching Lord’sChosenbuses, I am saying this as an insider and I know what is going on there. They should search their buses, especially when they are traveling outside the country because there are many things going underground. They carry T-shirts, Apron and handkerchiefs toGhanaandCotonou, is that not smuggling? They are deceiving people.

So, what makes people to sow seed with everything that they have?

Brainwash, I call it brainwash because it is between Muoka and his God, he knows what he uses. ‘Heaven At Last, Your Treasure is in Heaven and you must sow everything that you have in this world’ to his church members to stop helping people, rather, they should bring all the money to his church. After all, his long stories, in fact, he knows what he does to people, and they will sow everything they have to his church and become stranded. He has taught people to stop being kind, and focus their attention on him. His pastors have thrashed people with cane to the point that petty traders around the area are calling them names, and feel that Muoka does not know about their predicaments, but the truth is that Muoka is sending his pastors to flog people and chase them away. He is using people to deal with individuals who are stranded in his church and make them feel that he is not aware of their predicaments. He told us not to gather treasure on this earth, but he is interested in buying houses, cars, properties around the world. He told us to sow seed to enable him build a big branch at Abuja, we did that and Muoka erected an estate at Abuja, which he sells and makes money from, while the people who sow these seeds are dying in penury. If you see the appearance of a Lord’sChosenevangelist, you will know that they are very hungry. I leftChosenafter loosing everything that I have, and today, I cannot afford my child’s school fees, I went to withdraw my son from private school to a public school because I don’t have anything again. This is after using my picture to sell signs and wonders for 5 years.

How did he do that?

He told me to dress like a mad woman, testify that I was mad, but have received healing in Lord’sChosen. He published this testimony in Signs and Wonders and sold it for 5 years, but I have never been mad before in my life. That is the type of miracles that Muoka performs. He brainwashed me and told me to appear like a mad woman, then my photographs were taken and my fake and false testimonies were published in his magazine. Muoka would gather his dedicated church members, tell them to give false testimonies to deceive others to still come and sow everything that they have.

What type of arrangement do you have with him that led you to do that kind of thing?

What kind of arrangement is that? He will give false promise of buying houses, cars and other properties for you, and after, he will dump you. He is a use and dump man. Compare his appearance with that of his pastors and you can’t imagine what you will see. His pastors buy their suits from Aswani market. Many of them cannot pay their bills, children’s school fees and house rents. He put me in the paper to tell people that I was once mad, and I have received healing in Lord’sChosen. Let him bring out all the people he claimed to heal of HIV and AIDS. His miracles are the more you look, the less you see, they are not real. Many sick people come to Muoka, but he cannot give them money to go to the hospital or allow them to use his hospital because they cannot afford his hospital’s bill. His hospital is very expensive, and this is the person who told us not to go to the hospital. He is dragging pure water, “Mama Put” business and minerals with poor people inside his church compound. Instead of him to give sick people who come to him for rescue, money for treatment, he will wave his hand on their faces in the name of healing and such people die immediately they leave the church premises. The only contribution that Muoka has in this country is to collect money from people and frustrate them.

Does it mean that all the miracles he airs on television are fake miracles?

That is what I am saying, they are all arranged. All the testimonies are from his members who have been brainwashed with false promises of everything on the earth. I was once one of them, if Muoka is a man of God who performs miracles, why is he not broadcasting seed sowing? Why is he not broadcasting the scenes where he is asking his congregation, who sow N5 million, N4 million, N3 million, N2 million, N1 million to N500,000? From giving millions to N200, and the whole church will stand and sow seed with their transportation money. People should forget those miracles; they are the more you look, the less you see. If you are sick, have faith in Christ, look for money and see a doctor at the hospital. If Muoka is a miracle worker, why did his wife do a fibroid operation? The Head of Evangelism has a fractured hand; one of the hands is shorter than one, why hasn’t he straightened his hand? The Head of Disciplinary Committee has a fractured leg for many years, why hasn’t Muoka healed him? His wife’s brother has been mad for many years, why has he not received healing from Muoka as a miracle worker? The Head of Foreign Mission had a broken leg in a ghastly accident while on Lord’sChosen’s assignment, Muoka has not healed him. Head of his Administration joined Lord’s Chosen in his quest for fruit of the womb, but his wife has not become pregnant till today, I spent 7 years in Lord’sChosenand turned a barren woman, if not for my first son whom I had given birth to before joining the church. I left Lord’s Chosen and became pregnant and delivered a baby girl. Head of Building committee has glaucoma, Muoka has not given him a good sight, rather he come to the hospital beside my house. Pastors’ daughters are sleeping around, getting pregnant and having illegitimate children from his drivers. Muoka knows all these things, but he is covering such grievous sins because they are partners in crime and business. If Muoka is a miracle worker, what stops him from healing his workers first before going outside? How will someone who has not healed himself heal others? Nigerians should shine their eyes, because the only way to receive miracle is through God’s will.

You mentioned that children usually disappear in Lord’sChosencrusade grounds, is it true?

Children are not the only victims, adults disappear also. Men do loose their wives in crusade nights. There is a woman who came all the way fromAnambraStatewith her son, he disappeared in crusade. Her husband learnt of it, and insisted that she should not return home without the boy. She has been selling pure water outside there and sleeping at open places for the past one year. People are frustrated and stranded; all the traders lining up fromIjesha Roadto this compound are people who get stranded after sowing seed with everything in their pocket, including their transport money. To raise their transportation money back to East, South or North where they came from, they will sell oranges, pure water, and peanuts and even plait people’s hair. For instance, I’m now a petty trader? When I joined the church years back I was working with politicians then and it is because he conned me into giving all I have that is the reason I’m now into petty trading. Today, I am so frustrated that I do petty trading to feed. I have a gospel album, but there is no money to promote it and other things, and it was the same album that Muoka banned. I don’t have money to eat, because a fellow human being brainwashed me and collected everything that I have on this earth. Muoka is not a man of God, because a man of God does not go to the Police Station, if you doubt me, then I will give the date you will appear in court with us.

People are saying that you are speaking against a man of God?

What makes someone a man of God? A man of God is someone who is doing God’s will. Someone who is trustworthy and reliable, according to Matthew 7:5, you have to remove the dirt in your eyes before you will start thinking of removing the one in your brother’s eyes. You have to repent from your sins before you start thinking of converting another person, Muoka will climb the altar and list the things people should not do, but he does evil things behind close doors. Before now, he was using me to fight against other members who were fed up with his atrocities and evil deeds. For instance, when he was fighting with Everest Ofuegbu, he gave me money to write against him which I did, I returned to the church and he was asking me why I did not write that Ofuegbu was an armed robber, kidnapper and killer? He fought me in his office because of this issue. I called him, pastor, how can I write a false story against an innocent man. My conscience started disturbing me over the false story that I wrote against Ofuegbu, but he didn’t care about that, all that mattered to him was that I didn’t accuse Ofuegbu wrongly. What manner of a man of God can engage in such things? If Muoka is a man of God, what provision does he have for the poor, widows, needy and helpless? I was one of his “catchers” who he uses to teach mugus. I call them mugus because Muoka is a businessman and he uses these people and dumps them. Then, he will send us to tell people during crusade rally that there is feeding, housing, transport, all your sicknesses will go and all kinds of basic needs are available in Lord’sChosen. On their way coming, there will be different kinds of auto crashes and many will die. When the lucky ones finally come to the church for the Lord’s abundance, they will work away worse. That is because between Saturday & Sunday, Lazarus Muoka will brainwash them and they will sow seed with everything that they have and become stranded. Many will sow N1 million, others N500,000 till you see people who will give out their transport money because they have been told that if you sow your valuables, close your account, drop the last money in your pocket, God will bless you. Towards the evening time, he will send his pastors to start flogging this helpless people and throw them out from the church premises. On Monday morning after Saturday and Sunday, Muoka and Pastor Leo, the former Chief Security Officer, will start chasing people away from the compound. I was present one Monday morning when a man on the wheel chair was abandoned, Muoka and Pastor Leo were doing their normal routine of chasing people away, and he asked Leo, “are you that man on the wheel chair?” I saw it and know everything because I was an insider. So, he told Leo, ‘Don’t you know that if people see this man on the wheel chair, they will say what we are preaching and practicing here is not true, please go and tell that man to leave or flog him. ‘Do you know that long cane? That is what they use to force helpless and stranded Nigerians out of Lord’s Chosen Charismatic Renewal Mission. Poor people are thrashed and forced out of the church, is that the way a man of God should behave? He took me to the PRO, Human, State CID, alleging that I want to kidnap him, he finally took me to court, is that the way a man of God should behave?

Don’t you think that people will not believe that a man of God dragged a church member to court, simply because she left the church?

If they doubt me, they should visit D2 at Panti, they will see the kind of petition Pastor Lazarus Muoka wrote against me, that I, Pastor Leo and Pastor Innocent attempted kidnapping him. Why is he lying, because we left his church? He is charging us for kidnapping and murder, because we said no to all the atrocities going on in the church. According to him, he escaped and we scattered his church on Easter day, why will a man of God engage in such grievous lies against another person? Ask his church members if anything happened there on Easter day. There are different petition written against me by Muoka in these places that I mentioned, anybody can go there and verify. Is a man of God supposed to go to the police station? He said that God sent him to win 10 billion souls, me, my husband, children, all these policemen he is dragging in church, are they not among the 10 billion souls? Lord’s chosen parade the poorest pastors in Nigeria, because they sow everything they have to Muoka, many sell their cars and houses and bring the money to Muoka, and he makes no provision for them, so, why won’t they be poor?

There is this belief that people are not forced to sow seed and that for you to have sow everything you have was a matter of choice

It is a big lie, I didn’t decide to do it, because nobody will render himself poor and useless. I owned cars, was feeding well, I was a politician and people knew me as Operation Sweep. I was working with top personalities atAbuja, a woman leader in Berger Motors, why didn’t I talk against these people? I have worked with many people and I have never spoken badly about anybody, the truth is that Muoka is a devil, deceiver and anti-Christ. People are dying in his church, so Nigerians should open their eyes and learn lessons from others like me.

Transcript of the DVD by Mrs. Juliet

Pastor Lazarus Muoka of Lord's Chosen Church - Another Man of God That Needs Investigation?

Posted by Myne Whitman Thursday, September 05, 2013 Features , pastors , religion

I just came across the confession of Juliet Ezeonye Idu, who was once a catcher, as she calls it, or evangelizer for of Pastor Lazarus Muoka, the General Overseer of the Lord’s Chosen Charismatic Renewal Mission. She accuses him of using threats and false promises to hoodwink desperate members of his church into parting with their life savings, of staging miracles, and of using her and others to fight his detractors in the press.


When she left the church after a misunderstanding in which her shop was allegedly destroyed by Pastor Mouka,he sued her in several instances to court. It seems the case has been on since 2010, does anyone know how far this matter has gone now?

I joined Lord’s Chosen wealthy, left it poor – Juliet Ezeonye {Sun Newspaper}

“I was a successful businesswoman and leader at Berger Motors and also a politician based in Abuja before I gave my life to Christ. As a routine, I always came to Lagos from Abuja to spend weekends with my family. Sometime in 2004, during one of my visits, I noticed a huge crowd rushing into the church at the Ijesha bus stop. I asked and a member of the church told me that it is a powerful church where miracles happen daily. I decided to suspend my journey to go in there to see things for my self.

“After service, I started hearing voices telling me that I should repent or die. I was scared so I made up my mind to join the church. I became born again and decided to worship God according to the teaching of the pastor.” Before then I had two cars and eight shops in Lagos. When I joined the church, due to the pastor’s preaching on the benefits of giving I gave out most of the things that I had to the church to make heaven. Those earthly things that the church preached against, which included female trousers and jewelries were set on fire. I was convinced that I was committing sin by wearing them, so I destroyed them. I was the founder of Chosen Mopol that is why I am popularly known as Chosen Mopol among the members. I was also the one who started wearing the lemon colour apron that has made millions for the church.”

Trouble at home
Determined to make heaven, Juliet never discovered that her commitment in church had started having negative effect on her family. Annoyingly, when her husband tried to call her to order she simply asked him to leave her alone to serve Jesus.

“My husband accused me of being dirty and unkempt, because I stayed in the church from Monday to Sunday. I no longer had time to cook for my family. I obeyed the pastor’s teaching that I completely neglected my duties as a wife and mother. It got to a point that my husband asked me to choose between him and the church. I told him that I am for God. When he realized that I was not moved by his threat, he divorced me. He argued that I was no longer presentable the way I was when we met. I bluffed him that in heaven there is no marriage.”

Juliet claims that she did not hesitate to inform the pastor of the development in her home and was advised her to stick to her belief. “Everybody was against my belief including my immediate family but I was determined to stick to it. I had no choice but to relocate to the church which I turned to my home. Life became difficult, as there was no help coming from the church. With the aid of a concerned individual I was able to set up a petty grocery shop within the church premises. Through that I fed myself. One day I returned from a church service only to discover that my shop has been destroyed. Members of the church who witnessed the demolition told me that it was people from Alausa that did it.”

Surprisingly, soon after Juliet said she found that demolition was at the instance of the General Overseer, Muoka, on the claim that the shop had become a distraction to her devotion to the church work. “It was at Alausa that I was shown a letter from the GO, Muoka, authorizing them to destroy my stall. Embittered I confronted the pastor who told me that he asked them to demolish my stall because I was no longer committed to the work of God. I asked him to advise me on what to do since I needed to survive to do the work of God. His reply was that I should not worry that God would bless and provide for me. The church was not paying me and that was my only source of living. I was frustrated and told anyone who cared to listen the agony I have been facing and solicited their assistance.

Solution came when a member of the Anglican Church who had bought my CD decided to give me a space in front of her compound, which is also in the estate.“When they discovered what I did, hell was let loose and they kept sending people to me to warn me to close down the shop. At a point I was summoned to a meeting where the Pastor referred me to the Bible where God used Satan to remove everything that Job had. He warned me that God could also use him to do the same to me. I refused to heed their warning and still continued in the church.”

Unable to cope with the pressure from Pastor Muoka, and incessant threat to her life by people she could not identify, but belief should be members of the church, Juliet decided to leave the church and joined a Catholic Church. “I specifically chose the church because one of our members got assistance there when all efforts to get assistance from the Lord’s Chosen failed. When I took that decision, I became an outcast in the church, members especially pastors started keeping malice with me.”

On Sunday November 21, 2010 some touts were sent to stand in front of my shop and ward off anyone who came to buy anything from me by telling them that I am now a Catholic. When they noticed that all their attempts failed, they tried to carry my loud speaker but I resisted them. They left and in the next 20 minutes, two truckloads of security men arrived.

“They insisted that I should go with them but I refused demanding for a warrant of arrest. I told them that I also knew their boss and would confirm before I go with them. It was at that point that they left. I rushed to the nearest police station to inform them of what happened at my shop. I am now an outcast simply because I decided to join another church. I know that members have been brainwashed against me and I don’t care all I want is my safety. Several church leaders have come to tell me that my decision to leave the church would lead to my untimely death as no popular member has left and suffered a pleasant fate. They know that I am saying the truth; I cannot lie against them because I know God will not forgive me. I am only begging them to leave me alone so that I can start my life all over again.”

This weekend, I head to Dallas as World Igbo Congress(WIC) convenes. The last time the convention was held in Dallas was in 2000. I still remember the debacle of that convention when some leaders of WIC tried to smuggle in Abubakar Rimi to headline the event. But those were WIC’s good old days.

As I prepare to return to Dallas, my mind is however on the 2004 convention in New Jersey. Two important things happened at that convention. One was Chris Uba’s confession that Dr. Chris Ngige did not win the Anambra State governorship election of 2003. I reported it in the piece, “An Evening With Chris Uba.”

“In a matter-of-fact manner, Uba stood up and astonished all that were present when he said, "We did not win the election. I have gone to church to confess. The election had no document. I called the result before 12 midnight. I gave INEC the money and asked them to call the result." The revelation caused uproar in the hall. "The person we took his thing is here," Uba said, pointing at Peter Obi who was sitting in the audience. There was thunderous applause as people looked at Peter Obi and some began to call him governor.”

The other thing that happened which I did not report was a private meeting that a group of us had with the then APGA chairman, Chekwas Okorie, at the New Jersey convention. Chekwas gathered five of us into his hotel room to tell us how after the 2003 election, he went to President Olusegun Obasanjo to complain that APGA was cheated. Chekwas said he told Obasanjo that APGA won in at least four out of five states in the East. According to Chekwas, Obasanjo agreed with him. The president asked him to go and choose three states that he would like to see handed back to APGA. Chekwas told us he left Obasanjo’s office excited. After consulting with APGA leaders, he sought an audience with Obasanjo. Chekwas said he could not get an appointment until few days after the election results were announced. When he finally did, Obasanjo told him off. “Go and do your worst,” Obasanjo told him.

Chekwas reflected on the incident and told us how Gov. Bola Tinubu handled a similar situation. He said that when Tinubu of Lagos state heard that there was an effort to rig the election and declare PDP the winner in the state, Tinubu called Obasanjo and told the president that he had 10,000 OPC members in various parts of Lagos state with gallons of petrol waiting to set the state on fire if Iwu’s INEC dared to announce PDP winner in Lagos state. According to Chekwas, Obasanjo immediately called Iwu and asked him to leave Lagos state alone. In Chekwas’ estimation, Obasanjo tricked him by calming him down with a false promise. After buying time and seeing that the people of the eastern states were not on the streets expressing their anger over their stolen mandate, Obasanjo called Chekwas’ bluff.

Another election is set in Anambra state. The dynamics have not changed. Just like in 2003, the presidency is interested in who wins in Anambra state. For the ruling PDP government in Abuja, if APGA wins in Anambra, it is as good as PDP. But if APC wins in Anambra state, PDP is finished – not just in Anambra state but probably in a big chunk of the country.

For the ruling APGA party in Anambra state, the challenge is different. If APGA wins in Anambra state, APGA is finished. If APGA loses in Anambra State, APGA is finished. Gov. Peter Obi has famished APGA so much that what the party is doing in Anambra state is a last dance. For all practical purposes, it has folded its tent into the PDP. After this election a formal announcement of the death of APGA will happen.

On the candidates, nothing has changed. There are always the same four candidates running for governor in Anambra state: a trader pretending to be a thug; a thug pretending to be a trader; an intellectual pretending to be a thug; and a thug pretending to be an intellectual.

The people of the state are the most disconnected from their government anywhere in Nigeria. That was how former governor Mbadinuju could close down schools in the state for one year and nobody cared. Gov. Obi closed down government hospitals in the state over doctors pay for one year and people went about their lives as if nothing happened. The people of the state are therefore susceptible to all kinds of inducements and manipulations as they have little or no ownership in the government that will finally emerge.

Here are the candidates: Willie Obiano, former chief executive of Peter Obi’s bank, Fidelity. He was Peter Obi’s joker in the whole process. His primary job is to cover up Obi’s tracks against the peeping eyes of the EFCC. Obi had to abandon the elected delegates for a handpicked list of delegates made up of his aides and party chiefs to get Obiano victory. In a general election, Obiano, a new comer in politics, hopes that low voter turn out and Obi’s recent willingness to share government largesse will see him through.

In the PDP corner are former NANS president Tony Nwoye and Andy Uba running concurrently from the two factions of the party. Nwoye was a young graduate made the PDP party chairman in the state when Andy Uba ran for governor in 2007. Nwoye is supported by Arthur Eze and his gang, long exiled from power in Anambra State and eager to get their hands back into the tilt. Uba has Obasanjo and his gang and is being used as a chip in the Jonathan’s 2015 game plan. Unless the national party steps in, the decision on who’s the legitimate candidate for the PDP may be decided by the courts long after the election. It gives the PDP an undue advantage of running with two candidates and gathering votes across two constituencies. It worked for Andy Uba in the senatorial election that saw him in the senate. Because the winning margin will be low, whoever gets the nod of the courts, (wink wink, Andy Uba) may end up getting enough votes to win.

In APC is the wounded Chris Ngige. Ngige still holds sway in Idemili South and North but that will not be enough to win the state. According to political operatives on the ground, the Lagos state deportation affair is not a factor in the village level of the electorate. But the Anambra political elite are not excited about Ngige. His ability to sway voters across the state depends on the machinery the APC is willing to deploy in the election. If they overwhelm the state, they could easily get the 25% needed in other parts of Anambra state. In 2009, Maurice Iwu personally vowed that Ngige would not win the election because it would amount to handing over a major Igbo state to a Yoruba party. He declared Obi winner with just 97,000 votes when there are 1.8 million registered voters. What will Jega do?

Finally, there is the Chairman of Capital Oil and Gas, Ifeanyi Uba of the Labor party. Rather than an aberration, Ifeanyi Uba is well at home in Anambra political space. He comes in with accusations of involvement in oil subsidy scam and a bank loan fight with Coscharis Group’s Cosmos Maduka. Worthy of note is that Uba has taken his campaign to the markets in Lagos, People’s Club halls in America and Pubs in Europe. He campaigns with a hunger that tells observers that he needs the governorship stool more than any other candidate. Why is that?

Already INEC has discovered over 93,000 ghost names in Anambra state voters’ registration list. There are more. And the intrigues have not yet started. No doubt, those campaigning at home and abroad with borrowed money and bellicose godfathers will also be campaigning in Okija shrine and all the dark places where elections in Anambra state are typically won.

The Anambra people have no tool with which they can shine their eyes. They have been overwhelmed by mediocrity and low expectation that they are already a loser irrespective of who is announced winner on November 16.

Discounting the dead and those who have moved out of Anambra state since the voters’ registration was last conducted, party workers are estimating that there are over 800,000 ghost voters in the state. I project that the winner of this election is the man who controls these ghost voters. And your guess is as good as mine

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AGBERO CANDIDATE
Submitted by MAURICE OKPAMEN (not verified) on September 3, 2013 - 23:14.

If only the people of Anambra and Nigerian in General will learn how to scrutinise candidate before electing them into various offices in Nigeria half of our political and economic problems will be half solve. it time to get rid of all this AGBERO kind of politicians from our political system in Nigeria.

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ANAMBRA ELECTIONS
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on September 3, 2013 - 22:14.

Good analysis. Going by what I consider your dispassionate piece, I still believe Ngige is the best of the pack. He's been there before and availed himself fairly well, he is academically head and shoulders above his competitors and he has the experience.

Having said that, the choice is the people of Anambra's to make!

I wish them God's guidance

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PROF-ANAMBRA IS A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT
Submitted by HARDCORE IGBOMAN (not verified) on September 3, 2013 - 21:53.

The quality of low-lives littered on the political terrain of Anambra is annoying considering the fact that this state is possibly the state with the most educated elite in the whole SE.
In fact if one does not boast of heavy criminal credentials,then forget about Anambra politics,the miscreants have driven the men of honour into apathy and docility,those who dare raise their their heads are quickly schemed out by the criminal cabals who call the shots.Prof Soludo is an example and Chris Ngige will definitely be mowed down by these criminal elements.
The so-called godfathers have adopted Anambra as a playground for their nefarious activities,the likes of OBJ,Arthur 1000,Tinubu etc are the ones who hold the fate of Anambra people as their votes do not matter.Anambra elections are normally determined in the courts where the equally corrupt judiciary are waiting like vultures for their bribes and dubious verdicts.

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Last week, I had an interesting conversation with a friend who lives in Awka, the capital of Anambra State, and is a senior civil servant in the state. Midway through the conversation, I asked what he thought about the governorship race shaping up in our state. Instantly he exploded in prolonged laughter, as if my question somehow reminded him of something altogether ludicrous. When he finally calmed down, he gave an intriguing – and deeply disturbing – response to my question.

[b]“They,” he began, “have eliminated the best candidates from the game, leaving only half-baked material. And they have said to the people of Anambra, ‘You’re free to go ahead to choose from any of these. That’s the kind of democracy we have in this country.”

He didn’t specify who he meant by “they” – and it would have been silly of me, if not downright ignorant, to ask that he spell out what or who “they” were.

Nigeria is in the grip of a cabal, at once visible and invisible, that assiduously designs a country guaranteed to achieve two seemingly paradoxical goals. The first goal is to generate huge, unearned profit for the few members of this cabal; the second, to ensure that Nigeria is a disaster for the rest of us.

Each state is in the hands of its own cabal, and each political party is shaped by one. Public life in Nigeria – the question of who gets elected or appointed into any significant post, or the way public funds are disbursed/stolen – is dominated by the greed, the grubby interests of this cabal.

In Anambra, the machinations of several sectors of this cabal have left voters with an unsavory set of choices. In a state that produced some of Nigeria’s most enlightened citizens and towering intellectual or ethical figures – Nnamdi Azikiwe, Chinua Achebe, Pius Okigbo, Christopher Okigbo, Oyibo Odinamadu, Mokwugo Okoye – at least three of the prominent candidates in the November 16 governorship election (Ifeanyi Uba of Labor Party as well as Tony Nwoye and Andy Uba, candidates of two factions of the PDP) never earned a bachelors degree or a polytechnic diploma. Of course, the Nigerian constitution stipulates that a secondary school education is a minimum requirement for the governorship seat, so the unlettered candidates are qualified. Still, there’s something curious – and in a lot of ways instructive – about a governorship race in which the odds might appear stacked in favor of the least schooled.

As my friend in Awka suggested, it was as if the powers-that-be in each political party – the putative cabal – took care to expunge those who, on the face of things at least, would seem to be superior candidates. In a stunning move, the leadership of APGA disqualified such aspirants as Chukwuma Charles Soludo, a former Governor of the Central Bank and an undeniably brilliant professor of economics, and Oseloka Obaze, an attorney by training, an aesthete and a retired senior employee of the United Nations in New York. I have been critical of Mr. Soludo in the past, but there’s no question that he’s possessed of the intellectual acumen, political and professional experience as well as vision to be an attractive candidate. The same case could be made for the genial Obaze, a fine man who radiated winsome moderation. Sadly, APGA rusticated both candidates on grounds that struck many as suspect if not spurious.

APGA’s eventual candidate, Willie Obiano, is a retired bank executive with a reputation for being gregarious, a man reportedly fascinated by ceremoniousness and the trappings of traditional institutions. It remains to be seen whether his common touch is wedded to a transformative vision of the possibilities of governance.

Chris Ngige, the candidate of the APC, easily the most popular politician in Anambra State. He earned this appeal by repudiating an evil deal he struck with Chris Uba, a one-time hectoring godfather of Anambra politics. He then consolidated his popularity by defying Mr. Uba and former President Olusegun Obasanjo who tried several illicit tactics, including the use of thugs to destroy public property in Anambra and make the state ungovernable – all in a bid to remove him. When he made a point of paying salaries regularly and built roads in different parts of the state, a people that had long groaned under the misrule of a succession of vicious parasites and their insatiable sponsors came close to canonizing him.

Mr. Ngige benefited as much from the incompetence and greed of his predecessors as from a culture of low expectations where the payment of salaries or the provision of roads is rated an amazing achievement. But there’s no question that his image has lost much of its glitter in the last two years or so. After a bruising battle to claim his Senate seat from Dora Akunyili, Mr. Ngige, a medical doctor by training, seemed to have gone to sleep. If there was any significant bill he sponsored or co-sponsored in the Senate, or any legislative step he took to boost the lives of his constituents, he and his handlers must have worked hard to conceal it from the public. He has been, quite simply, a mediocre, underwhelming senator. Given his self-inflicted injuries as a weak senator, the question is whether he has the residual goodwill to pull off victory in a governorship election where he’s almost certain to be outspent by his other opponents and their backers.

The PDP poses a unique threat, not just to the people of Anambra but to the idea of credible polls. In a reprise of the senatorial race that put Andy Uba in the National Assembly, the party appears set to have two candidates on the governorship roster. The party’s national headquarters recognizes Mr. Nwoye as its legitimate candidate, but the electoral commission has Mr. Uba as their man. This anomalous situation arose from a long-running fission in the party’s Anambra chapter. In 2011, both Mr. Uba and Nicholas Ukachukwu went around campaigning as senatorial candidates for the same seat. Both men encouraged their supporters to go out and vote, each man assuring that he would claim the seat in the end. As it turned out, the courts upheld Andy Uba as the rightful claimant.

In the November election, the PDP must be denied this advantage of putting two dogs in the fight when other parties have one each. It’s a veritable form of rigging, for the party is then able to draw voters towards two candidates, not one. If the party cannot quite decido its candidate is, then it should be disqualified from participating in the election.

Beyond that issue, the voters of Anambra ought to take serious stock of the two candidates representing the PDP’s rival factions. One, Mr. Nwoye, reportedly had his medical studies aborted when the authorities of the University of Nigeria sent him packing. Does he have the ethical and intellectual resources to govern a state beset by myriads of crises? The other, Mr. Uba, long passed himself off as the holder of a doctorate degree. It took enterprising Internet investigators to expose the fact that he never earned a degree. He too, like Mr. Ngige, has done little for Anambra from his senatorial perch. US authorities once fined him $26,000 for failure to declare cash of $170,000 which he brought into New York City aboard a presidential jet. That fine raises ethical clouds that Mr. Uba must address. Where did that cash come from? And how is he going to inspire confidence that he would be a disciplined custodian of public funds if he becomes governor?

Mr. Ifeanyi Uba, the candidate of the Labor Party, is a major player in the downstream sector of the Nigerian oil industry. Like the other Uba, he is far from lettered. I don’t know whether he misrepresents himself as a holding a doctorate, but some Nigerian newspaper identify him with the prefix Dr. From all indications, the Labor Party’s Uba appears to believe that a gubernatorial race is all about vulgar exhibitionism. He zips across the state in convoys of many cars. He reportedly doles out cash, cars and other gifts to traditional rulers and other so-called stakeholders.

Leadership is – leadership ought to be – about service. Which begs the question: Why is Mr. Uba spending such lavish sums if he envisions the governorship as an opportunity to serve? Why bribe voters to hire you to work for them? Does it not follow that, if he ever becomes governor, his first order of business would be to recoup all that cash he spewed – and more? If this businessman is motivated by a desire to change the state for the better, why has he failed so far to articulate a clear statement of his plans? Why has he not disclosed what he understands to be the state’s central problems and stipulated his proposals for addressing them?

Mr. Uba’s extravagant style is particularly curious in light of reports of his massive indebtedness to banks. Last week, the Asset Management Corporation of Nigeria (AMCON) announced its seizure of Mr. Uba’s firm, Capital Oil. AMCON plans to run the company for a period of two years. Is Mr. Uba desperate to grab the governor’s post because he’s been fired, even if temporarily, from running his own company? Does it make sense for the people of Anambra to hire as their governor a man whose firm is so mired in debt that he’s no longer permitted to run it?

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[quote author=nawti][/quote]@ nawti. Can you please provide link for this historical facts. I believe this is a write up of a foreigner telling by the spellings.
It seems there has been animosity from the word go between the two and modakeke has become too big for Ife to deal with
Going by this excerpt It seems Ife would have been destroyed but for the respect of her been a benefactor and the cradle of the yorubas

Let get more facts but I wish the animosity will stop forever because any little thing triggers it. Reminds of the perennial Ofa and. Erinle almost yearly wars.

Animosity of century long always due to farmland. Na wa oo
Thumb up Nawti. This is what nairaland should be, an educating forum not tribal e war ground

Katsumoto: You have mixed up different events.

First, as I stated earlier, the Owu conflict was between Owu and Ijebu/Ife. The Egba were on the Ijebu side except for Ikija which shared the same fate as Owu. After the Owu war, the Oyo refugees under Maye of Ife battled Gbagura (one of the four Egba Clans). The defeat of the Gbagura and the fall of Oorun, led to the sacking of other Egba towns such as Ijaiye-maja, Kosi-kosi and Ibadan. Ibadan was originally an Egba town. After the Egba deserted Ibadan, the Oyo refugees settled at Ibadan under Lakanle. So it isn't accurate to state that the Ibadans subjugated the Egbas.

Second, you are correct when you stated that the Egba arrived at Abeokuta at different times. Egba Agbeyin arrived first under Sodeke, followed by Gbagura under Ojo Gbagura, and Oke suna under Olunloye. Olufakun led the Owu last to Abeokuta.

Good rejoinder. We are all learning. I actually based my write up on the Iwe Itan Egba which was an official Egba history.
From the book, the Egbas have to take permission and deceived Maye in order to leave the Ibadan axis. They have to do it in batches as a form of survival technique. That means they were under a form of subjection.

Never knew that Egbas were the original inhabitants of Ibadan except Ojoo which belongs to Egba Gbagura and was the basis used in making MKO Abiola, Basorun Ibadan since he was from Egba Gbagura. I understand that the Egbas made up about 25% of Ibadan.

A real educative thread.

@olu_kenzo and Kats

The only one I can recall right now is the alligator pepper war that lead to the sacking of the egbas by the joint forces of the ijebus and the oyos.

There was another war whence the Ijebus sold weapons gotten from the coast in Lagos to the otherside. Hence the song "durodemi kin bo sokoto o, egba n salo". It was a joint war also, and the egbas were soundly beaten.

I'll add more subsequently.[/quote]Both of you are right to some extent. To get the right perspective of Ijebu / Egba conflicts one need to read. “Iwe Itan Egba” by Ajisafe.
The war that led to the movement of the Egbas from their original homestead was started by the Ijebus supported by the Ibadans.
However, the Egbas were not fighting as a united force. They were staying far apart. The war actually started with the siege of Owu without the support of other Egbas after aligator pepper and salt incidence at a market involving Owus and Ijebus.
The Egbas had their separate towns with their kings and only see the Owus as cousins. That is why other kings in Abeokuta do not see Alake as a superior but equal who was made paramount by the British. Egba ko loluwa gbogbo won lonse bi oba. The Owu war brought them together.
Egbas were subgated under the Ibadans with the Ijebus kidnapping and selling the Egba kids as slaves. Egbas decided to move in batches to present day Abeokuta. The first batch stayed under the Olumo Rock .( Olufimo ie the lord has ended it here) They became very strong as a united force in Abeokuta and took in other non Egba refugees like Ijaiye and Iberekodo

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Romance made in Nollywood
It’s a Friday night at a popular nightclub in Nairobi. In the parking lot, a man steps out of a luxury car dressed in a designer suit and flashy crocodile skin shoes, gold jewelry draped round his neck and wrist, and designer cologne in his aura.
He joins a group of men at a table, some of them dressed in Ankara, who are accompanied by a bevy of beautiful ladies dressed to the nines, wearing Brazilian hair pieces that would cost you an arm and leg on their heads.
Nothing says ‘average’ about this gathering of merry makers – in fact, nothing about them says ‘Kenyan’. They are Nigerian businessmen who have lately become quite a fixture on the Kenyan social and investment scene – and extremely popular with Kenyan women.
Deported businessman Anthony Chinedu recently gave an interview to a Nigerian tabloid in which he pointed out a scenario many Kenyans were quick to refute – that many Kenyan women are settling down with Nigerian husbands.
Confidence
There are women who, having gone the West African route, have sworn off Kenyan men entirely. And there are those who, having heard of the stellar treatment and riches that other women get from Nigerian men, have set their sights on getting nothing less. Why are Nigerian men such a hot commodity amongst Kenyan women?
When it comes to catching the Kenyan woman’s eye, it seems, it’s not just about looks; confidence and poise are qualities that Nigerian men have in bucketfuls, and which women find irresistible.
Candi Pertet, a young Kenyan woman, says, “Nigerian men dress well and smell good. If he is not handsome, he’ll more than make up for it with his sharp dress sense and will be proud of his looks.”
Shiko Njoroge* adds, ‘They are not shy. Nigerian men have so much pride and confidence it’s hard to resist, especially when you’re used to men in your culture being so humble.’ Because Nigerian men pay particular attention to being turned out well, it essential for any woman who is dating them to follow suit.
“A Nigerian man will spend lots at the salon and at the boutique just to get you looking all right. And then he will parade you among his friends as a reflection of his good taste,” Candi explains.
Shiko says that in her experience, financial largesse comes easy to Nigerian men where the women in their lives are concerned.
“Nigerian men don’t believe in going ‘dutch’. Whatever you want, it’s his pride to make it happen for you. Their income provides for everything, and by everything, I mean there’s an allowance for your rent, fuel and clothes, too.’ These ladies are independent with good jobs, so they really don’t need a man to cater for any of their bills but once in a while, “it’s great to feel pampered.”
The ladies also say that these men know how to treat them right. Not for them the Kenyan male habit of spending every weekend in the bar watching the game and drinking copious amounts of alcohol.
In their experience, the Nigerian boyfriend’s goal is to ensure that his woman knows how special she is. He will wine, dine and romance her consistently. He is more passionate than the local man, a quality that causes our Kenyan ladies to choose them over Kenyan males.
Sweet tongue seduction
These ladies say that Kenyan men are averse to showing their sensitive side. They instead choose to bottle up their romantic feelings. “Nigerian men aren’t afraid to show their emotions, whether it’s dancing in the middle of the mall because they are happy, or crying and begging you on the streets to forgive them,” says Sophie Kumba, who has also dated West Africans. They choose to wear their hearts on their sleeves and aren’t afraid to look into a lady’s eyes and say ‘I want you.’ If he loves you he’ll let you and the whole world know it!”
But the one characteristic that almost every Kenyan woman who has ever bumped into, spoken with or otherwise tangoed with a Nigerian man is the fact that they ‘sweet-talk’ the target of their affection. Sharing her best Nigerian accent, Sophie relates her version of what you would likely hear: “Eh eh wot is dis now? Eh, beby, you gon’ cause accident ooo! Beautiful girl like you mustn’t walk. I go buy you Range Rover, now.” You may not get the Range Rover, but this use of words and sweet-talk will soften even the hardest of women.
But finally, the critical taste test is in the bedroom, and almost every woman interviewed for this story had the same thing to say: “They almost never disappoint. They seem to have a natural talent in this department.”
Of course, not everything is perfect, the ladies we spoke can attest to that. Shiko says that in her experience, after a couple of weeks of dating, her Nigerian man started to get a burgeoning sense of entitlement towards her.
“He began to randomly show up at my place of work. I’d have to tell him where I was, who I was with, what time I was getting to my home; this was all very creepy. I had to tell him that I didn’t appreciate how he was acting and for this reason, we could not hang out like we did anymore. I found him crazy possessive.”
He calls her to this day. “He can’t believe I really don’t want him,” she says. “His pride just would not let him believe it. A Nigerian man will not take no for an answer.”
Also, enthralling as his ‘sweet tongue’ may be in the beginning, the same lines that caused you to fall hard will get him out of trouble. According to our ladies, you may catch him in countless escapades, but these men always seem to know what to say to get you eating from the palm of his hand.
Are there exceptions to the rule? Yes; there are suave, confident Kenyan men who lavish their partners with time, resources and affection, just as there are Nigerian men who couldn’t be bothered. Every country in the world has its good and bad boys.
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