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I have sacrificed enough, no relation of mine will ever go to polytechnic unless he can not make the required grade to attend university. Do you see any Governor children in any polytechnic? They are all in private university to give orders to poly graduate later in future. HND leve 14 reporting to Bsc level 9

No appology poly must go

Leave everybody with his opinion

Any certificate with POLYTECHNIC name will face this problem of non acceptance

My HND is of FED POLY ADO EKITI, FUTA saved my carrier, I was at UI for a professional Master. How about you?

Poly must go any how!

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Why the incessant agitation for polytechnic to award degrees.

Generally it's a convention globally. Like the MIT in the US , it is awarding degree up to PhD, and it is still a polytechnics. The craze about diploma, if it is the thing that leads to the discrimination let the polytechnics continue to award degrees and even higher degrees because they have the human capability and in some respects they have the infrastructure to do that. So we are appealing to government to move in line with the trend, global trend. It is not just copying one part and leaving the other. Government should be able to copy whole and entire what is available in the US, even in South Africa and Egypt where their polytechnics award degrees and still continue to operate as such because we have a unique challenge, we have a distinct policy or package of focus for the development of this country. And I want to say that the whole idea about technological and industrial development of this country lies in the proper funding of the polytechnic education. Outside this, nothing is happening, the universities are institutions that produce mere technocrats, that is people who dream, but it is the technicians and technologists produced by the polytechnics that put these dreams into concrete achievable goals.
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Fear for the merging of tertiary institutions.

The fears are that polytechnics are established by an act of the National Assembly or by decree. And the decree or act clearly states the scheme of service which is in tandem with polytechnic education globally. However, the act that established universities equally established a distinct scheme of service which equally is in tandem with global trend in university education. So in the polytechnic system,, we feel that if government wants to merge these institutions, in fact we don't see it as a merger, it is strongly an acquisition. Because if you are talking of merger, it will be on the basis of equal relationship. We come together and agree on how to merge, to form a big conglomerate but here, it is a case of simple acquisition. The university is seen as a bigger unit that can easily swallow the polytechnic and our fear is take for instance; you don't need PhD to be a chief lecturer in the polytechnic and the chief lecturer is of the same nomenclature with a professor in the university.

So if we are to be merged or to be subsumed or acquired by this arrangement it will definitely affect the career progression of the lecturers and even the students because the situation may arise that those students who graduated with their OND may not be offered admission to pursue higher degrees in the universities as currently carried out. If you have HND from the polytechnics, they will not allow you to go straight to do your Masters degree without requiring that you do a Post-graduate Diploma (PDG). So these are some of the issues we feel would crop up with this merger. I am also afraid that 75 per cent of the current academic and non academic staff in the polytechnic sector - may go to the labour market.

Merger as a way of removing disparity in polytechnic/university.

But there is a way to do and reduce the casualties to zero level. Allow polytechnics to award higher degrees that is all. You would have removed completely this discrimination between HND and BSc, that is all. Like it is done in South Africa , Egypt , United States of America , even the reform in education in the Great Britain was a gradual process. It was not merger. The polytechnics were allowed on their own to start awarding degrees, not merger, not even acquisition, not even consolidation and it took so many years for them to evolve. So it is not these ad-hoc measures that we are adopting today.

samson ebele:
We were made to understand that Polytechic graduates are technical graduates while University graduates are Policy makers . Period

You are right ok keep to your view

Indepent technologically you mean?

This was final approved yesterday, you need it. as what we have is too small to be call engineer

Look at Taiwan and Indonatia they are up. Brother when are we going to move?

None of them want their children in the polytechnic so what is the need, holding others down for what? Regards

No independent yet

Getting a job is one thing, Progress is another. Till day we still have HND level 13 officers reporting to degree holder on level 9.

Thanks to states that obey the presidential directive on HND

Silsoe is a campus of Crankfield university yet it provide both Middle level and High level man power. So also some South African University, Canada and USA

all is story, until they send their own children to polytechnic

Poly/Varsity Consolidation ‘ll Provide 500,000 Admission – Ezekwesili
From Francis Ugwoke in Enugu, 11.24.2006

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Minister for Education, Mrs Obiageli Ezekwesili,   yesterday said consolidation of Polytechnics and Colleges of Education  into campuses of neighbouring universities would  provide at least  500,000 additional  university admission.
Ezekwesili  said already, President Olusegun Obasanjo,  in a bid to increase access to university admission among Nigerian youths has  inaugurated technical committee that is currently working  out implementation of the consolidation exercise.

How about the society

Read this Even in the university here, there is an institutional organ called the congregation or the convocation. For you to be a member of the congregation, you should be a graduate and by the interpretation of the graduate, you have to be a degree holder. Because of that in the appointment of, say the Bursar, some accountants with HND are very good, some even become chartered accountants before university graduates, but you can not be a Bursar of the university with just HND, because if you do, you are no more qualified to be a member of the congregation. So such things are there.
Well the distinction can still be removed

Poly, Varsity Merger Will Improve Education – IMSU VC
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By Amby Uneze in Owerri, 12.05.2006


[b]Amby Uneze /b]These days, employers of labour have drawn a line between the university degree and the polytechnic’s Higher National Diploma (HND), preferring the former. How do you react to this?

[b]IMSU VC /b]This has been a recurring decimal in the Nigerian education system. If you recall by the year 1983 – 84, following the Cookey Commission report, there was a distinction that was created between the salaries of he various tertiary institutions. I think these emanated from the provisions of the policy of education in the country, because within the polity, there was a need to create various categories of manpower in the system; middle level manpower, high level manpower and the rest of them.
But of course, you must understand that the society is changing. I recall when the current President was a military Head of State, he tried to harmonize the graduates of the polytechnic with those of universities, but it did not work. The employers themselves sometime prefer some polytechnic graduates to university graduates in some professions. Even in the university here, there is an institutional organ called the congregation or the convocation. For you to be a member of the congregation, you should be a graduate and by the interpretation of the graduate, you have to be a degree holder. Because of that in the appointment of, say the Bursar, some accountants with HND are very good, some even become chartered accountants before university graduates, but you can not be a Bursar of the university with just HND, because if you do, you are no more qualified to be a member of the congregation. So such things are there.
Well the distinction can still be removed. This situation existed sometime in Britain. They looked at the curriculum of various institutions, modified them, up-graded the polytechnics to university status, to the extent that the polytechnics in Britain now offer B-tech, M-tech to Ph.D., so that in case of the lecturers, if you find yourself in the polytechnic, you can still remain there and become a professor. So it was done in such a way that the institutions could serve their primary role in the society, the role of producing technological manpower.
The danger in our system is that sometimes, we get carried away by credentials. When you set up a University of Technology, before you know it, the university will begin to offer degrees in medicine, management, even in education or that kind of stuff. For purposes of psychological balancing, it may be necessary and I want to state it here now; at the presidential forum which we attended very recently, in the Ministers’ presentation I think there is that proposal. As a matter of fact, they have even set up a Presidential committee to oversee the possibility of harmonizing the system. They are trying to experiment with Kaduna Polytechnic and Yaba College of Technology as city universities. So the polytechnic system is now gradually being phased out. They can now become either a college or department of universities that exist closely, like in the UK. This should improve the standard of education.

[b]On the consolidation of the tertiary institutions, the Secretary to the Federal Government, Chief Ufot Ekaete had on November 7 inaugurated the Presidential Technical Committee for this purpose. The idea is to convert all Federal Polytechnics and Federal Colleges of Education to campuses of proximate contagious Federal Universities. But two of the oldest, Yaba College of Technology, and Kaduna Polytechnic have already been converted in principle to City universities. According to a statement by the ministry, the consolidation is to achieve five objectives: maintain the integrity of the course content and specialised focus of the programmes of polytechnics and colleges of Education, elevate the affiliate institutions to degree-awarding establishments; eliminate the HND/Bachelor degree dichotomy in the labour market; increase the volume of academic space for admission into tertiary level education, by over 500, 000 extra candidates per annum; and strengthen the commitment of the Federal Government to quality tertiary [/b] education.http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/

Reform of Education Ministry reaches critical stage
By Rotimi Lawrence Oyekanmi

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THE reform of the Federal Ministry of Education has entered the critical stage and major decisions are likely to be to carried out in the next couple of weeks.

A competent source told The Guardian at the weekend that the panel set up to review to job schedule, qualification and conduct oral interviews for all the top officials of the ministry has almost completed its assignment. The source stated that the panel made major shocking discoveries, and sweeping changes are underway.

For instance, it was discovered that some of those in the director cadre have no requisite qualification to be at ministry, while some have not been meaningfully engaged in the last 10 years. Some of the assistant directors that could also not justify their positions are likely to be affected in the realignments to take place soon.

However, the effort to prune down the 21 parastatals has also been generating a lot of interest. The ministry had inaugurated a committee for the consolidation of the parastatals and streamline them for efficiency in the use of human and material resources. About six groups have so far been identified. They include the Capacity/Economic Development Group, which contains the National Universities Commission (NUC), the National Commission for Colleges of Education (NCCE) and the National Board for Technical Education (NBTE). These parastatals have been proposed for a merger into one agency in charge of tertiary level education Although, The Guardian learnt that the technical details are soon to be unveiled, there is some anxiety about how the merger will achieve its objective. First, each parastatal has a chief executive, with several other officers. Although, they are regulatory bodies, their modes of operations are quite different.

There is the Foundation Group, which will now have the parastatals responsible for primary and secondary education. Here, the Universal Basic Education Commission (UBEC) and the Federal Inspectorate Service (FIS) are to be merged and then referred to as the Basic and Secondary Education Commission. Prof. Gidado Tahir, who heads UBEC will not find it difficult to welcome the FIS as its next door neighbour.

The Social Democratisation Group has the largest membership. They include the National Commission for Nomadic Education (NCNE), the National Mass Education Commission (NMEC), the National Institute for Nigerian Languages (NINLAN), the Nigerian French Village (NFLV) and the Nigerian Arabic Language Village. Apart from the NCNE and the NFVL, little is known about both the NMEC and the Arabic village. The NMEC has often complained about lack of funds, and nobody seems to know what the Arabic village is doing anyway.

The Examination Group is very critical. It contains the Joint Admissions and Matriculation Board (JAMB), the West African Examinations Council (WAEC), the National Examinations Council (NECO) and the National Business and Technical Examination Board (NABTEB). These parastatals will not be merged. They are to come together under what has been described as a cohesive platform, a clearing house of sorts, but they are to retain their respective identities, functions and independence. The WAEC, of course, would not have been appropriate for a merger since it is not an entirely Nigerian affair.

The Education Resource Group is made up of the National Teachers Institute (NTI), the Nigerian Educational Research and Development Council (NERDC), the National Institute of Educational Planning and Administration (NIEPA). They are to be merged into the Education Resource Commission. The problem here is with NIEPA, which, like WAEC, has an international dimension. It was established under the auspices of UNESCO, and it was to serve as a regional centre.

The Education Financing Group is made up of the Education Trust Fund (ETF) and the Federal Scholarship Board. The Teachers Registration Council (TRC) is to have full autonomy. The National Library of Nigeria will also stand on its own. The National Mathematical Centre will also remain distinct.

[b]On the consolidation of the tertiary institutions, the Secretary to the Federal Government, Chief Ufot Ekaete had on November 7 inaugurated the Presidential Technical Committee for this purpose. The idea is to convert all Federal Polytechnics and Federal Colleges of Education to campuses of proximate contagious Federal Universities. But two of the oldest, Yaba College of Technology, and Kaduna Polytechnic have already been converted in principle to City universities. According to a statement by the ministry, the consolidation is to achieve five objectives: maintain the integrity of the course content and specialised focus of the programmes of polytechnics and colleges of Education, elevate the affiliate institutions to degree-awarding establishments; eliminate the HND/Bachelor degree dichotomy in the labour market; increase the volume of academic space for admission into tertiary level education, by over 500, 000 extra candidates per annum; and strengthen the commitment of the Federal Government to quality tertiary education.[/b]

However, the Civil Society Action Coalition on Education for All (CSACEFA) has asked for more clarification on the conversion of polytechnics into university campuses. According to statement by Mrs Felicia Onibon, the coalition's National Moderator, the ministry needs to explain if the intention is to replace technical education, meant to provide middle level manpower with university education, or if it is to encourage more students to enrol for technical, management, commercial courses of normal university courses.

On the Inspectorate Department, Onibon said, "to ensure continuity and sustainability, we wish to suggest the building of capacity for members of SBMCs in all schools to enable them participate in monitoring, evaluation and insepection of schools on a more regular basis. This would promote inclusion and participation in school governance by communities.

Polytechnic must die, the only enemy of NSE

Pin o is imported,
brush o is made in china
Comon Toy made in england
shoe made in Italy
Nothing home made

We are just 'DEPENDANT NATION' let everybody own degree so no one will fill too big then

Listen to NIGERIAN education MINISTER

the Education Ministry is being repositioned for valuable policy formulation and monitoring of linkages for effective and efficient teaching learning processes. The minister disclosed further that in order to increase the number of academic spaces for admission into tertiary education (by over 500,000 per annum) and eliminate the HND/Bachelors degree dichotomy, the Federal Polytechnics and Federal Colleges of Education would be converted into campuses of proximate and contiguous Federal Universities. [/color][color=#990000]

The End

That is why we are Technologically independent? Look at that inconsistent Minister?

That is the truth, they all look at the polytechnic as Senior Technical school

The Minister of Education, Mrs. Obiageli Ezekwesili, has reinterated that the on-going reforms in the education sector was aimed at arresting the systemic rot that has bedevilled the sector and empowering the teaching/learning process that would make our school products competitive globally. According to Mr. Timothy Akpoili, Press Secretary to the minister, Ezekwesili disclosed this when the Director, British Council (Nigeria) Dr. John Richards, paid her a courtesy call in her office in Abuja.
Ezekwesili said the average Nigerian child has the potentials to excel academically but the environment in which the educational system operates creates a hitch for the child’s academic achievement. In order to remove the clog, she said, the Education Ministry is being repositioned for valuable policy formulation and monitoring of linkages for effective and efficient teaching learning processes. The minister disclosed further that in order to increase the number of academic spaces for admission into tertiary education (by over 500,000 per annum) and eliminate the HND/Bachelors degree dichotomy, the Federal Polytechnics and Federal Colleges of Education would be converted into campuses of proximate and contiguous Federal Universities. She, however, emphasised that this does not translate to the scrapping of any Polytechnics/College of Education, or staff rationalization or payment of higher fees.
In addition, the minister said the reforms incorporate a scheme known as Innovative Enterprise Institutions, which will be private sector driven.

The scheme would provide educational background for those with Special creative skills to thrive in their profession. Speaking earlier, Dr. John Richards, had said that his visit was to seek areas of cooperation with the Minister, and commended the Minister for the on-going reforms being witnessed in the education sector

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Why We are Reforming – Ezekwesili
From Juliana Taiwo in Abuja, 11.29.2006

COMMENTS
Ademola Adekoya
11.29.2006 14:39
Am waiting for you Hon. minister, I still keep to my word to kill myself if you can effectively restructure education in Nigeria.

I hope you have started preparing your hand over note just as your president is doing or he has assured you that your \'so call reform will be used\'?

Time will tell.

Ademola (Dublin)

All the technological wetin shall be run in the university like that of CANADA. THIS HND is old thing.

Universities of Technology We all need degree abi

Are you an HND holder? if not you may not be able to contribute.

That is no more story.
HND and BSC are equal
Based on presidential order, Cross river and some states already implemented that. After the current Federal civil service reform in Dec. Official federal gazette will be out. Laws are made already, waiting to be signed as back up.

Discriminate against HND and risk 5 years jail term.

All Federal own polytechnic will take the status of nearby Federal University. Kaduna poly, Yaba College of Technology are now called CITY University.