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HND and Bsc are now equal . Sorry no more HND.

By april I shall tell u all what you want to know from former polytechnic calabar.

Finally the End of Polytechnic is here.

May the soul of HND courses in NIgeria never rest may it hunt those that discrimate against it.

Why pegging
HND holders progress? Even in the university, there is an institutional
organ called the congregation or the convocation, to be a member of the
congregation, you should be a graduate  (which is not a right of
Polytechnics graduate) and by the interpretation of the graduate, you have
to be a degree holder. Because of that in the appointment of, say the
Engineering personnel some  with HND who are very good with a n Msc degree
is sill regarded as inferior, can not be place in the position even with
COREN engineering Technologists Certificate, because if you do, you are no
more qualified to be a member of the congregation. So such things are there

It should be noted that HND holders studied in polytechnics not as a result
of academic incompetence, but owing largely to frustration (resulting from
continued delay in securing university admission) and sometimes on financial
grounds. In fact, HND holders are not in any way inferior to university
degree holders. At the primary and secondary school levels, the same lessons
are taught, and the same examinations are set for them.

The civil service only recognized Technical and Higher Technical Officers.
This Engineering Technologists is still strange to the civil service,
Technologists cannot go any further, and this places some kind of
disadvantage not only on the HND holders and COREN but on the country as
well.

HND holders ordinarily should have much more contributed to our development
and we feel that the COREN should review its policy with the presidential
directive.

We still have a lot of unsettled cases

We now know that the case will move to professional level of COREN as ICAN never discriminate.
COREN should put his house in order Now.
as things became critical when Engr. Inuwa became president of COREN and used
his influence with the Government, he was able to complete the process of
amending Decree 55 of 1970. Thus Degree 27 of 1992 finally rename HND as
as Engineering Technologist with abbreviation Engn.Tech which Britain used for their Technician. This abriviation without stamp of office made our members refuse to register.
NATE was involved in the amendment. COREN, agreed to
Technological Engineers in fact NATE suggested COREN'S new name "Council for
Regulation of Engineering in Nigeria (COREN) as a way to meet the desire of
the HND holders. Several other issues were yet unresolved before they rushed into change of decree to nail HND as Technologists.
the amendment of the decree which we claimed we were not satisfy with. NATE
has always opposed the designation as Engineering Technologist but for
separation of Identity Technological Engineers was prefered.

It HND but valued as DEGREE.

Ilaro will become a colledge of Technology to the nearest Federal university.

"The HND certificate will remain a legal tender in Nigeria and holders of such certificate will continue to be recognised as the equivalent of first degree holders without discriminatory remunerations and limit to progression in the work place. ''Ezekwesill et al.,2007

It is now we can talk.

University of London's Diploma is a Degree now Nigeria HND is a Degree QED.

For federal No more HND. if the state like they can continuue with the DEAD HND

Chikena abi.

Do you still need more
@PeeDaVinci

PROFESSIONAL REGISTRATION
Member Nigeria Society of Engineers MNSE
Member Nig. Institute of Agricultural Engineers MNIAE
Registered member of COREN Engr
Fellow Nigerian Association of Technologist and Engineers FNATE
Member American Society of Agricultural Engineers

National Deputy President of Nigerian Association of Technologists and Engineers.

@PeeDaVinci 
Do you need more

INSTITUTION ATTENDED AND  QUALIFICATIONS WITH DATE
ACADEMIC DEGREES
Limiting only to Nigerian University only leaving research degree out.  

Federal University Of Technology Akure (2001- 2002)   M.Eng. (Crop Processing. Engr).

University of Ibadan (1998 – 2000  ) MMP Master of Managerial Psychology

Federal University of Technology, Akure. ( 1996 – 1998) PGD Agric Engineering.

The Polytechnic Ibadan (1994 – 1996) PGD Public Administration

Federal Polytechnic Ado Ekiti    (1985 – 1987) HND  Agric Engineering
Now Bachelors (Obasanjo,et.al.,2007)

Federal Polytechnic (Akure) Ado-Ekiti(1982 – 1984) ND Agric Engineering.

What of me? no greetings

me i went for master after PGD. I got 4.54/5 in my masters beating everybody to it.

Unilag PGD is not for HND o

You are free to ask quetions I will answer

Good news congratulate us for GOOD fight.

The council also approved the Federal Government's formal take-over of the Waziri Umaru Polytechnic, Birnin Kebbi, which will be the College of Technology campus of the Othman Dan Fodio University, Sokoto, as well as the Hussein Adamu Polytechnic, Kazaure, Bauchi, which will be a College of Technology of the proximate university in the state.

Also, the Alvan Ikoku College of Education, Owerri, Imo State, has been taken over as a campus of the Federal University of Technology, Owerri. A state that had never had any federal institution, like Bayelsa, is to have a College of Technology as a campus of the College of Technology of the University of Port Harcourt. Also, Bali, in Taraba State, is to have a college of technology as a campus of the proximate university.

Guardian 15 march 2007

To kick-start the new policy, the nation's two most prominent polytechnics - Yaba College of Technology and Kaduna Polytechnic - will henceforth be known as City University of Technology, Yaba and City University of Technology, Kaduna.

And to give legal teeth to these approvals, the FEC approved the submission of two Executive bills to the National Assembly for enactment into law.

With education being on the concurrent list, the states may wish to consolidate their tertiary institutions. But if they do not wish to follow the federal example, their programmes will continue to be regulated by the relevant agencies of the Federal Ministry of Education.

The first bill will concretise the setting up of the two city universities while the second will approve the preparation and consolidation of all federal polytechnics and colleges of education as campuses of proximate universities.

The Ministry of Justice will do the preparation and submission of the two bills to the National Assembly.

Minister of Education, Mrs. Obiageli Ezekwesili, told journalists after the weekly meeting of the council that under the reform measures, her ministry would, however, continue to licence private polytechnics and colleges of education for the award of qualification at ND and National Certificate in Education (NCE) levels.

She said: "There will be no more award of HND. After we have exhausted the current students under the programme, there will be no more award of HND. This means that there will be no fresh admission for HND programmes. And in addition, any programme that is not technical will be out of the polytechnics. About 70 per cent of polytechnic graduates are in the non-technical courses. It is going to be a rigorous implementation programme."

A ministerial committee to ensure the smooth implementation of all that is required for the take-off of the reform initiatives is to begin work immediately.

Ezekwesili said: "The HND certificate will remain a legal tender in Nigeria and holders of such certificate will continue to be recognised as the equivalent of first degree holders without discriminatory remunerations and limit to progression in the work place. The NCE certificate will be retained as the minimum teaching qualification at the basic level of education. Any higher qualifications by these private or state-owned polytechnics will be only affiliation with a university. So, HND is no longer in existence, but existing HND will be respected and considered legal tender."

Govt scraps HNDs, merges polys with varsities
From Madu Onuorah, Abuja
THE Federal Executive Council (FEC) yesterday approved a comprehensive reform of Nigeria's tertiary education system, scrapping the award of the Higher National Diploma (HND) by the nation's polytechnics.

In effect, the award of the HND will be limited to only the students currently admitted for the programmes.

Also, all the programmes currently being run by the polytechnics, which are not technology-based, and which are about 70 per cent, will be scrapped.

Under the new rule, the polytechnics will now become campuses of the proximate universities with the Vice Chancellors of those universities appointing provosts for the polytechnics, subject to the ratification of the Universities Councils.

The polytechnics will now be limited to award of the National Diploma (ND) while those desirous of further education will be awarded the Bachelor of Technology (B. Tech) by the proximate university.

Yes o but yaba and KAD poly are now NUC property.

Ifa olokun asorodayo.  Is real o    Do not joke with it o

Consolidation of tertiary institutions in Nigeria, problems and Prospects to be disscused by Oby Ezekwesili and Nuru yakubu.

We are planing to meet them at portharcourt on 29 of this month you are invited. All of them will be there with OBJ. It is our AGM.

I was under seuns suspection, I just got my freedom. What Technical people get is simpathy. Let us see the graduates coming out of university to learn a trade bring up the needed technological man power.

The relegation of technical know-how in general manifests in many ways in
Nigerian society. Parents want their children to become doctors and lawyers
but rarely do they recommend engineers and technicians as role models for
their kids. When you mention technical education, people think of
nitty-gritty hard labour jobs, out in the sun in shorts and rolled up
sleeves stained with oil and grease. But we cannot also fail to recognise
the dangers posed to Nigeria's progress by the national obsession with
white-collar professions and vocations at the expense of the
no-less-important technical education and skills acquisition aspect. This
issue is gradually assuming alarming dimensions in the context of the
increasing importance of technical know-how and technology in general in
world development. The uncomfortable truth staring at us is that the modern
world is technology-driven, with less premium on memo-pushing white-collar
jobs that lure our people. It is therefore a matter of national urgency that
steps are taken to realign our educational bearings to dovetail into the
ongoing world-wide technological revolution.

On Title and Designation: The American Model designates holders of the 4-yr
engineering technology program (BS ET) as engineers, the same way as the
holder of the HND or CNAA degree is in the British system. Thus, it is a
wonder why there is so much resistance to accepting this title for the HND
holder in Nigeria.
degree in Technology (B.Tech) in Polytechnics ‘as this will effectively stem
the drift from the technical cadre.’

RESOLVING THE SITUATION
The problems have already been outlined the expectation that the issues will
be resolved in due time. However, there is certainly an urgency that cannot
be wished away in dealing with the key issues of recognition, title,
remuneration and amendment of the COREN Decrees.
On Recognition: One of the major problems has been the perception of the HND
as middle level, technical manpower because the polytechnics are lumped with
technical schools under the same regulatory body - National Board for
Technical Education.

The National Policy on Education (2004)
states unequivocally that the polytechnics shall provide the technical
knowledge and skills necessary for agricultural, industrial, commercial and
economic development of Nigeria. The polytechnics are further mandated to
give training and impart the necessary skills for the production of
technicians, technologists and other skilled personnel who shall be
enterprising and self-reliant.
There is hierarchy in the scheme of the COREN that provides for Craft men,
technicians from technical colleges and theoretical technicians (ND) holders
from polytechnics we equally have the technologists (HND) holders from both
polytechnic and universities, and engineers degree and PGD holders.
All these categories have their functions because of lack of value for the
technologists and the societal discriminations every body wanted a
conversion, then this means everyone would be at par, making everyone an
engineer this has swell the register of engineers, leaving few to performs
other duties and functions. The discriminations between HND and degree
holders were responsible for this sad development.


Let take the case of the Nurses in Nigeria, they were well respected they
have councils of their own with state and federal registration and
adequately remunerated, never do they want to be doctors, but the
Engineering technologist are interested to be an NSE member, often
Technologists are intimidated and forced by NSE members to write NSE exams
even force them to go to their NSE meeting.
There is an institutional organ called the congregation or the convocation,
to be a member of the congregation, One should be a graduate and by the
interpretation of the graduate, is to be a degree holder.