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andrewza:

sa war expernce is

ww1, ww2, koerean war, and the border war from the late 1960s to 1989. yet you think we have no experiance? we deploy a higher percentiage of our solders than nigeria. so please.

aka you you kiss outsiders buts. a nastion of sell outs.

where was that siade. we never lost to seelka. we achied the primary mission of the deployment, killed over 500 rebels for only 14 dead and 26 wounded. no we where expecting the regional force and local army to actualy put up a fight. 200 solders can not fight over 3000 alone. yet we did and held our ground.


the entir border war was noncovstional with a few convesntiol battels.

take lessons from you. sorry we dont think murding civlians is a good idea.


foolish nigerians, giant sell outs

you dey crase! Do you really want us to go down that back? You insult the honour and blessed memory of our WW1&2 + Korean War vets and ask not to be called an idiota? Have you heard Dodan Barracks before? ...oh, sorry I forgot that you are a low level cook confined to galley all year long. Well, our vets won the battle of Dodan in the Asia theatre of WW2. Burma theatre was fought by our vets alongside Indians and Pakis. We have their war memorials all over here in Nigeria and Asia. Unknown soldier cenotaphs, Barracks and cantonements named in their honour and memory of battles won. Korea war bequeated us vets who fought in Nigerian civil war, one of the popular names still alive is Col. Joe Achuzie who faught as an officer there. Then Congo vets too. Calling up Lebanon vets will be under peace keeping missions which happened while you were in darkness of apartheid.

Now, who is the learner if not South Africa? For you not to know that NA fought in all those wars buttresses my earlier statement that you are obstinately fooooolish and ignorant. So when the major powers consult Nigeria on military matters in Africa, you think na joke? of course, your xenophobic brains can't take it, so to become overnight superstar you guys JUMPED into CAR...GBOSA!...GBOSA!!...GBOSA!!!...you were b1tchslapped by SELEKA and next, you skunked off with your tails between your legs like the true cowards that you are.

you can buy the fanciest weapons, but never institution operation experience. Egypt and Syria had much better weapons both in number and fancifulness, but they were pile of scraps after 6 days war with Israel. what does that teach your military planners? Ozhuo!

Then, you denying your military failed in CAR is stupeeed. much earlier in the thread, I, my very own self, showed you a link which shows minutes of your South African parliament's sitting on the very matter with your minister of defence in attendance. All parliamentarians were visibly angry and agreed that your military was soundly defeated by SELEKA and your government lied about it to the public. Your honourable (?) minister was cornered after she started with same lies you, Andrewza, has been peddling here. She started playing hide and seek with them and finally refused to talk further after hiding behind "issues of national security". I referred you to it but you refused to read and was coming back with other propaganda sites reports.

Now, can you see how silly you are?

These South AFricans are the most foolishly obstinate eediots I have seen all my life. Ask me why? Ok...Think, Nigerian has been relating and participating actively in foreign troops operation long before South Africa emerged from darkness of apartheid, suddenly the dunce-brained among them are claiming to be better experienced and wiser than Nigeria's multi decade institutional experience. Can you see the stupidity?

We have learnt the terrains, cultures, nuances, and more importantly the POLITICS!

One of the olodo boys is making excuses that they lost to SELEKA because they were only kids. Oh! cry me a river...! Was your foolish SANDF expecting to fight a conventional war there? If that's what you were thinking, then your military belong to the bye-gone years! When was a conventional war fought last between African countries, and what's the ratio of conventional to non-conventional wars in Africa in last 30yrs? If your military policy planners can't figure this simple logic through, then you are bunch of bad jokes.

Basically, every national Army (Navy, Airforce) is prepared for conventional warfare, but practical realities is that most likely is that they will fight non-conventional types. So Strong forces like Nigerian military have learnt and adapted to both types of warfare! Anybody who thinks that what happened in Baga is a mistake, go to your village and organize guerrilla attacks on Nigerian troops there, then you will see a repetition. I am no supporter of civilian attacks, but it is only people who are unaware of arts of non-conventional warfare that can't figure this out. There's nothing gentleman at all about it. Our troops learnt it bitterly in their first deployment to Liberia, the very civilian they were trying to protect shot them at the back. The little boys and girls they tried to protect killed many of them. Since then, they learnt that aspect of assymetric warfare; if you are caught in the wrong place during firefight, pray to your god for safety.

Now SANDF is learning, only that you could have saved yourselves from disgrace if you had taken lessons on peacekeeping/enforcement in Africa. but you foolishness will never allow you. Next time, make una jump enter hot situation with pictures of your shiny weapons without learning the international politics and nuances of the matter, CAR go be child-play.

I hope that cry baby will stop whinning about child soldier here

DictatorZAR:

And your Nigerian daff countryman are divine saints and ordained Pastors thinking they're bringing salvation to SA people on this thread by posting lies and bull all the time, the same why you did some pages back. The devil is in your mind.

you be proper olodo!

so in your depraved mind, my refusal to continue with protracted labour of trying to educate the unteachables like you amounts to the rubbish you wrote above? Honestly, you think I have time for mis-informed block-heads like you?

Your half education is very dangerous,[b][/b] my guy

John_za:


Ok I am probably the last one any of you want to hear from right now, but I am a white South African (though I don't think that should matter), and this debate as to who is better than who is kinda pointless as we tend to compare ones strengths to another weakness. South Africa may be stronger in terms of hardware and technology making it better at conventional warfare, but when did we last have conventional war in African, On the other side, Nigeria has a lot more experience than we do dealing with rebel armies in the African situation however if it came time to invade another country a knowledge as to how to defeat a rebel army wouldn't be as useful as knowledge in conventional warfare, so each country has its strengths where it out does the other,

it doesn't matter how many submarines or fighter jets South Africa cause they wont be able to remove a rebel army, you need experienced soldiers,

and yet in conventional warfare it doesn't matter how many troops Nigeria has because he who controls the skies and navel trade routes runs the game.

Looking at Military strength is a very poor way of determine a countries ability to make war, a countries army is only as good as its logistical arm will allow it, even the most up to date tank is useless when it runs out of full and ammunition, and at the same time you need a economy to support the logistics. An example of that is Zimbabwe launching a large military campaign into Congo, sure they drove the rebels back, but at the cost of their economy (sure other factors made the situation worse, but the fact remains, war bankrupts countries)

This whole dispute as to who can defeat who is kinda pointless, South Africa cannot conquer Nigeria even in our wildest dreams, and Nigeria can't touch us,

its a simple logistical problem, the South African army just doesn't have the man power to control a country the size of Nigeria if they don't want us there, and Nigeria who may (and that is a very small chance) have the numbers to hold South Africa have no way of getting their troops to South Africa and then sustaining them once they are there. The closest either side could come to a victory in such a situation would be if South Africa used its submarines and more advanced navel ships to blockade the Nigerian ports, stopping oil exports and there by crippling the Nigerian economy and then hold a siege on the economy till the Nigerian government surrender, but other than that,

any attempt by us South Africa to land boots on the ground in Nigeria would be as suicidal, and any attempt for Nigeria to invade South Africa either via a long distance land run through a number of other African countries or via a amphibious landing assault would be equally suicidal

As for the general question as to which country in Africa has the strongest army, I wont hazard a guess, I think the other options laid forward thus far are good enough indications. Hope my post hasn't offended anyone.

This is the most honest and intelligent South African that has contributed on this thread so far. Others are devil's fooolish apprentices.

andrewza:

so you disagree with my report on what the threat level was in wars the US took part in.

my friend, i will be doing a very hard but thankless job by trying to re-educate you from your obvious ignorance coupled with your unteachable posture.

But you can sometimes put up some nice charisma that endears me in particular to see you from angle of innocence, so I will try for the last time here to correct your mis-information, although the original question was not even meant for you but your rabid countryman, Synerdp.

-Did US/Allied forces troops face a conventionally powered armed force in those countries?

-Did US face force with intelligence support?

-Did US face rebels with air support?

- Did US not have air support in Vietnam/Afghanistan/Iraq?

-Since World War 2, Korean War and Cold War has US soldiers ever been deployed to a war torn area where they faced air threats?

andrewza: yes for iraq, vietnam and korea
yes for all(taliban gets support elements from pakistan's intelligence service)
Vitcon had support from north vietnam(taliban had limited air support but it did not last the rst where state armies)
yes for iraq(after a short fight)/afghanistan but they never fully removed vietnam from the air
there is your anserw

1. Same is Nigeria in S/L and Libaria (S/L Johnny Paul Koroma was trained in Nigeria Defence Academy while Charles Taylor was trained and funded by Ghadaffi/Libya/CIA. I won't like to bring up dirtier stories about S/L that never made the news given the belicose disposition of you SAns here, but believe me, it was all about blood diamond from start). Moreover, I specifically mentioned Afghanistan and Iraq, don't know how you managed to drag Korea and Vietnam in.

2. Refer to 1 above.

3. Refer to last part of 1 above.

4. US never had any threat or air combat in Iraq or Afghanistan. Vietnam was dominated wholly by US Army Air Corps (now US Air Force), in fact, it was the first war where helicopters were used by any military force. So US had field day on air in Vietnam. So also Nigeria Armed Forces.

5. leave your disillusioned countryman with corroded brain, Synerdp, to supply answer to this.

@ Andrewza


you dey crase!

walahi, your crase na first class. you need to be brought to Aro in Abeokuta in a straight jacket and muzzle for treatment. But wait, on a second thought, I am beginning to think that your government regulates what news you guys hear in that your place, otherwise I can not explain how you people got so bleeped up.

By the way, since you are either so so stupid or just plain ignorant as expressed in your reply, I hereby hand you over to God and destiny to help you as your remedy is beyond human ability; you guys are so pathetically bangedd-up! Poor souls...

But really I must say that you, andrewza, beyond the provocations in your argument are a good man. I admire your resilience and composure. But I rebuke your ignorance and obstinacy. The combination makes you come at as a lier. In whatever you do (or wherever you serve), I wish you well.

Ahoy!

andrewza:

So you saying nigeria may collapse in to civil war during a election.

Never thought the over stretched because they under funded, if nigeria has a army of 120,000 that would make them very badly underfunded, SA with a defense force is 62,000 and get 2 billion USD more than nigeria(3 billion for nigeria and 5 for sa) and is seen has underfunded.


Nigerians like to throw the propaganda around, and is words where in the defense of Nigeria, if you included paramilitary the numbers add up.

Those where a long time ago and not seen has modern. And nigeria did some not so nice things there.
(due to early discussion we will not post those videos again)

no because you let france, us and others control the area, even Africon talks about this, and mentions how SADC is against any foreign influence at all. Also notice how we have no civil wars in SADC

We don't have a assembly(ok we do for some things) plants we manufacture. There are american cars(built in america) using ford engines built in south africa.

gradually you are owning up. If there's something you sincerely don'y know, ask me properly and I might tell you. I will allow you an escape route here...

snydergp:


Very funny I've resisted to comment on this forum because of my current commitments, but from what I've been reading the last five days or so made me sit up and laugh at the funny postings here.

Coming to what you've just wrote here, its contradictory to say the least.

Some of your own countryman like @patriot, aguagust and especially that @all4naija dude said that Nigeria has by far the largest army on the continent. Now for a country with a +60000 infantry troops that are struggling to less then 8000 troops on peace keeping and now peace enforcement in Mali its very funny.

You claim that Nigeria will be on par with SA within a few years, when its military budget is smaller, you spend less on R& and your total force is 30000 larger then SA yet you claim your forces are better trained with such a small operational budget.

On this issue of Mali, the UNSC report requested that France remain for a unspecified period to prevent rebel returning to cleared zones.

I also read that you spoke about the civil war in Liberia and S Leone. Now can you answer me a few things about that civil war.

-Did Nigerian/Ecowos troops face a conventionally powered armed force in both countries?

-Did Nigeria face force with intelligence support?

-Did Nigeria face rebels with air support?

- Did Nigeria not have air support in liberia/S. Leone

-Since biafran war has Nigerian army ever been deployed to a war torn area where they faced air threats?

Now can you and co answer these questions.

Guy, I don't need your plethora of self-serving questions. If there's something you mean to say , just say it. That those dudes are rebels and warfare was unconventional doesn't make it not modern. If you think otherwise, expose yourself again....

andrewza: did i say they where weak, i said they where not fighting and so malili proofs nothing.And we not running from CAR there is no mandate for us to be in CAR.

BH is a terrorist group now and has no military force. Iraq, Afghanistan SA used police in SWA and solders in Angola.

I never praised chad, i said they where actually fighting.

It has been reported that the African forces will not be able to hold that ground.

I gave a proper and trusted source, since nigerians say every thing from say is propaganda why cant i say the same thing, all so i pointed out that if you include paramilitary forces the numbers add up.

Nigeria has more than enough men to send 3000 solders or one brigade.

so you denia that west africa including nigeria are sell outs to foreigners.

when has nigerian been tested in a real war in modern time.

You have many things confused and worse is that you are very obstinate about it.

Have you considered from whta i just told you about Nigeria's manpower challenges that that may be a major problem that the UN is talking about? Do you realize that Nigeria is approaching an election year which is seen as a critical one? So you really expect her to tie-up her military in foreign duties? Guy, drop it!

Again, why are you insisting that Nigeria has excess hands when the CAS himself has said openly that his men are over-stretched? Isn't this why I said earlier that you are silly sir? What makes you think you know better than him? So also at the other time, I saw you argueing that Civil Defence Corps are part of military, where did you read that from?

"Proper and trusted source" against the words of the man that heads the institution himself? this is so so ridiculous sir.

Of course, SA was still under the curse of apartheid when Nigeria went to war in Liberia so I guess you guys missed the news. Oh, what about when Nigeria went to war in Sierra Leone? You guys were asleep then or what? How about Second Liberia civil war, does it sound to you like it was a riot?

You mean that Nigeria is a sell out to foreigners because we opened our doors to SA businesses?

andrewza:

yes if they run by nigerians they nigerian but since SA produces 80% of all cars in africa it means nothing, nigeria is the second biggest export of those cars after algeria(excluding SADC since they not listed has exports)those oil companies are not run by local or if they are they stand back has the vast majority of the revenue is sent out of the country. a good way to know if it is a local branch is looking at the name example ford in SA is called FORD SA

The above reasoning explains depth of your confusion. So because FORD has an assembly plant in SA so it is now SAn? Egbami ke? Ok, Google is now Chinese because it has large office in China. Nokia is Indian because it has a big assembly plant in India. Does it still make sense?

andrewza:

go read up what you beloved beagel said of EO

BAE is not in SA BAE owns majority shares in OMC, The full name of the company is BAE OMC land systems south africa, the company is 100% run by SA. All those other foreign companies in SA are Run by south africans, germany dose not send people to run Mercedes south africa.

I never mentioned how we sold nuke tech to you, it is well known that russia is helping you.


If you want to think all those things go head but i never said them.

Arrrgggh! my friend, i have seen that discussion long time ago, and it does not in any way try to claim that Sierra Leone was Nigeria's operation. So stop grasping at straws.

Then, since Mercedece Benz plant in Enugu, Nigeria is managed by Nigerians, then it is a Nigerian company. Coca Cpla Nigeria is Nigerian Company, ditto Mobil, Texaco, BP, Shell, Toyota, etc. Does that sound brilliant to you?

@ Andrewza,

You can lie!

Anyone who doesn't know better will think what he's saying is true. Guy, how did useless SANDF mercenaries stop the war in Sierra Leone? Abi you dey crase ni? When the whole world knows Nigeria literally single handedly stopped the war, now you got drunk from cheap rum and you come here to tell us that your useless SANDF won WW2 for Allied Forces. Guy, walahi you don crase finally!

Again, does presence of BMW, BAE Systems and host of other western industries in SA make them SA companies? You and your lying brothers come here and pervade the whole places with your plethora of lies about things that are not. Next thing you will tell us is how SA sold nuclear technology to US, ...how 300 SANDF went to space to fight aliens for training,...how SANDF soldiers who were sent to fight in Nigeria civil war captured Ojukwu and handcuffed and took him away to CIV,...how 300 Spartan soldiers were SANDF, ...Spartacus and Jack Bauer are SANDF soldiers....bla bla bla

Guy, give it up, your lies no dey sell again. Shuo? I guess they train you in SAN to lie stupidly, abi?

Come o, abi Pinky and the Brain sef na SANDF guys?

^^^


I say STOP THOSE LIES !!!! >:

Read the article and tell me how many soldiers you have in CAR.

You have to learn to read between the lines, your govt is obviously lying!

CLASSICAL SAYINGS


"lies told often enough becomes the truth" - Lennin, 1924.


"If the devil is father of lies, then he must be a South African" - Agugust, 2013.

andrewza:


Your link proofs what.

I have siad from the start

SA was not there to fight the rebels. The rebels had out side help. The poltsions fiald in there duties and the SANDF forces on the ground inflicted heavy losses on the rebels and completed there goal of protecting SANDF aserts.


Your own source proofes that. So thank you.

kai! ...stop lying!!!

these your lies are getting ridiculous my fiend! Are you related to the Devil himself?

Do I look or sound like a South African (mugu)?

Common, read and digest the article in full, it is a transcript of sitting of your own parliament, and see that the government has been lying all along, and you are agents of deception!

Abi to read sef dey worry you ni?

Dan iska n ku!

andrewza:


Your link proofs what.

I have siad from the start

SA was not there to fight the rebels. The rebels had out side help. The poltsions fiald in there duties and the SANDF forces on the ground inflicted heavy losses on the rebels and completed there goal of protecting SANDF aserts.


Your own source proofes that. So thank you.

kai! ...stop lying!!!

these your lies are getting ridiculous my fiend! Are you related to the Devil himself?

Do I look or sound like a South African (mugu)?

Common, read and digest the article in full, it is a transcript of sitting of your own parliament, and see that the government has been lying all along, and you are agents of deception!

Abi to read sef dey worry you ni?

Dan iska n su!

una still dey follow these dingbat South Africans? Them lie pass devil himself, the worst set of hypocrites I have seen in my life!

Imagine their reasoning....SA na heaven, other places na hell. WTF!!!

SELEKA trounced them, yet they come here to make mouth. Can you believe that?

Now, the link below is the evidence to prove that all what they have been shamelessly saying here about their disgraceful Nigeria-military-wanna-be mission in CAR is blatant lie that they know of or just gullible enough to be swooned by their lying government. Even members of their parliament proved that the facts don't add up.

WARNING - it is a long script, but very worthwhile in face of these lying bats from pit of hell.

link is below:


http://www.ocnus.net/artman2/publish/Africa_8/Mapisa-Nqakula-s-Briefing-on-CAR.shtml

andrewza:



Show me how I am wrong.

I wish I can, but your antecedents with those who have argued with you earlier doesn't encourage me. You twist and turn logic just to protract arguments, which I don't have time for. But I will try to oblige you for sake of respect I have for you among your peers;

i. What was your mandate in CAR?

ii. Did you succeed with your mandate?

Answer to those questions is what you seek sir.

DictatorZAR:

You talk a hole lot of sh*it and saying nothing.

Asymmetric warfare hahahahah go try this on the average Naija muffu

Vermin, yes, asymmetric, so what's your point? You want to spin another "SA is god" lies you guys have shamelessly been peddling and defending? c'mon spit it out and get served again, just this time I am not SELEKA, so i won't be looking for your white flag.



"If the devil is father of all lies, then he must be a South African" - Agugust, 2013. Copyright.

andrewza:

The diffrence is that our solders did not fial. They where never over run, routed, breached or deafted in any way. People still think that our job was to protected the CAR presdiant and capital. This was not our mandat but the maindat of the Regional forces, who ran away. SA was fighting to protected there own and did so.


The mission in DRC is diffrent. Hence the air support being deployed.

"Lies told often enough becomes the truth" - Lenin, 1870-1924.



you have told yourself this lies repeatedly enough that you have made yourself disillusioned to believe it as truth. My friend, if you still don't know what happened, [size=38pt]YOU GOT SERVED[/size] by SELEKA. Q.E.D

So stop peddling this brazen lies. accept the simple fact and move on

Now I am forced to comment here again...

...has anyone noticed how these South Africans are only here to promote SA shit and only ridicule Nigeria facts?


SANDF failed woefully in CAR and they come here to top dress it as "lesser casualty victory"? Do they think anyone here is stuupiid?

Nigeria Armed Forces is internationally respected for her records and for the first time in my life, after that mis-informed Ghanian doofus of a journalist, I see South Africans here trying in vain to put NAF down so that "little" light can shine of disgraced SANDF. Now, if that isn't idiotic, what is it?

(Now I must name-call to home-in these illogicality...)

One of them stupiidly said since JTF lost men in raids, then JTF is incompetent. DAMN!!! are you guys this idiotic? do you know anything about intricacies of military operations other than posting hardware pictures? ...huh!

Now see another doofoos....they claim that because civilians were killed in counter insurgency operations, so NA is incompetent. Now, if you are so smart, show me just ONE country that's battling insurgency that doesnt have accusations of civilian deaths as collateral damage? if you can't, then you are an eediiot for making the accusation in first place!

Another said Nigeria Armed Forces have 2C issues....WTF! so na only SANDF holy pass abi? una dey mad! show your proof now or be the damned fool again! ....shaiiit!

Look, you boyz, I will never defend Nigerian military as saints, they surely have their excesses, but not for SANDF supporters to point out as their shameless asssses are out in the air. Your military can only learn from Nigeria if you want to avoid another humiliating defeat from rag-tag army. Nigeria suffered similar humiliation in hands of rebels when ECOMOG HQ was breached under command of a Ghanaian Supreme Commander and Samuel Doe captured right from hands of ECOMOG. But Nigeria did not pull out, we pushed ECOWAS to change mamdate from Peace Keeping to Peace Enforcement, with which the Supreme Commander was sacked and a Nigerian (Gen Joshua Dongoyaro) took command, tore all agreements with rebel groups and UNLEASHED HELL on all rebel fronts. They all broke off and end of the story is Liberia today.

Reason for the history lesson is to tell you that we have had your same of DISGRACE over 25 years ago! the difference is that we never LIED about ours, but reacted to it and today we are better fighting force for it. Then you will know why Nigeria military doesnt "play" with "civilians" in battle fronts. They know more about unconventional warfare better than your wanna-be SANDF. Really, u guys need to send your commanders to National War College here if you are ever going to be successful in international operations here in Africa.

Playing video game war simulation with big boys is never the same as asymmetric warfare against insurgents. well you will NEVER know because your military has never been in one.

So much for your inexperienced SANDF

sithwell:

If there was no argument in the first place, you wouldn't have jumped up your chair to curtail free speech and opinion. If you are no longer enjoying the games and if you have no counter-arguments, sit it out. With respect, sit it out. Let those who want to sift through these things do that freely.

This is a forum. It's meant for debate, learning and the changing of opinions. No one has been insulted. No one has been called names. Therefore you have absolutely nothing to lose your top over.

Sit it out, my friend.

My friend, can you distinguish between an argument and assertion? Do you know what constitutes an argument? You made an assertion based on high ignorance, I observed that, faulted it and referred you to your betters for fact finding. Next you are claiming you are making arguments; with whom? Definitely not with me. So I am still not obliged even at this point to counter-anything.

sithwell:

So in short, we have now moved on from attacking countries and have decided posters will be attacked with no valid counter-argument given?

No need for counter-argument, because there was no argument in the first place. Your ignorance was only observed and you were referred to non-Nigerian entities who should educate you better on the matter (even at risk of negative bias).

sithwell:

So in short, we have now moved on from attacking countries and have decided posters will be attacked with no valid counter-argument given?

I see. You've been enjoying the debates and now it's starting to get too hot in here for you because suddenly the SA's Army own incompetence as shown against SELEKA has been brought to light?

above quote has been fixed for you.

NA is known to have her excesses with civilians, that's no secret sir (except you are JJC). But tell me which potent fighting force anywhere in the world that doesn't have such liability, especially when fighting rebels or religious insurgency?

sithwell:


You have been given facts and instances of failure and incompetence. Argue against those and not against posters. Tell us why the ill-fated raids aren't a sign of incompetence.

My friend, do you now see why I described you as an arm-chair analyst? How and where on earth is sustaining casualty on a military Op interpreted as "failure and incompetence"? @andrewza, your own countryman, whose opinion I have come to respect on this forum as a professional will school you better on how preposterous that your assertion sounds.

Attacking posters serves nothing.

Yes sir, you are right. But attacking ignorance serves as everything. I only want us to keep to facts at best and not weak attempt to ridicule others when in actual fact your own ridicule is only 2 weeks old.

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DictatorZAR:

Now you call that a proudly naija product that's not even a original product. Building a APC based on a merc chassis for military or even SSS is totally a waist of money and resources, there's many ready made products on the market with far better quality then that excuse for a socalled armoured rack.

If that is the best your Perforce can do I must then conclude judging what's on offer in SA I must say even our SAPS(SA police) are better equipped and have better vechiles.

[s]A military within a country should not be used against insurgents like BH but police force coupled with intelligents would be more then just good or such missions[/s].

@Henry your excuse for the failure of NA is inexcusable, there's been hundreds of reports in the media even here on NL about the conduct of Nigerian Army when conducting raids, with total disregard for Human Rights. There's been reports wher even 30 civilians have been killed in NA raids, even where a 60 year old man was beaten to death just for damaging a Army vechile.


[s]The fact remains Nigerian security forces are incompetent[/s] and a Army should not operate with impunity. Another thing a Army should only operate and give support to existing policing structures to fulfill its statutory mandate not man roadblocks and harnessing citizens, soldiers are mend to defend a nations sovereignty.

The above canceled and bolded show high ignorance of reality of war on terror. I think you should stick to your SANDF photo parade which I have been enjoying, this attempt to do an arm-chair strategic analyst of Nigerian local war on terror is discrediting your efforts. Your military has never fought terrorism, so you will never know what it is like until you come face-to-face with it. It is never by the books; hope you guys learnt anything from this SELEKA trumping, did you?

sithwell:

[s]Well, in addition to incompetence, this would point to a lack of discipline. The lack of discipline cancels out Nigeria's numbers advantage and actually turns it into a disadvantage. How do generals control millions of ill-disciplined men who do whatever they want? That's a recipe for infighting in any army[/s].

That said, we need to cancel all the points associated with Nigeria's big numbers and mark the NA down accordingly. The men can't be mobilised in times of extreme pressure if they aren't disciplined.

...and you too, look before you leap. stop aping. You have followed your friend into a field you know next to nothing about. You have never been close to Nigeria Military and suddenly you delve into issues of command? This is preposterous sir. Before you go ahead, if you know so much about your own military, then I think you need to consult with some of your men who have been exposed to the Nigerian Military and seek advice.

at all, I have been enjoying the debates here along with the banters. But I think people should be more honest with their claims.

Billyonaire: USA has promised South Korea what they can not offer. A cover from Nuclear Attack ? Are you kidding ? North Koreans are like a million suicide bombers. They could nuke South within minutes and the deed is already done ? And USA is preventing Iran from having Nuclear Weapon, yet they are flaunting theirs in the face of the world. UN is actually too silent on this salient issue. Hypocrisy is the name of the planet we live in, I guess to succeed, one has to be largely hypocritical.

my guy, d joke is on NK. how the US strategic defence system works is once it senses (through satellite observation) a launch (it does that by rapid analysis of heat and illumination generated by rapid burning propellant released by the missile. it is usually related to its size and range) of ballistic missile, it raises alarm and AUTOMATICALLY triggers off a countermeasure which is designed to take down the missile while it is still within "safe" range. if the launch is observed from a strategic launch site (most of them are known), you hav earned a right to have B-52H Stratofortress and B-2B strategic bombers swarming over your airspace and delivering their deadly payloads before you can reload from another launch site. Hope you know the permanent status of NORAD?

"Beware of what you wish for" - Chinese proverb

Jopac: Op y U̶̲̥̅̊ come put d plate number Ω̴̩̩̩̥α? Abi U̶̲̥̅̊ no no say Ω̴̩̩̩̥α where person dey work him dey chop. Do U̶̲̥̅̊ want d man 2 b sacked. Dose politicians O̶̲̥̅Ϟ top ® worst dan him, mayb dat Ȋ̝̊̅§ d only way he makes more money 2 take care of his family. Pls let's b considerate atimes a̶̲̥̅̊₪d̶̲̥̅̊ mind wat we post.

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This reasoning is highly stuupid!

The Nigerian Air Force has acquired a former SAS B737-505 (to be registered NAF 916 or 716; ex-LN-BRV). The aircraft is currently at Istanbul for maintenance.

http://nigerianaviation./tag/nigerian-air-force/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanair/8399523798/in/photostream/

he died at a very ripe age. lucky him