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I just hope Obi is not playing politics. Please let this be true.

Why not just post the story and let others comment. Your prejudicial posting has already made this thread DOA, Dead on arrival, to objective posts. Well done.

When will this tanker wahala end in Nigeria? So so sad.

I sidon dey wait for the final verdict. Wahala dey.oo.

Yawa wan gas.o o. Wetin?

This is commendable as many lives are lost in nigeria because of lack of such trainings. aI hope other governors emulate this for the good of the whole nation where many people are already half dead. I also hope it will be a continuing exercise with refresher courses and will eventually extend to non-medical personnel. This could save the life of the next man anytime.

Good one if it is not doublespeak

I believe that Ajumogobia will be back.

Everyone eventually dies. The important thing is how well did you live. Ikemba has lived well and in the way he believed. That is what is important. Love him or hate him, he has always remained true to himself and to his people and they love him so dearly for that. If God wills to give him more years, good. If he wills to call him home, I believe that he has run his race and finished his course well. The parting will be well made. But God is no man and His plans for every man he plays close to His chest.

I think OBJ is gradually becoming senile. When he tried to tamper with an appropriate PDP zoning, did he not know he was sowing the wind? Now he is reaping the whirlwind

Nigeria's profile is really on the upward swing under GEJ. Good signs of greater things to come. The naysayers might want to eat out their heart.

The nay-sayers will not see this. They will rather continue with the cliche 'clueless'. Their mind has now entered the state of inertia about anything that has to do with Jonathan. GEJ go on and roll out your other plans while backbiters keep staying at the back.

I keep loving this man more and more. Enough of all these threats .

I'm glad to hear this. I now understand. Chief Comedian can do a lot of money generation through entertainment. It now makes a lot of business sense. Go on Rochas.

@ lagacity. This is serious. It reminds of Danjuma's madness and shooting of invisible enemies since he killed his boss Ironsi. Blood is strong. Shedding innocent blood on purpose is serious. For how long have these nightmares being going on? Are there others suffering from such nightmares? Have you in any way wronged Ndigbo or shed any Igbo blood or been really evil to them other than these banters on nl? If your conscience is clear, the nightmares will pass but if not go and do real restitution to God and Ndigbo.

What really is going on with BAKARE? Has he fallen victim to all the enchantment and spell hidden inside the food and drinks Buhari's muslim witch doctors hid in them for him?

@ birdman. Red herring you say. That is the disadvantage of jumping into the middle of a debate without having all d facts at your disposal. You jumped in and picked up a statement i made to show that katsumoto's efforts to make zik culpable fall apart under critical thinking and higher criticism and you went of on a tangent bringing a different debate to the table. Logic demands that you develop a different construct to prove whatever was your agenda not to come into the middle of another one to try to hijack it for yours. As long as you jumped into the middle of our debate to ally with one party, i naturally believed that you have accepted his verdict. Now i realize that you were arguing on a diff agenda that i had already said i was not here to debate since it always leads to a stalemate, i politely remove your name from katsumoto's verdict of zik being the coup's master mind. Go ahead then and construct your logic on another leg not on a quote i specifically made to de bunk a new nl conspiracy theory you have called a red herring,

@birdman and katsumoto. Assuming even assuming that your hypotheses  were correct how does it lead you to the conclusion that Zik was the coup master mind if it is not bigotory. I do not have to start debating your conjectures one for one when the conclusion thereof is defective,  If i were on the pc and not on phone and actually wanted  to pick them one after the other i would still be harmstrung as there are no links to investigate them. They are not proven facts but  are a bunch of conjectures   many of which have been de bunked elsewhere even here on nl . The onus is on you to prove them true not for me to prove them false. And just quoting one book whose author does not agree with your verdict does not cut it. You are the one alleging. Prove your allegations beyond a shadow of doubt. That is what the law of evidence demands. The burden of proof is on the one that alleges not on the one that denies.

@ katsumoto. Let me then rehash. What you wrote are not facts but opinions that have been woven together and conveniently mixed with half truths or outright falsehood to achieve a desired conclusion of making Zik culpable. It ignores a lot of recorded history and later events. It remains your opinion. How many nigerians subscribe to it? So please keep it to yourself while others keep theirs. Continuously pushing it on nl or elsewhere with out proofs at all but convenient conjectures leads to bigotory or even worse, obsession.

@katsumoto. Facts? What facts? More like a badly concocted cocktail of hurriedly assembled jaundiced opinions conveniently placed with information selectively gathered with biased hindsight and intricately and conspiratorially woven together with one intent; to prove a conclusion hopefully desired. 95 per cent of recorded history and later events are disregarded and only 5 percent of prejudicial evidence are mixed together with hateful anti matter to try to form matter. But it sadly falls into shreds under the powerful search light of critical thinking and higher criticism and rationalism.

@ ndu chucks. Shehu ndu seems you have caught a shut eye. Hope you will do better this time around. But what is this your fixation with innuendo about my identity. What is your fixation about intellectual superiority. It is clearly a psychological projection of intellectual inferiority. Haha.

@katsumoto. Your conspiracy theory about Zik being the coup master mind is actually laughable. The man must have been a genius to actually do that and get away with it. Not only that most of the honours he got from Nigeria has been from the northern military goons. Who after seeing all the intelligence reports went ahead to make him the most immortalised nigerian. Sorry pal. You can do better than that. I'm actually laughing away at such a theory.

@jmaine. Even if your granny was igbo does not matter. The morale of my post is for you to stop believing every my grammy story. Ask for a little evidence.

@negro. New you say. Funny. Whatever helps your boat to float.

@negro. My discussion with katsumoto here has transcended that pedantic level. Please cue in to what we are discussing or just read and not contribute. If you want to start a chicken an egg session, please refer to others who may even take you to genesis 1 or much later to 1914 or even to 1960 or 63 wherever it pleases them. But if you want to participate intelligently in this discussion, why not continue from where we are now instead of asking me whether the chicken came before the egg or the other way. round. Hope you understand the parable . No offences intended.

@jmaine. Many stories have been told to justify the killing off 60,000 innocent men women and children in cold blood. Many will still be told. Pray how come not one not even one of the calendars in your granny's story survived for us to see. You are talking of a printed document not an oral evidence. Did you see any of those pictures? Has any person on nl seen one both old and young? How come all the calendars miraculously disappeared the same way they appeared. All these granny stories cannot heal the wound on the conscience of the nation as well as all the rationalisations about the rightness of the scale of the volume of blood poured away in the name vengeance,  Nuff said.

@ katsumoto. I do agree with you about the benefit of new info and that it gives clearer picture of those events but the issue is which info and from what source? New info can be helpful but can also be doctored to support the views of the provider. If you believe that max accounts are credible? It still beats me that you refuse to accept his evidence that the jan coup had no ethnic agenda. It beats me further why you keep presenting ademoyega as a pawn when the man who just died recently and at 74 and with the benefit of all the new info never ever changed his story as one of the 3 ring leaders of jan 66 and even went ahead to document his stand in a trilogy for posterity. Please help us with links to support your assertions over ademoyega's books.

Thanks Katsumoto. To all intents and purposes Your link ( Max Siollun) lists 7, You list 9 majors and Ben Gbulie (and many others) lists 5 in his '5 majors' while Ademoyega that died recently said they were 3 main planners  Himself, Ifeajuna and Nzeogwu in his 'why we struck'. So which report do we believe. One should stick to whichever that makes most sense to him while allowing others their beliefs within reason and not bracket all others as incorrect.

Katsumoto:
Please see the list in the link below; bear in mind that Obienu and Chude-Sokei are not listed because they weren't physically present.

http://www.kwenu.com/publications/siollun/1966_coup2.htm

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=482611.msg8780517#msg8780517 date=1311535085]@houvest, heheheh, why can't you people stick to a single userid. The only igbo brother   friend who has ever refered to ndu_chucks as Shehu is df2006. You've been busted buster!!    ewu (chilled) can beer[/quote]Sultan Sheikh Shehu Ndu. You really need to up your game today. Wetin dey happen na? You are not at your best today. So instead of taking my advice and making appropriate quotes you now resort to false accusations. Do not be pedestrain like your brother Sanusi in using name-dropping to prop up his shallow arguments on Islamic Banking. Focus pal. Olodo to the millionth power.

Katsumoto:
You would have a better understanding if you read a few books and a few articles by Max and Nowa.

I have stated that the July and January coups had different objectives so there was no way that the participants would have the same composition.

January Coup Objective
1. Effect change of leadership in the country - The new leader would be Igbo and that was the conclusion
2. Give the coup a revolutionary feel
3. Eliminate political and military figures in the West and North - objective achieved
4. Recruit a known revolutionary

Tasks
1. Conduct training exercises using existing formations. Nzeogwu carried out actual training exercises near Bello's house before the coup. To conduct these training exercise, it would have very obvious if all the participants were Igbo. Secondly, if they were all Igbo, then they would not have been able to leave the barracks on the night of the coup. They were excused because they were partaking in a military training exercise.
2. Nzeogwu was a known revolutionary; he was recruited 3 months before the execution. Nzeogwu then recruited Ademoyega two months before coup

July Coup Objective
1. Eliminate Igbo military personnel -
2. Secede - not accomplished due to the interference of british and American diplomats


Since the objective of the July coup was not to target politicians, there was no need to mask its intention. The objective was to eliminate the enemy; so why would Igbo officers have been armed or part of it. In fact, when the coup kicked off in Ibadan, all soldiers were armed. When Danjuma got there, all soldiers were disarmed before just the Northern soldiers were re-armed. Because of the actions of the January plotters, the July plotters would have to pursue a different strategy.

Besides, the Northerners have never denied that the July coup was ethnically motivated because they know it serves no purpose. It is only Igbo sons who continue to deny the obvious colouration of the January coup and moan about the July revenge coup. If you want to re-write history, you might as well go back to January 66 and kill Zik, Akanu Ibiam, Okpara, Ironsi, Njoku, Orizu, etc. Then it would have been balanced. Similarly, if you slap me, there is no rule that states that I must slap you back. I may decide to give you a blow-slap. That Ifeajuna decided to mask his objectives does not mean that Murtala must equally mask his own objectives. They are different people and have different backgrounds.

Still no links. Just opinions and interpretations. I have told you that I do not care about your interpretations nor am I going to involve in any debate about it with you since you have done tonnes of that with Dede and others yet with no compromise, why beat an unwilling horse? You picked me up on a statement I made to Wesley and said that the following were incorrect 1. The January coup were spearheaded by 5 majors ( 4 Igbos, One Yoruba) . 2. That majority of the footsoldiers were non-Igbo. You then provided a list of 9 majors and I asked for an authoritative link to compare with mine and you are refering me to Max and Nowa.

I am not debating strategies here. I am stating a fact that majority of the footsoldiers of Jan 66 coup were non-Igbo. Reasons for that are subject to the opinion of whoever is talking  and are matters for another debate. I rather stick to facts that are agreed to by all. I still await your authoritative internet link on your list of 9 majors.

Katsumoto:
You were expecting Igbo soldiers to be involved in the July 1966 coup?    The July coup was clearly a revenge coup while the January coup was an ethnic coup designed to give it a revolitionary appeal. But its execution betrayed its onjectives.

Please try to read the accounts of both coups to gain a better perspective and understanding. There is no rule that states that a counter-coup or any other unrelated coup must follow the same principles as the first coup.

Please read my post again and come up with a better response please.

Even now no platoons divisions,etc are built along ethnic lines so I do not understand what you are trying to inform me about. The funny thing about your argument is that you are quick to find the excuse for why most of the NCOs in the January coup were non-Igbo and why no single Igbo NCO  was involved in the July coup just to prove your long held belief that Jan was an Igbo project when the truth stares you in the face that it was a project of certain revolutionary but perhaps hotheaded Nigerian soldiers with Igbos in the majority in the planning. You know what,;I dont really care nor am I here to involve in that argument with you. You have had loads of it with Dede and others and remain with your opinion so I am not about to try to change that. I was just correcting wesleys' naive but dangerous assertion and I have just done that. As for your listing of the number of majors Please provide me with links to help me compare with my own source of information not just lists.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=482611.msg8780252#msg8780252 date=1311531497]Nwannem, if an Igboman made this factual statement "I never approve of the bloodshed perpetrated by the 5 majors (4 were Igbo) and many footsoldiers( mostyly non-Igbo) but sitting their and insinuating that because the coup was headed by an Igbo, the pogrom of hundreds of thousands of Igbo by the North is justified because if the situation were reversed, Igbo would have done a similiar thing (ie kill hundreds of thousands of northern civilians)" would he be considered efulefu by you? And why would a statement of fact be considered as "bashing his own people". Is it customary for you to sweep inconvenient facts under the rug by labelling the honest ones among you efulefu?[/quote]This Shehu ndu chuks, please stop misquoting me. If you want to quote me quote me fully. If you want to quote Wesley, please copy and paste his post or simply hit the quote button above his post in the reply window. Do not be mentally lazy. It does not suit you. Read through the thread to correctly select the post you want to quote. If not vamoose from this thread; olodo to the thousandth power.