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Written by the Disciple Mark?
To what conclusion do all these questions lead? That there must be a mistake somewhere. In fact, that is what nearly all modern Bible scholars have concluded, namely, that these words—and not only these words but all of what appears as Mark 16:9-20—were not written by Mark but were added by a later hand. On what grounds do scholars so conclude? On both external and internal evidence.
First of all, there is the telling fact that two of the oldest and most highly regarded Bible manuscripts, the Vatican 1209 and the Sinaitic, do not contain this section; they conclude Mark’s Gospel with verse eight. There are also a number of ancient manuscripts that contain a short ending of just about one verse beyond eight; and other manuscripts contain both conclusions. So, some manuscripts end with verse eight, others have a short ending, others have a long ending, and some even give both endings. In addition to this testimony of the Greek manuscripts, all of which combines to cast doubt on Mark’s having written anything beyond verse eight, there are a number of the oldest versions (or translations) that do not contain the verses in question. Among such are ancient Syriac, Armenian and Ethiopic versions. No wonder that the noted manuscript authority Dr. Westcott states that “the verses which follow [9-20] are no part of the original narrative but an appendage.” Among other noted scholars of the same opinion are Tregelles, Tischendorf, Griesbach and Goodspeed.
Supporting this testimony of the Greek manuscripts and versions are the church historian Eusebius and the Bible translator Jerome. Eusebius wrote that the longer ending was not in the “accurate copies,” for “at this point [verse 8] the end of the Gospel according to Mark is determined in nearly all the copies of the Gospel according to Mark.” And Jerome, writing in the year 406 or 407 C.E. said that “nearly all Greek MSS. have not got this passage.”
Quite pertinent here is what the New Catholic Encyclopedia (1966), Volume 9, page 240, has to say about these verses: “The manuscript tradition indicates that the Gospel originally ended at 16.8, but that the longer ending that is incorporated in the Vulgate was later added, becoming widely accepted in the course of the 5th century. . . . Its vocabulary and style differ so radically from the rest of the Gospel that it hardly seems possible Mark himself composed it. . . . Mark 16.1-8 is a satisfactory ending to the Gospel insofar as it declares Jesus’ Resurrection-prophecy to be fulfilled.”
Mark’s Style?
Note that the New Catholic Encyclopedia argues that the vocabulary and style of Mark 16:9-20 differ so radically from the Gospel of Mark that it hardly seems possible that Mark himself wrote those verses. Yes, Mark’s style is plain, direct; his paragraphs are short and the transitions are simple. But in this ending, as the Encyclopedia observes, “we have a carefully arranged series of statements, each with its proper introductory expression.” Well has it been likened to a piece of torn satin attached to a roll of homespun.
There is also the matter of vocabulary. There are words used in verses 9 through 20 that do not appear elsewhere in Mark’s Gospel, some words that do not occur in any of the other Gospels, some that do not occur elsewhere in the Christian Greek Scriptures. These verses consist of 163 Greek words, and, of these, 19 words and 2 phrases do not occur elsewhere in Mark’s Gospel. Or, put otherwise, in these verses there are 109 different words, and, of these, 11 words and 2 phrases are unique to these verses.
But most conclusive of all that Mark could not have written these verses and that they are no part of the inspired Word of God is their content. As has already been noted, there is no evidence that Christ’s followers were to be able to drink deadly poison without being hurt, as stated in verse 18. Even in the matter of handling snakes it is very apparent that those handling them do all they can to keep the snakes from biting, and they handle them only for five minutes at a time.
Further, these questionable verses state that the eleven apostles refused to believe the testimony of two disciples whom Jesus had met on the way and to whom he revealed himself. But, according to the account in Luke, when the two disciples found the eleven and those with them, these said: “For a fact the Lord was raised up and he appeared to Simon!”—Luke 24:13-35.
So in view of all the foregoing what do we conclude? That Mark 16:9-20 is not part of God’s inspired Word, and that for the following reasons: (1) These verses are not found in two of the oldest and most highly regarded Greek manuscripts as well as others. (2) They are also not found in many of the oldest and best Bible translations or versions. (3) Such ancient scholars as Eusebius and Jerome pronounced them spurious. (4) The style of these verses is entirely different from that of Mark. (5) The vocabulary used in these verses is different from that of Mark. (6) And, most important of all, the very content of these verses contradicts the facts and the rest of the Scriptures.
Regarding these questionable verses, it might be noted that not only did the ones adding them do a very poor job but it may well be that they proceeded on a wrong premise. How so? In that Mark actually may have ended his Gospel with what is now verse eight. Noting that this could well be, especially in view of Mark’s abrupt style, are Eusebius, Jerome and the New Catholic Encyclopedia as well as Aid to Bible Understanding.
There certainly are grave consequences, even death to some, when additions to God’s Word are made in disregard of repeated warnings. (Deut. 4:2; 12:32; Prov. 30:6; Rev. 22:18) On the other hand, “the saying of Jehovah endures forever.”—1 Pet. 1:25.
 
 
 
“But,” asks a Pentecostal, “what about Mark 16:17, which says: ‘These signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues.’ Doesn’t that prove that all Christ’s followers should be able to speak with tongues?” But let us note the context. According to it believers should not only be able to talk with tongues but also be able to cast out demons, able to handle poisonous snakes without injury and drink deadly potions without harm.
True, there are some few who hold that the holy spirit will enable one to handle poisonous snakes without harm; that is why the United States press periodically tells of some of these misguided ones’ being bitten and even dying from snake bites under such conditions. Such as W. J. Palmer of Johnson City, Tennessee, who died of snake bites October 4, 1953; J. Thomas of Trenton, Georgia, who died of such snake bites June 15, 1954, and C. E. Canada, of Greenville, South Carolina, who in August, 1953, survived a snake bite only because he accepted massive injections of serum that the other two who died had refused.
The fact is that modern Bible scholars are agreed that the last twelve verses that speak about tongues and not being injured by snakes were not written by Mark but added by another. According to Goodspeed, Mark’s account “stops abruptly at the end of 16:8 in the two best and oldest manuscripts, the Sinaitic and the Vatican, and a few others.”—The Goodspeed Parallel New Testament.

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@BIZBOOkS
I know it excite you to bring bad news about your own brother while u exalt foreigner just because Mikel refused to join MANU. This country is a course. Tell me one player that covered more distance in nigeria squad like Mikel. I work with statistics. Mikel covered 39.7 km in 4 games at the WC. No Nigerian player covered 38km appart from him. Tell me how can a sloww person cover more distance than your so called fast players. Let us promote our people, what did nig achieved in south africa when mikel did not play? Why did nigeria lost to USA when they removed mikel and onazi played.

@GOSHEN
I WANT YOU GUYS TO READ THE SCRIPTURE BELOW AND TELL US WHAT YOU UNDERSTAND THERE, MAY BE THIS WILL HELP THE CATHOLIC POPE TO CORRECT HIS EMBRACE OF THE GAY PRIESTS.
2 COR. 5:8-13. EMPHASIS ON VERSE 12,13


8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people-- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."


8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people-- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."


8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people-- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

@adonismuller
Your comments shows how bad is your background. I am not trying to insult you. I am a Jehovah's witness trained member. I can point blank tell you that I did not have sex untill after my wedding. This is not so difficult, it requires discupline and living with the right friends, I can also confirm to you that my younger brother and two of my elder sisters were all virgins up till mariage day. This is the problem I have with most of this christian churches, they lack the best way to help their member to cultivate bible trained consience that could have helped them to avoid premarital sex.

PRIDE PROMOTES JEALOUSY
NIGERIANS WORSHIP NAME OF SCHOOLS
NIGERIAN WORSHIPS PAPER CERTIFICATES
WAS DANGOTE, ADENUGA, OTEDOLA THAT EMPLOYED YOU FROM IFE
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THERE IS NO GROWTH IN NIGERIA
WE ADORE IFE CERTIFICATES AS IF OUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT
WE DESTROY CRAFTY ARTS, TECHNICAL EDUCATION BECAUSE WE WANT TO BOAST IN THE SOCIETY THAT WE ACQUIRE A SUPERIOR CERT THAT WILL NEVER TAKE NIGERIA TO ANY LEVEL
AT TIMES I GO TO SPEND TIMES OFFSHORE, I MEET TECHNICALLY SOUND TECHNICIANS FROM KOREA, INDIA AND OTHER COUNTRIES, THEY NEVER WENT TO GREAT IFE AND THEY EARN ABOVE 1 M.
NIGERIANS ARE JUST PURSUING EMPTY BARRELS FOR POLITICAL SUPERIORITY
SOME EVEN WANT TO BE A PROFESSOR JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT TO OPRESS OTHERS
I WILL STILL KEEP PRAYING FOR THIS COUNTRY.

LET US PROTEST AGAINST THIS EVIL CALLED DSTV
we like to talk without action
just a matter of calling a press and organise a protest
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
DSTV MUST REDUCE THEIR RIDICULOUS PRICE ELSE THE SHOULD LEAVE THE COUNTRY

REVOLUTION! REVOLUTION!! REVOLUTION!!!
LET US STOP TALKING, BURN DSTV PROPERTY IN THIS COUNTRY SIMPLE
THIS PEOPLE ARE THIEVES
NOW IS THE TIME TO START
LET US CREATE A FORUM FOR THAT
DONT EXPECT NBC TO DO ANYTHING, THEY HAVE RECEIVED BRIBE
THEY BELIEVE WE KNOW HOW TO ADJUST IN THIS COUNTRY, BASTARD PEOPLE

[i][/i]gbosaa: Nonsense...why helicopter school??..

Who flies helicopter this days when our politicians and pastors are flying in bombardier jets..

That school need to upgrade sharp sharp..

I wish to enrol then get employed by Oyedepo and Adeboye.
Its my dream to be the first to fly our DADDIES in the Lord across Bermuda Triangle.




I think this guy needs education.
he needs to come to OIL & GAS Sector to know how important helicopter is to oil workers every day.
I will not say more than this.

TO ALL.
There is this scripture that says "TRULY I SAY TO YOU TODAY, YOU WILL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE"
Translation of this scriptures were manipulated right from the original manuscript
the understanding of the scripture was truely i say to you TODAY, and not TRUELY I SAY TO YOU, TODAY

can someone here interprets 2peter 3:13 for me pls. my observation here is everyone likes to inherit the kingdom of the heavens. no one want to inherit the one on earth. why? or is Matt 5:5 not part of the Christian bible again. does anyone understand the meaning of kingdom at all. do u know that not all in Nigeria can be in ASO ROCK AND HOUSE OF SENATE at the same time. does that mean we are not good enough to be there? cant we put one or two things together and undersand that GODS kingdom will bring a paradise to people rule with jesus in heaven and also the great crowd of righteous people who are to inherit the earth. read rev.14:1-5. let us horoscope our intelligent quotient and stop thinking that every righteous will go to heaven.

@ alpa conde
I wish I have your mobile and talk to your head. First read 1Cor.5:9-13 and compare that letter to what your pope told you. What you guys don't know is that you think God is going to use your leaders words as standard. The standard is your Bible. Read your bible and stop making alazy man's comments here. Your pope has taken a bribe and he will not be spared on the judgement day. You guys should try and separate a christian brother froom the world before talking matters like this. Your pope is trying to integrate homosexuals into christian congregation here, while Paul teaches that the congregation should not even with a Brother who refuses to change his bad ways. You guys should continue,the pope will save you on that day of Jehovah's anger

@OLAADEGBU
Do you remember a scripture that tells us that 'no man has ascended to the HEAVEN except he that descended from heaven- which is Jesus christ'.
Now your pastor went to heaven and hell and still came back to this Nigeria, if you listen to what jesus is saying, not even job, not even moses, not even Daniel have been to heaven until after resurrection (JOHN 5:28,29)
Your pastor want us to believe that after death is hell or heaven, while my own Bible says AFTER DEATH, THEN JUDGEMENT
So your pastor does not even have to wait till the second death before he start seeing people in Hell and Heaven.
Tell him that the video can only deceive my Mother not me again. Sorry.

@OLAADEGBU
So you understand the fact that a sinner will perish, then why have you refused to apply it to the scriptures that frosbel explained to you that a SINNER WILL PERISH NOT UNENDING TORMENT IN YOUR HELL FIRE.
JUDGE YOURSELF NOW, WHO HAS LACKED KNOWLEDGE BETWEEN YOU AND FROSBEL
YOU DESERVE SERIOUS PRAYER. JUST LOOK AT YOUR SELF NOW (THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH)NOW YOU HAVE INDIRECTLY ACCEPTED THE TRUTH SHAMEFULLY

@olaadegbu
Do you think we are here for kidding sake?
why are you rejoicing over the fact that you have not make any point to defend your MAKE BELIEVE sentiment?
Is that what you call achievement? or are you just a follower? Let me know where you stand and convince me of what you know about your God. Dont ridicule yourself here pls.

@OLAADEGBU
I have just watch the Video, but to be sincere with you, if you could believe all this fabricated dreams, then you should believe the Nigerian woman that also went to HELL and saw WHITNEY HOUSTON there sending a letter to her MUM asking her to take her only daughter to the church. of all people in the HELL as claimed by our modern day pastors, it is only WHYTNEY HOUSTON, this woman could see.
I kept wondering why REUBEN ABATI said;'WHY DID GOD NOT TELL US THAT MODERN DAY PASTORS WILL COME FROM NIGERIA'I think our people are just too myopic in their views.
how can a church leader tell me he went to hell and came back when BIble clearly describes hell as a grave.
WHY WILL REV 20:13 SAY THAT THE DEATH, AND THE HELL WILL BE CASTED IN THE LAKE OF FIRE? WHAT IS LAKE OF FIRE WHY IS HELL GOING TO BE CASTED THERE? WHY ARE THESE SO CALLED CHRISTIANS TURNING THINGS UPSIDE DOWN? WHY IS THERE NO THRUTH IN THIS WORLD? HOW DO U UNDERSTAND HELL FROM AMOS 9:2. I HAVE SHOWN YOU GUYS THE OTHER TRANSLATION FOR HELL AS A GRAVE where ECCL 9:10 DESCRIBES IT AS A GRAVE.
ARE WE NOW TO FOLLOW THE MAJORITY EVEN WHEN THEY ARE TOTTALLY WRONG BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT TO LOOSE OUR FRIENDSHIP WITH THE WORLD. SHOULD WE NOW FOLLOW THESE PASTORS EVEN WHEN THEIR TEACHINGS IS NOT IN LINE WITH JESUS PRINCIPLES/ MAY GOD DELIVER MY PEOPLE FROM BONDAGE OF SATAN AND HIS SYSTEM

If frosbel had come with a story of how he went to heaven and came back now, am sure you will all believe him because that is what you all want to hear. Let us fully understand what HELL is first, what HEAVEN is first, the origin of this teachings.
I want you guys to understand something before you start attacking FROSBELL, it is not possible for Bible to exist for such hundreds of years without receiving some wrong teachings before it gets to us. one of it exists in 1 JOHN 5,7 where the teaching of TRINITY seem to have gained its ground, but careful look at it shows they were not in other translations other than the KING JAMES VERSION.......................CAN SOMEONE WHO HAS ACCEPTED JESUS AS HIS LORD EXPLAIN OR TEACH US WHAT HAPPENED HERE? OR IS IT ALSO A MYSTERY?

1 JOHN 5:7

KING JAMES VERSION
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION
7 And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

REVISED STANDARD VERSION
7 And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

THE WORD ENGLISH BIBLE
7 For there are three who testify[a]:
NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION
7 For there are three that testify

@OLADEGBU, @ALEXLEO
I observed you guys are not fare to yourself with the way you have chosen to refused to accept defeat and move on.
No one is a perfect, let us base our observation on facts from the Bible. The fact that you are part of the majority on this thread, the fact that you are representing majority of modern day Christians today does not mean you are right, it does not mean some teachings were not adopted by Christians back then which you might think is right(pagan teachings). WHY NOT OPEN YOUR MIND and study Gods word properly and understand that that REVELATION OF HELL Described here is scripted according to the dream and tailored alongside what they expected majority will believe. THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE SATAN PLAY HIS ROLE. He does not want us to understand the underlining truth.
READ THE SCRIPTURES PASTED BELOW AND TELL ME YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORD HELL AS USED IN DIFFERENT TRANSLATORS OF THE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPT.SECOND, TELL ME WHICH HELL DID THAT MAN THAT SAID HE WENT TO HELL GO TO,IF ECC.9:5,10 IS TRUE. PLEASE BE CONSTRUCTIVE.

Ecclesiastes 9:5,10'

DOUAY VERSION

5 For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know nothing more, neither have they a reward any more: for the memory of them is forgotten

10 Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither thou art hastening.

KING JAMES VERSION
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.


New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

5 The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no more reward, and even the memory of them is lost.


10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do with your might; for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going



REV.20:13,14


KING JAMES VERSION

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell [/b]delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION
3 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and [b]Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death

REVISED STANDARD VERSION
13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.

I challenge those of you saying you witnessed a miracle of someone without hand suddenly grow a hand during a crusade to post your evidence on this page. at least there must be a camera phone with you then. One day Nigeria will attain European status in civilization, then these generation of liars who exploit our people in the name of the ghost called Nigerian miracles will be story by then. if those story are true, why are we still waiting for GODS KINGDOM, why cant these people cure boko haram, why are we still using gun to fight boko haram? a word is enough for the wise. Satan act as agent of light. your Bible told you that. so why not do the right thing now and wait for God's greater miracle in paradise where the wicked will be completely annihilated