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hahn:
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The island country of Iceland has officially declared Christianity a public health hazard. The law proclaiming the radical idea was signed recently by *Prime Minister Sigurður Ingi Jóhannsson in the spirit of “protecting the elderly from scams, our children from nightmares, and the general population from chicanery.”

As strong as the law’s language is, it does not restrict the free exercise of religion by any citizen or visitor.

A coalition of Lutherans, Catholics, and other Christian sects have formed an organization to combat the image that they contribute to the erosion of psychological well-being.

“Yes, certain rogues have used Christianity to fleece the old and give hellish nightmares to the young,” explained Reverend Andrew Canard.

“However, faith requires the acknowledgment of not knowing and we can all agree simplistic and often contradictory answers found in the Bible are the answers to not knowing.”

The new law urges Icelandic society to, “pick up a book” and to “engage fellow human beings in the spirit of compassion regardless of creed.” It also calls for research to determine the best path to promote Humanist values around the world.

This is NOT a witch hunt

Pro-reason activists hail the recent events as a victory against superstition. Some local Catholics are calling the measure a “witch hunt.”

“A witch hunt is where a mob attacks the weakest members of society and prosecutes them typically via a sham trial. The mob then executes the poor soul. The last time I checked, the Catholic Church were the undisputed champions of the world in such games for centuries,” stated an anonymous citizen.

American Republican Presidential hopefuls are calling the events transpiring in Iceland “dangerous” and wonder if such a brazen act of divine disobedience may mean that the country is not fit to be in NATO.

Both Democratic candidates are afraid to point out that the predominantly Muslim country of Turkey is,well, a predominantly Muslim country because they would be branded as “egg-heads.”

Source: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/laughingindisbelief/2016/04/iceland-declares-christianity-a-public-health-hazard/

i am almost certain u got this news from re.dd.it. i couldnt find another source besides it and patheos .com carrying this sensationalist news.
let me break it down for you.

icelanders have an enemity with the "church tax'' not religion. i do admit a large number have a thing against Christianity just like atheists, muslims etc have always had an irrational dislike for anything christ-like.. perhaps u may want to read up on the growing practice of paganism in iceland, with many joining their traditional deities
http://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/politics_and_society/2015/12/01/icelanders_flocking_to_the_zuist_religion/
.. wow so they are still theists afterall.

now about that statement which got u so excited. its not the view of the majority of icelanders, at least not yet.

iceland is the only country that i know that compels it citizens to pay a "church tax" to fund programs by the State's church. i wont be happy in a country that compels me to do that..(there is a reason why there should be separation of church/mosque and state), so that is why there is growing discontent. 57% of Icelanders consider themselves religious by the way...and the number is growing.

analice107:
Sis. What's fake about it? And is falling under anointing miracle?

I was a sceptic like you when I first ventured into pentecostalism some years back. Exactly your stance, because we were raised from childhood to deride the supernatural. Make fun of the Holy Spirit in a subtle way.

I will banter with my cousins and make fun of them and their pastor pushing people down, until one day.
Funny enough, I still followed them to their church, I liked the music, and boisterousness of their services didn't go down well with me at first, but with time, I started enjoying it, but not the sermon or their Pastor.
Like I said, one day, we went, I still remember the sermon like yesterday, the passage preached on was Isaiah chpt 6 from 1-6.
Before that day, I wont give attention to what the pastor said, but that day, when I had decided he was fake and a false prophet with powers from Satan to perform fake miracles, and shd hurry up so that we left, I heard a voice said to me,
"Does he need powers to preach the word of God? How many sensational miracles has he performed since you were here?"

Right there, it dawn on me that he doesn't really perform any outrageous miracles, but merely preach the word. So, for the first time, I listened to him. When he was down, we were asked to stand to our feet, the man prayed a prayer, asked the Holy Spirit to purify anyone with an 'unclean anything' and who is willing to be free.
No one was touched, he didn't even step down from the alter, I was sitting far behind, standing by myself, I didn't know how it happened, I was flattened on the floor. What?, I quickly jumped up, I went down again the second time and remained there for a while, later an usher helped me up. Every bone in me felt like wax. While I laid there, I think something else happened to me inside. When I left the place that night, I felt a certain way that I couldn't explain. My cousins laughed until we got home. I was basking inside with a new 'thing'. I was happy. Very happy, over what exactly,? I couldn't tell.
The next day, I wanted to read the Bible, I didn't have one, I borrowed. That was how it all began.

If you stand outside looking in, none of it will make sense to you. The supernatural is real.

i dont doubt those occurrences. as a christian who believes God formed the world i also believe anything is possible. However the point i tried to make was that this conman touched some people and they fell "under the anointing". its either he employed those people to fake it or it was random people just faking it.

proudkafir:
No, I won't subscribe to your ignorance. So if I'm a Nigerian and I practice Judaism I'm a Jew? So if I'm a Yoruba and I practice Islam I'm an Arab?

Who is talking about Saudi Arabia, I told you that the race with highest Muslim population are the Arabs because it is also part and parcel of their culture. Dont proove too ignorant. And for your information, unlike Islam, Judaism is not a preaching and expansionist faith. Judaism is only for the Jews, the Jews do not preach to anyone or fight anyone to practice their religion, while the Muslims do (qurann 9:29). You only see synagogues in a Jewish community.

You said Palestine are Israeli who reverted to Islam. This is a crazy statement that can only come from the mosque or Muslims. I can't educate you hear for your obvious and willful ignorance.

You also said Bethlehem and Nazareth is meant to be a Christian community. Thank God you acknowledge that the Arabs are strangers in those towns, do you still call the Jews the occupiers?

The Arabs are second class citizens in Israel and I like that. That is the problem you criminal prophet caused (qurann 5:51). All non-muslims in Islamic States are also second class citizens. So if the reverse is the case the Muslims/Arabs should not complain. The Saudi have driven out almost all the Christians and Jews from their country. He who seek equity comes with clean hands.

tell them but they wont hear.

ypeace:
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Qur'an 2 vs 120
Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee UNLESS THOU FOLLOW THEIR FORM OF RELIGION. Say: 'THE GUIDANCE OF ALLAH, THAT IS THE (ONLY) GUIDANCE. 'wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither protector nor helper against Allah.
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Qur'an 9 vs 67
The Hypocrites, men and women (have an understanding) with each other. THEY ENJOIN THE WRONG, AND THEY FORBID THE RIGHT, AND THEY WITHHOLD THEIR HANDS. They have forgotten Allah; so he hath forgotten them. VERILY THE HYPOCRITES ARE REBELLIOUS AND PERVERSE.
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May Allah protect us from people whose aim is to sow discourse among we Muslims. May He forgive us our sins and increase us in eeman.

muslims have been killing each other for ages without my help

Seun:
You may recognize some of the techniques demonstrated by former evangelist Marjoe Gortner in this excerpt from his 1972 documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-NwKD9laZw

i came axross that documentary just recently. very sad and powerful at the sametime..

the sad part was some christians falling down when he touched them.. same thing going on in nigerian churches.. his parents were also scammers and taught him how to preach/act. at least his conscience finally got to him..i wonder when it will get to fake nigerian pastors

edit: the documentary should be seen by all christians so they are better informed about false pastors and tithe collectors. christians must be smart and not foolish.

Ranchhoddas:
Why do you hate Islam so much?...If you don't mind my asking.

because its a ridiculous misogynistic violent disgusting cult/ pseudo-religion

skywolf28:
Pls does anyone knows how to remove the Islamic pledge

I believe there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet

From my profile

I was strolling through their thread and wanted to comment on a post and I was directed to click on it if I want to comment

Pls help me out of this mess i got myself into

The pledge or whatever means nothing..

mohammed was a terrorist and you know it no matter how they forcefully try to associate u with islam... in your signature where u have written -proudly nigerian - you can change to proudly anti-islam, or proud christian or what ever your religious affiliation is.. problem solved until the pledge disappears which it does..

analice107:
Imaooo. Demmzy15 referred to himself as "The Most Honest Muslim on Nairaland". Wonderful this guy.
Shouldn't he allow someone bestow him that accolade?
What Alisina said about muslims is true. Their definition of terms is according to Islam not according to the dictionary. A man who lies to cover the evils of Islam is actually honest to the muslims. A thief In Islam is an honorable man because their Mohammed did the same thing and called it saintly.

Thats why i was laffing..
Demmzy15 is either a bad lair or he actually believes the crap he wrote hence meaning he is incredibly stupid. . I should start ignoring him like I do to the exceptionally dumb muslims on nairaland..

at least the islamist was shameless enough to admit that muslims are commanded to kill those that insult mohammed.

that is enough for any sane person living in the 21st century to be disgusted by islam

mohammed was a disgusting pig. he raped people, was a glutton and deserved his horrid end by posion

Demmzy15:
It's a known and established fact that, Israel are one of the highest killers of civilians especially women and children. That's the solution you're talking about!



No wonder they roam about with guns, that's the definition of democracy right?
https://jewishjournal.com/images/made/e52c9891b2873d62/Israelis_with_rifles_539_332_c1.jpg



That statement is wrong, it's should be "Historically, Palestine has been shared by all people, Arabs, blacks, Samaritans, Jews, Kurds, Greek. all under the islamic state" I state this because, Jews were never considered humans under Christian states, they felt safe under the rule of Muslims.



Are being serious? The atheist Zionists looked for places for settlement, they in fact considered Madagascar and Uganda(Rhodesia), what right do you have to hand over my land to someone else? Don't you have sense, would accept this if it's done to you?



Here again you go about lying, even if the Palestinians don't want a state or to rule over themselves, you have no right, I mean absolute no right to give another's man home to an invader. Just imagine Arabs coming someday claiming the whole South East was their ancestral and they need to return to it, in which they started killing Yeebhoes, how would you feel?



You're super dull, how can you come to my land and tell me I should split it into two? Is that reasonable at all, yet you criticize the fulani herdsmen who want a share of your land to feed their cows, but praise Israel. You guys are first class hypocrites!



Right from the creation of Israel, America has been it's number one supporter. Check my previous reply to proudkafir and Anas09 on this!



Another desperate attempt, Jews have always been in arabia since the time of Prophet Muhammad, even after they're still there. They'll still be present there in the future!



And you claim you respect the person you're talking too as a the most honest Muslim on Nairaland, yet you refer to his God in a derogatory manner, you never cease to amaze me. You're the most ignorant, at first you cursed Allaah because you never knew your arab brethren called god that but when the truth has been shown you resort to "islamic allahh", sha continue with your rubbish!



Then you're a terrorist who's worst than ISIS, Boko-are-rams, As-Shabab, etc. It's not only the Arab world that calls it an occupation but the non-Muslims worlds. In fact some of your Christian brethren even killed those that supported Israel, remember I told you that! If those Christians can get hold of you, you'll be eliminated!



But the man who whooped the ass of Christians during the crusades was a kurdish Muslim. You seriously need to research more about them!



Alhamdulillah, Turkey is returning back to its glorious islamic past!

i busted out laughing reading this..

2 islamists who lived wicked lives, stole from their fellow citizens and terrorized people.
nothing to see here..

Rilwayne001:
[b] but the population of Muslims is far above that of Christians in Israel?

What does that have to do with the OP..

Demmzy15:
From the rubbish you've up^^^, does that change the fact Bethlehem and Nazareth are now Muslim majority cities with Mosques left and right?! Continue deluding yourself!

That goes to show how tolerant israel is and the more reason i and billions of others support them and visit for pilgrimage and tourism. . Show me any jewish majority state or city or street in the Arab world.

usermane:
Hi Ifeann. Been a long time. Hope u r good.

I would have agreed with your article given that I share your disdain for Shariah rule that will be instituted if traditional Muslims take over Isreal, converting it to another theocratic state like Iran or Pseudo democracy like Pakistan. However, we can't forget or deny that modern Israel is sheer occupation of Palestine. From the mass immigration of European Jews to Palestine in 1930/40s till the declaration of the state of Israel in 1948, nothing was legit. I can't drive you from your home because my religious text claims your home is my birthright. It just make no sense in the real world.

Hence, let Palestinians have their land and if they institute medieval, backward or inhumane laws, so be it.

Want to see a democracy in Middle East? Support Kurdistan and the Kurds. Kurdistan is currently occupied by Syria, Iraq, Iran and Turkey. The Kurds are at least moderate and logical enough in their religious life to build a secular democracy.

Hey usermane.. how are you. . Been ages.

I support israel totally and unilaterally. They are the solution to the spread of the disease in the middle east. They are a tolerant, progressive and modern society that supports human right..
do they have racists there ?;well yes, so does germany, usa, nigeria etc.. do they behead people in broad daylight for stating facts about any religion, no they dont. Its the muslims prerogative. They are light years ahead of any islamic state even many secular democracys.

Historically israel has been shared by the jews, Palestinians, samerians, and several minor arab tribes.. however the arab muslim has managed to decimate the jewish population in all of the middleeast including their traditionally accepted homeland.

After the Holocaust it became clear that if the jews were to survive they needed a homeland and palestine was handed to them since the Palestinians failed to form anything resembling a functioning government after the fall of the ottomans. . Even the jews and UN begged the Palestinians for a two state solution for decades after the 1940s. They refused..they promised to fill the sea with jewish blood.. the arab league of nations waged wars on Israel and yet they remained victorious without American help for years.

Today the muslims are still trying to keep their promise of killing the jews since their presence in the middleeast contradicts the promise of their prophet who claimed the jews will all be driven out of arabia.

I guess islamic allah has been asleep all these decades as israel prospered and islamic state after islamic state crumbled..

My friend i utterly and completely support jewish presence in israel be it occupation or what ever propaganda the arab world states.

By the way i have researched about the kurds and feel enormous pity for them. They are far more progressive that the average islamic state.

I have even said it before on nairaland that i support their cause. But ultimately they will become another intolerant islamic state.. take turkey for example. After the fall of the ottomans their new leader called for seculariam and friendship with the west.. now look at turkey, edrogen has destoryed its secularist principles and attacked press freedom.. its becoming more islamic everyday..

That said, i still support the Kurds. The average middle east sunni hates them, thats more than enough reason for me to like them..

Before i post a short article on the reasons, here are a few points to note;

1. ISRAEL is the only country in the middle east where the christian population is NOT goin extinct. .


2. Virtually all islamic countries persecute christians in one way or the other eg..Malaysia burns christian bibles on a regular basis, banned arab christians from using the arabic name for God. closes down churches,

iran, saudi, Pakistan, afgan etc have christians regularly imprisoned or murdered for preaching to muslims or gathering for prayers without permission etc

3. The world does not need another bigot islamic country.

4. The hamas Palestinians love so much are NO different from ISIS except that they have far less weapons and are put in check by israeli military. .


5. Islamic countries force christians to pay the exorbitant Jizyah tax as a way to shame them and frustrate them to convert to islam. .Palestine will do the same..

6. Israel has contributed more to theology, sciences, art and humanity in general than all the islamic countries combined. .


7. Islamic countries kill atheists. Palestine will do the same.

8. Mohammed swore that jews will be driven out of all muslim lands, muslims claim that israel is on muslim land hence israel remaining in middle east ensures mohammed failed.

9. Israeli Government ensures Christian visit holy sites and are protected when they visit israel despite terrorism activities by Palestinians

10. Israelites/ jews have only one homeland which is israel..a tiny desert land they have built up for decades while muslims are everywhere producing refugees for the west to feed..




Now the article. .biblically based.

Everything Christians do should be based upon the Biblical text.

Here are solid Bible reasons why Christians should support Israel.

Genesis 12:3 "And I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curseth thee; and in thee shall all nations of the earth be blessed." Point: God has promised to bless the man or nation that blesses the Chosen People. History has proven beyond reasonable doubt that the nations that have blessed the Jewish people have had the blessing of God; the nations that have cursed the Jewish people have experienced the curse of God.

St. Paul recorded in Romans 15:27 "For if the Gentiles have shared in their (the Jews) spiritual things, they are indebted to minister to them also in material things."
Christians owe a debt of eternal gratitude to the Jewish people for their contributions that gave birth to the Christian faith. Jesus Christ, a prominent Rabbi from Nazareth said, "Salvation is of the Jews!" (St. John 4:22) consider what the Jewish people have given to Christianity:
The Sacred Scripture
The Prophets
The Patriarchs
Mary, Joseph, and Jesus Christ of Nazareth
The Twelve Disciples
The Apostles

It is not possible to say, "I am a Christian" and not love the Jewish people. The Bible teaches that love is not what you say, but what you do. (1 John 3:18) "A bell is not a bell until you ring it, a song is not a song until you sing it, love is not love until you share it."
While some Christians try to deny the connection between Jesus of Nazareth and the Jews of the world, Jesus never denied his Jewishness. He was born Jewish, He was circumcised on the eighth day in keeping with Jewish tradition, He had his Bar Mitzvah on his 13th birthday, He kept the law of Moses, He wore the Prayer Shawl Moses commanded all Jewish men to wear, He died on a cross with an inscription over His head, "King of the Jews!

Jesus considered the Jewish people His family. Jesus said (Matthew 25:40) "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren (the Jewish people… Gentiles were never called His brethren), ye have done it unto me.
"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem, they shall prosper that love thee." (Psalm 122:6) the scriptural principle of prosperity is tied to blessing Israel and the city of Jerusalem.

Why did Jesus Christ go to the house of Cornelius in Capernaum and heal his servant, which was ready to die? What logic did the Jewish elders use with Jesus to convince Him to come into the house of a Gentile and perform a miracle?

The logic they used is recorded in Luke 7:5; "For He loveth our nation, and He hath built us a synagogue." The message? This Gentile deserves the blessing of God because he loves our nation and has done something practical to bless the Jewish people.
Why did God the Father select the house of Cornelius in Caesarea (Acts Chapter 10) to be the first Gentile house in Israel to receive the Gospel? The answer is given repeatedly in Acts 10.
Acts 10:2 "a devout man, (Cornelius) and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God always." Who were the people to whom Cornelius gave these alms? They were the Jews
Again is Acts 10:4 "… thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God."
Again in Acts 10:31 "… and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God."


The point is made three times in the same chapter. A godly Gentile who expressed his unconditional love for the Jewish people in a practical manner was divinely selected by heaven to be the first Gentile house to receive the Gospel and the first to receive the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

These combined Scriptures verify that PROSPERITY (Genesis 12:3 and Psalm 122:6), HEALING (Luke 7:1-5) and the OUTPOURING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT came first to Gentiles that blessed the Jewish people and the nation of Israel in a practical manner.


We support Israel because all other nations were created by an act of men, but Israel was created by an act of God..

The Royal Land Grant that was given to Abraham and his seed through Isaac and Jacob with an everlasting and unconditional covenant. (Genesis 12:1-3, 13:14-18, 15:1-21, 17:4-8, 22:15-18, 26:1-5 and Psalm 89:28-37.)

true2god:
Mohammed ali became a muslim in anger against the white oppression against the black during the civil right movement in the 1960s. He became a muslim, not to practice islam per se, but as a defiance against the white christians. He leaned toward malcolm x and his 'nation of islam' group which muslims consider as heretics because they do not understand arabic and conduct some their services with the bible.

Mohammed ali would not have become great if he had been a saudi or iran boxer. Islam forbids boxing as a profession but side with mohammed ali since he is a useful idiot in promoting islamic propaganda.

Nicely written. Most muslims conveniently avoid the details of his conversion which u have clearly explained. He even left the nation of islam, became sunni then left sunni for sufism (the anti-thesis of sunni islam).. sufists are very tolerant, they drink, dance and accept other religions especially those with mystical practices. it says a lot about how uncomfortable he was with mainstream islam..

Empiree:
Your comment is rather preposterous. Grow up and get a life....REAL LIFE

Let's just say you are jealous because Muhammad Ali was a great boxer, a boxing legend and the biggest of all, he was a muslim. I am proud of him. May his blessed soul receive Allah's Mercy.

what a hypocrite you are. he is a good Muslim now right? when u sunni muslims have persecuted his group for centuries.

hakimmiyya:
You should know that she is a nonentity on the social media.
Her brain is full of stinking garbage.

i can see why you are angry muhammadian. Go blow yourself up if it helps

ShiaMuslim:
@OP

Sufi is not a "Muslim sect". it is a movement, a tradition and mystical practices that Muslims, who are both Sunni and Shia, can identify with.

being a Sufi does not stop one from still identifying as a Sunni, or a Shia; however majority of Shia and Sunni Muslims do not follow Sufi traditions.

as for Muhammad Ali, he is most likely Sufi Sunni. but he was loved and still is loved by all Muslims, Sunnis and Shia. he visited Iran, the holy city of Karbala in Iraq, and holy Najaf. he did not discriminate along sectarian lines. the two branches/interpretations that Muslims fall into is Sunni and Shia. even the Ahmadiyyah who can today be considered a sect evolved from Sunni Islam.

the majority of Nigerian Sunni Muslims (as is the case in west Africa) are of Sufi Sunni leanings. this was the norm until Saudi started sponsoring scholars, giving scholarships, funding schools and mosques; then things started changing and Sunni Muslims started leaning towards Salafist/Wahhabi Sunnism. in the Sunni world, the Sufi Sunnis and the Salafist/Wahhabi Sunnis are two extremes of Sunni Islam. you see the majority of Sunnis are peaceful and tolerant because they are not Salafist/Wahhabi. they are either mainstream Sunnis or leaning towards Sufism. recently there was a very big Sufi event in Katsina celebrating the birthday of Sheikh Inyas. Sufi Sunnis are also very tolerant of Shia Muslims because even Sufi Sunnis honor the 12 holy Imams from the Prophet Muhammad's (s) Household whom the Shia regard as the righteous caliphs/successors of the Prophet (s). the Sufi Sunnis consider them as "awliyah" or Islamic saints. the Shia movement in Nigeria spread easily and there are millions of Shia through Sufi Sunnis who found it convenient to change.

mr muslim the point of my post is not to discuss on the nature of sufism or argue if it is a sect or not. you can categorize sufi sunnis and sufi shia anyway you like. however i appreciate the effort you put at elaborating on it..

my point though is that the dominant or rather mainstream muslim is a sunni with strong undertones of wahabism and/or salafist idealogy, these same muslims are posting on social media how a great sunni muslim muhammad ali was when in fact his group/sect/subsect of islam, sufism has been a persecuted minority in the islamic world, persecuted by both sunnis and shias.

As a shia, am sure u understand what persecution is. i dont know why you muslims are allowing the wahabis win. you as a shia should be appalled by the attempts of sunni muslims to propagate the idea that muhammad ali was a sunni when in fact he left sunni islam in 11 years ago for the peaceful sufis.

You shias have one big problem and i bring this up because you are a shia (if your username is to be believed) and since it ties to the theme of this thread, as a persecuted minority. the big problem is that you shias leave the sunnis to drive the narrative, revise history and always come up at an advantage over all other muslim groups especially the peaceful ones. that has to change.

proudkafir:
He is a Muslim, even if he is an ahmadiya Muslim, as long it serves Islamic propaganda very well.

muslim propaganda machine is second to none. i saw a muslim trying to use mohammed ali to draw people to sunni islam, just ridiculous.

Demmzy15:
Of course I know that, he was jailed for the crime and in that course he embraced Islam.

yes, mike, a Muslim who supports Donald trump. Even though he has been of good behavior since he younger days,he seems to not take islam seriously. He drinks, shuns polygamy as far as i know.. by the way islam has done a great job of recruiting criminals in the prison population of europe and america who later commit terrorism.

That was when he was still in the nation of Islam, when he became a Sunni Muslim he abandoned all that.

if he lived long enough he would have left sunni Islam mohammed ali did

They're not Ahl Sunnah aka Sunni but Khawarij. Have you heard about them? I guess not!

osama bin laden was an adherent sunni muslim whose father reconstructed the grand mosque and kabba in mecca. You deny him now.. al taqqiyya as usual.

muhamadnur:
"lady" islam (1) muslims are different he is a SUFI MUSLIM, one of the must peacefull sect, what did he say after defeatin "sony liston" i believe in ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER. i believe in the oneness of allah and muhammad is his messenger and him too, and please go stop the an imam from leading his funeral.
the last time i checked is way bck in the 60s from cassius clay to MUHAMMAD ALI when he discorved the truth and came to light, how i wish you too will #nairalanderS all illit.....

Mohammed ali was a brilliant man and legendary fighter. The pseudo-christians of white America drove him to lose his faith in Christianity. . I mean who wouldn't? With the level of racisim that was perpetuated by whitemen including so called Christians and secularists alike of america in the 1900s.

The young mohammed ali then Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr found inspiration in the person of malcom x a popular Nation of islam member who introduced him to islam.
In 1962, Clay met Malcolm X, who soon became his spiritual mentor and political influence, and by the time of the first Liston fight NOI members, including Malcolm X, were visible in his entourage. In 1964 he converted to islam.
Ali later announced: "Cassius Clay is my slave name."

A quote by Ali shows his mindset at the time and his effort to draw a difference between him and white america (as many blacks tried to do at the time)
"I am America. I am the part you won't recognize. But get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me."

Malcom x was a very controversial figure who initially advocated violent opposition to the whiteman.. with as much flaws malcom x had, he was also a brave and inspirational figure.
Ali's friendship with Malcolm X ended as Malcolm split with the NOI a couple of weeks after Ali joined.


Ali would later say that turning his back on Malcolm was one of the mistakes he regretted most in his life. Malcom x was assassinated not long after as was Martin Luther king a noted black Christian civil rights leader. The white racist american did not differentiate between muslim or christian black man.. Black was black.

Ali converted to Sunni Islam in 1975, and then embraced the teachings of Sufism in 2005. Even Ali could not stand the intolerant doctrine of sunni islam.

Sufism or Tasawwuf, is defined as the inner mystical dimension of Islam. Sulfist are very moderate muslims and are even considered heretics / kaffirs by sunni muslims..They drink, they consider all religions to have some truths, they accommodate even african local beliefs and customs which tend toward the mystical and they dance as a form of worship..

The sunnis have murdered sufis for centuries


Sufis have had to deal with the destruction of their shrines and mosques, suppression orders, and discrimination against sufi adherents in a number of sunni Muslim countries where most Sufis live.

The Turkish Republican state banned all the different Sufi orders and closed their institutions in 1925 after Sufis opposed the new secular order.

The Iranian Islamic Republic has harassed Shia Sufi, reportedly for their lack of support for the government doctrine of "governance of the jurist" (i.e., that the supreme Shiite jurist should be the nation's political leader).

In most other Muslim countries especially sunni muslim countries, attacks on Sufis and especially their shrines and mosques have come with excuses such as the believe that practices like tge celebration of the birthdays of Sufi saints, and dhikr ("remembrance" of God) ceremonies are bid‘ah or impure innovation, and polytheistic (Shirk)..

Mohammed ali's sect was a small tolerant group that are truly very different from the intolerant bigot orthodox sunni majority but this has not stopped sunni muslims from trying to claim him

DesChyko:
I had to. Most violence come from the North.

Northern muslims are most like arab muslims because they mixed over the centuries. Arab muslims bought negro slaves and procreated with them.. especially the fulanis.. slaves were forced to accept islam. Northern muslims are most like arabs because their culture was eroded by islam unlike the yorubas..

Mohammed ali was a brilliant man and legendary fighter. The pseudo-christians of white America drove him to lose his faith in Christianity. . I mean who wouldn't? With the level of racisim that was perpetuated by whitemen including so called Christians and secularists alike of america in the 1900s.

The young mohammed ali then Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr found inspiration in the person of malcom x a popular Nation of islam member who introduced him to islam.
In 1962, Clay met Malcolm X, who soon became his spiritual mentor and political influence, and by the time of the first Liston fight NOI members, including Malcolm X, were visible in his entourage. In 1964 he converted to islam.
Ali later announced: "Cassius Clay is my slave name."

A quote by Ali shows his mindset at the time and his effort to draw a difference between him and white america (as many blacks tried to do at the time)
"I am America. I am the part you won't recognize. But get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me."

Malcom x was a very controversial figure who initially advocated violent opposition to the whiteman.. with as much flaws malcom x had, he was also a brave and inspirational figure.
Ali's friendship with Malcolm X ended as Malcolm split with the NOI a couple of weeks after Ali joined.


Ali would later say that turning his back on Malcolm was one of the mistakes he regretted most in his life. Malcom x was assassinated not long after as was Martin Luther king a noted black Christian civil rights leader. The white racist american did not differentiate between muslim or christian black man.. Black was black.

Ali converted to Sunni Islam in 1975, and then embraced the teachings of Sufism in 2005. Even Ali could not stand the intolerant doctrine of sunni islam.

Sufism or Tasawwuf, is defined as the inner mystical dimension of Islam. Sulfist are very moderate muslims and are even considered heretics / kaffirs by sunni muslims..They drink, they consider all religions to have some truths, they accommodate even african local beliefs and customs which tend toward the mystical and they dance as a form of worship..

The sunnis have murdered sufis for centuries


Sufis have had to deal with the destruction of their shrines and mosques, suppression orders, and discrimination against sufi adherents in a number of sunni Muslim countries where most Sufis live.

The Turkish Republican state banned all the different Sufi orders and closed their institutions in 1925 after Sufis opposed the new secular order.

The Iranian Islamic Republic has harassed Shia Sufi, reportedly for their lack of support for the government doctrine of "governance of the jurist" (i.e., that the supreme Shiite jurist should be the nation's political leader).

In most other Muslim countries especially sunni muslim countries, attacks on Sufis and especially their shrines and mosques have come with excuses such as the believe that practices like tge celebration of the birthdays of Sufi saints, and dhikr ("remembrance" of God) ceremonies are bid‘ah or impure innovation, and polytheistic (Shirk)..

Mohammed ali's sect was a small tolerant group that are truly very different from the intolerant bigot orthodox sunni majority but this has not stopped sunni muslims from trying to claim him



Ifeann..

Demmzy15:
Custard brain, he was a follower of Malcom X. So he and Malcolm X first joined NOI, then they later embraced Sunni Islam! This hate would consume you, I must tell you. Lemme tell you this in case you didn't know, Mike Tyson is also a Muslim!

So?? Since when did mike tyson become a good role model he bit a man's ear off as well as raped a woman... very Islamic behaviour. .

Malcom x adovated for violence against whites.. very islamic.

Osama bin laden was also a sunni muslim, so are isis. Its nothing to be proud of

Mohammed ali was a brilliant man and legendary fighter. The pseudo-christians of white America drove him to lose his faith in Christianity. . I mean who wouldn't? With the level of racisim that was perpetuated by whitemen including so called Christians and secularists alike of america in the 1900s.

The young mohammed ali then Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr found inspiration in the person of malcom x a popular Nation of islam member who introduced him to islam.
In 1962, Clay met Malcolm X, who soon became his spiritual mentor and political influence, and by the time of the first Liston fight NOI members, including Malcolm X, were visible in his entourage. In 1964 he converted to islam.
Ali later announced: "Cassius Clay is my slave name."

A quote by Ali shows his mindset at the time and his effort to draw a difference between him and white america (as many blacks tried to do at the time)
"I am America. I am the part you won't recognize. But get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me."
Malcom x was a very controversial figure who initially advocated violent opposition to the whiteman.. with as much flaws malcom x had, he was also a brave and inspirational figure.
Ali's friendship with Malcolm X ended as Malcolm split with the NOI a couple of weeks after Ali joined.
Ali would later say that turning his back on Malcolm was one of the mistakes he regretted most in his life. Malcom x was assassinated not long after as was Martin Luther king a noted black Christian civil rights leader. The white racist american did not differentiate between muslim or christian black man.. Black was black.

Ali converted to Sunni Islam in 1975, and then embraced the teachings of Sufism in 2005. Even Ali could not stand the intolerant doctrine of sunni islam.
Sufism or Tasawwuf, is defined as the inner mystical dimension of Islam. Sulfist are very moderate muslims and are even considered heretics / kaffirs by sunni muslims..They drink, they consider all religions to have some truths, they accommodate even african local beliefs and customs which tend toward the mystical and they dance as a form of worship..

The sunnis have murdered them for centuries. Sufis have had to deal with the destruction of their shrines and mosques, suppression orders, and discrimination against sufi adherents in a number of sunni Muslim countries where most Sufis live.
The Turkish Republican state banned all the different Sufi orders and closed their institutions in 1925 after Sufis opposed the new secular order.
The Iranian Islamic Republic has harassed Shia Sufi, reportedly for their lack of support for the government doctrine of "governance of the jurist" (i.e., that the supreme Shiite jurist should be the nation's political leader).
In most other Muslim countries especially sunni muslim countries, attacks on Sufis and especially their shrines and mosques have come with excuses such as the believe that practices like tge celebration of the birthdays of Sufi saints, and dhikr ("remembrance" of God) ceremonies are bid‘ah or impure innovation, and polytheistic (Shirk)..


Mohammed ali's Islamic sect was a small tolerant group that are truly very different from the intolerant bigot orthodox sunni majority but this has not stopped sunni muslims from trying to claim him..

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malvisguy212:
weldon. Long time.

hello buddy, wishing u and annunaki2 a peaceful sunday

muhamadnur:
Muhammad Ali, a three-
time heavyweight
boxing champion who
transcended sports with
his outspoken stances on
religious, political, and social issues, died on
Friday at a Phoenix-area
hospital where he was
receiving treatment for
respiratory problems. He
was 74. You'll forever remain the GREATEST OF ALL TIME. may allah reward you with jannatul firdaus. How i wish some nairalander,s really know what islam is. No offence. ALLAHU AKBAR.

u dumb muslim...do u know he was a member of the NOI a satire of islam..a muslim sect u islamists insult , now u are trying to claim him

DesChyko:
I don't think it's all Islamic followers that believe such. I had this conversation with a Muslim cleric four days ago and with bitterness, he let me understand how some brethrens misinterprete the Quran, forgetting the difference between that time and now. He gave a lot of instances, including these killings, stating clearly that Muhammed is a messenger of peace, hence any defaulter is not following his teaching. He's a Yoruba muslim though.

yorubas in general are very peace loving..a yoruba muslim understands the quran very differently from a northern muslim

How can any sensible person remain unmoved when he or she finds the Quran saying: “strike off the heads of the unbelievers” then after a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” (Q. 47:4 ).


A "deity" that claims it is the best of deceivers.

—And they (the unbelievers) planned to deceive, and Allah planned to deceive (the unbelievers), and Allah is the best of deceivers.
Qur'an 3:54
—Are they then safe from Allah's deception? No one feels safe from Allah's deception except those that shall perish.
Qur'an 7:99
—And (remember) when the unbelievers plotted deception against you (O Muhammad), to imprison you, or kill you, or expel you. They plotted deception, but Allah also plotted deception; and Allah is the best of deceivers.
Qur'an 8:30


what examples did Mohammed set; lets see-

Muhammad had said to his followers “Whoever curses a
prophet kill him,” (Tabarani, Daraqutni) and there are
many examples of people during his time who were guilty of
blaspheming Islam and its Prophet. Most of these people were
assassinated with Muhammad's blessing, and no punishment
or compensation was imposed on the murderer.

other Examples of those who died because they criticized muhammad;
'Abdullah bin Ubai (bin Salul) - Muhammad asked his
followers to kill this man for making "evil" statements
about Muhammad's family.

Abu `Afak - Muhammad asked his followers to kill this
man for making negative remarks about Muhammad and
Islam.

Ka’b bin Ashraf - Muhammad asked his followers to kill
this man for writing inflammatory poetry about
Muhammad and Muslim women.
Asma Bint Marwan - Muhammad asked his followers to kill
this woman for composing inflammatory poetry about Islam
and Muslims.

Blind Man's Slave-Mother - When Muhammad learned that
one of his followers had stabbed and killed his slave (other
sources refer to her as a freed concubine: Umm walad ) for
making derogatory remarks about Muhammad, he declared
that " no retaliation is payable for her blood. "

Qur’an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which

hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from

among the
People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.



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The only crime the Christian southern Nigerian woman committed was asking the Muslims not to

wash their body in front of her store.
The cowards replied by accusing her of blasphemy , lynching and then beheading her.
For how long will this continue?

Believing Muslims are a disease in any sane society.

The Quran supports this type of behavior

Quran 2:216
"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is

good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not"


The mindset of a muslim is aggressive; it’s always US versus THEM

The Quran tells Muslims to:
- kill unbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191 )
- murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123 ),
- fight them, (Q. 8:65 ), until no other
religion than Islam is left (Q. 2:193 )
- humiliate them and impose on them a
penalty tax if they are Christians or Jews,
(Q. 9:29 )
- slay them if they are Pagans (Q. 9:5 ),
crucify, or cut off their hands and feet,
- expel them from the land in disgrace.
And as if this were not enough, “they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter” (Q. 5:34),
- not befriend their own fathers or brothers if they are not believers (Q. 9:23 ), (Q. 3:28 ),
- kill their own family in the battles of Badr and Uhud and asks Muslims to “strive against the

unbelievers with great endeavor” (Q. 25:52 ),
- be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66:9 ).



Let’s get this straight, these Muslims killed a woman because of the examples set by a dead pedophile who;

advocated for sex slavery Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Allah even permitted Muhammad and his men to have sex with married slaves, such as those captured in battle.

spent his days killing Christians, Jews, pagans, raiding caravans

Had sex with a baby aisha, when he already had several wives and sex slaves in his harem (Sahih al-Bukhari 5158—Narrated Urwa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Beheaded 900 Jews in one day,

approved of the assassination of people who criticized him,

approved of domestic violence against women, taught polygamy (Christians call it legalized adultery),

taught nikah mutah aka temporary marriage (today it is known as prostitution)

taught women are half as intelligent than men yet it was a woman(his first wife) that convinced him he was a prophet,

thought he was demon possessed and recited a ton of evil,

promoted slavery and even approved of breeding and sex with slaves ,

encouraged the rape of married war captives, (sahih muslim 8:29: “it is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is purified (of menses or delivery) in case she has a husband, her marriage is abrogated after she becomes captive.”)

lusted, married and slept with his son's ex wife after he divorced her because of him(Muhammad ),


NOW DO YOU SEE WHY THESE MUSLIMS KILLED THIS WOMAN, WHEN YOU TAKE A FRAUD SERIOUSLY YOU END UP DOING CRAZY THINGS.


Muhammad was a fraud who plagiarized the parts of the scripture and drew certain teachings from Catholic doctrines which he blended several apocryphal books amongst which are;
1. the Infancy gospel of Thomas : this is where muhammed got his stories about the childhood of "isa"
2. the life of Adam and eve: this is where he got the alternate creation story.
3. the gospel of James/the protovangelion of James: the purported biography of Mary which Muhammad plagiarized.
4. the Gnostic apocalypse of peter: the alleged body double crucifixion which muslims love to appeal to, also plagiarized by muhammed.
Caveat: These books were fallacious and dubious books which were produced centuries after the events of the new testament and where relatively popular during Muhammad 's time. The church rejected them 2 centuries before, warning Christians that the books were ungenuine but muhammed embraced them.

However it was read amongst some Christian sects especially the gnostics. Muhammad embraced the books and plagiarized them to form the Quran even the gospel of James/the protovangelion of James(the purported biography of Mary) formed a significant portion of the quran.

Those who knew he was a fraud were quick to accuse him
"This is nothing but a lie which he has forged, and other have helped him do it...Tales of the ancients (fairy tales), which he has caused to be written; and they are dictated before him morning and evening."
(Surah 25:4-5)"
Muhammad "copy and paste" was legendary.
muhammed mixed so much of these books up that he was accused of being mad(as recorded in the quran).

Surah 15, verse 6:
*{And they [the Arab pagans] say, ‘O you to whom the Reminder has been revealed! You are most surely insane!’

I leave Christians with this verse;
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Ephesians 6:12