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Sanchez01:
Yeah, I have and that moment was like none other. It was on a Sunday morning and we ( a section of the choir) had gone out for follow-up. This is a traditional everyone is used to in my church.

That morning, we went out to visit a 'guy' and we found one of his friends with him that morning. While we persuaded him to make it to service that morning, the friend's attitude was quite worrisome as he wanted to make sure his friend stays at home with him. Wheb I noticed this, I turned to face him and asked him if he would love to join his friend to experiencing what a family church looks llike. He turned it down quickly without any excuse. It was at this point that I became interested in him, not knowing he was a Muslim.

Within minutes, we started off discussing and he told me he is a Muslim and his father is a very popular Alhaji on the street. He claimed he had 'disgraced' several Christians who tend to prove to him why Christianity is 'better' by asking them certain questions. He said he would ask me same and he would make up his mind almost immediately.

His first question was;

1. Who gave birth to God?: It was indeed a funny one and I calmly told him God is the Father, Creator and Friend of all. He had long existed before the Creation. The Bible first pointed to Him during Creation. To make him confirm this, I gave him one of my phones with a Bible software and I asked him to open to certain places on the electronic Bible while other members of my team watched us.

2. Who is Jesus to God?: Was his second question question and my resppnse was quick. I told him He is the No 2 in the Trinity. I also told him he also known as The Son, not because he is indeed given birth to but because The Father made Him so. So I showed instances of where Jesus described Himself as "The Son" and places where God called Him Son as well. I was also quick to point out that "The Holy Spirit" is the third.

Why I responded in this manner is simple; most believers of Islam have a cause-and-effect pattern of asking the question above and if one is not wise enough, you could find yourself in a corner. If I had just said "He is the Son of God" his next question would be "who is the mother" and it would have sounded unconvincing to explain that at a later time.

3. He looked mystified at my response and asked what the functions of the three are: I knew the discussion was causing a stir in him already and I asked him if he studied Government in Secondary school to which he replied "yes". In other to simplify the discusiion, I told him the three are like our arms of Govt; The Executive, The Legislative and The Judiciary.

The Legislature (God), elected (or chosen) by the people, and is responsible for forming new laws (give commandments in our case).

The Executive (The Holy Spirit), the government itself, responsible for the day to day running of activities. My citation here was Gen 1:1-10. God forms the law, the Holy Spirit acts them out

The Judiciary (Christ), the courts, responsible for carrying out justice and punitive actions.
I was able to take him to I John 2:1 to make him see that Christ is our advocate; one who works tirelessly for our defense.

He kept mute for a while and I gave him time because I knew the "Executive" was taking charge of the conviction. After about 3 minutes, he said he would worship with us! But that he would only hide since he is still a bit younger and is living with his father. I saw him afterwards in church and the Pastor's message that Sunday sealed everything in him. He told me he always believed in Jesus but could not tell if we worship Jesus or God. I helped him grow for about two months and he later went to live with his mum somewhere far away. According to him, he could not bear to live in the same house with his father because he has many wives and does not bother to about the children's well being.

He left afterwards to live with his mum whom he claimed was a Christian turned Muslim by the father.

Beautifully written
I particularly like ur analogy

The Legislature (God), elected (or chosen) by the people, and is responsible for forming new laws (give commandments in our case).
The Executive (The Holy Spirit), the government itself, responsible for the day to day running of activities. My citation here was Gen 1:1-10. God forms the law, the Holy Spirit acts them out
The Judiciary (Christ), the courts, responsible for carrying out justice and punitive actions.
I was able to take him to I John 2:1 to make him see that Christ is our advocate; one who works tirelessly for our defense.

I invite EzioAuditore abduljabbar4 mukina2 ummsulaym BetaThings ameenahz Rilwayne001 profdombledor AlBaqir 9jaforlife Abuamam Zeinymira tola9ja ThelightOfIslam tbaba1234 Wizeboy dragnet tiarabubu khairate Sissie Sweetnecta lanrexlan vedaxcool sino smoy Muliks Concept roypcain Empiree eshbeewanna yazach ayinba1 ypeace etc to read this.

safas20:
reply needed*

Dancing, drawing of images(art), drama, singing nonislamic songs, being happy(unislamically eg watching epl, western movies) and laughing are not enouraged in most hardline Islamic countries.

Besides Muslims don't laugh. JK.

OREMUSSANCTUS:
Its bin a while bro?
Hope all is well and hope ya re safe?
Miss ya article and ya objective criticism
Ifeann pls do u ve any idea if d guy is safe?

No idea. I miss him tho.
The only muslim on nairaland that shows evidence that he indeed has a brain.

Where are u usermane.

Abuamam:
Look at the way you think. She made assertions. Instead of asking her for proof, you ask Muslims to disprove her assertions; with 'evidence'. It shows how objective you really are and that your initial statement that you 'really want to know' is just a decoy to bamboozle Muslims into responding to your post.

Well, it is not the first time that we have been decieved by xtian taqiyyah, due to our overly trusting nature, and probably not the last.

Abuaman al taqiyya is an islamic concept. Only muslims use lies and deciet to propagate their reiigion. And by the way there is no such thing as xtians. We are called CHRISTIANS and we are not permitted to lie to even defend ourselves.

WhoBeThisMan please read my past topics, several have been deleted by muslim moderatorz. They contain hundreds of verses from the quran and other respected islamic books proving all the points I made about mohammed.
Notice the muslim didn't object to what I said.

Abuamam:
That I have the freedom to insult your father in public, does not mean I should. Pamela Geller and her likes are not trying to uphold free speech. They are actively creating enmity between Muslims and non-Muslims. No one is disputing her right to draw abusive cartoons, but does that mean she should? I think free speech that is harmful to society and disrespectful, even to one individual; not to talk of billions; should not be supported. There are things like 'manners', 'values' and 'mutual respect' between different groups. Where you feel that you have the right to disrespect an individual, to the point that you incite his hatred, then he may also feel that he has the right to kill you. And what have you gained from the incitement?

Again I ask you. What is the objective of insulting the prophet (saw) incessantly?

Do you think that Muslims will be forced to learn to accept those cartoons, and submit to their prophet being ridiculed?

Do you think that by drawing obscene pictures of the prophet (saw) that Muslims will suddenly mass convert to xtianity?

Or do you think that the situation will continue, with one incitement here, one shooting or bombing there, rapidly escalating until one or the other adherents of a religion, incite some major attack against the other, and millions die?

I think the last is the most likely outcome, if the likes of Pamela Geller are applauded as 'free speech' champions. I remember reading about certain radio stations in Rwanda that were also championing 'free speech' in the run-ups to the April 1994 genocide.

Look at just one example of what her campaign is teaching KIDS...

http://www.onislam.net/english/news/americas/485541-children-vandalize-tulsa-islamic-school.html

So much as non-Muslims love to be liberal with the tar brush when painting Muslims, and whitewash their own misdeeds, in reality, there are ugly, violent groups in all religions. The only difference is that the Muslim ones get plenty of free advertising.

I am not in support of events like "draw mohammed day". From reading ur comment

Do you think that by drawing obscene pictures of the prophet (saw) that Muslims will suddenly mass convert to xtianity?

It seems u think Christians spear head such activities to ridicule Islam and win converts. U are wrong, Most Christians are unaware of the Islamic threat and the hate Islam teaches. They ignorantly buy the silly story of extremists misunderstanding Islam, unfortunately a lot Catholics are top in this regard, ignorantly organising interfaith events.


When the American pastor called for burn the Koran day the vast majority Christians disagreed with the pastor.
When I tell my Christian friends what I see in the quran, they are usually shocked.

So don't blame Christians. Pam geller is a bold woman. I admire her courage. U should admire her too. She boldy says what Muslims don't want Christians to know are in ur quran.
Do I agree with everything she does , NO. So don't generalize her views on every Christian or American.

The "Charlie hebdo cartoons and the like are usually initiatives of atheists who attack all religions but Christians, and religions like Hindus, Buddhists etc won't take it personal, they are just as offended as any other muslim but its only Muslims that will pick up a "kaffir" made gun to kill peope.

I want to say something about ur comment

remember reading about certain radio stations in Rwanda that were also championing 'free speech' in the run-ups to the April 1994 genocide.

Don't u see how flawed ur statement is. Those radio stations in Rwanda were calling for the death of the rival tribe, and Even called the tribe cockroaches to be smashed. Has Pam geller, Robert spenser etc done that

Answer me you hypocrite.

While ur devout moderate Muslims
Empiree, tartar9 kgarko and rilwanye001 keep calling for the death of Jews and death to America.
Your quran calling Jews apes and monkeys and that they should be fought.
This is a call for genocide by Muslims.

I don't support people being ridiculed, but mohammed didn't give himself a chance to be taken seriously.

Mohammed taught several ridiculous things in the quran about shiatan.
Mohammed gave several scientific blunders
Mohammed slept with a child
Mohammed butchered a whole tribe
mohammed was hopping from one slaves bed to another. Mohammed said after sex with animals you should wash ur privates
Mohammed said angels don't enter a house with dogs in it mohammed approves of sex with frist cousins which he did himself, this causes genetic disorders)

YourMain:
Well I'm not to speak for the women back then. Difference with your theory and mine is, I'm giving you an example. Give me an example where the Qur'an condones rape. You've stated your quote and no rape is mentioned.

1. I wasn't there. I Dont know the situation. But seeing from the story of a woman who was a slave and who was held captive and she willingly had sex with her " slave master".
2. Again I wasn't there. I Dont know the situation. But there were obviously women who were there and who willingly had sex.

Ehm sorry its not a situation of "just sleep with her if you captured her even if their husband survived the fighting" according to the scripture she no longer has a husband. Which was the case for many slaves in all history. Also it was not forced upon either the woman or the man.

You weren't there?? That's ur answer?

Even when the hadiths show the full context fo those innocent women who were later raped by mohammed and his men.

You weren't there so u won't believe the situation of the poor women, yet u believe a paedophile was a prophet even tho u weren't there.


You said

Ehm sorry its not a situation of "just sleep with her if you captured her even if their husband survived the fighting" according to the scripture she no longer has a husband.

Its according to mohammed "she doesn't have a husband". If a pastor tell ur mother she isn't married to your father will your mother agree.

Run along, u are too far gone in your denial.

tayebest:
RUBBISH

Lol, Muslims calls quran verses rubbish. You are right. The quran is indeed rubbish.

YourMain:
Ehm I can't see where it says rape is okay. It says sex with slaves is permissible. Not rape. Actually in the oh so Bible, when you rape someone you pay her dear father some money and youre to marry her. Imagine those 214 girls having to marry their rapist.

Lol my city doesn't get attacked by any thing. Thank the Lord we've laws and rules and regulations. Rape is very different from intercourse. When you're having sex with someone both parties are in it together. The Qur'an doesn't ask you to rape them. If says you may have sex with them. Obviously you'll think the worst. Maybe cause you've a sick twisted mind yourself. The prophet Ibrahim had sex with his slave hajar. He didn't rape her. They had sex which is permissible.

God isn't stupid he knows his words. He said Sex not Rape. If he wanted us to rape them hed say rape.

Loooool no offence or anything but if Christianity didn't exist we wouldn't have the magdeline laundries or sick twisted pedophile priests according to your logic.

Its Islamic allah that allows rape of captives not God.

Apparently u missed the analogy I gave which mirrors the scenario of the events in the quran and hadith which brought about the fake revelations of raping captives.


Can u answer this question.
Mohammed attacks your city. After mohammed and his men kill all of the fighting males.
Massive massacre and they win.

And after the raid and killings your sisters, mother, aunts and several other women who are even married are rounded up and brought to mohammed.

Mohammed then tells his soldiers that if their right hand possess any of the women they can have sex with them, "just sleep with her if you captured her even if their husband survived the fighting. ". This scenario is in ur quran and hadiths.

Sahih Muslim 8:29 explains mohammed's opinion on war captives well : “IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE.”

So I ask you yourmain example 1. will you willingly have sex with a man that just killed your husband/boyfriend in the name of his god

Example 2 will u willingly have sex with a man from the army that just conquered ur city and have ur husband held captive . YES or NO.

shahydbinaliyu:
laughing. a muslim? Hating jesus? laughing, . give me one reason you think muslims hate jesus? muslims are followers of jesus more than christians

Why don't u go and r.ape captives and slaves like ur prophet did

Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." •This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.

Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." •Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" •A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part.

YourMain:
Oh. Because only Muslims rape people. Christian Jewish Buddhist people never ever rape. Just Muslims. What I think is hilarious is the fact a bunch of terrorists can walk into a school and take over 200 girls and nothing's is done about it. Speaks volumes about your country and the stuff that is allowed to happen there. Rape happens all over the world I Dont see many countries sitting on their asses and doing nothing about it. Fix your country before you fix my religion. Because if you can call those terrorists Muslims you can also call them Nigerians. Where they are allowed to kidnap girls and rape them cause nothing will be done.

Yes rape happens everywhere but Islam is the only religion that promotes and encourages raping people.


If your city was just attacked by the a rival tribe for whatever reason, be it you attacked first even or they provoked. They kill a lot of people u know.

Massive massacre and they win. And after the raid your sisters, mother, aunts and several other women who are married are rounded up and brought to the head commander.

The head commander/prophet then tells his soldiers that if their right hand possess any of the women they can have sex with them, "just sleep with her if you captured her. ". This scenario is in ur quran and hadiths

Isn't that rape. Could any of the women just willingly allow the soldiers to have sex with them after killing their people, while their husbands are still alive and probably tied up.
Even if it was days after battle.
Sahih Muslim 8:29: “IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE.”
Have u seen it or u just won't accept it. I will give u time to see the full context from your Koran, this is evil and immoral.

If we had no Islam we won't have Boko Haram raping young girls. Your quran is filled with several rape enouraging verses even rape of married women. Let me quote some of them again.


Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." •This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.

Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." •Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" •A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part

YourMain:
Eh ? There's no cervical cancer vaccine in Nigeria? Lol yeah okay cause I go around kidnapping and raping girls :') like the other 2 billion Muslims on earth :') :')

You are supposedly a female yet u think it is appropriate to make jokes about such a sensitive topic especially since Muslims raped these young girls as encouraged by your quran. How unfortunate!

Note Muslim population are approximately 1.2 - 1.5 billion. And not 2billion.

tayebest:
What is this one saying?
Are you till talkinq about war?

“If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” (Qur'an 5:32)

The first time a Muslim friend quoted this verse, I liked it instantly and it was heartwarming. Then I decided to look for myself and behold it was a text without context;


From Qu'ran 5:32, “...If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”


The Fuller context says;

Qu'ran 5:32-34, "On that account: Therefore we prescribed for the Children of Israel that who so slays a soul not to retaliate for a soul slain, nor for corruption done in the land, shall be as if he had slain mankind altogether; and who so gives life to a soul, shall be as if he has given life to mankind altogether. Our Messengers have already come to them with the clear signs; then many of them thereafter commit excesses in the earth.
This is the recompense of those who fight against God and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be SLAUGHTERED, or CRUCIFIED, or their hands and feet shall alternately be STRUCK OFF; or they shall be banished from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement,
except for such as repent, before you have power over them. So know you that God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate."

Notice how you can slay a person if the person spreads corruption in the land or as some translations call it, "mischief". This "corruption in the land" or "mischief" can mean anything such as Preaching the Gospel of Christ, making Muslims uncomfortable by questioning the Qu'ran or Muhammed, drawing Mohammed, supporting western education etc This has therefore been an excused used by Jihadists like BokoHaram, ISIS, Hamas, hezbollah, Al shabba, Alqueda etc to murder, kill and destroy.

Finally a very brief explanation of the verse by an Ex-Muslim-

We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person -unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land- it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

Salient points:
1 - It explicitly states that this was a commandment to the Children of Israel, i.e. the Jews! This is not a commandment to all people, and it certainly should not be misused as if this is Allah's command to Muhammad's people.

2 - Even if this were a command to the Muslims, there's still an escape clause: "unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land." If someone is "spreading mischief", he can still be killed. Now let's think for a moment. The would-be Times Square bomber considers Americans to be spreading mischief in Palestine and around the world (practically all Muslims I know think this, even the ones who are American citizens). Accordingly, even if this verse were to apply to someone like Faisal Shahzad, he would still be justified in his slaughter.
As if this weren't obvious enough from the verse itself, the Qur'an further expounds this point in the very next verse. 5:33 says
The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.
This verse is referring to the Muslims, not the Jews anymore, as we can tell in the shift from past tense to present tense. And here, the punishment for mischief is clearly prescribed: execution, crucifixion, mutilation, or at the least, exile. This is the command given to the Muslims. Quite clearly, it does not teach what the Muslims proclaim it teaches; in fact, it teaches almost the exact opposite.
It is undeniably clear that, in order to make Islam seem peaceful, Nazam and many other Muslims rip this verse out of its context, take words out of the very verse itself, changing the entire message for something else. I wonder if they know they are guilty of Surah 5:13.
In any case, we should not let ourselves (or anyone who might be interested) be deceived by the popular Muslim interpretation of these verses.

skylane:
and also the old law says don't kill steal and commit adultery,does dat really mean we shud do them? because paul say we are not bound by the old law? See what he meant was we shud not depend on the law for holiness 4 it achieved by the grace of God

Yeah I agree we shud not depend on the law for holiness. committing adultery or stealing is universally bad but the punishment has changed. I ask u again do u stone adulteresses or kill homosexuals or worship in a synagogues?

Christians are NOT bond by old law traditions which include tithes but Christians must give freely as Christ taught us in the gospels.

WhoBeThisMan:
Does that mean islam teaches violence?

Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"
Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." •This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.
Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." •Even sex with married slaves is permissible.
Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" •A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part

Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."


Qur’an 8:12— Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

Qur’an 9:73—O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”


Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

And what of this infamous narration from your authentic sources;
Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."
Tabari VIII:40 "The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."

There are over 100 verses in the quran that command Muslims to fight non Muslims but fortunately most Muslims don't take it serious.

PPAngel:
And what is the punishment for leaving islam again?

Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt, Sudan and most moslem nations have criminal laws sentencing apostates to death!

Is that not from your terror manual aka koran?

Islam is a cult. Only cults kill people who leave it. Here are the verses in the hadiths to kill apostates.

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and [size=13pt] the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." [/size]
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17 ”


“ Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said,[size=13pt] 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' [/size]
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:260


“ A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle. — Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:89:271 ”

siraj1402 by now u will realize I am well informed on your religion from hundreds of hours of research as well as listening to your best Islamic scholars. Be careful what u ask me because I will provide the information.

nortcentrallord permit me to add a little more.

siraj1402:
And I will love you tell me about Quran and Hadith and point it out where it been mentioned that females should be captured and molest,

There are many, but here are some.

Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." •This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves or war captives.

Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." •Even sex with married slaves/war captives is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" •A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part of.

...that people should be killed because they are Christian.I will really love it you tell me just a single place where islam mentioned that killing a Christian is allowed.More also Internet is not the source of our reference and understanding, anyone can wake up and write anything.

Okay so I will quote more from your quran and hadiths.

Qur’an 9:73—O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”


Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

And what of this infamous narration from your authentic sources;
Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."
Tabari VIII:40 "The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."

So for you to understand the word Jihad,you need to meet a scholar and not Google.Jihad does not mean in anyway to kill in the cause of Allah unless you are saying to strive in a cause means to kill in that cause.

Do you know the difference between lesser and greater jihad. U should. Lesser jihad is physical jihad to fight in the name of allah. Greater jihad is personal struggle.

I don't mean to offend you but It goes on to prove that Islam is false and Mohammed is a fraud. Let me show you how you proved that.
if you have read you quran in 21 century English and not 7th century Arabic you will see it say it is clear over and over again, am I wrong, I can quote verses.
However, how come your quran is easily misleading fellow Muslims to commit so much evil, from hamas to hezbolla, from the Pakistani Taliban to the afghan Taliban, from al queda to al nusra, from Boko haram to isis etc.
How can your god be so easily misunderstood. How can he be so unclear and yet promise you a clear qu'ran and how can his words be so easily misinterpreted to promote violence all over earth.

Even if Mohammed confesses islam's falsehood you will still remain adamant to truth.

"I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken."
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)[2]

Surah 72:21: Say, “I possess no power to harm you, nor to guide you.” (mohammed in the quran)


My bible says by their fruits you shall know them, the fruits of falsehood is confusion. I remember when I was in school and if one used a false formulae for a calculation, he or she always ended up confused because the variables won't make sense but when he/she figures it is because of the false formulae and changes it, everything starts to fall into place, all the variables start to make sense. Islam is a false formulae.
In 1 Corinthians 14:33 My bible tells me in clear terms that God is not the author of confusion. There is so much confusion in Islam ask the Wahabi, Salafists, sunnis, shites alwaites, ahmedies. They kill each other because of this.
My bible also tell me in Matthew 7:15-20,“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."
Islams fruits are rotten and that's the truth my friend

zeongeon:
This just goes to prove all ifeann has been posting on the religious thread about is islam is true..Just look at under age girls that they have subject to atrocious acts, I pray that God heals this girls because of the amount of mental and physical damage done.

I pity this gals cause more will need to be done to rehabilitate them pshycologically. Now the poor little gals may end up having cervical cancer or even die.

The devil has failed, these girls will still go on to become great regardless of what has happened.

Its so painful to read what happened to those innocent girls. They were captives and according to the quran u can rape captives without marrying them. Empiree tartar9 rilwayne001 roypcian abuamam yazach tola9ja yourmain etc will want us to think it is UNislamic but the quran approves see some verses

Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." •This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.


Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." •Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" •A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part

Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." •This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.


Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." •Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" •A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part

skylane:
christ came to emphasize on the laws and old practices and not to abolish dem, pls if u do not understand christainity let's stop talking abt it

Really, pls educate me, I wish to learn everyday. However, the majority of posters on this topic understand that tithes are for OT Jews, Christians are required to give freely. Give to charity and church.

Do u even know what Christ meant when he said he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfil it. Christ said there are 2 commandments; worship God and love thy neighbour. What about the old testament 10 commandments.

Why do we have a New testament that ends the Old. Yes all scripture is profitable (like Paul said) but we are not bond by the old law. Old law includes stoning adultresses , do u stone adultresses. ?

[quote author=channelz post=33398373][/quote]^^^^^ lol. channelz that's how the Muslims "debunk and refute" my topics on what the quran and hadiths really say about mohammed.

I hope u have the time to repost that here https://www.nairaland.com/2288161/why-like-curse-here-why#33308177 to prove my point. I don't know how u manage to compile quotes so neatly.

Tola9ja rilwayne001, abuamam, roypcain yazack kgarko see u Bro defend your prophet the best way they know how. By insults.