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butterfly88:
hmmm ....kinda lost...please help clarify the statement of thales of and how it resolves this

To clearify a little more i would show u this:
1. If there is a God then there is no evil
GOD- EVIL
2. If there is Good then there is no devil
DEVIL - GOOD
3. If there is evil then there is no God
GOD - EVIL
4. IF THEre is devil then there is no good
DEVIL- GOOD
From d above where does dat leave us? It leaves us with prove dat there is good and evil, GOD AND DEVIL; it is obvious dat God is Good, the extra 'O' signifies his grace upon us despite his presence. It is also clear that d devil is evil even though he is decitful and tries to hide his cruelty be removing d 'D' from Evil but we are no fools not to know the devil is EVIL...

God(Good)=Devil(Evil) This went in!


Thread closed!

butterfly88:
the history of God ..thought God had no history

Nice,you caught him there!

Smallville10:
i am not convinced yet

Do you know who created your god? Yes or No?

Smallville10:
evil was d first tin i defined in my article. Go and read it

You said "Evil can be defined as any unpleasant, unjust and cruel phenomenon that happens with time."

Do you agree that killing the first born of the Egyptians was cruel and unpleasant? Yes or No?

Smallville10:
all u need do is make me believe

Okay,Zeus created your god. Do you agree with that?

Smallville10:
am i to answer dis question

Yes,what is Evil?

Smallville10:
Take another example, lightening strikes a dead tree ( this example is from wikipedia article "problem of evil"- thanks to Mr. Seun) and sets d forest ablaze and in d forest is a fawn caught up in d fire and dies, do u blame God? Maybe u dont know dat God has given us control over all animals and so it is our duty to protect them, u dont expect God to come do d duty he gave to u and besides d lightening was following nature's instructions

What if I told you Zeus is the real God,can you tell if I'm wrong or not?

Smallville10:
hahahahaha.
Now talking abt Death and suffering which can be said to be evil, are we to blame God for dat? Certain things happen and without thinking we conclude its God's fault.
Take for example, an individual driving at high speed on a journey for plans on how to liquidate another person but then it starts raining heavily and out of control, his car loses control as a result of wet slippery tar and he has a terrible accident and dies; someone else where is thanking God for d rain because his crops havent had rain fall in a while; someone else where is about to set off on an important job interview but d heavy rain doesnt allow him get to d bus stop then he is forced to stay back and after sometime he gets news dat there was heavy gun firing at d busstop and some people were shot; somewhere else people are experiencing flooding, their house becomes filled with water and people drowning from strong water current flowing.
From the above we can see dat alot is happening with just one rain fall, some are favoured while others aint. Do u hold God for this? If u were God what would u do?

I do not hold your god responsible for anything because there isn't a god. Look at how you are creating,painting and giving attributes to your created god. This is your imaginary god which you alone can imagine. This is a lazy man's god.

What is Evil?

Smallville10:
we are just startin

Go on then,give it your best shot.

Is that all?

sonofluc1fer:
- Wetin concern black man concern Abraham?
- Why did Jesus die for my sin without my permission? Who send am message?
- Why do I still go to hell if Jesus died for my sin? Why do I have to believe to get benefits? Afterall, he paid without my signature.

Life is not a choice between Atheism and Christianity. Theism, which is the direct opposite of Atheism, has many religious streams : Islam and Christianity are merely the youngest, and their rise in numbers is a consequence of their hunger for conquest.

Atheism and irreligion is only a natural response to a society that is oversaturated with religion - where there are more churches than healthcare centers on many streets, where major highways can be blocked in the name of worshiping the violent Abrahamic Gods of our slavemasters, where Pastors use the Bible to rape the poor and downtrodden.

When church membership in Nigeria begins to drop, know that the country has started taking the first steps to progress.

So Op, before you focus on atheism, fix your Christianity. It's damage on our psyche will take a long time to fix and our society has been worse for it.

This went through his ass smoothly!

solara:
what is this 1 saying

You should read it again

Lets take a look at a typical African-Born-Again-Cult

*Its founder/leader is self-appointed, dogmatic, messianic, not accountable e.g Oyedepo,Kumuyi and the rest of the Animals in humans skins

*It uses psychological coercion to recruit, indoctrinate and retain its members.

*It forms an elitist totalitarian society. Everything they say is final and no church member dares question them

*Its wealth does not benefit its members or society.


Below are a typical born again cult rules

Not for free thinkers

What a beautiful lady! Only a coward will lay his hands on women

Your poor state of mind made you visit hell. I can imagine how poorly you have fed your mind with religious garbage. Real people dream of Mansions,Cars,Success,happiness...you are here visiting Hell a second time. Only poor minded minds like yours will buy into your crap stories. Think and grow happy!

GeneralTee:
#AnalysingPentecostalism 22 (see other series 1-21 on Facebook)

Rising Atheism

by Deji Yesufu

More and more young people are ditching religion altogether and increasingly resorting to atheism. This reality was brought home to me some two years ago when atheists almost overran the religion section of Nairaland. They began to even ask for their own section – claiming a new type of religion. The anonymous nature of the forum afforded them the liberty to express their thoughts. Seun Osewa, the owner of the forum, himself had renounced Christianity and the thread were he told his story was a bestseller of some sort.

While many people vilify atheism in our nation, one must appreciate the fact that it takes a great deal to be one and those who profess atheism are about the soundest and most rational human beings. Man is by default religious. To throw away that default position requires a great deal of study and boldness. In the long run, atheism is another religion – a religion without a god. One of the greatest books in my library is “Loosing the Bonds” by Andrew Kirk. It is a book dedicated to studying different religions. He dedicates some chapters to atheism.

Kirk discusses three men that changed the face of modern sociology. They are Karl Marx, Frederich Nitchzhe and Sigmund Freud. Marx gave us Socialism and Communism. Nitchzhe suggested that “God is dead”. He invented the “Superman” and his thoughts brought about fascism. Freud developed modern psychiatry. All of them great men but all of them avowed atheists. Kirk argued in his book that there was a great deal Christians could learn from atheists’ criticism of religion and if Christians will do this, they will be the better for it.

It is my humble submission in view of all these that Pentecostalism is adding to rising atheism in the land. While it may not be the primary cause, it is a major contributing factor. Why? Pentecostalism is anti intellectual. It is highly subjective and very non rational. It thrives on a belief in miracles in a world of science and technology. Pentecostalism just does not fit the aggressive and progressive mind of Nigerian youths and thus it is increasingly thrown into the dustbin. This might have been my fate had I not possessed something in my knowledge of God beyond bland subjectivity.

This leads me to why true Christianity ought to appeal to an atheist. The true Christian religion is founded on sound knowledge. The Christian faith is possessed of true understanding of God before any subjective experience of God. With the coming of the 16th century Reformation, Christianity took on a new knowledge base. Even Roman Catholic scholasticism came to life. The Protestant religion brought light to Europe; it opened the search for knowledge in science and birth the industrial revolution of the 19th century that gave us modern science. Therefore the true Christian faith shares a great deal with atheists and if they will listen to the gospel, they will end up by far greater Christian scholars than many. Case in point: C. S. Lewis.

The man who gave us Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, is a raving atheist. But all of us religious people use his invention to promote our views. In my first interview with Edmund Obilo, he confessed on live Radio that he cannot remember when last he was in church. There is no better broadcaster than him in Ibadan. I remember approaching some senior citizens to invite them to attend my fellowship. They told me that religion sets people back. It deters their thinking. It doesn’t promote intellectualism. I just sat there watching.

You cannot sell signs, wonders and miracles to 21st century thinkers – it is just simply out of date. And my findings shows that even the God of the Bible has outdated miracles. Instead he has blessed man with such resounding knowledge that if my generation will spend less time at Redeem Camp and other prayer camps, we will find the cure to AIDS, Cancer and other debilitating diseases of our time. While at the same time adding to the science revolution and increase our nation’s gross productivity. Thereby creating jobs and wealth for the people. This is the type of work the gospel encourages; work that produces better feeding! He that will not work cannot eat!! Let us wake up. The atheists are challenging us.

I am not promoting atheism here. I am simply saying that Pentecostalism and many other religion that thrive on the subjective are adding nothing to science and modern thinkers have no time for such nonsense. I am also saying that the true Christian faith is highly intellectual. It appeals to the mind as it convinces the sinner of a need for a Savior.

You guys crossed the line by labeling people who do not believe in your religion "Sinner". Meaning they are contaminated and here lies your problem...you are being pompous and judgmental which is ironically the same thing you claimed your Jewish messiah preached agaisnt. Who are you to call others sinners and in need of a savior. You want people to accept your faith by condemning them? How does that work?.

The born again person however does not then sell his brain to the church, rather he becomes a thinker. Whether he is a theologian, a scientist, a technologist, a broadcaster, a writer, or even a politician, he brings in a finesse of knowledge into his profession that adds to it. Christians are already disciplined individuals and thus can use their time for productive ventures. This is the reason why early scientists were mostly Christians.

A born again person actually sells himself to the church. Tell me how how being born again(a Christendom initiate)is a thinker? Because once you convert to a certain ideology,you are obliged to adhere to all the rules in that Cult and cannot think for himself. Thou shalt not eat sardine means sardine eating is wrong,and why? because the bible said so

For example,if you are a person who is Gay tolerant,becoming a christian-born again means you will automatically be inclined to condemn them even to the point of persecution. Noisily nosing into other people's business, sprinkled with a liberal amount of condemning non-believers to hell..... The person becomes far from a thinker but a servant who obeys basically all the laws in the bible,which includes stoning wayward kids to death(that's if they are really born again). I don't see how a born again could be a thinker because you scroll to the bible to see if a particular T shirt you are about to buy is a sin

There is increasing atheism in the land and I hereby present the gospel to these folks as a sound alternative to the mere religion they are raging against.

CC: TheSixthSense, HardMirror, lalasticlala

You will need to come up with much stronger point to convince anyone that your religion is for upgraded minds.

lol

I named my dog jesus

yemiosinbajo:
hahahahaha, so the pastor touched electric cable, huh Very funny.
Can you now tell us why the "electric cable" doesn't electrocute the herbalists but only electrocutes infidels? Is that how your own high voltage electric cables work?
Can you also tell us why no doctor or scientist could revive the electrocuted pastor? How come only the herbalists could resuscitate him? Confused atheists!!

We are all scientists,why should we ascribe it to a certain individuals. A curious person who loves to know how things work is into science. However,I am not there to see for myself,maybe I would guess. But you can take kumuyi there to test his god's powers

TheSCRYPT:
All you have written up there points to a belief system. Something beyond the ordinary eyes, yes? I would not want to call it "spiritual". However, your assertion have agreed with a popular belief in voodoo and black magic.

Man is made up of energy? We are going deep here. And you have mentioned things beyond the natural eyes. So, are you athiest really?

I freely think and certainly know there is no god. I study everything,juju,science and even your religion. Juju is something we should take serious...but do not worship!. Studying mathematics doesn't make it a religion,does it? You call it black magic because you have left it in the dark.

akinze100:
Dats the highest level of BLASPHEMY I av ever heard

I'm very happy to hear that.

WeNigerDelta:
Spoils of war, research, to gloat, who knows? They might have thousands of reasons for doing it. That's not my point, mine is that we Africans need to study our religion like a science and figure it all out, not let other people tell us about our gods or ancient science.
And if we can do this and harness it for good, I believe we will be stronger than before the white men stepped foot on our shores.

Agreed.

Philinho:
you are just as good as dead by that comment n all those who liked your comment.where were you when that Name JESUS conquered the whole world....are doomed

I have never witnessed a world conquered by jesus. Can you describe this world please?

WeNigerDelta:
As much as I would like to believe all this, you're just speculating. There has not been enough scientific research into what the hell goes on in our traditional religious practices for anyone to give a definite answer.
And until we stop being scared of it, study it, harness the goodness of its mystery, science or powers. I don't believe Africans will ever be truly great.

Why did they take a lot of African artifice to Europe to study?

TheSCRYPT:
Lol. Now it's Alchemy eh? You just have to find something to say about this. What is alchemy by the way? I am sure your being able to decipher the method he used in making the "pastor" motionless means you have some good knowledge of it, perhaps you can explain to me how a non-electromagnetic entity as man can keep another motionless with invisible threads you now term electomagnetic fields.

I am reading...

Alchemy is from the word "Al Kermit" Magic of the black land. The ancient library containing the knowledge of the ancient Egyptian got evaded and looted to Rome(Vatican)where they test the knowledge of ancient Egypt. Its easy to see the sudden rise of technology

The African juju,if modified would have been a very huge assert. But unfortunately it's left in the hands of the illiterates and most part destroyed by European missionaries. They took the remnant of knowledge and gave us fake pastors who get stuck on juju.

Man is made up of energy. An object will remain at inertia unless acted upon by another force. His vibration probably got sped up by something he touched in that shrine,hence he became unconscious.

Proffdada:
freedom? You mean bondage to devil.

It's funny how you christian fear the devil a lot. The devil is your alter ego

Efewestern:
I thought u said Power Don't exist ?.. Atheist be Deceiving themselves since 1900. God is Real

Its clear the pastor was nt sent by God

What will happen to you if you touched a high voltage electric cable?

Proffdada:
like you said, hidden portals and shifting dimensions is no child's play but the amateur hasn't finished the spiritual battle before jumping to physical . For it is said, in 2 Corinthians 10:4
The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds.

many fetish altars have been destroyed in most cases by the priests after giving their lives to Christ. I suggest you do the same

After surrendering your freedom to jesus...hmm that makes sense. Yes destroy the alters and give your powers to the priests/pastors who are even worse.

Alisteven:
There's a big difference betwen knowing how to read & reading with understanding.

I dnt get fooled by Pastors/herbalists. So, dnt get me wrong. Just read my comment again.. This time, slowly.

Slowly.....and can now see you have no clue what you are saying

TheSCRYPT:
I thought you lot atheist do not believe in anything spiritual? So you know gods are potent?

Lol. Be deceiving yourselves with your double standards.




Oh well, the topic already explains itself. Do not be wise in your own conceit.

They are not gods,just electromagnetic fields(the ancient misunderstood). The Ogun priest is probably performing the art of ancient Alchemy,not gods,even when they call it Ogun. Christians think they can walk on serpent,walk into and dangerous site and not get hurt.....we can see where it led this silly bible god's pastor.

Alisteven:
Simple sense of reasoning should let u know that; just as there are fake pastors, there are powerless shrines.. The ''Pastor'' stepped into the wrong places to show his fake powers.
Therefore, this has nothing to do with Jesus as u naively presumed.

You meant he was fake and the bible god didn't send him because he got manhandled by the shrine? Poor excuse.. If he had succeeded i'm sure you would have screamed"Jesus is lord"

adjoviomole:
if u say its good den fine. What will you do if u caught ur son or daughter masturbating?

I will teach them sex education because that would mean they are probably having sex. I will teach them the importance of safe sex and I doubt they will want me to run into them masturbating. I won't open their room door without knocking anyway.