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ValentineMary:
Over the years theist and atheist have argued about the possibility of us having a conscious watchman who looks over every of our activities. So this thread is for us to discuss how logical it is for us to claim to have a watchman. Pls only matured comments.

Cc Johnnydon22, Seun , Raphiemontella, Dorox, Doctoralien, Lordnicklaus, Shadeyinka, hopefullandlord, Hahn, Dakol, cloudgoddess, Donnffd, Ifenes, et al

The idea of the "Watchman" is the Higher Mind of an individual.The non-physical part of a Human Being which the theists call-God. The higher Mind conceives and the physical mind percieves. It is impossible for the Physical mind to do anything other than -see what Happened. Both minds are one and cannot do without each other. Although the Higer mind can,except it will no longer be physical without the Physical mind.

Logical explanation of of topics like this are 100% impossible because the Physical mind cannot do the Higher Mind's job. Often times it becomes frustrated and sick. All it can do is get into alignment with the Higher mind(our true selves) to find relief and happiness

The theists mistake the Higher mind for Yahweh( which is a big wrong). The Athiest look at stuff from logical, physical point of views alone( which will lead them no where). Both need to be re-educated on how the Human Being functions. The Watchman is nothing but the 100% you, which we are only 5% of presently. The study of the human psychology should be encouraged and eventually that should replace religion.

This will probably be my last post on nairaland. But before I leave for good,I will leave a parting gift.

Everyone is busy disusing,arguing,name calling all because of one thing,God. But what really is God? According to the christians,God is the creator of all things in the Universe and I do agree with them. What is what God is,but who is God? This is where the Christians fall flat!

God is the Mind of Individuals. Some people think the mind is as a result of the brain,which isn't true. The mind is the human meaning of the brain.

Just as mind is the human meaning of the brain, so God is the theological meaning of mind. That is what the fighting is all about. This is what religious folks call "God". Christians,your holy book said....“The Kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21). I wonder if you guys every came across that. That's your mind not elsewhere.

I would love to go a bit into observed science we have today(although just a fraction of how the mind works)

The brain’s left half proceeds item-by-item and step-by-step. I call it the Atheist-Mind. It observes, organizes,explains things systematically, It is always "on alert," constantly vigilant, isolating and mastering and takes things into account. It observes and explains things in a rational way. The right side is imagination,creation of illusion and beliefs without questions,pays little attention to details.I will call it the religious mind.

To the Christians,your bible contains everything about your mind and how it is indeed God. I will give a verse for you to remember me with.

Romans 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

The guy Jesus...what about him? The guy worshiped worshiped by some(Christians) and hung on the tree by the others(Atheists) but both did not get his message. "His message" is an embodiment of truth that you all are Gods(Powerful Minds) Which was a metaphor. And again,Jesus did not really exist. Jesus is the amalgamation of the left and right brain which would become a powerful force when united.



That's it for me. Goodbye nairaland.

Gboyee4fun:
lol, well first to your question....OLORUN MADE ME WHOM I AM TODAY...and I don't exist by myself He purposefully made me for His unquestionable purpose...

Now you can quote what you want, I don't really care, and more so, i don't throw stones like kids...lol...please I jejely advice you to stick to your idea about God....whatever your opinion about God is, it doesn't even has an inches of negative effect that HE is GOD...you are just one among many of His creations......
take care bro, I wish u best in life.

What if I called you a bastard and then say I pity you if you do not believe it.

It is okay to feel like a slave. I have no problem with you feeling this way,but do not say all of us are slaves because you think we are like. you. There is hope for you still

Kindest regards

Yes everyone goes to heaven.

Gboyee4fun:
lol...only a fool thinks there is no OLORUN

bro, I don't talk much to atheists...I don't even give you guys attention...just be ignoring my post and continues to swim in you foolishness...I don't preach to fools......if you tried any nonsense with your atheistic thinking, you will really be sorry for yourself at the end....I jejely advice you to stay put to your stance to God and stop quoting me....

What makes me a fool and not you? What important role has olorun played in your life?

This is the social media,I quote what I want. You cannot throw stones and expect nothing sent back at you

Gboyee4fun:
KabiOosi Fun OLUORUN...MAJESTY TO THE KING OF HEAVEN

I see the need for human being to really know the God of creations, that He is self

Which is you/your mind

existing God that created all things for His pleasure...Isaiah know this... Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish....

You are talking about Self-worth,Self-knowledge Christians do not have.

No matter any body's view about God, God remains the same, He never Change....

The Mind is unchangeable

He stretched forth the earth for his pleasure not for religion. He never create human being as a dead being but of a living being

A being is constant,it has no beginning nor an end. There is no begining to the human Mind,it always is and will always be and that is why it's called a "BEING"

......who is satan? A created being, who is angel of death? A created being, who are the fallen angels/small gods/fake gods?

Satan is your alter-ego,or lets just say your Ego-Mind,or when the mind gets clouded. Your religion for example,is a Satan to your true self,because it tells you are are not good enough.

We called them demons because they fall but believe it you can not differentiate demons from angels if you really don't have "spirit of discernment" because they both put on white clothes... Lol.... everything about this life is really in the BIBLE, just that people have been lost in religion(the hand work of satan)

your religion Christianity, is reverse education to your true-self.

.... The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding

You cannot fear God because you are God. Yahweh is has replaced you as god that is why you fear God. God/your fully activated Mind is nothing to be feared and it will give you wisdom and knowledge which is natural to it.

For by me thy days shall be multiplied, and the years of thy life shall be increased.

You cannot achieve this by just saying it,but by using your Mind correctly

...A generation is rising that will really do the pleasure of God upon this earth, A generation that will worship the OLUORUN in spirit and in truth....Iba fun OBA OGO.....
https://m.facebook.com/Peteru-393760750712720/

Glorious weekend!!!!

A new generation is already rising and awaking to the fact that Man is God,and will move forward to do great things. No one will worship Olorun

stephenmorris:
sometimes religion has nothing to do with the beleive in a personal god,but rather a set of ideas and facts that sees mankind as a super animal That is;we are the only saviours of ourselves therefore we should regard eachother as gods and not lesser animals
while we are yet humans because a majority of us will prefer to save a human life than the life of a dog if we are to choose which to save
we all have our ideas and views on what religion is ,to me this is my view for now.
cc:seun,ifeness,johnydon22,joseph1013,kingebukasblog(my brother)
no trolling by anyone here o

Religion is a tool of control that keeps the rich safe from the poor. It is a daily/regular/constant release of psychological Anti-virus to keep the hard drive and Mind of a human being from functioning well.

What is Christ? What is Gospel?

Christ means light,truth etc and the Gospel is the teaching of a particular knowledge.

If Christ is the truth about humans being a.k.a Gods,the Gospel of Christ then means the knowledge or teaching of Godliness of Man.

But what is the Truth? It simply is that Man has a Mind that never dies and if activated to its full potential,Man will become God(unlimited)

What is God(the state where man conquers the illusion of the material world)

The human mind is the only evidence of the truth/christ/light......not the book/bible

End Time about to accelerate for you. Dreams are memory banks and Parallel realities to the one you are having now. The dream you had is an invitation for you to activate that reality with your mind which you clearly have. Haven activated with your expectation and total believe in it,don't be surprised you will shift into in,and only you will experience a proper End Time.

Your mind is a Super Computer,it processes whatever you feed it. Think positive or negative...that is exactly what you will get.

1990news:
I can see a future coming, whereby man wont depend on guns, bombs and etc to fight war, rather they would depend on magic. Probably before that happens, man in general should be able to use atleast 40-60% of their brain capacity. Religious beliefs by then would be a past issue, and man would solely depend on my mind, inner strenght, knowledge and the self power to control his world. Still my theories and illustrations again. So call me, TheBeast.

Technology will have to be less th, because we rely too much on them like... ask someone 12 multiplied by 7, they bring out the mobile phones

1990news:
Just like man create technology, i believe man originates from a failed experiment by higher intellect of aliens, who are exposed to more civilization than us, and we in turn, we are trying to catch up. Believe it or not, you (human) are not alone, because there are other humans (powerful humans) out there, with the capacity to use 90% of their brains, while man still operate on 10% and dolphin operates on 20%. Or maybe, I DONT KNOW....


The above illustrations and theory were written and formulated by myself alone.

True...but it is much more.

KingEtienneSky:
Bro Williams, or to be punctillious, Johnydon22, wonderful article. You did a great job, except that I do not agree with it. You wrote the article from a scientific empiricist materialist nihilistic view of reality, which describes the universe as some kind of clock-work machine which operates according to deterministic rules (indeterministic at the most fundamental material level, hence basically RANDOM in its behaviour), and life as merely an ACCIDENT resulting from random operations of the mechanistic universe, and mind as an epiphenomenon of mindless matter.

In this view, the universe is devoid of all meaning and purpose. The universe isn't trying to achieve anything. It just IS. It's the belief that an entire universe can emerge due to quantum fluctuations (in nothing!) for no reason, and start INFLATING (into what?) for no reason at all, and along the way, after billions of years, particular complex arrangements of matter (the "stuff" of which this universe is made) caused by RANDOM jostling together of atoms (the basic units of matter) gave rise to life (for no reason at all).

Your comments on the first thread you created (for discussion) on this topic suggest that you believe flaws and imperfections do not preclude design. In that case, the only obstacle preventing you from accepting the design argument as valid is empirical substantiation, is that correct?

Empiricism, indeed, has been enormously successful (the very reason why it is extremely persuasive), but that DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. It's unwise to dismiss ideas that cannot be subjected to empirical substantiation as either false or unknowable. There are purported realities that are not susceptible to empirical substantiation, for which sensory evidence cannot be provided. Does that make them unreal? Is MIND material? What empirical evidence is there to prove the existence of MIND? Yet you know mind exists because you THINK. And NO, it's not an epiphenomenon of matter. Mindless atoms CANNOT produce mind (absolutely impossible), and lifeless atom CANNOT give rise to life (another absolute impossibility). Mind is not secondary to matter. On the contrary, matter is secondary to mind. MIND IS PRIMARY REALITY, and since its existence is not dependent on matter (it only needs matter to express itself; particular complex arrangements of matter through which it can process information i.e it needs matter to become CONSCIOUS), it can be said therefore that MIND is eternal, as it preceded the FINITE phenomenal/physical universe, and will remain even after it's no longer there.

If MIND if FUNDAMENTAL REALITY, how many minds are there? It can't be a single mind (we know that simple fact 'cause there're many of us), neither can it be a million, a billion, or nine hundred and ninety-two trillion. Why would that be the case? What conditions permits the existence of arbitary number of finite minds but not an infinite number of them? The number of minds have to be INFINITE. There're no constraints to prevent that. Nothing forbids it, so it has to be.

Then, consider this...... what if Space-time, matter and energy were the creations of DIMENSIONLESS (hence ETERNAL) minds (an infinite number of "nothings" in the material sense, since they have no dimensions)? What if the causal agents that initiated the big bang (albeit UNCONSCIOUSLY) were the infinite number of minds fundamental to the universe? What if they created the material world in a bid to become CONSCIOUS, stirring matter (for billions of years) into more complex forms, through trial and error, until they attained the kind of complexity through which minds can express themselves consciously? What if evolution is being directed by unconscious minds seeking consciousness, but this fact cannot be empirically inferred simply because they're rational (you can't rationally deny the existence of mind as that would be an exercise in futility) unobservables (you can't detect them even with the largest most effective Haldron Colliders)? What if the whole of existence is just a story of dimemsiolnless, unextended, immaterial unconscious IMPERFECT minds (maybe that explains the flaws and imperfections of the material world?) seeking to become conscious by stirring the dimensional, extended, material world they all helped create in all possible directions of complexity so as to become PERFECTLY CONSCIOUS (hence having absolute mental control over matter)? Wouldn't that imply, in the end, that NATURE WAS MADE FOR MAN (or more accurately, for LIFE)? Humanity is no longer strictly subject to biological evolution (thanks to consciousness, hence intelligence), but what about mental evolution? Is human consciousness the highest possible mental state, if not what are we becoming? What is the purpose of the physical universe? What is the meaning of life? What if "it's been MINDS all long?"

"WHAT IF", boss? Just "WHAT IF"?

I couldn't help but agree with you. I would dance to it if you turned it into music.

The Universe is a reflection of collective minds and to change it,the mind needs to change. It is that simple! The mind(consciousness/awareness) is endless and unlimited.

We are all magicians using our minds+imagination =realities. Science is beautiful but "scientists" are getting it wrong. The product(material world/realities) is the result of imaginations emanating from the mind. The Human psychic is the Source not the end product.

The above is what has been hijacked by religious folks who say God...The Mind created all things. As far as I am concerned,that is the Holy Grail.

The Topic the OP presented should be encouraged more on this forum.

Gboyee4fun:
lol, my own mind? bro I have the mind of Christ, I can never or will ever rely on my own wisdom...I believed in the God Almighty that created everything including you...lol..

That is what you were told from birth obviously. But doesn't make it true. You are only a reflection of mid-education. god is your limit, you belong to the Stone Age era where god is feared and people who refuse god are stoned to death.

Gboyee4fun:
lol...bro all the gods in Yoruba culture are fallen angels, lol, they are demons, be it IFA, Ogun, sango, obatala....they knows a little truth that's why they invaded Yoruba land to dwell...lol...real gods will arise and destroy all those slavery Yoruba gods that tricked human being to be worshipping them......that's just a little I can tell you now...you don't need to believed it but no matter anyone's believed a great revival will happen that will established the real truth....Bible is the only book of life...lol..lost baby indeed..

All gods are false. None is meant to be worshiped except by deluded humans who have no shred of intelligence in them. You sound like a back-up singer bro. Learn to use your own mind. If you have no ability to think,the bible is the ideal book for you.

The genetic alteration of the human DNA resulted in the humans having the same intelligence of the visitors. Just like robots are being created with the abilities of humans today

ammyluv2002:
For God said to Moses, "I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I will show compassion to anyone I choose."



It's just hard work & God's Mercy whether they believe in Him or not #MyViewTho

I would divorce you immediately if you were my wife and spoke like this.

Gboyee4fun:
lol, sorry bro, firstly a Christian should know that he is never brainwash in believing in the scripture..Bible!!!...yeah there are so many things wrong, that's why the spirit is involved.......

He just told you the truth. Please stop the further destruction of the Yoruba culture with your Jewish Monster. Our mythology should be ours not confused with others. If you want to serve Yahweh serve Yahweh but stop confusing it Olorun. Satan is not Esu...please be aware! Lost baby

What about your ancestors who we enslaved and thrown into the Atlantic ocean? What about those who fought for the rights and are still fighting for blacks to have equal rights? Do you remember these guys at all?

I have always said the Church is a gay republic. They don't have to hide it anymore,we will embrace them with love.

butterfly88:
very correct sire..taking it a step further,without consciousness matter dwells in a undermined state of probability...for instead the nature of the electron cannot be determined except there is a conscious observer..Therefore on a larger scale any universe that could have preceded consciousness only existed in a probability state

hence consciousness should precede the universe.....i totally agree!!

The closest way we could study Consciousness today is to study the Human Psychology. Once we master the art of fine tuning the Human psychic,we will be able to experience a better sociology,economical and political bliss.

And talking about the conscious observer....We are the ones experiencing realities, our various belief system determines the kind of world we experience. Like the cable channel,we can always switch realities/experience based on what we belief in. The creator is US.

Another losser01 account.

butterfly88:
hmm...interesting....if I get you correctly bro..." our perception of the universe is only a function of our mind?

or to put it otherwise what we perceive as reality and how we visualise the universe is only a function of our consciousness...right?

Right

Commercial Science is not going to answer all questions because it doesn't explain everything. The first question I tend to ask these day is; who are the scientists we trust so much with vital information like the Origin of the Planet? Majority of key information are rendered "Classified" which means they ain't meant for the public.

If the OP is trying to push what he perceives as a fine-tuned Universe to the working of an Intelligent Designer,he may be right. But whom can this be. Everyone experiences the Universe in different,unlimited ways. A disturbed mind will have a distorted reality until a solution is found. From the Psych world the Universe is in the mind. What we think is what we experience... Every individual is an Intelligent Designer.

The Cosmos,Universe,Planet are interpretations of energy fields in our minds. So rather than trying to study the Universe from outside like science is pretending to do,we might want to do it from the inside of our minds.

Are you defending your African religion or the Jewish one?

When a group of people claim a god is responsible for everything and they give this god so much credit for the simplest things that happen. It will be fair to say the same god is responsible for rape because he designed the act or probably testing the victim's faith

The moment humans take responsibility for the good and bad things that happen to them, the better the society will be and god will die out.

Gboyee4fun:
The power of Olorun is real,

Firstly Olu-orun( warrior of the sky) is not God, it is a Yoruba word plagiarised into the bible god idea. Warrior of the sky/Olorun according to the Yorubas had daughters and sons which included obatala etc. What the western religion has done is to take over all indigenous religions, and attribute their characters to the bible god. This is why the bible god is made up of many ancient gods.

His miracles are miraculous,

How?

He is the Arugbo ojo that knows the origin of the mountains, He is the Apata ayeraye that created everything, He is Atobajaye that knows the source of waters that we can't do without.

so you are transferring what the ancient Yorubas said about Oduduwa and their various gods to a god you have never met, a Jewish idea of god,[/quote]

My God is the Olowogbogboro that saves His sons from dangers, He is the only one that revolves round the world in a blink. He is the only being that have no counterpart because He is the maker of all beings. He is the Alagbara NLA to n fi oba je and He also can dethrone any king. He is the Atobiju the greatest of all. He is neither dark in colour nor yellow nor white but full of rainbows. No one can behold him in sin, He his purer than the pure, He is the holiest of the holys.....I love Him, not because I can but because He loves me beyond what I can imagine........
https://m.facebook.com/Peteru-393760750712720/

This is slavery and self hate at best. You need to love yourself.

Basically your god is a tyrant. Suck his c**k or you get nothing. The so called "sinners" are doing far better than those you kiss the feet of the dea of the bible god

Look into the mirror, what you see is God. Learn to believe in yourself and follow your dreams and excitement to achieve what you desire.

shadeyinka:
I also hope you find Him before its too late!

I was raised a christian so I know all about the THE FAKE him.

shadeyinka:
Just imagine if there is no laws, would banks exist?
Without laws humans will become like animals..everyone doing as he pleases: that is ant is civilization.




I have not met one. I won't allow a drunk to drive me even if he is my best friend.




That's good to know!



There is only one God in the Bible and His name is Yahweh or Jehovah.




Ok

Fair enough. Maybe someday you will find out there was never a god but you experiencing yourself as a human.

shadeyinka:
Is there anything wrong in Loving your Neighbour as Yourself?
Find me a better law that humanity can live with

I love others and often help them than I help myself. I'm usually busy sorting other people's problems before remembering mine...why? Because it's a natural instinct of humans to be kind. So why do you think it has to be a law before being nice? So I say again,loving others has nothing to do with laws.

I didn't say drunk , I said drunkenness or a drunkard if you want to make it a noun

Whichever one,it doesn't matter. Some people are better off drunk trust me....but still,it shouldn't be a crime but if people get drunk,it's usually due to frustrations and they need help not judgment.

But you act like we are long lost enemies!

Trust me we ain't. I have no reason to see a fellow brother as an enemy(that includes all Christians and Muslims on this forum)

OK! I am just getting to understand your views. Like the Anunakis and co..?

That is exactly what the bible gods are. It may be hard to accept,but read the bible from Genesis again,you will see that what I'm saying is true.

OK! Your Executive Majesty!
Do you have a temple? LOL

My mind is my temple.

I guess you should createba thread to discuss your views. I actually thought that you were a Gnostic Atheist.

I don't have a definition,I am only a seeker of truth.

Black man from Africa,how is that your problem?